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Is this copyright info right?

I posted this pic from Jason's website listed under "press photo", http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Press_Photo_-_Author_Jason_P._Stadtlander.jpg specifically for public use. I also contacted his publishing company "Ashian Ink" and they responded saying it could be used on Wikipedia, but I always seem to have problems getting around the copyright bot on this thing. Can anyone tell me if I did this right? I also have a picture one of his fans took at a book signing last summer if I should use that one instead. Any Advice would be helpful. B4theword (talk) 19:45, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Bare URLs

I just had my first page created http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Carli there is a notation regarding bare URLs I have attempted to fix it can someone look at my efforts and comment? Thanks in advance Rob ConnecticutHistorian (talk) 19:16, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

I corrected it with {{Cite web}}.--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 19:43, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

How do I get an update on a page I have submitted for publication?

I submitted a page for publication on the 6th May, but I am not sure of its status - what channel do I use to ask Wikipedia about this ? Adambarlow75 (talk) 15:36, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Adam. When somebody reviews your page, they should update the Review box at the bottom of the page. Until that happens, it probably hasn't been looked at.

Looking at it now, I see that you have put your citations as external references within the text, rather than as proper citations. This will not necessarily mean that the article will be rejected, though it needs to be fixed in the long term. But it has the effect that at first glance the article looks as if it has no references; and when you notice that they are there, you can't easily see what sources are used, and so whether or not they are reliable and independent. It would be make the job of reviewing very much easier if you were to read WP:Referencing for beginners, and convert your links to proper references. --ColinFine (talk) 15:43, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Welcome to the Teahouse, Adam. It is easier for other editors to answer your question if you provide a link to the page concerned. In this case I am guessing that you might be referring to User:Adambarlow75/sandbox. If that is the case, in the box at the foot of the page it says "This submission is waiting to be reviewed. This may take several days. The Articles for creation process is backlogged. Please be patient. There are currently 731 pending submissions (1 over 2 weeks old, 295 over 1 week old) waiting for review at this page." Without pre-empting the result of that review, I would point out that your draft does contain many in-line external links, which Wikipedia doesn't like, and it contains no references, which Wikipedia does want to see. You therefore ought to read WP:External links and WP:Referencing for beginners. - David Biddulph (talk) 15:49, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

I'm busy reviewing it now - you will recieve a notice about the result on your Talk page. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:02, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Looks blooming good for a first article, doesn't it-!!!! Basket _Feudalist 16:12, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

In editing, how can I enter my name as a link to my website, ?

In editing, how can I enter my name as a link to my website? Borgew (talk) 14:14, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome. It is simple, you put your website's link inside the [] and then your name separated by a space (for ex. Borgew). There you go. Hope it helps. happy editing!!.  Miss Bono (zootalk) 14:19, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Mind you, remember the necessity to avoid contentious usernames etc... Basket _Feudalist 14:40, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

See also WP:SIG#EL which suggests not to add external link in signature! --Tito Dutta (contact) 17:01, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Adding Audio

How do I embed an audio file into a section of my wiki page?

Ekalinowski (talk) 13:54, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello. Welcome to the Teahouse. Try this

Just change the info insde the template for what you want.  Miss Bono (zootalk) 15:00, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Upload a file

Hello, i'm currently writing an article about a company and I would like to add the logo of the company on the article. I've already looked at the Wikipedia help page about it and I would send an Email to the owner of the picture to ask about the copyright permission. The thing is that the picture don't come from any website. Actually, I received this picture via Email from the director of the company. So how should I ask him about the copyright permission? My main issue is to link the picture since I don't have any URL. Marc.gem Marc.gem (talk) 12:24, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Company logos are typically copyright protected and can only be uploaded under Fair Use guidelines except in rare circumstances. The director probably doesn't have the rights to release, so it should probably be uploaded to English Wikipedia under fair use. The "Upload file" wizard in the toolbox on the left side of the screen can be used to do this. Wikipedia doesn't link pictures so you don't need a url. I would be aware of conflict of interest issues if you are directly involved with the company. Froggerlaura ^ribbit 13:30, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Article deletion. No response to questions.

Hi, An article created in English Wikipedia by a person whom I was helping to start editing is deleted twice. The article topic was "Maggie Shah". Maggie Shah is one of the top women entrepreneur in Nepal. I don't know about what the contributor wrote. I want to help her with the article. I've requested to the person (Who has deleted it) to userify the article. Can you please help me in this regards? I am also looking for expansion of wiki projects in Nepal from Wikimedia Nepal. The Notability you've set in English Wikipedia has really discouraged to new users. --Ganesh Paudel (talk) 10:27, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi Ganesh. I've userfied the article at User:SamanaShrestha/Maggie Shah. I'm sorry that you find the notability guidelines difficult for new users (I assume the Nepali ones are less stringent) but trust me, given the avalanche of inappropriate articles we get, they are sorely needed. You might want to point your protege at WP:42, which concisely summaries the basic notability requirements here. Thanks for helping new contributors. Yunshui 雲‍水 11:02, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

RCP

How could I become a RC Partoller? Zince34' 08:05, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi Zince. There's no official requirement for RCP (although it helps to be familiar with Wikipedia's basic guidelines). Just click the "Recent changes" link (under "Interaction" in the sidebar menus ←) and take a look at the list of recent edits - check them individually for vandalism and/or errors. There are full instructions at WP:RCP. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:14, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

draft of an article

Hello, I have written a draft of an article which i believe meets all the criteria for wikipedia... Can I have someone look at this in PDF form before I begin...it still needs some polishing..in a few areas.

Many thanks for your advice, Kristen

Kristenneymarc (talk) 05:01, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello Kristen, Where is your draft? Your only edit except for your post here is to User:Kristenneymarc/sandbox, and that page is virtually empty, saying only "Neymarc Visuals". Also we do not take articles in PDF format; text has to be in wikicode.

Also I am concerned from the similarity of your username to "Neymarc Visuals" that you may be intending to write about a company that you are personally connected with. While that is not forbidden, it is discouraged: Please read Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. —teb728 t c 05:27, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Placing language tags on a user talk page

Hello! I'm back with yet another problem: I cannot successfully place interlanguage links (e.g. "[[fr:Discussion utilisateur:JPaestpreornJeolhlna]]" for French, etc.) on my talk page. Would somebody please tell me why this is—and how I can possibly fix it? Thank you. — |J~Pæst| 22:20, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Welcome back. Help:Interlanguage links#Method says: "Interlanguage links in Talk pages and on Meta will appear inline in the text, like regular links, so you can cite other pages in discussion." You can make interlanguage links on your user page but not the talk page. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:43, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, PrimeHunter. I did not realize that was the only possibility. — |J~Pæst| 02:44, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

[[:fr:Discussion utilisateur:JPaestpreornJeolhlna]] should work in any namespace and result in fr:Discussion utilisateur:JPaestpreornJeolhlna. What I got from that section of Help:Interlanguage links#Method is simply that some namespaces require the colon, some don't, but the colon will work in all. Technical 13 (talk) 11:35, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

J~Pæst already had inline links at User talk:JPaestpreornJeolhlna but wanted links under the Languages heading to the left of the page. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:47, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Oh! Thank you for the clarification. I never use those links myself and often forget they are even there. The only way that I am aware of to add a link there for that only works using JavaScript and then only works for those that have said JavaScript installed. I'd be happy to help you put together a simple script to do that, but you would have to keep in mind that it would most likely only make the link appear for you. I could create that for you tomorrow (I have to get my last final exam done today at school and have no free time at all (I shouldn't even be spending time sorting through my email this morning XD)). Technical 13 (talk) 11:56, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Making Proposed Changes Based on Non-Response to Requested Feedback in Article Talk Pages

I would appreciate assistance or feedback on how I can reach a consensus on proposed changes in the 4 articles noted below without further delays in order to avoid any future questions by Alansohn regarding these changes, which were originally reverted by Alansohn. It has been 9 weeks since I opened up Talk pages on March 7 & 8 based on Alansohn’s request, along with follow-up at Alansohn’s “FYI” talk requesting feedback.

No one else has indicated any objections to these changes.

Over 9 weeks, I have made good faith efforts to try and work with Alansohn without any success for straight forward changes that I thought would be resolved within a week’s time.

However, Alansohn has either offered excuses for further delays in his responses to me or to a request by someone else as part of a Third Opinion, or simply does not respond to my requests. See Alansohn “3O” talk.

If Alansohn does not provide any feedback within a reasonable time (perhaps 1 week after discussions here?), can I just notify everyone on the Talk pages for these 4 articles that these changes will be implemented without further discussion since no objections have been made?

A. Talk:New Jersey Route 55#Reinsertion of Irrelevant Source Citation; B. Talk:International High School (New Jersey)#Reinsertion of Source Citation with Mistakes and Deleting Accurate Revisions; C. Talk:Reversible lane#Reinsertion of Irrelevant Source Citation and Deleting Factual Statement; and D. Talk:Spanish Transportation#Reinsertion of Irrelevant Source Citation.

Can the cited sources from a columnist from The Record newspaper be replaced with other cited sources? Each of the changes involved replacing a cited source from The Record newspaper that either did NOT have any relevant details or had details in contradiction to what was referenced in the Wikipedia article. I replaced those cited sources with reliable sources that confirmed the referenced info in the articles.

Can other factual statements that I identified with cited sources also be added?

I have made changes in other articles that replaced irrelevant or out-of-date sources other than The Record. I have also made many constructive updates in other articles.Wondering55 (talk) 19:41, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

As stated elsewhere, I have no objections at this point to any of these changes based on your explanations. Alansohn (talk) 19:45, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Pictures

I would like to insert an image. The picture I have in mind is a Spy cartoon (from Vanity Fair 1892). Do I infringe copyright if I copy the image (using a snipping tool) from a website & then use it?

Thanks

RacingArchivist (talk) 18:10, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi RacingArchivist, and welcome to the teahouse! If you really mean 1892, then you should upload the image at http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:UploadWizard and choose {{Template:PD-UK}} as the license tag. (As a British publication, the copyright has expired because either the author died more than 70 years ago, or the author cannot be identified and the work was published more than 70 years ago).

Do come back if you need any more help! (Image licensing is messy...) --Demiurge1000 (talk) 19:17, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict)RacingArchivist, hi and welcome to the Teahouse. You won't be breaching any copyright as Leslie Ward (Spy) died in 1922 so his published work is out of copyright in most countries including the US. Before uploading an image, and I suggest you upload it to Commons where it can be used across all wikis, check that it hasn't already been uploaded by looking through this category - commons:Caricatures by Leslie Ward in Vanity Fair - if contains most, if not all, of his work for Vanity Fair. NtheP (talk) 19:28, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

What should be done about a Category page when a more detailed page on the topic is completed?

