Talk:Control of cities during the Syrian civil war

Qadiriyah

Since LightandDark2000 (talk · contribs) regularly deletes all my questions on his talk page, I will ask him here (now and in the future), so it can stay visible:

LightandDark2000, could You please point me to the sentence in the article Tenê 5 K.M ji bo Bendavê Teşrîn maye! that You used as a reference for changing village of Qadiriyah (article needs disambiguation page :) ) to yellow? Also, since you used kurdish-language source, tell us do You speak Kurdish language?--Hogg 22 (talk) 18:00, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

Also, I would like that the same user explain this edit. I don't see any proof that YPG took Aldbshih. It is somewhere between YPG held Khirbat Hadlah (Khirbet Hadla) and Tishrin Dam but dam could have been reached from north, not necessarily from the east.

This user was already blocked for a month for breaking the rules and I won't hesitate to call an admin again. --Hogg 22 (talk) 18:11, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

I want just to clarify that aldbshih (or actually: al-Dibsiyah) is not at lat = "36.3294", long = "38.5844" but here: http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=36.324617&lon=38.337801&z=16&m=b Roboskiye (talk) 21:39, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

I had my reasons, involving 3 sources I had seen. I believe that my argument as it is right now is moot, so I will withhold it until I believe it has become relevant enough to mention. But from what I had gleaned, it appeared that there were 2 axis of advance by the SDF forces, from the north and the east (after clashes with ISIL forces near Khirbet Hadla). BTW, please be careful. It appears that you made at least 2 reverts within a day, and I want to caution you against violating the sanctions, because so many users got blocked this year (and the year before) for treading beyond the red line. By the way, please refrain from using threats, like you did in your last post. Wikipedia is a place for positive contributions, not attacking or harassing other editors. LightandDark2000 (talk) 07:14, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

Sources for any change must be cited. You can't simply say, "I saw something, somewhere, saying (x)." Doing this means that anyone can just say, "I saw something staying that (insert town name here) was taken by (insert group user supports here)." This doesn't work. Also, I'm calling you a hypocrite, LightDark. You caution someone against threatening you, then mentioning that this person has committed a bannable offense. DaJesuZ (talk) 10:10, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

Could someone who spears Arabic check this edit and see if source justifies the edit. --Hogg 22 (talk) 19:38, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

https://www.facebook.com/Raqqa.Sl/posts/1118451118166138 https://www.facebook.com/LCCSy/posts/1286663958027404 those two sources,the first source reports helicopter landing in Sykol,the other one reports a land mine from Daesh remnants was exploded in ‪#‎SyKol‬ village. notice it clearly states a landmine from Daesh remnent 3 martyrs were reported,if ISIS was in the village it would have reported Landmine exploded and killed ISIS fighter,the key is remnent,Remnent is only used in the case the ruling power isn't in the area,which clearly proves that the village is controlled by the other side (SDF-YPG),and it is impossible that the SDF rules such an isolated village without securing the surrounding villages,plus Hawarnews confirms that YPG has launched an assault to clear villages west of Ayn Issa.Alhanuty (talk) 22:11, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

Alhanuty, I'm reverting your edit (original edit. Sorry, but I only see mention of village of Sykol (which I will leave yellow, although this is far from enough for change black to yellow). Please don't take too much freedom in "reading between lines" from sources. --Hogg 22 (talk) 14:29, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

Don't revert,every source is confirming it,alot of maps are confirming it.Alhanuty (talk) 14:31, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

How can YPG control it,if ISIS controls the surrounding.Alhanuty (talk) 14:32, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

Alhanuty, We have no idea who controls area between Sykol and Khirbet Hadla so Sykol doesn't have to be surrounded. Regarding Your claim that sources confirm SDF control villages/peaks Dibsiyah, Bir al-Ama, Abu Safayah, Shallal, Jubb al-Qidarah, Abdul Kulaib cliffs, Khirbet Hadla and al-Haymar, please specify source for each of them. If source is not in English, please copy corresponding text in Arabic and give us English translation. --Hogg 22 (talk) 15:09, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

