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Please provide a link to Wikipedia's policy on sexuality requiring a directly statement of a particular word for someone living (in this case, polyamory), rather than a statement that essential says the same thing (this is with regards to Tilda Swinton and Warren Buffet interview references). The above links do not clarify or support your assertions. [[User:Cooltobekind|Cooltobekind]] ([[User talk:Cooltobekind|talk]]) 05:42, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
Please provide a link to Wikipedia's policy on sexuality requiring a directly statement of a particular word for someone living (in this case, polyamory), rather than a statement that essential says the same thing (this is with regards to Tilda Swinton and Warren Buffet interview references). The above links do not clarify or support your assertions. [[User:Cooltobekind|Cooltobekind]] ([[User talk:Cooltobekind|talk]]) 05:42, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Never mind. I found it, but it is does not answer my question regarding how specific a self-assertion must be (relating to a specific term, rather that a statement that essentially says the same thing). I ask for respect here, as minority sexualities have historically been discriminated against and their histories hidden. The term polyamory is fairly new and used to describe a wide range of consenting relationships amongst multiple people, that historically have fallen under other (and false) descriptions, such as affairs. The policy references homosexuality and 'closeted gays' - but nothing with regards to polyamory. Someone like Warren Buffet and Tilda Swinton are clearly not hiding their relationships and their activities. How can I get this clarified, or if no clarification exists, get this dispute resolved?

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Shouldn't Hugh Hefner be on this list? He's one of the first people I think of when this word/subject come up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.211.71.137 (talk) 18:56, 13 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Penn from Penn and Teller needs to be added.

Is anyone able to find any public citation for David Bowie? AMProSoft 05:00, 26 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

His ex Angie talks about their open marriage here and from this Amazon listing it looks as if she's said as much in print. Whether he's poly now, thirty years down the track, is another question - but it would probably make more sense to base this list on "ever poly" rather than require "always poly" or "now poly". --Calair 10:14, 26 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ayn Rand and Nathaniel Branden should be added in light of the extensive timeline of their relationship and the simultaneous marriages they managed to keep up. -Dione

Citations?

None of these are cited. Just because Amelia Earhart didn't say that she would require her husband to remain faithful to her doesn't necessarily mean she was polyamorous. How, for instance, was Percy Bysshe Shelley polyamorous? It's not common knowledge and his Wikipedia article says nothing of the sort. The whole thing needs to be cited.---Gloriamarie 05:45, 13 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

FWIW, a lot of the citation discussion is over at Talk:Polyamory#Listing_people and the archive listed there; this article was split off from that page. My preference would be to convert the whole thing to a category and shift the onus for citation back onto individual people's pages. --Calair 06:44, 13 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I thought this might work better as a category also. But, as I noticed there were several persons on the list who haven't any wikipedia article (and nonetheless may be regarded as famous), I decided to make a list rather than a category. A category would be much easier to manage and more rigorously critiqued. AMProSoft 13:17, 13 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Looks like Category:Polyamory already exists, so I'll just add some comments to the category description and add the relevant articles to that. If people don't have articles of their own yet, that can be resolved by (somebody other than me ;-) writing them. --Calair 14:43, 13 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I've gone through all the people listed on this page. Added the following, because the existing article already explained the poly connection: Natalie Barney, Simone de Beauvoir, Jean-Paul Sartre, Paxus Calta, Amelia Earhart, Robert A. Heinlein, Patricia Ireland, Alfred Kinsey, William Marston, Elizabeth Marston, E. Nesbit, Vita Sackville-West, Harold Nicolson, Bloomsbury Group, Nan Wise. (Morning Glory Zell-Ravenheart and Oberon Zell-Ravenheart were already listed.) In Heinlein's case, the article doesn't discuss the poly elements of his personal life, but his fiction alone should be sufficient grounds for including.

I did *not* add the following, because IMHO their articles didn't contain enough to justify categorisation: Olga Kosakiewicz, David Bowie, Warren Buffett, Dora Carrington, Robert Crumb, Aline Kominsky, Penn Jillette, Augustus John, Anais Nin, Eric S. Raymond, Erwin Schrödinger, Percy Shelley, Lytton Strachey, Edna St. Vincent Millay, Karlheinz Stockhausen, David Rovics, Victoria Woodhull.

