January 31, 2012 (2012-01-31) (Tuesday)
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Fred Goodwin loses his knighthood.
Nominator's comments: Very significant for somebody to have a knighthood rescinded. There has been huge political pressure for this to happen from all sides. --109.145.117.119 (talk) 17:32, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Support (as nominator) - This is a big story in the UK and brings an end to years of calls for him to lose it. The Prime Minister and Leader of the Opposition have all been involved and it's been the lead story on news bulletins all over the country. Noteworthy because of how rare it is and because it's due to the part he played in the downturn we're all living through. --109.145.117.119 (talk) 17:47, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - Significant as this one was not withdrawn for criminal activity, which Lester Piggott's OBE was. Mjroots (talk) 18:03, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose - local story, not interesting or significant for anyone outside the UK.--BabbaQ (talk) 18:07, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - I find this a fascinating story that is likely to be of interest to a wide readership. Highly ITN-worthy, in my view. By the way, I am an American citizen, since that seems to be an issue here. Personally, I don't think it should be. Cheers! Jusdafax 18:14, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - There's no doubt that this is significant. It's comparable to one having a Congressional Medal of Honor revoked.--WaltCip (talk) 18:27, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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January 30, 2012 (2012-01-30) (Monday)
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--Jayron32 00:36, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Major case in Canada regarding so-called "Honor killings". Been all over the news today. The article is OK, and I know the update is a bit short, but hoping that attention here at ITN/C could encourage a bigger update regarding the conviction and reactions to it. I'm a bit short on time at the minute, but hope to get on this as well in the near future. Given the coverage in the news, this seems to be a newsworthy event, so I think that if we can add a paragraph or so of text on the conviction, it would be ITN worthy. Besides, its been a bit slow, and an update once in a while is nice. --Jayron32 00:36, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - Just so you know thats something normal in the arab/islamic countries and arab/islamic families arround the world.
– HonorTheKing (talk) 13:28, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - The case established that murder is illegal in Canada. That doesn't seem particularly newsworthy to me, regardless of what some extremists may believe. I'm leaning towards oppose.--WaltCip (talk) 15:52, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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January 29, 2012 (2012-01-29) (Sunday)
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Nominator's comments: European Championship in the Olympic sport, also related to the spots at the 2012 Olympic Games in London. --Avala (talk) 23:13, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Support since it's Olympic sport with growing popularity everywhere.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 23:49, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Leaning toward oppose. Although these are international level championships that lead to the Olympics, they are not at the highest international level (like the Olympics or 2011 FINA Men's Water Polo World League). SpencerT♦C 03:41, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong oppose. Hardly any text in the article. As far as I know, water polo is a minor sport, almost insignificant as a spectator sport, along the lines of rythmic gymnastics or, well, I was going to say team handball but it looks like that's another story. The fact that a sport is in the Olympics doesn't make its regional championship a major news event. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 04:29, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose Per Mwalcoff.--Johnsemlak (talk) 09:55, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose Despite being a Olympic sport, it is almost a minority sport with no wide media coverage outside of the Olympics like handball. Donnie Park (talk) 14:31, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Question is a notion that it is a "minor sport" an objective or a subjective view? Because it is an Olympic sport. So this can only be seen as POV pushing. What differentiates handball from waterpolo? Objectively nothing. Most of the people from Europe may see baseball as something relevant along the lines of rhythmic gymnastics yet we will include it in the ITN as the POV is not what we are here for.--Avala (talk) 16:17, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- According to the page, the gold medal game was attended by 2300 people, a pretty strong and objective indication that the sport is minor. Even the most sparsely attended regular-season Major League Baseball game will have a paid attendance almost five times that. Fourteen countries broadcast games from the tournament and ten broadcast the final--or, less than half of the countries than are showing this year's Super Bowl. Whether Europeans "see" baseball or American football as something akin to rhythmic gymnastics or waterpolo, objective facts are that they are not. PeteF3 (talk) 16:48, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- It's completely inappropriate to compare a sports game played indoors with one played outdoors. Attendance of 2,300 spectators for a swim stadium with capacity of 3,000 makes it more than 75%. Five times that makes it 12,000 which is barely 25% of the average capacity for a baseball stadium.