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Another London Arena

Not certain if it is notable, but there was a London Arena in the 1920s and 1930s, possibly later, in London, Ontario. It was home for professional ice hockey, so it could probably merit an article. Since there is already a London Arena in London, England, then, if I were to create an article about it, how should it be titled? London (Ontario) Arena, London Arena (London, Ontario), Arena (London, Ontario)? I've not finished researching it. It might have a more distinct name, but I've not found it yet. ʘ alaney2k ʘ (talk) 19:24, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

How about London Arena (Ontario) to avoid repetition? Resolute 19:34, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

It's good, just not sure about guidelines for this sort of thing. ʘ alaney2k ʘ (talk) 19:59, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

I've started a lot of articles on stadiums/arenas. I would agree with Resolute's idea as a good disambigutor, or perhaps London Arena (Canada). Just look at Tiger Stadium or Memorial Stadium for ideas. The current London Arena should stay at London Arena since it is likely more famous. Patken4 (talk) 21:06, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Proposed merge

It is my feeling: The season 2010-11 Riksserien probably does not merit his own article, and such content as is appropriate should probably be merged into the Women's ice hockey in Sweden article. I invite discussion, --Charlesquebec (talk) 12:35, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

In the reading of your comments, I remove my proposition of merger. I only wanted to improve the Wikipedia encyclopedia but the ice hockey is not my domain of specialization. Thanks and happy editing. --Charlesquebec (talk) 12:43, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

IIHF Record Book DVD

The IIHF is selling its media guide and record book on DVD now worldwide. According to the site here, it's got information on the 102 year history of the IIHF - records, rosters, medals, etc. Not a terribly expensive resource to acquire, and one that would certainly assist us in editing international hockey articles. Just something to consider for any editors out there with disposable income, which excludes me :/ Anthony (talk) 13:06, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Bah, I might have done it if they just emailed a PDF copy. The price is high enough without having to add an extra $6 for pointless shipping. Resolute 13:42, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Well ive got in book form, which was a pain, due to the four month wait it took for them to ship it from Canada to Australia, only to find it didnt have what I wanted. But yeh if anyone is searching for some information out of it just ask and ill take a look. Salavat (talk) 14:08, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

I have the book as well. Its good, but could be better. It is nice to have everything in one place, rather than having to find tournament stat pages every time. Canada Hky (talk) 14:14, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

I also went ahead and got it, to be let down a bit. Most of it is stuff easily available, I was hoping for stats for the lower division teams, which are harder to find. Kaiser matias (talk) 00:05, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Traverse City Prospects Tournament

Should we have an article on this tournament? I looked all over and it seems a rather notable event. However, I was unable to find much detailed information and stats, aside from the past few years. An article would be nice to have which at least details the games played and final standings. Jmj713 (talk) 20:44, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

I personally haven't heard of it. But I have a vague recollection of deleting something with the name Traverse City in it in the past that was a local league or a tournament or something. But I haven't looked on google for sources so I have no opinion either way. -DJSasso (talk) 21:23, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

It's a pretty well-known tournament that started in 1998 and takes place before the pre-season games. Rookies and prospects from NHL teams play under the aegis of the team they belong to (Detroit Red Wings, New York Rangers, etc.) and of course many current NHLers took part. Here's their site, and a Google search turns up plenty of NHL and NHL team articles on the past few years. Sadly, I couldn't find something to build a season-by-season table around. Jmj713 (talk) 12:47, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

If you can find non-NHL newspaper articles (in otherwords not press releases) then I would say go for it, but anything written by the teams or league itself wouldn't really be independant. But there are a number of these sort of tournaments during the summer so I am not sure how notable they are except locally to the area they are being played in. I know my hometown of Thunder Bay had one for a couple years. -DJSasso (talk) 12:56, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Template:Detroit Red Wings roster

Resolved

I can't seem to figure out why Brendan Smith's nationality flag icon is aligned to the right. Any help on this is appreciated. — Hucz ^{(talk · contribs)} 02:52, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