There is a page called Category:2NE1 songs, but I have recently completed a more complete, detailed page called List of Songs recorded by 2NE1. Should the Category page be eliminated as I have created an updated and completed page on the subject? Should the code that was used to make the new page replace that of the category page? Or should they both stay how they are? When I search it on Google, the category page comes up and not the one I created. Kd6502 (talk) 16:29, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Kd6502, hi. Short answer is no, the category should not be deleted. The category and the article you have created have different purposes. Your article, and it looks comprehensive, is a reference for anyone interested in the subject; the category is a method of navigating around subjects. The category itself is linked to several other categories

• Category:2NE1
• Category:K-pop songs
• Category:Songs by artist
• Category:South Korean songs

so anyone who has started by looking at K-pop might find their way through to topics about 2NE1 via the categories, something that wouldn't be possible with only the article. You can find out a lot more about categories and what they are for at Wikipedia:Categorization. NtheP (talk) 17:20, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Timeline graph

I want to create a graph like this in Wikipedia. But, can not understand how to create this using bar chart or vertical chart! --Tito Dutta (contact) 16:09, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi Tito, not exactly built for the purpose but there's a Lua module at Module:Chart that can be used to make stacked bar charts. Looks like it doesn't support horizontal graphs though, and I haven't used it myself. However, if you want something just for making a timeline, there's always the EasyTimeline feature. See the timeline of computing article for an example that uses the latter. Chamal ^T•C 16:42, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello and welcome back to the Teahouse Tito! You may be looking for {{Bar chart}} Technical 13 (talk) 16:43, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for replying. I feel delighted to see the swiftness and accuracy of Teahousers. The main question mentioned that I checked bar chart and I can not understand how to make it with Module:Chart. Here is a more clearly what I am looking for—

Swami Vivekananda went to Khetri thrice between 1891 to 1897. All three visits have high historic importance. Details of this visit may be found here Ajit_Singh_of_Khetri#Relationship_with_Swami_Vivekananda (i am expanding the article, so, not finished yet, but, you'll get the dates). Now, I have thought an image like this:

Is there any option to create a graph like this? Can you suggest any other option to do this? --Tito Dutta (contact) 17:40, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Tito, look at {{Include_timeline}}. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 19:01, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

• My brain is getting overloaded at this moment with some royal history of Khetri! (I may ask another question if I can not solve the puzzles of thhat royal history) Could you please specify which template from that page I should use and if possible what should be the initial structure of the template? Just initiate it and I'll carry on from there! --Tito Dutta (contact) 19:08, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

I'm trying to create the timeline you want at User:TheOriginalSoni/sandbox_5_graphical_timeline by modifying another one I worked on long time back. Hop in to help. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 19:28, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Ah, I see just error messages there! I am thinking to create the image simply in paint (like the above but this time a better one, not quick draft) or drop it altogether! --Tito Dutta (contact) 19:38, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

An svg picture will be better. And see now. I broke it while modifying it.

You could also simply settle for horizontal though. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 19:49, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Notability

Dear Sir/Madam, Below is a response I received about a page i am trying to create. I am at loss as to what to do. Please any advise will be much appreciated. Thanks

This submission's references do not adequately evidence the subject's notability—see the general guideline on notability and the golden rule. Please improve the submission's referencing, so that the information is verifiable, and there is clear evidence of why the subject is notable and worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia. What you can do: Add citations (see Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners) to secondary reliable sources that are entirely independent of the subject. Declined by Davidwr 24 hours ago. Last edited by Hasteur 13 hours ago. Reviewer: Inform author. Ugo27 (talk) 15:39, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse Ugo27! It would appear that an article you have been working on using the article creation wizard over at Articles for creation was declined upon review by Davidwr. I see that the most recent editor was Hasteur of whom is also an AfC reviewer. I'm sure that a note on either of their talk pages requesting more information on what you can do to make your article better would be your best bet. Secondly, although it is unfortunate, not everything deserves a page on Wikipedia, and you should keep that in mind. Happy editing! Technical 13 (talk) 16:37, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Ugo, looking at the article, at present you have exactly two references; but each of them demonstrates that the journal exists, but not that it is notable. That is, in neither of them has a reliable source written at length about the journal: that is what is required for notability. --ColinFine (talk) 22:07, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

How did is we uplink photo

This Kyoung,

I may am gonig to wirte an article on wiki about my dad stew for recipe he make i korea. I took pictures of the stew. how can i wheat upload pictuer of stew then alos is but how I put it in the recipe articleKyoungAuto (talk) 13:22, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

To upload a photo, click on the "Upload a file" link on the left hand side of your screen. To add it to an article, write

[[File:FILENAME|left|140px]]

into the edit window. However, it is unlikely that your dad's recipe meets the criteria set out at WP:N, which is required before an article can be accepted.--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 13:40, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Inserting a Table

I've created a table. It looked as I wanted it to look. However, when I saved it appeared under External links, and didn't look as I wanted which might have been my fault by adding references!

RacingArchivist (talk) 13:13, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi RacingArchivist, welcome to the Teahouse! I looked at your edits. A table must end with a line containing the two characters |}. Otherwise the software doesn't know where the table ends. That can cause strange results, including big differences between how a section looks in preview and how the whole page looks. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:32, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks.

All sorted now. RacingArchivist (talk) 14:09, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Redirect

Is it possible to redirect my user page ? I've redirected articles but don't know about user page. :) Mohammad Sabbir♥ 04:02, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello and welcome back to the Teahouse Mohammad. It is possible, but it is usually deemed confusing, leaving it undesirable. What page would you like to redirect it to, and why do you want to redirect it? Technical 13 (talk) 11:15, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

well my user page name is user:Md31sabbir . But i wanna redirect user:Mohammad Sabbir to this user page. Its like a user page redirecting to another user page. P.s= i would love to be called 'Sabbir' rather than 'Mohammad'. Thank you. Mohammad Sabbir♥ 13:02, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

User:Mohammad Sabbir has redirected to User:Md31sabbir since 27 April. Is that not what you want? I guess both accounts belong to you but you haven't used the first since July 2012, so the redirect seems fine. People who haven't seen your wish to be called Sabbir are unlikely to do this unless your signature only displays "Sabbir". We have a User:Sabbir but the account is inactive so confusion is unlikely. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:43, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Might I suggest modifying your signature to [[User:Md31sabbir|<span style="color:white;background:#FF3B85;font-size:90%;padding:0.3em;">'''Sabbir, Mohammad'''</span>]][[User_talk:Md31sabbir|<span style="color:#FF3B85;background:white;border:1px solid#FF3B85;">'''♥'''</span>]] (Sabbir, Mohammad♥) which will suggest to people that you prefer to be called "Sabbir". People often choose to call people by the first syllable they see in the signature. Like people call me "Tech" or "T13" and people that know me as ShoeMaker simply call me "Shoe". With your current signature, people are likely to call you "Mo" or "Mohammad". Happy editing! Technical 13 (talk) 14:01, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

thanks all for valuable suggestions Mohammad Sabbir♥ 15:04, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

wrote about my sister

Oops. First article I ever touched was a bio of my sister, and I described the changes as "from her brother". I thought the full disclosure would be the correct thing to do.

Today I got to reading the conflict of interest paragraphs and I have sinned! It's like incest or something!

My sister wrote three historical novels, one made into a TV movie/miniseries starring the then-unknown Angelina Jolie. The movie in in perpetual reruns on cable TV. The Wikipedia article probably has a fair number of hits.

To remedy my stumble, I put in sources for every paragraph, quoted from the books themselves and from the book jackets, and I think kept a very neutral voice. The earlier version had been put up by a fan, using two sources, and enthusiastic language. The errors began in the first sentence, when it said she was born in Seguin, Texas, but she was born in San Antonio. I forget the other errors of omission and commission, but the article was replete with them.

Now any editor can get up in arms and delete my rewrite. The article will revert to the erroneous jumble it was before.

So how can we now resolve the desire for accuracy with the rules about impartiality?

WoodyinNYC

WoodyinNYC (talk) 03:30, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi Woody, welcome to the teahouse! In general, people don't (or shouldn't) revert carefully written and sourced material back to erroneous jumbles just because the editor had a conflict of interest. So I wouldn't worry too much. Although, for future changes you should probably make a request on the talk page, rather than editing the article directly. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 11:42, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

changing a name on an article

I am trying to change a name on an article but it would not save. It says it is up for review but does not get saved.Aaboa (talk) 18:44, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to Teahouse! You have to Help:Move the article! --Tito Dutta (contact) 18:45, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

how to edit playstation 3

when i go to edit the playstation 3 information on the right box it does not shows it.Ibrahim2k01 (talk) 18:32, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello Ibrahim, welcome to the Teahouse. The infobox for Playstation 3 is at Template:PlayStation 3/infobox. —teb728 t c 23:37, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

New article: Istle, Istle fiber, or Tampico (fiber)?

I'm creating a new article that describes a type of vegetable fiber from the agave plant, often used for coarse brushes. I first came across the term as Tampico bristles for brushes, and only later came across the synonym istle. When Googling, tampico fiber gives XXXX results, istle fiber gives 4,390,000 results, "tampico fiber" gives 43,700 results, and "istle fiber" gives 908 results.

I have an extremely basic draft of the article at User:Dtgriscom/Tampico (fiber) (little more than some copied paragraphs and a number of links).

Any thoughts on the correct title/focus for this article?

Thanks, Dan Griscom (talk) 14:02, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

And, only now discovered that there is a redirect from Istle to Agave americana. However, the latter doesn't mention fibers at all, and I believe that istle comes from a different type of agave plant. So, I still believe there is a need for a new article, and calling it Istle is a legitimate option. Thoughts? -- Dan Griscom (talk) 14:06, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse Dan! Where-as there are a few title options, you may wish to first create the article using the article creation wizard and then when you are ready to submit it, place a note on the AfC article discussion page stating your concern and requesting it be reviewed. Good luck! Technical 13 (talk) 14:20, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

It appears Tampico, Tamaulipas Mexico is the region the fiber was mainly shipped from[1], and the name of the region eventually got attached to the fibers as well. Note that it's also called "Ixtle" and in searches you also see fibre (as opposed to fiber). Other names I see are "Tula fiber" and even "Mexican fibre". When looking for the common name to use, always default to book and news archive result before using any general web search. Looking at those results this/this, this/this and this/this, I'd say the best name looks like Tampico fiber but it's not far from a toss up. Some great source to start from IMO for writing the article are [2], [3] [4] and others found through this search. Note that you can drop the URLs of the book sources into the this citation tool. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:37, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

URL needed

I need the URL of the first result of this search page. See the article title is "Manual for Public relations department". I am facing very hard time to decode it. --Tito Dutta (contact) 12:31, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse Tito! I believe that http://www.wr.indianrailways.gov.in/uploads/files/1306911877549-PR-MANUAL.pdf is what you are looking for. Technical 13 (talk) 12:55, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Excellent! Do you know any decoder of such PDF URLs?--Tito Dutta (contact) 13:02, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

