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Ladder progression tables

If someone would check the table for 2004 that I've built on my page user:blackjack4124 for errors, I'd be obliged. By all means, when someone has, push it live into that year's article if it's notable enough (and based off future seasons, it would want to be.)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ron Ainsworth

Might want to have a look at this if you missed it....

State of Origin miscellaneous stats

I recall a section which I thought was on this page which listed some statistics such as fastest origin try and the lists of fathers & sons who played Rugby League State of Origin. Does anyone recall this or know where those lists may have gone ? -Sticks66

Nicknames in Infoboxes

Anyone have views on their inclusion/exclusion? Share here. Mattlore (talk) 04:35, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK

"... that South Africa were coached by former New Zealand international Paul Matete at the 2000 Rugby League World Cup?" is on the main page at the moment. We should try and get some more there as a project. Mattlore (talk) 08:08, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Well done. One does have to be creative sometimes about a topic. How about cannonball tackle? Or List of Australian football codes by social media? WTF that's a bluelink? :) --Mkativerata (talk) 09:31, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Well done on the DYK!

The social media article is a terrible idea for a page. It'll never be kept up to date. LunarLander // talk // 00:18, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

If articles like that make it past WP:N then I'll just give up and leave now... Congratulations on the DYK success! I remember SA sadly getting thrashed three times as well though. Expansionism worked just as well then as it does now it seems. GW(talk) 00:25, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Deletion nomination

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dylan Collier‎ - Another mass nomination of players who fail the RL Notability guidelines. Mattlore (talk) 06:54, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Flags in Club Squad boxes

Seeing as it is silly season again, based on MOS:FLAGS and this prior conversation, I propose we get rid of flags in all club squad infoboxes. Mattlore (talk) 19:46, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

I agree. Many of the flags I've seen are based on very dubious national connections. I don't think the flags are relevant to the article. --Mkativerata (talk) 20:04, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Also agreed. They add little, and are often misleading.Doctorhawkes (talk) 02:23, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

I don't see how they add little. They inform a reader of what nationality the player is, if they are looking for what countries the player descends from they can just go into their page & have a look. Just like a guy suggested a while ago, I like the idea of a player's flag being the country that they currently represent. Josh the newcastle fan (talk) 08:28, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

How is it relevent to the club what country their staff "represent"? Does it matter that Leeds are managed by an Englishman and not an Aussie? Not really. GW(talk) 17:57, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Well thats the thing, staff at a club aren't working for anyone other than themselves. Due to League's current rules most players are eligible for several nations. I think the manual of style is pretty clear cut.

• "Appropriate use: Flag icons may be relevant in some subject areas, where the subject actually represents that country, government, or nationality" - which is not the case here as we are talking about club players.
• "Avoid flag icons in infoboxes: Generally, flag icons should not be used in infoboxes, even when there is a "country", "nationality" or equivalent field: they are unnecessarily distracting and give undue prominence to one field among many."
• "Inappropriate use - Do not emphasize nationality without good reason"
• "Inappropriate use - Do not use flags to indicate locations of birth, residence, or death" - so no flag if they haven't represented a country?
• "Clarity - If the use of flags in a list, table or infobox makes it unclear, ambiguous or controversial, it is better to remove the flags even if that makes the list, table or infobox inconsistent with others of the same type where no problems have arisen." - clarity problems due to players representing more than one country and being eligible for several?

I think they all point to removing the flags as the best solution. Mattlore (talk) 19:24, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

I say get rid of them BUT if they are kept I think they should be used for country of origin/birth place. CheersCanberraBulldog (talk) 03:37, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Why? If the flags are meant to be used to represent sporting nationality, why should someone like Karmichael Hunt be displayed as New Zealand when he's played eleven times for the Kangaroos? This grey area about defining a sportsman's nationality is exactly the problem. GW(talk) 12:45, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

What is your solution then? Have flags that represent nationality or country they have played for or no flag? If we stick with falgs, what will they represent? CheersCanberraBulldog (talk) 13:08, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Matt's given the solution. I'm not sure what the dispute is, such that we have to make contingency plans in case they might stay. There's no reason for national flags to be in sports articles in general, but especially not infoboxes for the reasons given above. They should never have been placed there, and shouldn't continue to be there. GW(talk) 17:50, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

I agree, as stated before BUT I gave my answer IF it was voted for them to stay. Again, I agree with the flags being removed! CheersCanberraBulldog (talk) 00:47, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

I've never liked them. Happy to see them go.  florrie  06:28, 26 January 2012 (UTC)