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Category:Monorchistic people

Propose deleting Category:Monorchistic people - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: Delete I suppose a link to monorchism will be helpful. This medical problem is not a defining characteristic of an individual. Pichpich (talk) 22:04, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as duplicate of Category:Monorchid people (which is also on its way to deletion). - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 22:08, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as being intrinsically a contentious categorization for which exceedingly strong sourcing would be needed in any case at all. Collect (talk) 22:24, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete My apology for an error in creating this category which I have now remedied be recreation under simpler alternative terminology.Oxycut (talk) 00:28, 7 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Faculty by university in Sri Lanka

Propose renaming Category:Faculty by university in Sri Lanka to Category:Academics by university in Sri Lanka
Propose renaming Category:Faculty of the University of Colombo to Category:Academics of the University of Colombo
Propose renaming Category:Faculty of the General Sir John Kotelawala Defence University to Category:Academics of the General Sir John Kotelawala Defence University
Propose renaming Category:Faculty of the University of Kelaniya to Category:Academics of the University of Kelaniya
Propose renaming Category:Faculty of the University of Peradeniya to Category:Academics of the University of Peradeniya

Nominator's rationale: Rename following recent precedent for Thailand. There is no reason to use this term of American English for Sri Lankan academics. Further renames should follow. – Fayenatic London 19:19, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 19:26, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People from Arlington, Washington

Propose merging Category:People from Arlington, Washington to Category:People from Snohomish County, Washington
Propose merging Category:People from Brewster, Washington to Category:People from Douglas County, Washington
Propose merging Category:People from Neah Bay, Washington to Category:People from Clallam County, Washington
Propose merging Category:People from Port Hadlock, Washington to Category:People from Jefferson County, Washington
Propose merging Category:People from Forks, Washington to Category:People from Clallam County, Washington
Propose merging Category:People from Kalama, Washington to Category:People from Cowlitz County, Washington
Propose merging Category:People from Soap Lake, Washington to Category:People from Grant County, Washington
Propose merging Category:People from Enumclaw, Washington to Category:People from King County, Washington
Propose merging Category:People from Ephrata, Washington to Category:People from Grant County, Washington

Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. All categories have 3 or fewer entries ...William 17:52, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Tintin

Propose renaming Category:Tintin to Category:The Adventures of Tintin

Nominator's rationale: Brought from speedy to full at suggestion. Propose renaming to follow the main article for the category, The Adventures of Tintin. If passed subcats would be speedied. The Bushranger _{One ping only} 16:22, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

weak oppose It's clear enough as the bare Tintin. Not strongly against it, but I'm not in favour of it either. 'Tintin' also covers things like the Paris Tintin shop or whatever cons and the like Tintin fans might get up to, whilst 'The Adventures of Tintin' sounds too much like a category only for the original book series, and nothing else. Andy Dingley (talk) 17:08, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: it was my suggestion that this should have a full discussion rather than a Speedy decision, because at first glance it seemed pretty obvious what the category is for. Although Tintin is a disambiguation page, many of the other meanings are derivative from this character & franchise. Many of the articles in Category:Tintin are just named according to "Tintin", not "The Adventures of Tintin", e.g. Ideology of Tintin not "Ideology of The Adventures of Tintin". My starting point is that it would be unnecessary to rename such pages, so I need to think through why we would rename the categories. I didn't know there was a Tintin (magazine) which carried other stories (such as Alix and Blake and Mortimer), but confusion with that seems unlikely. Would it be helpful to expand this nom with proposed renames for the sub-categories as well? (except for Category:Tintin games which was already nominated on Sept 1 to "Video games based on..." but with options for the short or long name.) – Fayenatic London 17:40, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The category covers the entire franchise, not just the comic series entitled The Adventures of Tintin. Compare at Category:Bambi, Category:Sailor Moon, and much else in Category:Media franchises.- choster (talk) 19:52, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Melvillians

Propose renaming Category:Melvillians to Category:Wikipedians who read Herman Melville