In Firefox I see the url in the browser address bar after clicking the link. I can also see it in the html source of the Google page. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:27, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

You have Adobe PDF reader (or any similar PDF reader) plugin installed in browser. I don't have updated Adbobe reader, so when I click on the URL, it asks me to download it directly! --Tito Dutta (contact) 13:48, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

You will need the latest Adobe Reader or other similar pdf reader. Technical 13 (talk) 14:01, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Can you view the html source of the Google search page? If not then which browser do you have? PrimeHunter (talk) 14:04, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

My signature

At last i've created my signature. Need some comments to know whether its nice or not. Mohammad Sabbir♥ 09:33, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

I would either darken the background a smidge, change the text color to a dark color, or add a little shadowing to the text on second though, shadowing would make your sig too long. Your contrast ration is bordering something that couldn't be seen by someone with color blindness issues. Other than that, the only thing I'm concerned about is the linefeed at the end of your signature causing the timestamp to be bumped down to a new line and put in a set of <pre>...</pre> tags. Here are some possible modifications:

1. Mohammad Sabbir♥
   • [[User:Md31sabbir|<span style="color:white;background:#FF3B85;font-size:90%;padding:0.3em;">'''Mohammad Sabbir'''</span>]][[User_talk:Md31sabbir|<span style="color:#FF3B85;background:white;border:1px solid #FF3B85;">'''♥'''</span>]]

1. Mohammad Sabbir♥
   • [[User:Md31sabbir|<span style="color:#008036;background:#FF6FB8;font-size:90%;padding:0.3em;">'''Mohammad Sabbir'''</span>]][[User_talk:Md31sabbir|<span style="color:#FF6FB8;background:#008036;border:1px solid#FF6FB8;">'''♥'''</span>]]>

I personally think that modification #1 looks better just darkening the background a smidge. Anyways, happy editing! Technical 13 (talk) 11:16, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Your proposed signatures seem to use a lot of pink. You should be mindful of the traditional associations of this colour regarding gender and regarding sexuality if you choose to use these signatures. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 13:18, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

My proposed signatures are based on the user's previous signature (they chose to modify to my first suggestion). I only adjusted it slightly to improve to contrast ratio so that their signature could be seen using the color they chose. Happy editing! Technical 13 (talk) 13:44, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

using OpenStreetMap?

I created an article on the Diamond Valley Railway (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_Valley_Railway). I've just come across OpenStreetMap and their connection to Wikipedia. I've never seen this used on another article but it seems like an excellent way to show the location of something like this. (The examples cited on the OpenStreetMap wiki http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WIWOSM are out of date).

Given I've never seen it used I'm reluctant to stick my neck out. OpenStreetMap has the railway's area marked as a distinct location.

- Any advice on using the map in the article? - Should the OpenStreetMap object have a link to the Wikipedia article Tjej (talk) 10:57, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

This looks like a pleasant little article aborning, in a topical area of which I know little. I also know little about OSM so shan't comment about going from map to article, but for going from article to map we generally include Template:Coord which leads to a choice among many different map sources. Jim.henderson (talk) 11:22, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

I've added coordinates to the article. Clicking on them takes the reader to a GeoHack page where (as Jim.henderson says) a number of map resources are available, including Open Street Map. In accordance with WP:ELNO #15, we avoid directly linking to specific mapping services. There's been some discussion about linkage of OSM to Wikipedia here, with references (at the bottom of the thread) to similar discussions by OSM members. There still seem to be some problems with that, though I can't claim to understand all the intricacies. Deor (talk) 14:02, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

I have also been working on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_railway.

I have added some links as `ref' tags to the OSM "objects" (called `ways') for two of the Aeromovel lines "in operation" . One advantage of this as opposed to a map reference is that it shows the exact line on a map. (I also added links back to wikipedia from those "objects"). If someone was interested in more detail on the subject this would be particularly useful. (I spent 15 minutes on Google earth myself trying to find one of them, without success. On OSM I can just type in "Aeromovel" and they pop up.). I read the extenal linking policy and I can't see how these links would violate it.

Newbie Needs Help Saving the Erick Miller Article -- It NEEDS Editors

Someone wants Erick Miller page deleted. Please help save the page. Here's the Talk page. Thanks to those who have already commented.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Erick_Miller

The same person already deleted the Epiphany Eyewear Article. Some editors think it should not have been deleted.

Your help is needed. Thank you!!!!

301man (talk) 06:35, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello, 301man. Please be aware that for me (and I suspect for many other Wikipedians, though I may be wrong) your appeal here immediately got my back up. If you had come here and asked dispassionately for some more people to have a look at an ongoing discussion, that would be one thing; but instead you asked people to "help" in "saving" the page. I understand that anybody who has created a new page will feel attached to it; but Wikipedia (even in deletion discussions) is not a competition, and canvassing for any position is not likely to win you many supporters. The way to keep an article proposed for deletion is to obtain a consensus to do so by addressing the specific reasons for which it was proposed. You say your have no conflict of interest because you do not know Miller well (which I quite believe), but you also say "I was impressed with how Miller's ideas were being transformed into a possible world changing technology." In my book, that is a conflict of interest, because it suggests that you are likely to be more concerned with promoting Miller and his ideas than with Wikipedia's interests (as with all conflict of interest, this is not a foregone conclusion, still less an accusation, but a recognition that it is likely to be difficult for the writer in question to be dispassionate and neutral).

I do not have an opinion on the deletion discussion itself: on a quick look, it appears that there are now reliable sources but for the company rather than for Miller himself. But I am not interested enough to delve further, and so will not be contributing to the discussion. --ColinFine (talk) 11:56, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

ColinFine: Thanks for the feedback. Being new to this your info helps. I had surgery Friday, so I'm not all "there" mentally yet to dive back into this, but I did want to say thanks for your insight. The info I added to Miller's page is fact and written from a neutral stance. Third party sources are named. His most recent work has lent to notability. More time is needed to dig into past notability sources. I have a few good leads. Hate to see the work done so far by everyone to be deleted. Reaching out here was an idea someone else suggested. I thought I'd give it a shot. My passion is to add more new technology inventors and bios to the encyclopedia to advance Wikipedia and the subjects who make Wikipedia what it is. Miller is on to something and like I said, the meds I'm taking right now keep my head too cloudy to think straight. Interesting as it may be, I stumbled upon Miller while doing research for Google Glass. I am impressed with many of Wikipedia's topics. That does not constitute a COI. It means I still have an interest in what's happening in the world and appreciate the work being done on to advance Wikipedia, not the people named on its pages. Your support is appreciated and I do reach out to consider having the page saved until I'm well enough to dig deeper into Miller's past credible sources. Thank you... 301man (talk) 17:59, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Just a note that almost nothing is ever permanently deleted on Wikipedia. If, once medication is no longer an issue, you locate additional sources that you believe would prove Miller's notability, you could then ask the deleting administrator to restore the deleted article into userspace, for you to work on it further (adding the newly found sources) and then resubmit it as an article. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 18:22, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Breadth of locations

I've recently come across statements like "located in Houston, in the U.S. state of Texas"—is all this information generally given? I usually see "located in Houston" or "located in Houston, Texas" but can't find a guideline that spells this out. The guideline on contextual links states that "broader geographical area[s]" should be linked but doesn't specify how broad. – 296.x (talk) 22:22, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse 296.x! I think it is a little wordy myself. I suggest in this case for you to be bold and change it. If someone complains about it, you'll have to ask yourself if it is really worth your time to bicker of a little wording that doesn't really hurt anything even if it doesn't really help anything either. If you think it is worth your time, I would recommend asking for a 3rd opinion sooner than later. Happy editing! Technical 13 (talk) 22:34, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks; it's no big deal—was just wondering if there was anything about this in the Manual of Style or similar. – 296.x (talk) 03:38, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Taking a broad view, WP:ENGVAR suggests using the local style of English. So for example, Americans would find it very natural to say things like "Houston, Texas", and by extension, "London, England". British people would just write "London", but probably also "Houston, Texas" (since it's easier to use the Americanism). Canadian people might feel the need to disambiguate London, since there's a London in Canada as well as the original London. No article about a British topic should ever say "London, England" or anything like that. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 03:57, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Hi, 296. Thanks for stopping by the Teahouse. It might be wise to remember that this is English Wikipedia, not "the United States" Wikipedia. What might seem clear to us in the states (that includes me) might not be so clear to someone in England or Australia. I am not sure where, but I think the MOS does address that. I'll look and get back to you. Happy editing! Gtwfan52 (talk) 04:03, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Yes; although I'd seen this specifically with US states, I meant the question generally (Lyon, Rhône-Alpes, France? São Paulo, São Paulo, Brazil?) Thanks for taking a look for me. – 296.x (talk) 04:37, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Let me clear up my original comment a bit. When I said wordy, I meant that I think that instead of:

"located in Houston, in the U.S. state of Texas"

It should be worded as:

"located in Houston, Texas, USA"

As this isn't us.wikipedia.org, I think that all of the information as such needs to be there, just not the wordiness. I hope this is clearer. Happy editing!!!! Technical 13 (talk) 11:26, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

From a stylistic point of view, the first option may actually be preferable to the second. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 13:29, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

What's The Exactly

Hello everyone. I was wondering what's the exactly kind of question you can ask at the reference desk Misc. Section????  Miss Bono (zootalk) 18:50, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Miss Bono, and welcome back to The Teahouse. The short answer is you can ask pretty much any question that is not covered by one of the other categories: Computing, Entertainemnt, Humanities, Language, Mathematics, or Science.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 19:02, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

I was asking for some help about Fanfic (if anyone could give some advice) and the said that the reference desk wasn't a forum. I did not ask for posting any fanfic there, just a little help with the matter. As you can see is not a question for a forum, just asking for help to someone related to the "stuff"  Miss Bono (zootalk) 19:05, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

I thought your question there was inappropriate, though I was not sure quite what to say, and so said nothing. I think the problem is summed up on the first line of the "How can I get my question answered" at the top of the page: "Explain what you need to know.". That is a reference desk: it is asking for information, (preferably, information from published references) not for correspondents or collaborators. It would be on target to ask "What are some sites where I could find people interested in writing fanfic", but not in my view "I am looking for somebody who is interested in writing fanfic". I agree that this could be interpreted as meaning the first question, but its obvious interpretation is as an appeal for collaborators rather than information, which is off topic. --ColinFine (talk) 11:22, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Knowing as much as I know about the little that I know Colin, I'm going to bet that Miss Bono was simply misunderstood. There is a subtle difference in your two examples above, and whereas English is not Miss Bono's primary language, the difference is likely lost to her. I've never helped out at the reference desk, so I can't say for sure, but I guessing this happens from time to time. Perhaps you could suggest to the other hosts/helpers/responders there that if such a question comes in, instead of simply turning them away (you can always send them here), ask them if they meant the other more appropriate wording? I know that it is a little more work, but I think it would greatly improve communications and the responders there would feel better about themselves knowing they helped someone. I mean, helping others solve their problems and questions is why we do it, right? Just some food for thought. Happy editing! Technical 13 (talk) 12:32, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Technical 13. and yes, I was misunderstood.  Miss Bono (zootalk) 11:57, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Translating articles, keep getting "Cite error $1" - can someone show me what I'm doing wrong please?

