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If your family wasn't here in Missouri at that time in the woods, I woudn't come here talkin' like that people. Just do a little more reading as Socatese would, and maybe you'll have differnet look[[User:Mensatop2|Mensatop2]] ([[User talk:Mensatop2|talk]]) 04:16, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
If your family wasn't here in Missouri at that time in the woods, I woudn't come here talkin' like that people. Just do a little more reading as Socatese would, and maybe you'll have differnet look[[User:Mensatop2|Mensatop2]] ([[User talk:Mensatop2|talk]]) 04:16, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Okay you have to also remember that the North was suppressing the South after the war,thus they were attacking only Northern banks and railroads and only those against those who were suppressing Southerners and many Southerners were starving. By the way this is Craig Walters and my mother's mother was Mary Jane Cole,and Zerelda was my grandmother's great Auntie so Jesse and Frank are my great uncles and the Youngers are my cousins. I am sick of hearing things about my great uncles that they were murderers and how about all those Northerners who murdered and hung Southerners after the war was after and many others died of starvation..the Northerners are the ones that did atrocities and it is always the winners of wars or battles that get the first and last say what is right or wrong!Jesse and Frank did atrocities against those already doing them against Southerners and it was payback for all the Northerners did..maybe not correct as TWO WRONGS DO NOT MAKE A RIGHT,but it was how it was and read your history and your see a second Civil War happen after the original one in Mississippi,Missouri and
parts of the South from 1865-1872.There is a great book called REDEMPTION:THE LAST BATTLE OF THE CIVIL WAR by NICHOLAS LEMANN and it about this second Civil War or battles that took place..maybe an good explanation is an extension of the war! This book explains the continual atrocities done by Northerners to Southerrn folk and Please Read IT! C.M. WALTERS


== Edit request on 4 December 2011 ==
== Edit request on 4 December 2011 ==

Revision as of 22:18, 24 March 2012

Age of Death

Can somebody who knows math correct his age of death from 34 to 35, (1882 - 1847 = 35). Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.107.255.110 (talk) 10:42, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply] 

  April 3, 1882 - September 5, 1847 = 34 years, 6 months, 28 days, or thereabouts, I make it.

Oojamaflip2 (talk) 13:58, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The way you wrote that is confusing. I thought it was wrong at first. But you're correct. He hadn't reached his 35th birthday when he died. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.69.100.113 (talk) 02:52, 28 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ancestry

WELSH ANCESTRY? The Surname James is not of Welsh it is English origin. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.184.225.157 (talk) 19:04, 30 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Another problem: apparent contradiction between this from the "Museums" subsection: "The Jesse James Tavern is in his father's birthplace in Asdee, County Kerry, Ireland, from where his father immigrated to the US in the 1840s as a young man.[66]"

and this from Robert S. James' own article: "Robert Sallee James was born in Logan County, Kentucky. He was the son of John M. James and Mary G. Poor James. His ancestor John James came to America from Pembrokeshire, Wales in the mid 1600s."

Can anyone sort this out? Oojamaflip2 (talk) 13:32, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Someone needs to find this book: [1] Dougweller (talk) 12:56, 7 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

According to Genealogy.com James is an English name and his ancestor "William4 James was born in England 1754. William died 1805 in Goochland, Virginia, USA, at 51 years of age" Not only was he not Welsh, he was definitely not Irish either-referring to the Museums subsection.97.87.140.69 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 07:56, 15 February 2011 (UTC).[reply]

Glendale robbery, copying comments from article to here

I've removed the following commentary from the article: "(i'm not sure why this has changed from Independence, MO to St. Louis County. http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~24476~900020:Chicago-&-Alton-Railroad---No-chang shows a map with a listing of the depots along the Chicago-Alton Railroad. The article in reference 41 also states that the robery occured not more than 12 miles from Kansas City. The area known as Glendale then was later changed to Selsa. http://www.chicagoalton1879depot.org/history.html.) (here is a book reference about Glendale http://books.google.com/books?id=ntxuxXN7JJYC&pg=PA83&lpg=PA83&dq=jesse+james+glendale+station&source=bl&ots=jZaILjjs15&sig=JGNyHQp_HyXyYExsgFo0HE_RnUY&hl=en&ei=Ot8GTbGvIdGLnQfHxpnlDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CB4Q6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=jesse%20james%20glendale%20station&f=false) (to go even further, here http://www.glendalemo.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=10&Itemid=8 is a history of the Glendale, MO near St. Louis where it states this city was named after a station on the Missouri Pacific Railroad) "

Anyone want to use this in the article in some fashion? The Historical Atlas book can probably be used. Dougweller (talk) 07:41, 14 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Why is he a national hero?