Nominator's rationale: Rename When possible, titles of user categories should clearly indicate their nature. Moreover the rename would be consistent with the format of other categories in Category:Wikipedians by interest in an author. Pichpich (talk) 14:52, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: This falls under the 'liking' category and isn't of aid to constructing the encylopedia. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 14:55, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

While I'm tempted to agree, it would be a little unfair to target this one and not Category:Wikipedians by interest in an author as a whole. Pichpich (talk) 21:28, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: The category was created to identify and bring together editors who are interested in working on all articles relating to him. Which makes it useful and worth keeping. "Editors who read" would not suffice. ~ Alcmaeonid (talk) 17:56, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. After two months, it's not working yet. I suggest you have a look round (or go up from there to WP Literature) and start a Herman Melville task force instead. – Fayenatic London 18:36, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Rename - since it's a single member category, who has commented here stating that they want to collaborate on such topics. - jc37 20:35, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wolverine

Propose deleting Category:Wolverine - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT; category just contains ol' Wolvy and his Ultimate alterverse alter-ego which are already properly categorised under Category:Marvel Comics superheroes, along with the "titles" category which is already properly categorised under Category:Marvel Comics titles. The Bushranger _{One ping only} 14:28, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. If kept, it should definitely be as Category:Wolverine (comics). Pichpich (talk) 21:30, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Businesspeople in the oil industry

Rename all. Per the recently closed Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2012 August 30#Category:Businesspeople in the insurance industry my proposed naming scheme may not be the best one, but it's hard for me to consider "businesspeople in oil" a good phrase. Perhaps then "Businesspeople in petroleum?" I don't know. I leave it up to the discussion to come up with the best target name. If a different name template than I am suggesting is picked, also include Category:Norwegian businesspeople in the oil industry which I am creating concurrently. __meco (talk) 14:25, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Businesspeople in oil? Nobody light a match! - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 16:42, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Rename all. Much better title. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:37, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Rename per nom. Some categories will need the "industry" suffix; others won't, it shouldn't be used when it can be avoided but, as pointed out, this is a case where omitting it is awkward. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 16:42, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Rename per nom. At the same time, I am little bit confused. This proposal includes some oil industrialists' categories (British, Russian) but not category:American oil industrialists. I propose to upmerge it into Category:American oil businesspeople (or by the proposed name Category:American businesspeople in the oil industry). Otherwise, if kept, also other oil industrialists categories should be kept. Beagel (talk) 18:38, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Sekoku no Ryuu Kishi

Propose deleting Category:Sekoku no Ryuu Kishi - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: Improper use of article text in a Category page. The category consists solely of a user space page and an empty list (that has been nominated for deletion under WP:CSD#A3. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 14:08, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Skillet members

Propose renaming Category:Skillet members to Category:Skillet (band) members
Propose renaming Category:For King & Country albums to Category:For King & Country (band) albums

Nominator's rationale: Rename to match Skillet (band) and For King & Country (band) respectively and avoid any potential ambiguity. Pichpich (talk) 13:58, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Indian motor scooters

Propose deleting Category:Indian motor scooters - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: This is a completely unnecessary split of the existing Category:Motor scooters. No other scooters are grouped by country. Biker Biker (talk) 06:38, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

oppose Category:Motor scooters by country would be a reasonable hierarchy to create. Andy Dingley (talk) 17:05, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People from Grafton, New Hampshire

Propose merging Category:People from Grafton, New Hampshire to Category:People from Grafton County, New Hampshire

Nominator's rationale: Single-article by-city cat, not much reasonable chance for expansion for this town of under 1500 people. The Bushranger _{One ping only} 05:56, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Alumni of the University of Malta

Propose renaming Category:Alumni of the University of Malta to Category:University of Malta alumni

Nominator's rationale: All subcategories of Category:Alumni by university or college in Europe except for those in the UK and Ireland use the "(X) alumni" format. As an independent nation, Malta doesn't seem to have a reason to be more like the UK and Ireland than all of the other countries in Europe.-- Mike Selinker (talk) 05:08, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Copy of Speedy discussion