I've been picking up articles in need of translation (I need the practice) but am utterly clueless when it comes to Wikipedia formatting. Twice now I've noticed the message "Cite Error $1" appear at the bottom of the page, but can't see where it came from. I have copied references over from the original articles, I'm simply translating the text as is. Could somebody please show me where the mistake is so I can fix it. Example here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolas_Perrot_d%27Ablancourt

Many thanks, Littlemissnomad (talk) 17:32, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Good question! You need to add the {{Reflist}} template to display the inline references. I have added it for you.--ukexpat (talk) 17:53, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

We should also add a {{Translated page}} template to the talk page to indicate you have translated from another language version of the article.--ukexpat (talk) 17:57, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Understood - thankyou! Littlemissnomad (talk) 02:52, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Racist poster

I remember seeing sometime ago, a racist poster image of an African American "camouflaging" in the dark, with a warning along the lines of "keep your doors locked" at the bottom of the poster. I searched the Net with all possible keywords, but to no avail. Where is this file???? Cheers, ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 14:39, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Hey Bonkers! You might try asking at Wikipedia:Reference desk where you are more likely to get an answer. --Jayron32 15:22, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

No problem. :) ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 15:30, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Template:Help me possible rewording

Hello hosts! In addition to being a host here, I've also been responding to {{Help me}} requests. Shameless self promo: I've even created a userbox ({{User:Technical 13/Userboxes/Help me responder}}) that informs you how many people are using the template get get assistance. Anyways, I was on the talk page today to request a new similar template be created ({{Admin help-inappropriate}}) when I noticed a couple of edit requests that had been sitting there for a couple months (there was no template to notify anyone). I decided to add my opinions and post the appropriate {{Edit protected}} template to see if the little bugs could be fixed. The requests where denied at this time, although the denying admin had missed my actual request. I asked him about it on his talk page, and he suggested, "What may be an idea is bringing the entire template up for discussion at the Teahouse, or some other venue designed around helping editors, and see if there is a more elegant rewording for the whole thing." So, here I am and my question for the hosts today is: Should the {{Help me}} template be reworded to be less wordy and to fix a typographical error? I thank you all for your time in advanced and look forward to your replies. Technical 13 (talk) 14:15, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

No opinion on the 'wordiness', but the massive run-on sentence is horrible, and the 'category this places' phrasing is useless to a newbie. "Using this template on a page places it into a special category for attention, and notifies users...." That way it doesn't 'assume knowledge'. Revent (talk) 19:17, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

My edit request was to remove the extra words, not add anything.

• Change:
  • "Users who monitor the category this places and those on the #wikipedia-en-help IRC channel have been alerted and will assist you shortly."
• To:
  • "Users who monitor the category and those on the #wikipedia-en-help IRC channel have been alerted and will assist you shortly."

Changing the rest of it was Thumperward's idea. I'm just presenting it. Technical 13 (talk) 19:29, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

link word to heading

i would like to know how to edit an existing article to link a word within it to a sub heading in the same article, to make article easier to navigateSirDigit (talk) 10:03, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. [[#link word to heading|this link]] will give this link. - David Biddulph (talk) 10:08, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Is it spam?

I deleted it once finding no relation with the article, they have reposted with some weird explanation. I think this is not a legitimate post, can someone check Talk:Paoli_Dam#Erdos.E2.80.93Bacon_number? --Tito Dutta (contact) 09:41, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Looks pretty legit to me. Assume it's a good faith question: Erdos-Bacon numbers are a notable concept, and given her career and qulifications she probably does have one (although it may well be too high to be worth noting). Yunshui 雲‍水 09:57, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

I'm new in Wikipedia. I have a question.

Always when i put images with celebrities, this images are deleted by Wikipedia, what it's supposed to choose, this are not my images! What code, it's supposed to use? Thank you very much. Consiliul (talk) 09:31, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

I have taken a look at some of your edits, it seems to me like you are not using the exact same name of the File page when you try to insert the picture on an article page. All elements of the name, capital letters, punctuation, etc must be exactly the same. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 10:18, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello Consiliul, and thanks for stopping by! Just a quick (unsolicited) bit of advice unrelated to your initial question: When you fill in the "edit summary" box, please leave a real, descriptive summary of what you have done. For example, if you are adding an image to an article, write "adding an image to the article". Don't just mash the "a" or "g" key 20 times just to fill in the blank. Many people at Wikipedia would find that rude; even ruder than leaving no summary at all. The edit summaries are important so other people can understand what you are doing, so do take them seriously and try to leave something short but descriptive of what you are trying to do every time. --Jayron32 18:06, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

How do you Upload a photo?

How do you upload a photo?, I do the upload form and then what.Lydd-on-sea (talk) 07:54, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello Lydd-on-Sea. It is preferred that you upload photos to Wikimedia Commons so they can be used for other language wikis. Follow the upload link there and you will be taken through the process. If you are still having problems do ask here again.--Charles (talk) 08:11, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi! In the left hand side of your screen under the wikipedia icon, there are a few sections. In the toolbox section , Click upload file and after that, I feel you would get your way.Zince34' 08:12, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello!!...Please, try this Wikipedia:File_Upload_Wizard Good Luck!  Miss Bono (zootalk) 18:02, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

What wheat no advertising for auto mine, but others yes.

I cant we ptu an ad for my auto sotre, but page for mcdonalds yes? wht makes the difference wheat between a page wiki an ""ad" gets deletd and banned? wil not make auto pg but want to know why?KyoungAuto (talk) 05:06, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello Kyoung. That is because people outside of Wikipedia have written long, comprehensive books about the history of McDonalds, and other people have read those books and used that information in those books to write about McDonalds here at Wikipedia. What books have been written about your auto store? It should also be noted that the encyclopedia article about McDonalds is not an advertisement. It is an article about McDonalds, not an advertisement written by them to drum up business, rather it is written by people with no connection to McDonalds who are writing about it. I hope that all makes sense. --Jayron32 05:14, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Kyoung, and welcome to the Teahouse. Actually, it wouldn't have to be books. If your store has received significant coverage in newspapers or magazines it might be notable enough for an article. But chances are your store hasn't reacched that status yet.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 18:29, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Can You Leave Private Remarks

Can leave private remarks on an user talk page? If so, how? SmerkInYourEyes (talk) 00:12, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello, SmerkInYourEyes, and welcome to the Teahouse! If by "private" you mean as in a message that no-one else can see, then no, you'll need to use an instant messaging service (AIM, Y!M , Pidgin), a social networking site (Google plus, Facebook, MySpace), or you'll have to send an email. If the user has email enabled, there should be a link available when you are on their user or user talk page in the "Toolbox" section of the sidebar that will allow you to send them an email. I hope this information answers your question and happy editing! Technical 13 (talk) 00:33, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

This answers my question perfectly. This is an example of a well answered question. SmerkInYourEyes (talk) 00:37, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Note that you won't see the email link in the Toolbox unless both you and the other user have email enabled in your preferences. - David Biddulph (talk) 15:36, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Beyonce Pictures

I have a couple of pictures I took when she was in my caountry, and I was wodering which liscence I have to add to them to upload 'em to WP?? Thanks.  Miss Bono (zootalk) 19:44, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

It's your choice. If you don't mind not be attributed, you can release them into the public domain. Otherwise, you should probably stick with the default CC-BY-SA license. -- Ypnypn (talk) 19:57, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks  Miss Bono (zootalk) 20:03, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

I think I need a disambiguation page

Hi,

I posted this on the Talk page for the page I'm asking about: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Raw_Engineering, but I was told on Twitter I should ask the question again here.

The company I work for is often getting confused in media because the Wikipedia page with our name is associated to a company that is no longer known as raw engineering. Obviously we don't want to change their page or anything, but a disambiguation page would likely make sense to clarify that raw engineering at rawengineering.com is not the same as the raw engineering at the above URL (although the link on the right panel is right, many people don't look that closely).

Thanks in advance. Galbutnotgirl (talk) 19:22, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

The existing Raw Engineering article should be moved to Raw Striker as that is the company's actual current name. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 19:35, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Galbutnotgirl and welcome to the Teahouse. Is your company notable enough to have its own article on Wikipedia? That's the only way a disambiguation page could include you.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 18:33, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

I've also nominated the redirect for speedy deletion as having the redirect defeats the purpose of moving the page whereas there is a new company that has this name and they are not the same. Technical 13 (talk) 19:05, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

I don't know if our company is notable enough to have it's own page. I mainly wanted to avoid the public confusion that occurs because our company name brings up an incorrect page that is not associated with our company. This has caused confusion with press.

I would love to also have a page for the company on Wikipedia, but my main concern is fixing the confusion caused (which I think the redirect keeps in page).

Galbutnotgirl (talk) 02:46, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Mostly just cross posting from the Raw Engineering talk. I disagree that the Raw Engineering page needs to be deleted. The company Raw Striker Ltd used to operate as Raw Engineering until quite recently (2010) and many former customers of Raw Striker would only know them as Raw Engineering. Additionally, there are references in manuals, brochures, etc. which refer to Raw Engineering. I think that a disambiguation page makes sense, even if rawengineering is not yet a notable company as it does remove the confusion and still allows those who know Raw Striker as Raw Engineering to find what they are looking for. Additionally, if rawengineering (of rawengineering.com) is finding that they are "often getting confused in media because (of) the Wikipedia page" then I think that they probably do satisfy the notability requirements enough to warrant their own page. Nasty (talk) 18:21, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Tired of breaking rules...