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 17:43, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- I didn't bring up any comparison to baseball, just expanded on it. If there are no swim stadiums with a capacity over 3,000, well...see the first point. Evidently the demand just isn't high enough to justify it. Hockey and basketball are played indoors and most top-level teams would go under at the first game with a 2300-3000 attendance. The comparison was also between a gold medal game and a regular-season baseball game--no stadium in the U.S. would fail to sell out a World Series game. PeteF3 (talk) 18:11, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- What is the point of mentioning 2300 attendance if that is the maximum of the venue? It's not comparable with football, or at least you then need to say, it's like 75000 people attending football final which all out of a sudden is no longer sounding so bad. And what do you think is the attendance of other sports with limited venues? How many people attend Formula 1 or ski jumping? However here is another number which I would like to hear a comment on - 2.749.000 people watched the game in Serbia alone, and that is not counting cable channels which also had it on, just the RTS station - [1]. That's about the third of a population, pretty much the same percentage as the Super Bowl in the US. How is that for irrelevant?--Avala (talk) 18:27, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's comments: Handball is sport that receives growing attention in the countries where it was not previously played. It was reported that coach of the Great Britain Olympic team will attend the final accompained with other members of the OC for the Olympic event. --Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 15:28, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: There should be a prose summary of the final match in the article. SpencerT♦C 22:21, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Support, and further explanation: This is an Olympic sport (has been since 1972) and a truly international one. It's NOT the game known commonly as Handball in the USA, Ireland and Australia. (A look at the Handball disambiguation page will help interested readers.) The relevant Wikipedia article for this sport is Team handball. If you've never heard of it, here's your big chance to broaden your knowledge! HiLo48 (talk) 22:34, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - Olympic sport.--Avala (talk) 23:14, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I've updated the section about the final adding some prose.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 00:49, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Posting Consensus seems clear, update is sufficient, and timer running out. SpencerT♦C 03:30, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- How does consensu\is "seem clear" with 2 supports when its not a minority topic and the article needs updating???!Lihaas (talk) 23:35, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Consensus was 100% clear because nobody had opposed the nomination at that time. Updating the article was needed, but has nothing to do with consensus. HiLo48 (talk) 00:24, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose pending some kind of proof that this is a "big deal." When I lived in Europe, it seemed team handball was a game played in front of sparse crowds with limited media coverage. Will reconsider if someone can demonstrate to me that this is a major event that a lot of readers care about. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 04:26, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - if the attendance of 100% of seats in a 25000 arena is a sparse crowd what is then good attendance for you? Selling two tickets per seat? That is illegal and against safety regulations. There is your proof.--Avala (talk) 16:19, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose. One what basis was consensus 'clear'? THe article has almost no prose except the final match. Has receieved minimal media coverage in English. The sport has very limited popularity outside a small portion of the world. We already have the World Championship for this sport; the European championship is of no interest to readers outside continental Europe. This is sports cruft.--Johnsemlak (talk) 05:28, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- "On what basis was consensus clear?" Ummm. No opposition at the time. "Has receieved minimal media coverage in English." Hmmm. Those evil foreigners who don't speak Godzone! Is that really one of our criteria? "limited popularity" The final filled what is described as "one of the largest indoor arenas in the world". What more can it do? "small portion of the world" I don't really want to reopen old wounds, but Joe Paterno? "We already have the World Championship...the European championship is of no interest to readers outside continental Europe" The same could probably be said about the world championship anyway, but so what? I could say Joe Paterno again. HiLo48 (talk) 05:49, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Lack of English media coverage matters for sourcing. The current article lacks any media sources in English. It's entirely reliant on one German article and the official tournament website for references
- Not sure what bringing up JoPa does except open old wounds, but both recent college football nominations recently were not posted.--Johnsemlak (talk) 09:50, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- OK. Replace Joe with American Football. One small area of the world. No world championship to even compare anything with. Look, these objections are exactly the kind of thing that discourages people nominating items here. We need MORE items. And you guys come up with not very serious objections. I can't figure it. Why do you do it, really? HiLo48 (talk) 09:58, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Couldn't care less about handball, but for those saying that this final hasn't been covered by English sources, see Reuters, ESPN, AFP, Al Jazeera (video). Jenks24 (talk) 10:16, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
--Lihaas (talk) 03:32, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment We already have nomination about this event. Men's final can be discussed in the same nomination. I suggest to close this one, just to provide more comprehension on the page.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:38, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- comment Propose to add in a "record breaking" final and also to mention the 100th anniversary of the event.