Category:Alumni of the University of Malta to Category:University of Malta alumni – C2C. The Bushranger_{One ping only} 22:56, 2 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose this one. It's the only entry in Category:Alumni by university or college in Malta and the order shouldn't be reversed. Malta has strong historic and cultural ties to the UK. Timrollpickering (talk) 19:53, 3 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  - Fair enough, I might take it to full later (or not). - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 20:20, 3 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support; the argument that Malta has close ties to the UK is a reasonable enough concern, however other 'close ties' countries - Canada, Australia, and India, for instance - all uniformly and without exception use the standard "Foo alumni" format. There's no reason for Malta not to follow the standard for Europe or, for that matter, the standard of the rest of the world. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 05:59, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral. The convention is as stated by Bushranger, so I will not oppose this move ... but nor will I support it.
The "Foo alumni" convention is a bad choice in terms of usability, because it places the crucial modifier word at the end of what can be a very long title. For example, Category:University of Cincinnati – College-Conservatory of Music alumni and Category:Perelman School of Medicine at the University of Pennsylvania alumni would me much more easily read if they were named Category:Alumni of the University of Cincinnati – College-Conservatory of Music and Category:Alumni of the Perelman School of Medicine at the University of Pennsylvania. That "Alumni of Foo" format would also make it easier to apply these categories using WP:HOTCAT, because it would save editors from having to search through a long list of other categories relating to that university.
I accept that "Foo alumni" is more common usage in many places, but "Alumni of Foo" is equally understandable and much better suited to the speed-reading habits of online usage. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:17, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- I can see your point; perhaps eventually they all should be renamed, but they should conform to one standard or the other as a whole, and getting them all to "Y X" now saves having to do it again later if "X of Y" failed to gain consensus. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 16:25, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose (restated from Speedy) The current form is just as easily readable if not more so ("...alumni" is a particular source of confusion when the institution name contains punctuation) and there's no need to change in the name of European wide conformity. We already have two other European countries that use a different form and should allow other national categories to go their own way where appropriate. Timrollpickering (talk) 15:03, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Those "two other European countries" should also be renamed. Standardisation is professional and encyclopedic; letting them "go their own way" just gives the nabobs a chance to titter at how silly Wikipedia looks when they can't even keep their naming formats straight. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 16:24, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose – 'Alumni of' is vastly preferable to horrible concatenations such as Category:California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo alumni (which would merit much tittering, unlike the entirely cromulent 'Alumni of the University of Malta'). Oculi (talk) 21:49, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Category:User en-2.5

Propose deleting Category:User en-2.5 - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: Delete. Joke category. "This user has significantly improved his/her vocabulary and thinks he/she is able to contribute with an advanced level of English, but may actually not." Previous similar babel categories have been deleted, see here. Does not benefit the encyclopedia. VegaDark (talk) 05:02, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Humorous Categories such as Category:Rouge editors seems to be permitted. ibicdlcod (talk) 08:54, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Does not assist collaboration between editors. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:18, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nominator and BrownHairedGirl. Ncboy2010 (talk) 11:46, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:USERCAT#Jokes/nonsense - jc37 20:35, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:USERCAT#Jokes/nonsense. Nominating Category:Rouge editors would be both logical and instant drama-ish. Pichpich (talk) 21:34, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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 *'''Delete''' as duplicate of [[:Category:Monorchid people]] (which is also [[Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2012_September_4#Category:Monorchid_people|on its way to deletion]]). - [[User:The Bushranger|The Bushranger]] <sub><font color="maroon">[[User talk:The Bushranger|One ping only]]</font></sub> 22:08, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
 *'''Delete''' as being intrinsically a contentious categorization for which exceedingly strong sourcing would be needed in any case at all. [[User:Collect|Collect]] ([[User talk:Collect|talk]]) 22:24, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
+*'''Delete''' My apology for an error in creating this category which I have now remedied be recreation under simpler alternative terminology.[[User:Oxycut|Oxycut]] ([[User talk:Oxycut|talk]]) 00:28, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
 ==== Faculty by university in Sri Lanka ====