Here are the villages, one by one:

Dibsiyah:

Bir al-Ama:

Abu Safayah:

Shallal:

Jubb al-Qidarah:

Abdul Kulaib cliffs:

Khirbet Hadla:

al-Haymar:

It is hard to mention all these villages,no source mentions all villages they mention the important ones.Alhanuty (talk) 16:42, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

So, villages are not mentioned by name and You somehow came to conclusion that they are under SDF control. Please, explain how did Yopu come to conclusion that exactly these villages were taken. You must understand that arguments You gave so far are not nearly enough to justify Your edits. If You don't give us concrete answer, we will just have to revert Your edits. Thanks for understanding. --Hogg 22 (talk) 17:37, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

P.S. I found two villages names Sykol: Siyahah (Saykul) and Saykul / Ma'rufah.

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I just found news on Twitter that SDF liberated 5 villages. The biggest one is Qadiriyah, the one from the title of our conversation. Here is the map that shows exactly where these 5 villages are. The map is wikimapia printscreen with frontline visible. The frontline is obviously made based on our map. You can see that villages that are taken by SDF today are looooooong way from "our" frontline which proves that "our" frontline has nothing to do with reality. So, please, let's stop painting everything to yellow without good source. I recommend to paint black everything south of Qadiriyah. --Hogg 22 (talk) 17:48, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

And this is what twitter users think of us: Wiki is not neutral/pro-YPG. --Hogg 22 (talk) 18:11, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

https://www.facebook.com/Raqqa.Sl/posts/1122835967727653 villages between Qadiriyah and Sykol under YPG control via https://www.facebook.com/Raqqa.Sl/posts/1122835967727653 for locations west of Sykol,you can change them to black,but the area exactly between Sykol and Qadiriyah to stay yellow,plus this government map proves that Sykol is in the way south at the border with Raqqa http://aleppo.moh.gov.sy/img_areas/reef/3enal3arab/3enal3arab.jpg .Alhanuty (talk) 18:46, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

Alhanuty Hogg 22 Today SDF take the villages of Qadrya, Ali Shumary, Husainya, Tarakaa, Abu Shahin, Al-Habsawi.sourcesourcesourcesourcesource but I only find (Abu Shahin, Al-Habsawi) but can't find the rest of the village. Maybe you can help. Sûriyeya (talk) 20:03, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

Sûriyeya, Qadrya = Qadiriyah, I can't find the rest (Ali Shumary, Husainya, Tarakaa) either. Sometimes it helps to follow multiple twitter news sources because different users can report the same news with different transliteration of Arabic names, which might give You an alternative "route" to identifying villages. --Hogg 22 (talk) 20:48, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

SDF retake Kerdoşan, Kadriye Şêx, Ali Şemarî, Ebu Majd.source Sûriyeya (talk) 11:24, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

Hogg 22 So if SDF only yesterday taken the village of Kerdoshan,Qadiriyah,Al-Mustarihah and some other the villages. Areas where located these villages earlier have been wrongly marked as SDF-held. And this the indirect indication the fact that villages of Marwana, Jubb al-Qidarah, Shallal, Al Haymar, Sykol and Khirbet Hadla still ISIS-held. Or at least some of them. Sûriyeya (talk) 11:59, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

Based on this discussion, I will, for now, leave Sykol yellow, as well as villages between Sykol and Qadiriyah, but I will put back to black villages west of it. If You someone wants to change them to yellow, please use a valid source, and, in case source doesn't explicitly say "village x is under SDF control", write a short explanation here. Thanks for understanding. --Hogg 22 (talk) 08:48, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

I changed [1][2] Jubb al-Qidarah, al-Haymar, Shallal, Abdul Kulaib cliffs, Abu Safayah, Dibsiyah, Bir al-Ama, Marwan to IS. --Hogg 22 (talk) 08:56, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