His line was formatted with player7 whereas the rest had player4 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.246.179.122 (talk) 05:30, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Great, thank-you. — Hucz ^{(talk · contribs)} 21:58, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Help needed

• Matt Glennon (ice hockey) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

The banning incident coverage is not accurate (Mr. Glennon describes it as "about a quarter true") and the 30-game ban did not happen, as evidence he started out on game 1 of the next season. Could someone with some historical sources please take the time to fix this up so that we can be fair to Mr. Glennon. Thanks. If you have OTRS access it's Ticket:2011042710007254. Guy (Help!) 21:42, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

I think I've fixed up the article. Maxim_(talk) 22:35, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Template:Ihw

I just recently created the article Czechoslovakia women's national ice hockey team, but when i use the template {{ihw|TCH}} it links to Czechoslovakia national ice hockey team (I just made this a redirect when I moved the men's page), does anyone know if this is something thats coded into the template or is this simply a purge issue which will right itself soon? Salavat (talk) 10:57, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of defunct and relocated National Hockey League teams/archive1

Please feel free to review the FLC for List of defunct and relocated National Hockey League teams. Thanks! --K.Annoyomous (talk) 20:29, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Zach Parise

An editor has raised the issue of whether Parise's name should have an accent on the "e". I haven't come across any sources using this spelling, but if anyone can way in on the issue one way or the other, I'd appreciate it. Canada Hky (talk) 01:49, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

I would add that after reading the discussion on the Parise page I agree with Canada Hky (talk). I think that there are a lot of assumptions about what Zach's legal name truly is. Since he was born in the United States it is likely his legal name contains no diacritics. Typically American names have no accent since they are not used in American English, Zach's birth certificate likely has no accent on the "e" meaning his legal name has no diacritic. This is a common thing in the US as people with names like Rodríguez are written as Rodriguez, so from that stand point a reliable source stating that he spells his name with the diacritics is needed.--Mo Rock...Monstrous (leech44) 02:06, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

I would also add that this is the English Wikipedia, and according to the policy of WP:COMMONNAME and Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English), it is not the person's "legal name" which decides the article's title. We are to use the name that is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources. This includes usage in the sources used as references for the article. Dolovis (talk) 20:23, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

It must be world championship season

The annual incidence of nationalistic edits to List of IIHF World Championship medalists have picked up as of late, and this year's nationalism is Slovakian. More eyes would be most appreciated. Thanks, Resolute 19:44, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Mike Brown

The last two guys on this list:

• Mike Brown (ice hockey b. 1979), played for Chicago Blackhawks, Vancouver Canucks and Anaheim Ducks, 1999–2006
• Mike Brown (ice hockey b. March 1985), American ice hockey goaltender
• Mike Brown (ice hockey b. June 1985), American ice hockey forward for the Toronto Maple Leafs

were previously disambiguated by "ice hockey goaltender" and "ice hockey forward". I'm a pretty huge Leafs fan, and I would have a pretty hard time telling you which Mike Brown played for the Leafs. The consistency with them all being by date looks nice when they are all lined up, but as far as finding the correct Mr. Brown, its very tricky. I think position is a better disambiguator than month of birth, but figured I would check out other opinions on the matter. I'd say position / year of birth is a better combination than birth month as well. Canada Hky (talk) 19:48, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Multiple disambigs of this nature are always ugly. This is a case where context is important. In all articles, the name will hopefully be properly disambiguated, but on the main Mike Brown dab page, I would probably add the position and teams each played for. The only problem with changing the descriptor is that it would create yet another formula for what we use to dab, and that just becomes increasingly confusing. We got around the Steve Smith problem by changing one to James Stephen Smith. If we know the middle names of these two Mike Browns, we could possibly go to full names. Otherwise, I would personally rather leave the dabs as is. Resolute 19:55, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