Could any American please explain to me why a murderer who killed innocent and unarmed people is celebrated as a national hero in the U.S.? That's like celebrating the Zodiac killer or Ted Bundy. The article unfortunately doesn't pick this topic up. -- Orthographicus (talk) 11:57, 5 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It is probably hard for someone who isn't American to understand the impact the Civil War had and still has on the U.S. culture. Depending on which side your sympathies lie, someone may be considered either a hero or a villain. Wschart (talk) 19:11, 7 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Per Rose M. Nolen's book "Hoecakes, Hambone, and All That Jazz; African American Traditions in Missouri", (pg 68) Jesse James donated money for the establishment of the black educational institution , Lincoln Institute. Today this institution is called Lincoln University, located in Jefferson City, Missouri. I find this an odd thing for a man who was depicted as a 'racist'. This act would not make Jesse James a national hero, but as an African American, I appreciate his effort. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.237.91.221 (talk) 07:44, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I marvel at it too, but also at movies that glorify big heists. Some like him because he was 1> a Confederate 2> a rebel 3> a Robin Hood figure (probably false), or because 4> they hate banks 5> root for the little guy 6> think he had reformed 7> was killed in perhaps less than an honorable way (apparently the murderer of JJ's killer was let free and pardoned after 10 yrs by the governor after receiving petitions to do so) 8>"larger than life" --JimWae (talk) 08:28, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]


He was a man of respect towards his beliefs. the war still lived in him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.53.195.203 (talk) 03:54, 6 November 2011 (UTC)[reply] 

whoever wins wars gets to write the history books. Jesse James was a hero. he fought honorably and when the war was over he went home to nothing but people chasing him for nothing more than being on the side of a tragic war that did not win. only for being on the Confederate side was he and his family persecuted. his brother Frank wanted to be a school teacher, and no one would be able to chase their dreams. they were forced to rob out of necessity. survival is the motivation, but then the glamour probably set in afterwards like a rock star that starts out just wanting to make music but then gets a taste of the big life. Though they did not spend the money on travelling the world and living in a ritzy home. These were simple living folks that wanted nothing more than to live and let live, and like anyone else defended their right to do so. Pinkerton detectives would throw bombs in their home though they weren't there and on one occasion their mother was in the home and did not come out for fear of being shot. so Pinkerton detectives threw the bomb in the house and their mother lost her leg. i dont know about anyone else but if someone cause my mother to loose a limb i would hunt them down no matter where they tried to hide. here is a link to his page on find a grave. http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=539 unfortunately people misused the add virtual flowers feature and so it was turned off by the site admins.

added by John Hussain — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.182.17.8 (talk) 02:50, 30 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

People of many countries adopt criminals/outlaws as folk heroes, which James was. For those who mistakenly believed he was robbing on their behalf, they thought he was a Robin Hood. Others thought he continued to represent the Confederate guerrillas, but it looks mostly as if he robbed for himself and his gang. Folk heroes exist outside of facts.Parkwells (talk) 12:49, 30 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Death Date

It appears that the date of Jesse James' death is inaccurate (it says 1951 but I believe is was 1882.) I don't see how to edit this so I'm hoping that by mentioning it here someone can fix it.

