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Jigo Tensin-Ryu Jujutsu

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This is a supposedly a new martial arts style, but I can only find one school that teaches it. Everything seems to link back to one D.C. school run by the founder. I found no significant independent coverage. One of the article's sources mentions jujutsu, but doesn't specifically mention this style at all.Mdtemp (talk) 20:32, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. czar · · 21:58, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

This martial art is significant because it is being used by National Defense University and being taught to the U.S. Military there. It is part of the curriculum. There are no other schools who can claim this. And yes there is independent coverage in there and the founders bio is used because there is a lot of detail in there. Please make suggestions for improvement instead of flagging for deletion. 69.243.110.100 (talk) 12:29, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Additional secondary sources have been added to this article. Emery80 (talk) 01:08, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

• Redirect or merge into Dong Jin Kim The fact that courses in this art are taught does not show notability, regardless of where they're taught. The NDU is for military and civilians and is not concerned with preparing anyone for combat. The mere fact this course is taught does not show notability--note that it's part of an article that also discusses other new offerings at the gym such as a musical cardio class. T+here is nothing that shows this art meets WP:MANOTE or any other notability criteria to merit its own article. Astudent0 (talk) 18:16, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

• Keep The NDU does prepare military for combat situations, further the Army Old Guard is there at Ft. McNair with them. NDU is a U.S. military university. Unlike other "offerings" students get academic credit for this. Being that my main interest is including a worthy art, the U.S. military, and the NDU, I don't terribly mind it being merged with Kim's, however my preference would be to keep both. Any suggestions on how they could be merged coherently? I think merging Kim into Jigo Tensin-Ryu would be the best if it had to be merged, but having seen comment on the other page some may argue it should be the other way around. Emery80 (talk) 21:43, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

The bottom line is that I think there's little to show notability for this art. An art that appears to be taught by one instructor and lacks significant independent coverage doesn't seem notable by WP standards. As for my merging/redirect comment, I think it's much easier to make a case for Kim's notability than for this art which is why I voted the way I did on the two articles. According to the NDU website their mission is to be "focused on advanced joint education, leader development and scholarship", educate "members of the U.S. Armed Forces and select others in order to develop leaders that have the ability to operate and creatively think" and "foster and promote scholarly distinction in its work and its people". With a focus on getting a master's degree, it doesn't sound like hand to hand combat is an integral requirement and lots of schools offer martial arts classes as electives--it hardly shows notability. Astudent0 (talk) 00:49, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

• Delete The secondary sources cited in the article either don't address Jigo Tensin-Ryu Jujutsu by name, discusses it in terms of an individual of a larger organization (specifically Mr. Stenson of the US Army as per the current #3 reference) or by the name of its inventor Dong Jin Kim (also up for AfD). The martial art itself doesn't appear to have been around very long (relatively speaking), been the subject of significant coverage, or practiced my multiple notable people and thus fails WP:GNG and WP:MANOTE. --TreyGeek (talk) 04:04, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

NOTE Prior to this !vote I spent time on the article removing possible copyright violations and cleaning up instances where information was incorrectly cited, both in this article and Dong Jin Kim which I have also !voted delete in its AfD. --TreyGeek (talk) 04:04, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Keep TreyGeek there are a lot of significant people who practice this form of martial art...e.g. Scooter Libby, Tom Daschle, General Greg martin get s his Black Belt this month. BTW, thanks for erasing my pictures, that are NOT copy right infringements. Emery80 (talk) 11:37, 12 May 2013 (UTC) TreyGeek went into Wikicomkons and tagged every photo of mine and tagged it possible copyright. Even though I own the photos...including ones for my job (law enforcement)and of my father...wow thanks pal, thanks for the attack!Emery80 (talk) 11:48, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

I see the side of Astudent0 and I have merged the two pages. Thank you for the suggestions :) Emery80 (talk) 13:11, 12 May 2013 (UTC)