I am constantly being accused of breaking the rules either directly or indirectly in the Copernican Principle page. Most of the times it is because of my lack of experience and knowledge that I unknowingly break a rule or broke a rule. Where can I find all the rules in Wikipedia? If I have broken a rule, can I be given a second chance to learn from my mistakes and never break the rule again? Or am I branded for life as a rule breaker who is religiously, politically, and psychologically motivated and possibly banned from ever participating in the Copernican Principle page again? I have been accused of nearly everything under the sun in the Copernican Principle Page. Every time I learn a new rule and fix the error of my ways, there is another rule, that I did not know, which gets broken. Diamondadnrs (talk) 19:22, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

It always happens at first. I am gonna post something on your talk page that might help. If you need some advice after that, just let me know. Happy editing.  Miss Bono (zootalk) 19:49, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello there Diamondadnrs - yes it can be overwhelming, but must remember that the rules are principles not civil code or exacting law. See Wikipedia:8 simple rules for editing our encyclopedia - if you start out by following these 8 simple rules, the rest should come naturally.Moxy (talk) 19:58, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello Diamondadnrs and welcome to the Teahouse! I've added the most complete welcome template that includes links to "most" of the policies and guidelines on Wikipedia just in case you really do want to read them all! Happy editing! Technical 13 (talk) 20:16, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Oh, and by the way. Hello and welcome to the Teahouse.  Miss Bono (zootalk) 20:22, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Diamondadnrs. Remember a couple things. The only stupid question is the one you don't ask, and, you cannot break Wikipedia. Anything you do can be undone, as I am sure you have found out! We have a guiding thought here in Wikiland. Be Bold! Might I suggest that you try editing on pages that are a little more concrete than an astronomical principle for a while, until you get the hang of things? Add some edits to your high school's, or your hometown's, page. In addition, you appear to be in what we call an edit dispute here, on a page that has a few dedicated editors. It might help if you ask for a third opinion there. Hope that helps, but please came back here with any questions you have! Gtwfan52 (talk) 20:43, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for the template and the 8 simple rules. I will try to follow your advice. Diamondadnrs (talk) 08:52, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

A page I created was deleted and I don't know why.

I just made a new page and it was deleted for it being on a fictitious object so it could never have enough references or sources. It was tagged for speedy deletion. I checked the list of reasons for speedy deletions and didn't see anything that would make my article valid to be tagged for a speedy deletion. SmerkInYourEyes (talk) 18:30, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

What's the link to that page??  Miss Bono (zootalk) 18:42, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi! Unfortunately there is no indication in your Contributions record that you ever worked on an article under this user account.You probably worked on it while you were not logged it. Please give us a link to the deleted page. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 18:43, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi, Eyes! You did work on it when you were signed in, but since it was deleted, it does not show in your contributions. The deleting admin deleted it as a hoax, but it may be not a hoax, but an in-universe item from a book. Admin's do have some discretion to speedily delete things that will never be an article. Your best bet would be to add some content to the novel's page. And before you try another article, I would suggest you read WP:GNG. That stands for "General Notability Guideline", but that pile of words simply means that those are our rules for what can and can't have an article. Encyclopedias write about what others are writing about. So unless some other author in a newspaper, magazine, or book is writing about what MR. Berry, etal, created for his book, you just don't have enough to write an article on it. Hope that clears things up. Gtwfan52 (talk) 18:54, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, Gtwfan52, it makes more sense now. SmerkInYourEyes (talk) 19:05, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello Again

Hey! I am back. I saw a picture on Wikipedia that someone took of the Joshua Tree Special Edition Box Set, and i was wondering if I can take a shot to the Box Set Edition of No Line on the Horizon I have at home?? and under what liscense should I upload it.  Miss Bono (zootalk) 13:29, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello again, Miss Bono. The best place to ask this exact question would be at Wikipedia:Media copyright questions, where you will get answers from people who specialize in dealing with questions about the copyright of pictures like this. Just a quick general note: the answer to "Is it OK if I upload (some copyrighted picture)?" is "It depends on exactly where and how you intend to use it." Wikipedia's criteria for using copyrighted works under a claim of "fair use" are located at WP:NFCC, and in general, you can only use a copyrighted work a) if no free alternative exists OR could be created and b) usually only in very specific places, such as the article about the subject itself. The packaging of audio recordings is thus ONLY allowed to be used in the specific article about the recording itself. However, you should not merely take my word on this, please do ask this question at the noticeboard I note above, and see what help people can give there. Does that help? --Jayron32 17:29, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Jayron.  Miss Bono (zootalk) 17:51, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Portals

How could I add an Article to a portal? Zince34 (talk) 08:29, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Your question could refer to different features. Please specify the article, the portal, and give an example of an article which is already added to a portal in the way you want. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:06, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

I've not created the article, it is in a work in progress stage here and I asked after it is created how can I move it to Zimbabwe and Cricket portals.Zince34 (talk) 05:40, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Those Portals are managed by the respective WikiProjects so it would be best to consult WT:WikiProject Cricket and WT:WikiProject Zimbabwe. -- Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 10:23, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! Zince34' 10:32, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Depending on what you mean by adding an article to a portal, we may be able to resolve it here. Maybe you don't know the right terminology and actually want to add the article to a WikiProject or a category. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:10, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

How to post a reply?

I'm sorry, I can't seem to figure out how to reply to threads in this forum? Anyway, thanks for the answers to my question regarding inline references, it works fine now!Child7 (talk) 23:14, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi Child7! It's okay, it can be confusing! If you look next to the section title (for example, in this section: "How to post a reply?" you'll see the [edit] button. Just simply click that, and respond by typing your response and signing your name (~~~~). Then hit preview, make sure it looks good, and hit save. I hope that helps :) SarahStierch (talk) 00:19, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

If you don't see the edit links for sections (which I think is actually the default), go to Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing and turn on 'enable section editing'. Revent (talk) 07:01, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Got it! Thank you!:)Child7 (talk) 12:54, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

problem linking to new article

I created my first article last night. A page for the Rory Gallagher album Notes from San Francisco. I actually expected more of a review before the article went live but it went right up I'm guessing because there were enough references to it from the Discography(?)

But I'm having a problem linking to the new article. The original link that I first checked seems to work. That is a link on the Gallagher discography. That link is where I started to create the page -- using the redirection you get when you click on a Wiki link that has no page. But I noticed another link in the discography (in the intro text, the link that works is in one of the boxes below). I tried manually re-editing the link using the link tool provided as a UI GUI icon and it seemed to find the page but then when I republished the page the link still isn't active. It just occurs to me this may just be a natural part of what happens when a page goes live, the links don't get propogated through the whole database right away and perhaps I'm just impatient but anyway I wanted to check. Mdebellis (talk) 21:13, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

I've noticed this in the past. Sometimes just verbalizing (or typing) a problem can help you figure out the answer. As soon as I finished this I thought again and realized the problem. I didn't realize that the links are case sensitive but they seem to be. I had the "f" in From as a small letter in the link text and it needs to be capitalized. At least I think that was the problem and that its fixed now. Still would welcome feedback ;) Mdebellis (talk) 21:22, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

You are correct, Mdebellis. Wikilinks are case sensitive. They must duplicate the article title exactly, unless you pipe to another title. I usually copy and paste the article title when I wikilink to be sure. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 21:28, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Inline References keep disappearing

Note:I just realized today to do my editing in the Sandbox, not by constantly saving the page...... My inline references keep vanishing. Sometimes when I preview, sometimes when I save. Help is appreciated. I tried to figure out if I needed to put reflist with double { on each side someplace in the inline reference for each citation, but that did not work either.

Thanks Child7 (talk) 21:10, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Child7, welcome to the Teahouse. There doesn't appear to be anything unusual about the page but I wonder if, when you are editing your sandbox, you are editing sections? If so then when you preview those they won't show the inline citations as there is no {{reflist}} in that section. This is one of the annoyances about editing sections rather than the whole article. The way round it is to add a reflist to a section while you are editing and previewing it, then remove the reflist before you press save. You definitely do not need a reflist next to each reference. NtheP (talk) 21:30, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

When working on an existing article like Peggy Lipton, it is best to work on the article itself, although you can try test edits in a sandbox. A sandbox is a great place to develop a new article, adding enough references to show notability. Then "move" the sandbox page to article space. The entire editing history will be preserved. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 21:35, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, it worked!Child7 (talk) 12:55, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

I am trying to find a place

To ask some question a little less related to wikipedia.  Miss Bono (zootalk) 18:01, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello there Miss Bono - always happy to see you here. See Help:Contents/Directory#Interactive assistance (help forums).Moxy (talk) 18:15, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi, Moxy... and I am alwys happy to hear from you. Thanks for the help. i aready asked my question at the Misc. section. ;)  Miss Bono (zootalk) 18:31, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

hey ya!

i was wondering... if I take a picture and modify it, will it work for upload it to Wikipedia??? Will it lose all its rights?? Miss Bono (zootalk) 14:36, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

The answer is almost definitely not. You need to give us more information. --Onorem♠Dil 14:46, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Ok, i have a pict (it looks like a shot from a normal person, not the press or a professional photographer) can i modify it (for a userbox) and upload it?? just wondering.  Miss Bono (zootalk) 14:50, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

If the picture was taken by somebody else, they hold the copyrights for that image (in most cases anyway) regardless of whether it was taken by a professional photographer/quality of the image etc. Modifying it doesn't transfer the rights of that image to you. See Commons:Derivative works for details. Chamal ^T•C 14:58, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Your language is unclear. If you took the picture yourself, then you will normally own the copyright, and you are free to modify it, and (providing you make the appropriate declaration when you upload it) you can use it in Wikipedia or any other Wikimedia project. But if you mean that you have found a picture somewhere, then you will not own the copyright and you may not upload it whether or not you have modified it. --ColinFine (talk) 14:58, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks and sorry... Miss Bono (zootalk) 15:16, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Don't be sorry Miss Bono. Copyright is a very tricky thing. A little friendliness, patience, and understanding and everyone can understand how copyright and photographs work more :) It sounds like, if you found the photo someplace else (i.e.a cool photo of Bono you found on a fan website, or a photo your cousin took even), you'd have to get a written statement from the copyright holder and mail it to our volunteer customer service team proving that they allow you to free the image into the world of open licensing and upload it to Commons/Wikipedia. However, it's often tough to get that permission, so it's best to use your own images, or images that are freely licensed (giving proper attribution.). You can read more about examples of free licensing here. I hope that helps a bit! :) SarahStierch (talk) 15:28, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

It sure helped! Thanks a lot. i wish my cousin could take a pict of Bono ;)...I really wish waaa :'( Miss Bono (zootalk) 15:33, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Sarah is right, Miss Bono. Image copyrights is one of the most complex areas on Wikipedia, and even among admins there are very few brave enough to deal with image copyright issues (and I'm sorry to say I'm not one of them) You learnt something new and avoided a mistake, so there's nothing to be sorry about. Chamal ^T•C 15:38, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

I made an image by myself to fill the image field for the userbox. Take a look to see if I made the right thing: File:U2_by_u2_book.png  Miss Bono (zootalk) 15:49, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello Miss Bono, I've found that it is often easier if you can get in touch with whomever took the photo to get them to upload it to commons and release it for everyone to use than it is to get written permission and make all of the appropriate arraignments of mailing stuff in and what not to prove permission to use. This is especially true if you know the person personally (like your cousin), sit down with them and help them upload it! Technical 13 (talk) 15:51, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

If you made that image yourself, as you say, then you are the original copyright owner, and you are entitled to release it into the public domain, and that is fine. You do realise that "Proud of own it" is not grammatical English? Your earlier version "Proud to own it" is. --ColinFine (talk) 22:02, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