- man, 2/3 Serbian finals victories today ;)Lihaas (talk) 00:25, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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January 28, 2012 (2012-01-28) (Saturday)
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- At least 20 people are killed in a fire at a drug rehabilitation centre in Lima. (BBC)
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--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 19:34, 28 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment It would be nice if we could speedily post this given how slow ITN has been of late but there's nothing there we can call an update: simply filling in the blanks giving the result isn't enough. The separate article on the women's singles specifically doesn't seem a whole lot better. Crispmuncher (talk) 20:15, 28 January 2012 (UTC).[reply]
- rcomment take our becomes world number 1, we can add that prose on the page.Lihaas (talk) 21:28, 28 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- better link?Lihaas (talk) 02:59, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- I would be inclined to think that mentioning that the men's final (now finished) was the longest ever grand slam final as per here would be better in the blurb than a new women's number one given how many times that ranking has changed hands in the last decade. Davewild (talk) 15:50, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Agreed, and propose: "In tennis, the 100th anniversary of the men's tournament results in a record-setting Novak Djokovic win and Victoria Azarenka wins the women's 2012 Australian Open." Lil cumbersome but something similarv.Lihaas (talk) 00:33, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Posting. There's enough prose regarding the both finals. And we can add some new photos. --Tone 13:34, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Protests in Senegal
Nominate. --bender235 (talk) 19:26, 28 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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- NOT just 1 day...its ongoing. ditto Congo DR, but thats smaller. Senegal is certainly in the news.Lihaas (talk) 02:57, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Lihaas is right, it's not just one day of protest. --bender235 (talk) 12:50, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
[Ready] Arab League suspends Syria mission
--Found5dollar (talk) 15:25, 28 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- support - for posting asap.--BabbaQ (talk) 17:29, 28 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. --bender235 (talk) 18:45, 28 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: The whole article could use some expansion, especially the timeline section (Arab_League_Monitors_in_Syria#Timeline). SpencerT♦C 19:43, 28 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Support What is going on in Syria is on every major news outlet yet we havent posted anything about it since god knows when. -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 23:12, 28 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - Failure of the Arab League mission is big news, as noted, and has wide implications for the near and long term prospects for peace in the country and region. Agree, however, that the article needs work. Jusdafax 20:56, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Didn't think this article would even be considered for posting when I started it like a day ago. Definitely a stub, flags are placed in the wrong area and formatting needs fixing. I don't have time to edit ATM but can make changes later in the week. WikifanBe nice 04:59, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Update/Support I added a brief new section describing the suspension. That's really the only big news. Media and UN made a ton of noise about the Arab League monitors and the pull-out is definitely ITN worthy. I think the article meets the threshold requirements, but I think the timeline could be merged into a "background/history" section. I understand an editor took down the "ready" tag because of my statements. I started the article but obviously it is not my possession. The article has been updated dramatically compared to the first edit. No need to make those kinds of changes because of my opinion. WikifanBe nice 02:28, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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