What is a hockey mom to expect when she names her kid "Mike Brown". Sheesh! I agree that it is not pretty, but the dabs are accurate. Mike Brown (ice hockey b. 1979) is a forward, as is Mike Brown (ice hockey b. June 1985), and there is another Mike Brown (forward) on the way up, so using “forward” to disambiguate is not a good choice. The standard practice is to disambiguate by year of birth (not by position), and then by month if necessary. Further clarification should be at Mike Brown (disambiguation). Dolovis (talk) 20:13, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

That isn't completely true, we actually in the past have rejected the idea of using months. We use year then middle name then position. If we are still stuck after that then we look at other methods. As for the issue with forward being a problem because another forward is coming. One is a left wing and one is a right wing. So when/if the new one gets an article its still easy to disambiguate with position as they play two different forward positions. -DJSasso (talk) 20:26, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

A goalie and a skater may be easy to disambiguate, but a left wing and a right wing? Come on. That is getting ridiculous, especially the way most coaches will play their forwards in multiple positions. Dolovis (talk) 20:41, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

No harder than a user trying to figure out the exact birth month a player is born in. If anything a reader is going to know their main position way before they know the month a person was born in. Yes forwards may play a few games here and there in different forward positions. But they almost always have a main position. Unfortunately I don't think the NHL tracks exact number of games at a position like baseball does in MLB. The baseball project chooses the position by a certain percent of games played at a position. But I forget off the top of my head what that number is. -DJSasso (talk) 20:44, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

I would definitely agree that right vs. left wing is more likely to be known than a birth month. I think a secondary term is needed, I just think position is better than month of birth. It would allow all three to be consistent, as well. I don't think the fourth Mike Brown will be much of an issue, he played eight games as an overager this year and didn't get picked up after being released in October, but that's really neither here nor there. Basically, I'd be proposing the following names:

• Mike Brown (ice hockey forward b. 1979), played for Chicago Blackhawks, Vancouver Canucks and Anaheim Ducks, 1999–2006
• Mike Brown (ice hockey goaltender b. 1985), American ice hockey goaltender
• Mike Brown (ice hockey forward b. 1985), American ice hockey forward for the Toronto Maple Leafs

With three Mike Browns, and two further (non-overlapping) points of commonality between two of them (birth year and position), it seems logical to me to use the two points of commonality as the two disambiguators. Canada Hky (talk) 20:54, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

To note, this was previously disused. Consensus seemed to be to leave the similar birth year players as position diambigs. – Nurmsook! ^talk... 21:04, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

To add to this, the Mike Brown that is coming up would simply be diambiguated as "Mike Brown (ice hockey b. 1990)". The reason we have a problem with this in the first place is the fact that we have two Mike Brown's born in the same year. The other Mike Brown's really are irrelevant to this discussion. – Nurmsook! ^talk... 21:07, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Leave them all with (ice hockey b. 19--). Readers will look for Mike Brown & there, they can figure out which Brown (as each one's team can be listed). GoodDay (talk) 21:18, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

There's two 1985s, so birth year on its own doesn't work. Also, given that guys named Mike Brown tend to be journeymen, keeping teams updated on the disambiguation page is another bit of book keeping that could fall by the wayside. Canada Hky (talk) 21:21, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Help Identifing Photos

Could some one check out this image and help determine if this is Derek Boogaard? With his untimely passing it might be one of the only free images available of him.

While we're at it does anyone confirm that the person or the right in this photo is Artūrs Irbe? Thanks for the help.--Mo Rock...Monstrous (leech44) 05:18, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

You are right about the second picture - it is Artūrs Irbe. Utinsh (talk) 09:34, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Template:Major Leagues

Addition of 3 most important and professionnal for women:

• Canadian Women's Hockey League
• Women's National Basketball Association
• Women's Professional Soccer

but one person ( Oknazevad ) remove Canadian Women Hockey League. I invite discussion for addition of the Canadian Women's Hockey League (CWHL) in the template Major League. The CWHL is the major women's ice hockey leagues in Canada. I invite discussion --Charlesquebec (talk) 10:44, 14 May 2011 (UTC)