As you may know (if you don't well, I am telling it to you now :D) English is not my first language and I made some grammatical mistake but I corrected as soon as I was aware of it. Thanks a lot.  Miss Bono (zootalk) 15:24, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Miss B, do you want it reverting back to the last version which say "Proud to own it"? NtheP (talk) 15:42, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

yep, it would help but I've heard that at the moment, the 200px version shows the second version/second upload of the file. And that it will be updated automatically by a bot within the next 24/36 hours. I am just waiting Miss Bono (zootalk) 15:50, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Ok, the image should update at some point. NtheP (talk) 15:57, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for all your help Nthep.  Miss Bono (zootalk) 16:02, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Ummm... Bot's don't update images generally speaking. You "may" need to clear your cache to see the current version of the file. Technical 13 (talk) 16:09, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Ohh, I see. Thnx... I'll work on that. But I see now a ne version of the image... Miss Bono (zootalk) 16:16, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

I deleted the old versions and a purge of the page now shows the correct "Proud to own it" version. Previously even a purge wasn't showing the correct version. NtheP (talk) 16:30, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Ok. Thanks again  Miss Bono (zootalk) 16:51, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Edit link

It seems I have made some (settings) changes recently, and the "edit" link is right beside section header (not at the corner_. I can't figure out what changes I made! --Tito Dutta (contact) 06:38, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi Tito, I think the Wikimedia (or whoever runs and owns Wikipedia) set the thing like this. I haven't changed any settings in a while, but today I log in I also see the [edit] button right beside the section header. Cheers. Arctic Kangaroo 06:49, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Oh, okay, here is a screenshot --Tito Dutta (contact) 06:58, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Same here. Arctic Kangaroo 07:03, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

If you want to put it back as it was, put

span.mw-editsection { float:right; }

into your /common.css file. - David Biddulph (talk) 07:27, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

• Worked perfect! Also meta:Change to section edit links --Tito Dutta (contact) 09:52, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

  Thanks for that link Titodutta, I was curious too. I thought it use to be a gadget that did that, but apparently not. Perhaps one should be made? Gadgets can be simple css code too. Technical 13 (talk) 11:58, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

my entire screen no longer looks like Wikipedia, what should I do?sincerly, zeroro 14:06, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

What are the problems you're having, Zeroro? It could be due the recent UI changes, or it could be a problem on your end. We'll probably be able to help you better if you can tell us the details. Chamal ^T•C 14:10, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

nevermind it just took a while for that to take effectsincerly, zeroro 14:12, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

What to do?

I have edited the Infobox of this page but it is not appearing in after the edit. What's wrong?Zince34 (talk) 06:18, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi Zince, welcome to the Teahouse! I just checked the infobox on that page, and I don't find anything wrong. Happy editing! Arctic Kangaroo 06:21, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi Artic, and did you click edit, go to the edit page and see column 5, i.e test cricket?Zince34 (talk) 06:51, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

 Fixed the documentation of Template:Infobox cricketer. Perhaps you want to check that everything is fine? Cheers. Arctic Kangaroo 07:04, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

But the article remains the same!Zince34 (talk) 07:10, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Sorry Zince, but I'm not very good at handling this sort of tech or code. Perhaps, someone else who passes by your question may know better. Cheers. Arctic Kangaroo 07:12, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

I've understood the problem. Thanks for the help!Zince34 (talk) 07:22, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Is this resolved? The discussion is unclear. If not, I'd be happy to take a peek... Technical 13 (talk) 11:55, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

This is resolved.Only four columns are allowed and I wrote on the fifth column!. Zince34 (talk) 07:28, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

New Article Page Needs YOUR Help!

I was researching Google Glass when I came across another form of a wearable computer called Epiphany Eyewear. I had two paragraphs written when "Reddogsix" came on the page and added a "Speedy Deletion" notice.

Can someone please help me do some work on this page so it does not get deleted? If Google Glass is OK for Wikipedia, then other forms of wearable computers should also be OK.

There's tons of data available for Epiphany Eyewear. But I'm just one person trying to make this page. If you have an interest in the wearable computer topic, please help. Or, tell me what I am doing wrong here. I'm fairly new.

Thanks for your help and consideration. 301man (talk) 03:36, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, 301man. The problem with the current version of the article is that it is referenced to company websites, which are not independent and don't show notability; and to a university student newspaper promoting the venture of an alumni. The Google product, on the other hand, has been discussed in many independent, reliable sources. So please read and understand WP:RS and demonstrate the notability of the product with high quality, independent sources. Here is a possible source. Feel free to ask further questions, and thank you for your efforts to improve the encyclopedia. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:32, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Just to add, if you're confident that, given enough time, you can write an article about Epiphany Eyewear that meets WP:42, then you should give WP:AFC a try. By creating a draft article there, it can't be speedily deleted, so long as it isn't (for example) a WP:COPYPASTE copyright violation. (Of course, if it turns out that the current article doesn't get speedily deleted, then there's no need to take this route.) --Demiurge1000 (talk) 05:52, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you VERY much for your comments and direction. The page was completely deleted. I spent hours of research and didn't keep a copy to even see what I did. Woke up today and it was vanished! Sad. Not fair. Wish I could see what it looked like one more time! I will start it again using your suggestions, just don't know when I'll be able to do it. Thanks again for your help. 301man (talk) 17:31, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello there 301man... pls see Why was the page I created deleted? an essay about the reasons why it may have been deleted. It also has a section that explains the "several" options available for you to gain a copy of the work (page).Moxy (talk) 18:07, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you ALL for your feedback. Seems like I'm spending more time being hammered by two people (Eeekster and JamesBWatson) than helped. I'd rather spend time researching and improving things. I'm very confused and frustrated. If any of you will help me keep a page I'm working on Erick Miller to NOT be deleted, that would be great! I bumped into Miller a few times in California and I believe he's onto some world changing technology. Your help is appreciated. Thank you 301man (talk) 22:06, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello and welcome back to the Teahouse 301man! I want you to be aware that just because your article was deleted, does not mean it is gone. Quite often in the case of an article being deleted that was still in "draft stages" if the article is not a blatant copyright violation, you can leave a message on the deleting administrator's talk page explaining the situation and request that they WP:USERFY the article to your userspace and you can place the {{Userspace draft}} tag at the top of the page or you can request that it be undeleted to, in this case, WT:Articles for creation/Epiphany Eyewear and add the {{subst:AFC submission|T}} tag at the top of the page, for further development as a draft. I hope this helps and alleviates some of your concerns of hours of work "lost". You may want to read up on WP:Writing your first article and you may want to use the Article Creation Wizard. Happy editing! Technical 13 (talk) 22:24, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Is date of birth for notable people a security risk?

I'm sure this must have been approached before but can't seem to find any answers on it. I was working on an article for an author that I know of... and have listed his DOB. But, that raised to my personal inquiry on whether having date of births and birth locations accessible to the public poses a privacy risk of information? Technically speaking, having those two pieces of information along with perhaps a SS # would allow some people to pull credit reports on high profile individuals allowing a LOT of information to be gained. B4theword (talk) 14:25, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Such information can only be included in a WP article if it has already been published elsewhere. You've also pointed out that one would need the person's SSN or other identity number as applicable for their country, so a DOB alone is fairly useless. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 14:29, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

If its public knowledge, no. Example. If a birthdate is provided, May 8, how many have a May 8th birthdate? Do you mean that nobody could think of a May 8th date on their own?? OR how about the fact that the SSDI, Social Security Death Index, is online...you mean a scammer couldnt go there and get some old SSNs?? OR birth certs, etc etc etcCoal town guy (talk) 14:30, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

WP:BLPPRIVACY covers this briefly. We should have a presumption in favour of privacy for personal information like dates of birth and full birth names. Sionk (talk) 14:42, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

If the person is highly notable, a "celebrity" or genuinely famous person, and if their birthplace and date of birth has been published already in several reliable sources, then it is perfectly acceptable to include this information. What is not acceptable is for a Wikipedia editor to do any type of original research to uncover this information, such as searching primary sources like government databases. Marginally notable people are entitled to a modicum of privacy, and Wikipedia editors summarize reliable secondary sources. We don't "ferret out the facts". Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:32, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Good to know about it being previously published etc, as I was wondering if I ought to delete it from the article I'm revamping. But I think most of the world knew when Sir Edmund Hillary's son was born, since he himself was so incredibly famous at the time, so I suppose I can leave it in, then. ScarletRibbons (talk) 14:12, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Okay, then on this note, I have been working on Jason Stadtlander's page. I have a true DOB and location from his cousin who is an illustrator of one of his books. However the DOB and location are not published anywhere I can find to reference. So... Do I use what she gave me for the page? (is general proximity better than nothing at all?) I deleted them (You'll see it in the Diff). So if you think it should be put back in place, feel free to either let me know or take care of it yourself. B4theword (talk) 19:29, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

How to not repeat a source 6x

I need to source a simple bullet-pointed list of 6 awards received that I have added to an article. They were all listed on the subject's official web page in a similar list, so the source for them all is that single web page. Obviously I don't want *citation clutter* going on with the footnote repeating itself in the References section 6x. But I can't seem to find anything that tells you how to condense that (you know, how some articles have 5 a, b, c etc going on when a source is used more than once). Is there a template for that? A snippet of code to add to the regular code? Would it be acceptable to just add the citation to the very last award on the list? Or would I be better off using a semi-colon riddled paragraph instead of the list? TYVM in advance. ScarletRibbons (talk) 15:07, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Welcome back to the Teahouse, ScarletRibbons! I remember being quite confused by that as well at first. Instead of opening with <ref>, you would open the citation with <ref name="something short to call it">. For example, if it were a book by Peter Laufer, I would probably put <ref name="Laufer">. Then, for all of the following times you use that reference, instead of putting the whole citation, you would put <ref name="what you called it" />. Happy editing! öBrambleberry of RiverClan 15:21, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

TYVM for the fast service :-D Just to make sure I'm clear, the quotation marks are necessary, yes? ScarletRibbons (talk) 21:38, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Not strictly speaking, if there is no space in the name they are not required.--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 21:43, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

I think the usual style for that specific kind of thing is to introduce the list with a clause, and then cite that, like this, vaguely...my list contains the following:^[1]

• this little thing,
• this little thing,
• and of course, this one.

