Talk:Proposed political status for Puerto Rico

What happens next

As I understand it there is now a popular mandate that Puerto Rico becomes the 51st State of the USA. What happens next to allow this to happen and what is the timetable for such a change? yorkshiresky (talk) 11:20, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

The timetable is unknown and it is not certain that it will happen. First, the Puerto Rican legislature must formally petition the U.S. Congress for admission. Simultaneously, a constitutional convention would have to be called within Puerto Rico, to draft a state constitution, which would then have to be ratified by another plebiscite. Then Congress must pass, and the president sign, a statehood bill into law, which would admit Puerto Rico into the Union. This is a big step in the statehood direction, but it's a long, slow process - on purpose. polarscribe (talk) 06:08, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

About Romney

Just saying: Romney doesn't actually speak in favor of Puerto Rico becoming a state. Romney states, at best, that if the people of Puerto Rico decide they want(!) to be a state, he isn't going to stop them from wanting to become a state. Actually becoming a state is a whole different ballpark, of course! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.236.7.98 (talk) 11:25, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Romney Support Statehood for Puerto Rico and the Republican Party do it also on their Platform! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.54.198.59 (talk) 12:17, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

The Republican Party platform of 2008 and 2012 says:

We support the right of the United States citizens of Puerto Rico to be admitted to the Union as a fully sovereign state after they freely so determine. We recognize that Congress has the final authority to define the constitutionally valid options for Puerto Rico to achieve a permanent non-territorial status with government by consent and full enfranchisement. As long as Puerto Rico is not a state, however, the will of its people regarding their political status should be ascertained by means of a general right of referendum or specific referenda sponsored by the U.S. government.

Mitt Romney Supports Puerto Rican Statehood: Mitt Romney Supports Puerto Rican Statehood

Requested move

• Puerto Rican statehood movement → (ignore this part - the talk page is messed up and I had to do this to get the template to work)
• Puerto Rico (proposed state) → Puerto Rican statehood movement

– Proposing this move for a very simple reason. Puerto Rican statehood movement will still be a valid topic for an article even if Puerto Rico does become a state. Puerto Rico (proposed state), on the other hand, would logically need retargeting to Puerto Rico if this happens. This will then break a whole bunch of links that discuss Puerto Rico's attempts to be a state. The consistency argument is bunk - unlike all the other proposed states at Category:Proposed states of the United States, this proposal actually has a reasonable chance of happening, rather than being a fringe pipe dream idea like the rest. This is a huge difference, and justifies Puerto Rico getting a different treatment. Note that I moved the page to this article earlier, and another editor reverted me, but the talk page wasn't moved back. Ego White Tray (talk) 13:32, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose. WP:CRYSTAL. There can be an article about the statehood movement and one about the state proposed itself. The topics can be clearly separated. ChemTerm (talk) 13:44, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

For reference, these were originally separate and there was a clear consensus to combine them into a single article at Talk:Puerto Rico statehood movement. And saying that Puerto Rico has a statehood movement has nothing to do with Crystal balls - it does have a statehood movement, whether they succeed or not, the statehood movement exists now. Ego White Tray (talk) 13:50, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

The merger is nonsense. A proposed state is not a movement. There is a conceptual difference. I am absolutely in favor of having an article on the movement. Also of removing movement content from the state article. Regarding the so called consensus: It was, AFAICS, a 11 hour consensus by three editors. ChemTerm (talk) 13:55, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

You keep reverting a consensus merge and have made zero effort to restart discussion. Maybe I should follow your lead and revert your page move and delete this discussion? Ego White Tray (talk) 16:21, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

• Comment I sent a notice to those who took part in the merge discussion as they had input in what the title of the article should be. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 16:35, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
• As I said elsewhere, I recommend having everything related to Puerto Rico becoming a state at Puerto Rican statehood movement, to avoid redundancy and because parentheses are used in titles only for disambiguation purposes, which do not apply here.  Sandstein  17:16, 9 November 2012 (UTC)