Quite a few of these should eventually end up in Category:Polyamory, because adequate cites have already been provided here or on Talk:Polyamory, but that information needs to be worked into the individual articles first; I don't have the time or knowledge to take that on. Several of them documented multiple partners but didn't make it clear whether everybody involved was amenable to this. Re. Victoria Woodhull, note that 'free love' in her era didn't necessarily mean multiple partners; it could mean merely the freedom to divorce and remarry. I think her listing here is a mistake so I've removed it.

People who don't have their own English-language Wikipedia article, so couldn't be categorised: CT Butler, Olive Byrne, Kevin C Mason, Robyn Trask, Vincent M. Wales, Dieter Wedel. --Calair 16:31, 13 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Citations are mandatory

I've removed all unsourced people from the list and, per WP:RS and WP:BLP, we should not add anything without a citation. --Damiens.rf 18:13, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Warren Buffet was only separated, not in a relationship with both women. He didn't marry his second wife until his first died. His first wife, Susan, left the family home in Omaha in the late 1970’s, after raising the couple’s three children, and moved to San Francisco. He married again in 2006. Dave

Per WP:BLPCAT, we should not include living people unless we have a citation to self-identification as a polyamorist. That is, we cannot base inclusion in this list on observation or third-party charaterization, but only the subject's own identification. Yworo (talk) 23:10, 27 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

List of people and citations in German article

In the German article, here:

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyamory#Bekannte_in_einvernehmlichen_mehrfachen_Beziehungen_lebende_Personen

is a list of many Persons who practiced open relationships, the mayority cited with some source. --82.113.121.16 (talk) 15:52, 9 October 2008 (UTC) (Joise)[reply]

I took a look at the German list. The vast majority seem legitimate. Some however, like Bertrand Russell are debatable (as he own tried non-monogamy briefly after his wife had a child from another man). Also, Etty Hillesum + Edith Nesbit , Hubert Bland , and George Bernard Shaw + Arnold Zweig , writer and Beatrice Branch + (still going over the list) Cooltobekind (talk) 06:43, 23 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Merge article into People in open marriages/open relationships

Why not just move or merge this article into the article titled "People in open relationships" or the "People in open marriages" article? They're the exact same thing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.185.247.198 (talk) 06:55, 29 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]


They are not the same thing. Polyamory is a broader term that describes both polyfidelity and open relationships. Cooltobekind (talk) 06:26, 13 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

People on the list

I am not sure if: Alexander Thynn, 7th Marquess of Bath, British Lord [1] should be on the list. I have found conflicting sources, some labelling it as an affair, and some as poly. At this point, I am leaning towards removing it. Cooltobekind (talk) 06:46, 23 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The following individuals were removed from the list because of inadequate sources. If you come across any sources that could possibly support their inclusion, please post them here.


Actually, keeping living people on a list on the talk page is also not permitted under WP:BLP. Yworo (talk) 05:40, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Update to criteria section

I've updated the criteria section because it appeared to condone the use of original research by examining a subject's relationships rather than what WIkipedia's verifiability policy actually requires, which is a citation to a reliable source that explicitly identifies the subject as "polyamorous". Further, living people should not be in this list based on anything other than self-identification as required by WP:BLPCAT. The criteria have been modified so as to make these requirements clear. Yworo (talk) 00:02, 28 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Please provide a link to Wikipedia's policy on sexuality requiring a directly statement of a particular word for someone living (in this case, polyamory), rather than a statement that essential says the same thing (this is with regards to Tilda Swinton and Warren Buffet interview references). The above links do not clarify or support your assertions. Cooltobekind (talk) 05:42, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Never mind. I found it, but it is does not answer my question regarding how specific a self-assertion must be (relating to a specific term, rather that a statement that essentially says the same thing). I ask for respect here, as minority sexualities have historically been discriminated against and their histories hidden. The term polyamory is fairly new and used to describe a wide range of consenting relationships amongst multiple people, that historically have fallen under other (and false) descriptions, such as affairs. The policy references homosexuality and 'closeted gays' - but nothing with regards to polyamory. Someone like Warren Buffet and Tilda Swinton are clearly not hiding their relationships and their activities. How can I get this clarified, or if no clarification exists, get this dispute resolved?

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