That's what I think I see the most. Or, if you're using multiple pages from the same source, you can just use one named reference, repeat it like Brambleberry said, and then use TEMPLATE:RP to make something like this...^[a]

Revent (talk) 01:38, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Oh, that *clause* idea is excellent! And TYVM for the template link as well, I *think* I've got it now! Sorry for the delay in response, I've been off looking for sources for this article, which has hardly any & has been flagged for it, so I'm pretty much giving it a rewrite to correspond with the plethora of them I've unearthed. Y'all are SO helpful here! :-D ScarletRibbons (talk) 14:06, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Cannes Film Festival Red Carpet Walk Free image

I submitted this question using "Ask a question" box, don't know where it got submitted, can't see it. Re-submitting manually clicking on "edit" link. If it gets duplicated, delete this question

Can anyone suggest any site which offers free image of Cannes Film Festival Red Carpet Walk? I need one of Paoli Dam's red carpet walk in 2011. --Tito Dutta (contact) 06:27, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi Tito, do any of the files at this Commons search appeal to you? —teb728 t c 06:40, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Searched there! No! I need Paoli Dams 2011 red carpet walk! --Tito Dutta (contact) 06:44, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

I think it's rather unlikely that you'll just come across a free image of a red carpet event on the internet, since most professional photographers don't like to release copyrights for their work. Most such images here/at Commons are taken with explicit permission from a photographer or from Flickr (where such photographs are sometimes released under a CC license compatible with our policies) but a quick search didn't reveal anything like that for Paoli Dam. Your best bet would be to find a photograph, and then ask the photographer for permission to use it on Wikipedia through WP:OTRS. Chamal ^T•C 06:57, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

I'll keep the "requesting permission" as the last option, I have had a terrible experiences there. I have just posted a suggestion --Tito Dutta (contact) 08:28, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

You want to verify this, as I'm not actually rereading the policies to see exactly how are stated as I write this, but you should be able to search for a 'web' copy of the television coverage. Then, extract (or ask someone else to) the still image that you want. Crop the image and reduce the resolution to an appropriate size. At this point, your use of the television still is 'fair use' (she was an incidental part of their coverage that you are illustrating), and the actual image itself is a creative 'derived work' that you own copyright in. You can then put it under the Creative Commons License. Essential to all this is that you maintain attribution for the 'original' still. Revent (talk) 00:35, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

The 'creative' part is your choice of exactly how to reformat the image for this context, btw. Revent (talk) 00:46, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

I'm afraid that won't work. Cropping a television still may be "fair use" in some contexts, but we don't permit it here... unless, perhaps, the article in question is specifically about Paoli Dam's appearance at Cannes in 2011. Our requirements are more stringent than simply "is it legal"? Powers ^T 01:13, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

You're right, as 'mere illustration' it totally fails #8. Glad I 'qualified' what I said. Revent (talk) 04:36, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

What is wrong with my signature?

Hi. I recently switched from my default signature on Wikipedia to a more complex one, which involves multiple types of formatting. However, when attempting to save the new signature (under Special:Preferences), the messages " •  There are problems with some of your input" (at the top of the page) and "Invalid raw signature. Check HTML tags." (to the right of the box for inputting the signature) were displayed. I made sure that the box was checked below to treat the signature as wiki markup. I do not know what is causing the signature to fail, as it displays properly when it is manually placed onto talk pages. This is the exact text of the signature:
<span style="text-decoration: overline underline"><big>|</big><font color=#00FF0F>[[User:JPæst|J]]</font><font color=#00FFFF>[[Special:Contributions/JPaestpreornJeolhlna|~]]</font><font color=#0000FF>[[User talk:JPæst|Pæst]]</font><big>|</big></span>
Which displays as:
|J~Pæst|
Could someone tell me what is wrong with this signature and how it should be changed? Thanks. — |J~Pæst|  01:22, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

I would love to help you with this! I have a couple questions first. Why is the username attached to your Special:Contributions different than the one that your User: and User_talk: link to? Are you aware that the font element is deprecated in HTML 4.0 Transitional, invalid in HTML 4.0 Strict, and not part of HTML5? I'm assuming your signature "should" be: <span style="text-decoration: overline underline;"><big>|</big>[[User:JPaestpreornJeolhlna|<span style="color: #00FF0F;">J</span>]][[Special:Contributions/JPaestpreornJeolhlna|<span style="color: #0FF;">~</span>]][[User talk:JPaestpreornJeolhlna|<span style="color: #00F;">Pæst</span>]]<big>|</big></span> which will look like |J~Pæst| and if that doesn't fix it, I'm wondering if your non-latin character is causing an issue... Technical 13 (talk) 01:41, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, Technical 13. To answer your first question, I used the shorter name ("JPæst") merely to shorten the signature so that it would fit within the allotted space for the signature's markup. "User:JPæst" is a redirect to User:JPaestpreornJeolhlna, and "User talk:JPæst" is a redirect to User talk:JPaestpreornJeolhlna as well. Also, I was not aware that the font elements are deprecated; thank you for pointing that out! As for the non-ASCII character, "æ", I am almost completely certain that it is not the problem. When I tried replacing the character with "ae", for example, the same messages were displayed—instead of saving the signature. Unfortunately, the new signature you provided does not work either, even without the "æ" character. Do you know what might be causing this? — |J~Pæst|  02:35, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

I think the length of your signature is the issue here. The entire code for the signature can't be more than 255 characters, and the signature text box in your preferences automatically truncates the code at that length IIRC. I'm guessing that since part of the code would go missing in this case, it would of course be invalid HTML. Chamal ^T•C 02:57, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Your original signature is accepted if the font color is in quotation marks and it stays within the 255-character limit. The signature suggested by Technical breaks the limit and is truncated, leaving it misformatted. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:00, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: Why do the font colors need to be located within quotation marks, even though the code does not require it? — |J~Pæst|  03:39, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

I don't know the details of when quotation marks around attributes are optional or mandatory in HTML (in XHTML they are mandatory). Browsers are forgiving about many things. I simply tested your signature to see what was required there. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:35, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Even <u><span style="text-decoration: overline;"><big>|</big>[[User:JPæst|<span style="color: #3F3;">J</span>]][[Special:Contributions/JPaestpreornJeolhlna|<span style="color: #0FF;">~</span>]][[User talk:JPæst|Pæst]]<big>|</big></span></u> is 235 characters and should work... I removed  your #0000FF  because it is so close to  the default link color  Technical 13 (talk) 14:11, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Okay... So, yeah... Scripts and bots don't follow redirects, so your user talk shouldn't be a redirect... Luckily, <u><span style="text-decoration: overline;"><big>|</big>[[User:JPæst|<span style="color: #3F3;">J</span>]][[Special:Contributions/JPaestpreornJeolhlna|<span style="color: #0FF;">~</span>]][[User talk:JPaestpreornJeolhlna|Pæst]]<big>|</big></span></u> is 250 characters and "just" within limits. This will make scripts (like the one I used for your talk-back) and bots actually post to your active talk page and not the redirect page. Happy editing!!! Technical 13 (talk) 00:31, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for all your help! I'll definitely use these ideas—I greatly appreciate them. ☺ — |J~Pæst| 04:43, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Is this blog OK?

Hi, I am currently writing an article about butterflies. I have long known about this blog and I find it quite reliable and the info is accurate and written with reference to notable, scientific books. As I know Wikipedia finds blogs unreliable sources, I just want to ask if this blog will be considered reliable if I use it as a source in my article. Thanks. :) Arctic Kangaroo 15:24, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Indded! That's an excellent blog! It is unfortunate that they are not using a custom domain! --Tito Dutta (contact) 16:18, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Like you said this looks like a special case, although personally my approach would be to try and find the original sources which those blog articles reference. That said, I think Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard might be a better place for this question, as the editors there would probably be the Wikipedia experts on sources. Chamal ^T•C 16:24, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

While blogs are generally non-RS, some are deemed as exceptions... E.g. "Official" blogs ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 06:10, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

This looks like a fun blog, and I will probably subscribe. However, this is by two anonymous writers without citations; there is no way to know how accurate the information is. -68.107.137.178 (talk) 14:45, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

For me, I have some of those books. Pretty reliable, actually. And, I also know some of those people. Arctic Kangaroo 15:27, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Does the blog list their names? I spent some time searching and could not find them. Can you post a link? Do they have any credentials or documented experience, publications? -65.129.159.247 (talk) 19:33, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

My suggestion is to use the actual books they get the information from as references yourself, since you have them. It's more useful for readers, or future editors who want to elaborate on the article. Also, it's a more authoritative source, if for nothing else than the fact the blog could have typos, etc.

Since they give sources, it'd really only appropriate to use the blog as as source for the statement 'this blog says that', unless you've personally tracked down each of their cites, and then citing the blog would be redundant.

Sources don't need to be available online. The requirement is that sufficient citation exists that an interested person can properly identify the reference and verify the cite.

You can still point readers to the blog, and inform them of your use of it, as a 'general reference' instead of an actual citation.

Revent (talk) 00:16, 6 May 2013 (UTC) Nevermind, he's a 'topical expert'. I read the 'blog' part and thought it was just a well researched 'anonymous amateur' site. It just needs to be clear that it's 'his' site (i.e. that the authors are specifically named in the citation. Revent (talk) 03:34, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Reply IP: Everything's here. And BTW, that "Commander" is the person mentioned in the link, and Horace is a early stages expert in tthe group.

• Looking around more, I think what you should do is use ButterflyCircle in the "publisher" field of your citation, and make it a link to this page. Normally you wouldn't use an external link there, but I think it's ok here in order to establish the blog as a 'reliable source'. Revent (talk) 03:44, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Corrections of bad punctuation reverted

Hello all. Since having joined not long ago I've been adding commas to articles where they have been missing. These are commas that are required to set off non-restrictive appositives. Here are some examples:

London, England, is the largest city in Britain

Charles, Prince of Wales, is a member of the British monarchy

She was a student at Magdalen College, Oxford, for five years

I'm on holiday from June 1, 2013, onwards

There are many occasions on Wikipedia where the second comma isn't present, and thus the sentence is ungrammatical. A lack of commas where they are required also distorts the meaning of the sentence. The second commas aren't optional. They must be present for the sentence to make sense.

Some such corrections I've made recently were reverted and challenged. Two editors both thought I was adding serial commas. One editor thought it looked like there were too many commas. This is where some people get confused. I'll demomstrate with some lists.

The first sentence below contains a serial comma, the second doesn't. The serial comma is, of course, optional. It's not required for most sentences to make sense. (In some cases it helps but let's not get into that now; let's not complicate things.)

He was educated at Eton College, Rugby School, and Magdalen College, Oxford.

He was educated at Eton College, Rugby School and Magdalen College, Oxford.

Now let's say that our fictional student, he, whoever he is, didn't go to Eton at all but instead continued his studies at the Sorbonne.

He was educated at Rugby School, Magdalen College, Oxford, and the Sorbonne.

That's a list with three items. The comma after Oxford is required because it closes the appositive of Magdalen College which is Oxford. This comma can't simply be removed. Without it, the sentence's meaning is different.

I managed to explain to some editors why the absence of a comma in such a place is wrong. But two more editors simply don't understand or haven't attempted to. One says that they don't want to get into a "pedantic discussion" and that my edits look "like an attempt to enforce one variety of English on articles it doesn't belong to"

My edits haven't been accepted and that seems to be the end of the matter. The error still persists on the article.