Duncanad (talk) 01:46, 17 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I fixed it. I don't know how they got that wrong. HotshotCleaner (talk) 02:00, 17 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
it looks like Jdeer123 changed it. Maybe he can explain why. HotshotCleaner (talk) 02:03, 17 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think that Jesse James' son, also named Jesse James, died in 1951. So maybe that is why... Duncanad (talk) 02:05, 29 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If your family wasn't here in Missouri at that time in the woods, I woudn't come here talkin' like that people. Just do a little more reading as Socatese would, and maybe you'll have differnet lookMensatop2 (talk) 04:16, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Okay you have to also remember that the North was suppressing the South after the war,thus they were attacking only Northern banks and railroads and only those against those who were suppressing Southerners and many Southerners were starving. By the way this is Craig Walters and my mother's mother was Mary Jane Cole,and Zerelda was my grandmother's great Auntie so Jesse and Frank are my great uncles and the Youngers are my cousins. I am sick of hearing things about my great uncles that they were murderers and how about all those Northerners who murdered and hung Southerners after the war was after and many others died of starvation..the Northerners are the ones that did atrocities and it is always the winners of wars or battles that get the first and last say what is right or wrong!Jesse and Frank did atrocities against those already doing them against Southerners and it was payback for all the Northerners did..maybe not correct as TWO WRONGS DO NOT MAKE A RIGHT,but it was how it was and read your history and your see a second Civil War happen after the original one in Mississippi,Missouri and parts of the South from 1865-1872.There is a great book called REDEMPTION:THE LAST BATTLE OF THE CIVIL WAR by NICHOLAS LEMANN and it about this second Civil War or battles that took place..maybe an good explanation is an extension of the war! This book explains the continual atrocities done by Northerners to Southerrn folk and Please Read IT! C.M. WALTERS

Edit request on 4 December 2011

hello, I've just become a bona fide member of weki and I am going to make a donation, first here, i live 6 miles from Gads Hill, we have a large sign telling about the 1st MO. train robbery taking place there by Jesse and four members of his gang on Jan.31 1874. It's in your Gads Hill info. about how the place got its name from Charles Dickens Hometown,but not here, please but us in along with the others because its just as famous, just overlooked, thank you.Mensatop2 (talk) 06:39, 4 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]


Mensatop2 (talk) 06:39, 4 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Please request a specific edit, as described in the template. Change the template back to answered=no when you do so--Jac16888 Talk 11:54, 4 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request on 13 December 2011

The line "He also faked his own death and was known as J.M James" in the first paragraph should be removed as it is more representative of a conspiracy theory than proven fact. The article itself notes that "none of James' biographers have accepted [such theories] as plausible. To include such info in the introduction, especially as a statement, is misleading. Writebeat (talk) 04:48, 13 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to add the following link to the External links section, but I noticed there is a note requesting that further links be discussed here. Comments?

http://www.booknotes.org/Watch/165238-1/Ted+Yeatman.aspx

KConWiki (talk) 16:52, 28 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request on 21 January 2012

The caption below the picture of Jesse James's farm reads "Jesse James Farm in Kearney." I believe this should be changed to "Jesse James's Farm in Kearney."

CiaraMisaki (talk) 19:10, 21 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I realize that you believe that there is a grammatical error concerning possessives but the name Jesse James Farm is an official and recognized name used by the current museum as seen here. It isn't an error.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► 19:21, 21 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request on 22 January 2012

Jesse James wax museum Address: North Service Rd W., Stanton, MO 

  Directions: I-44 exit 230, southeast side. Phone: 573-927-5233

Rudy Turili claimed to have tracked down Jesee James in 1948 very much alive. After many years off collecting evidence of this mans idenity she opened this museum in 1964.Boomhaward (talk) 23:05, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]


Boomhaward (talk) 23:05, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Children

Jesse Woodson James and Zerelda Amanda Mimms had four children NOT two. mentioned under the picture at the top of the first page with an overview of him I can only find the names of Jesse Edwards James and Mary Susan James. The names of the other two children are Montgomery James and Gould James, they were twins and although they only lived a few days after child birth, I think they're names should be listed under his children, (in the section under the picture not just further down in the article), in respect for Jesse Woodson James and his family. The twins were born in 1878 and died in the same year. Dugan baby (talk) 21:27, 27 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request on 12 March 2012

The Museum section of the Jesse Woodson James article should have an additional entry. - The Jesse James Bank Museum on the square in Liberty, Missouri. - It is the site of the first daylight bank robbery in peacetime. I have been to it many times. The museum is managed by Clay County along with the James Farm Home and Museum outside of Kearney, Missouri. Please consider making this change (addition) to the article. Thank you.

69.242.154.243 (talk) 00:56, 12 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Thanks, Celestra (talk) 01:42, 12 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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