Is there someone senior here who knows their way around the English language and can settle this dispute? Inglok (talk) 00:47, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse, Inglok! I feel your pain. However, wikipedia is such a large place and there are so many articles that need these fixes. I agree that you are right, however, having been here actively just a few short months myself, I know that your best bet is to just let it go on those articles for awhile. You can always get back around to them later (give it a couple months). A couple commas, no matter how important to the sentence structure isn't worth getting in an edit war about. Quite plainly, it's the difference between knowing your shit or knowing you're shit. Or perhaps in this case, it's the difference of helping your uncle, Jack, off the horse or helping your uncle jack off the horse. (using these examples makes the people that don't get it catch on sometimes, and it's fun if it doesn't ) Technical 13 (talk) 00:58, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, Technical, but I'd quite like to get the bottom this. Inglok (talk) 01:03, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

I'm just about to head to bed myself, but if you can offer some links to some pages, I'm sure someone will be by shortly that can assist you further. Technical 13 (talk) 01:06, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, Technical. The most recent dispute is about Prince Harry of Wales of all articles. Here's the latest sentence in question: Prince Henry of Wales is the younger son of Charles, Prince of Wales and Diana, Princess of Wales. My first edit was undone by Fat&Happy. I spoke with Fat&Happy who agreed that I could put the comma back. I did. Then it was undone again, this time by GimliDotNet. I put a message on GimliDotNet's talk page but I got no reply. I again put the comma back. It was again undone, this time by Leaky_caldron. Now, I'm not sure of the difference between an edit being undone and not accepted, but either way the result is the same: my edit is in some way being rejected. Inglok (talk) 01:20, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

I should say that, for the sake of clarity, I didn't include some content of the sentemce in question, namely two parenthetical clauses. These don't affect the jist of the sentence and therefore the validity of my argument. The full sentence can be seen on the article. Inglok (talk) 01:32, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Oooh, don't touch anything on that page again. They're gonna get ya on that 3RR thingy! Plus, the usage has changed on inserting commas in groups (apples, oranges, and bananas, for example). When I was a kid you didn't dare put a comma before the *and*. Now it's accepted practice & OK. And you have to read the sentence's context. If a comma wouldn't ordinarily go after *England* as far as the sentence flows, then you don't put one there just because *London* precedes it. For example, I would never write a sentence like, "John of Gaunt, Duke of Lancaster, took Constance of Castile as his second wife in order to pursue his claim to the Castilian crown". Because that comma after *Lancaster* doesn't go with the sentence's flow. I wouldn't say "John of Gaunt, took Constance...", would I? That's what your commas after titles are implying, that a comma is required after the subject of the sentence, & it isn't. So I can see why people are taking them out, sorry. JMHO. ScarletRibbons (talk) 03:16, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry, ScarletRibbons, but your comment makes no sense. Inglok is quite right on the basic question and is also correct that there are missing commas in these situations all over Wikipedia. I myself frequently add commas after expressions of the "June 1, 2013" and "London, England" sort when I run across them in articles. The main problem is that few people are familiar with the niceties of traditional punctuation style, so that they tend to confuse the use of commas to separate things, as in series, with the use of commas to enclose things, as in nonrestrictive appositives. (By the way, Inglok, in your example "He was educated at Rugby School, Magdalen College, Oxford, and the Sorbonne" I'd use semicolons for the series punctuation—"He was educated at Rugby School; Magdalen College, Oxford; and the Sorbonne"—to prevent ambiguity.) I think Inglok may want to join the Guild of Copy Editors or at least to bring up problems like this on their talk page, where he or she is likely to meet with a more informed and sympathetic response. Perhaps the members there can recommend appropriate tactics for dealing with the resistance of other editors to simple copyedits. Deor (talk) 07:16, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

I'm afraid I can't resist mentioning that "London, England, is the largest city in Britain" is not British English as she is writ. It's only American English that has this "New York, New York" thing. Thus this particular example falls under WP:ENGVAR. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 23:32, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

I wondered about that, Demiurge, but I am a bit less sure now. I asked someone whom I regard as an authority and she thought it might have a touch of ENGVAR but was not sure. Inglok has produced some references, but I think at least some of them are US sources - certainly one was a usage guide from Princeton. I would like to see some reliable UK sources which make it clear whether that appositive comma is or is not required in BrE. Inglok has been very persuasive (as well as polite and tolerant, giving the bashing they've had!) over this, but in fact although their arguments are well-put I still don't see anything absolutely definitive which says it must be used in BrE - just an assertion from them that it is so. In other words, I accept that it is correct in AmE but I am not yet convinced that it is - or is not - correct in BrE, and I would like to be shown, in RSs, definitively one way or the other. One problem, though, is certainly that Inglok is being misunderstood - they are working quite specifically on this question of appositives and people are popping up LR&C to say no no you don't put an Oxford comma there and really it just makes it all more obscure; Inglok is then being lectured on something they didn't do! I think that Deor's suggestion of taking it to GOCE might be wise - IF agreement can be reached that it is correct in all flavours of English then fine, it should say so somewhere and then the argument - and references to it - can be centralized, and people correcting it can say see MOS:APPOSCOMMA or whatever in their edit summary. Otherwise, Inglok is going to have to continue fighting this same battle on thousands of pages, especially those on BrE-related topics, and it's going to get messy. I say centralize the argument, produce reliable sources, have an agreed approach to which we can refer on edit summaries and talk pages. I don't want to read any more on what individual editors think about this comma - their views are (with all due respect) boring, unreliable and they often don't even understand the point. I want to read unchallengably reliable sources which specifically deal with it in BrE. Nothing else is any good here. 82.45.217.156 (talk) 07:48, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Declaration of interest: I'm British. I don't want to challenge other editors but I do think it might be interesting, given that we seem mostly to be discussing BrE usage here. 'Nuff said. I am stfu now for a while; a long while, I hope. Love, light and peace (thank you Spike) to all, 82.45.217.156 (talk) 09:28, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

"'London, England, is the largest city in Britain' is not British English"? I'm British, and that is exactly how I would write it. I can't even imagine what alternative you would prefer, Demiurge1000. Maproom (talk) 07:18, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

The place to discuss edits is on the article talk page. If you discussed the first reversion there instead of on the r3verting editor's talk page the other editors might have seen the discussion and not reverted you. It is not too late. Don't revert again, but post on the article talk page, and readh a consensus there, then correct the punctuation. Once you have consensus for the edit on the article talk page, you will not be at risk of 3RR because other editors will revert to support the consensus for you. Try it with all the articles, and you may gain a supporting army. -198.228.216.147 (talk) 13:10, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

I don't see how that works. The OP is talking about hundreds, probably thousands, of articles - they surely can't have a separate discussion of this on each talk page? I still think that it needs centralized discussion in one appropriate place - that is what would give the army of supporters. Discussing it over many talk pages will only annoy many people. Centralize the discussion, gain consensus in one crdible place, refer back to that consensus when making the change. 82.45.217.156 (talk) 08:50, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

The poster is having the discussions on multiple '"user talk pages, and theses should be a single discussion on the article talk page. The example the user gave is one article being discussed on 3-4 different editors' talk pages. Yes, a discussion about the punctuation changes can be had in a central, community location and linked back to. But the place to link to, in order to prevent edit wars,.must be linked to on the article discussion page, when a question about the edit arises. Centralizing the discussion, reaching consensus, then posting that consensus on editor talk pages each time will not reduce the edit wars. -198.228.216.175 (talk) 15:03, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

• TLDR, skimmed tho. The relevant section of the MOS is MOS:SERIAL, at least for the case of everything except London, England, and the like. The reference for those is the third second example in MOS:COMMA. It's a matter of logical punctuation, not common usage. Revent (talk) 05:20, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

BTW, the 'correct' pointing is: He was educated at Rugby School; Magdalen College, Oxford; and the Sorbonne. Revent (talk) 06:19, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Looking at Prince Harry of Wales, the lead I see

Prince Henry of Wales (Henry Charles Albert David, born 15 September 1984), commonly known as Prince Harry, is the younger son of Charles, Prince of Wales and Diana, Princess of Wales.

is, strangely enough, correct. It's an exception, because in "Charles, Prince of Wales" the comma is not separating a modifier. "Charles, Prince of Wales", including the comma, is a proper name. It's not the same as writing "Harry is the son of Charles, son of Whosis, and Diana, daughter of Whatsis." You're not adding a serial comma, but it's still wrong in that specific place. Revent (talk) 06:43, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you

Resolved

Thank you very much for suggesting some modifications for my signature. I've choosen modification #1 :) Mohammad Sabbir♥ 13:05, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Excellent. Glad I could help. Technical 13 (talk) 13:35, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

User Infobox needed

I need a user infobox to describe my info in my user page . Where can i get them and Which one should i use? Mohammad Sabbir♥ 13:09, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

You may be interested in {{Infobox user}}, that is the one I use on my user page (feel free to take a look). Happy editing! Technical 13 (talk) 13:31, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Barnstars

Can you please tell me What are barnstars and how can i get them? :) Mohammad Sabbir♥ 17:25, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. A barnstar is a form of what we call "Wiki-Love". You get barnstars from fellow Wikipedians for having done something they appreciate. For example, I have received lots of barnstars for things ranging from reverting vandalism to helping write and maintain articles to making a funny joke. You can't really set out to get barnstars, but they are a nice surprise. Go Phightins! 17:30, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

thanks friend Mohammad Sabbir♥ 17:37, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

LOL Phightins, are you bragging about your barnstars? Ya know, lots of other people get barnstars too. Just saying. Also, worthy of noting, you may also get badges from time to time in addition to barnstars. Technical 13 (talk) 17:46, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Facepalm Wasn't trying to brag, sorry. Go Phightins! 17:56, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

I was editing for over 5 years before I got my first barnstar. It wasn't until I began to give barnstars out to others that I started receiving them. Give some love and get some in return!--Amadscientist (talk) 18:01, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

war for Mogadishu-number of Pakistani casualties

Dear Wikipedia you mentioned one Pakistani dead in that operation but the fact is there were around 24 Pakistani troops who lost their lives in operation Black Hawk Down. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.185.80.37 (talk) 19:26, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello 182.185.80.37, welcome to the Teahouse. Presumably you are referring to the 24 Pakistanis troops killed 5 June 1993 in the conflict leading up to Black Hawk Down. This is reported in Battle of Mogadishu (1993)#Mission shift. The subject of the article, however, is the battle of 3 and 4 October 1993, where one additional Pakistani was killed. —teb728 t c 23:25, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Image gallery

Can someone tell me how to create an image gallery and how can i use it on my user page ? Mohammad Sabbir♥ 02:54, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello Mohammad, Does Wikipedia:Picture_tutorial#Galleries tell you what you want to know? —teb728 t c

afd

Can i remove the Afd tag from my article Comme Chez Soi now ? Mohammad Sabbir♥ 15:20, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi and welcome to the teahouse (again). No, you can't remove the tag until the discussion is over but you can vote in the discussion. ^King Jakob _C2 15:44, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

would you tell me the process of voting please ? Mohammad Sabbir♥ 16:22, 13 May 2013 (UTC)