Hogg 22 Also for now the opposition source reported about clashes between Kurdish Units and ISIS in the village Qadiriyah to the south the town of ‪Sarrin‬.here Sûriyeya (talk) 13:39, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

Hogg 22 Also opp. source said later that the ISIS announce conquering the village of Qadiriyah‬ to the south the town of ‪Sarrin‬ this morning after three days of battles with Syrian Democratic Forces.herehere but still no independent confirmation of this data. We only know about clashes inside of this village. Sûriyeya (talk) 14:19, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

ISIS retake Qadiriyah sourcesourcesourcesourcesource and now clashes in the village of Saadiya.sourcesource Sûriyeya (talk) 18:27, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Hogg 22 Also I think that this village Sykol which on the map marked as SDF-held still ISIS-held as they located in ara which is under control of ISIS but thid source by which we put this village as the SDF-held probably said about this village Saykul near Qadiriyah and Abu Majid. But we probably make mistake because the source not say that the SDF took new village but simply said that several people were killed by a mine left over from ISIS. Also, this village Saykul located near the villages of Qadiriya and Abu Majid which was taken SDF only several days ago but this village Sykol located deep in area which still controlled ISIS and also today ISIS retake Qadiriyah. And I think that it would be logical to correct an inaccuracy on the map. Sûriyeya (talk) 17:43, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Also SDF confirmed that their fighters pulled out from the villages of Qadiriyah, Marwan, Dibsiyah, ABu Sufayah and Al-Barudiyah south of Kobani.sourcesource Sûriyeya (talk) 20:38, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Al rai & Qabassin

How come al rai and qabassin have smaller dots than Tal rifat and mare? My hometown kibessine is almost as big as mare yet its showed as a little village. Also the kurdish name of it should be written under kabassin in kurdish we say başhkêy which is the old name. and how come afrin is shown as big as tal rifat? There are hundreds of thousands of kurds and some arabs from aleppo that live in afrin now. it should be as big as azaz.

SDF-Arab-Kurd control

First i want you to read the previous discussion above. What I want is to open again a discussion, and ask the editors of why we shouldn't change back the way of editing the Raqqa province. My suggestion is to change the province as it was in August (i mean locations at that time), with minor changes with sources from today. There are basically several reasons, but by doing that we would remove 3 problems at the same time. The SDF will not represent a color, but the actuall groups inside. If a village is captured by YPG, we marked it as yellow, if a village is captured by both YPG and Arab groups (Shams Shamal batalion, Liwa Raqqa, Jaish Ahsaer, Jabhat Thuwar etc etc) we mark it as joint control. Problem solved. It doesn't matter if they're both part of the SDF, it's just a coalition.

I don't want to write 100 more sentences, just read my previous posts here. DuckZz (talk) 15:05, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

The whole reason why we began grouping units as part of the SDF coalition rather than individual groups is because the green designation for mainstream rebels is too broad. In Afrin we had the YPG fighting rebels meanwhile in Kobane and Jazira we had the YPG fighting alongside rebels. Hence the joint yellow-rebel control meant different things in different areas of the map - this was illogical. Hence we changed the villages of green-yellow control to yellow as both groups followed the administration of Syrian Democratic Assembly, whereas joint-control elsewhere generally means each party practice their own forms of governance.Prohibited Area (talk) 17:06, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

DuckZz Prohibited Area I agree that the some villages for now under control the some of rebel groups which help YPG. But as say many sources their number not too big and therefore we can't mark as under jointly control YPG and rebels most part of the villages in Raqqa province which was retaken from ISIS. Many villages and some towns in Raqqa province which retaken from ISIS was taken SDF. But the SDF( ~40,000) it is a group where dominated by the YPG(30,000 fighters) and also smaller local Arab and Assyrian militias in northern Syria.source So that on based these data I propose again put the as rebels-held the villages(Zanbaq, Ali Bajliyah, Marouda Tahtani, Dughaniyah, Damishliyah, Wasita) and maybe some other in this area on based data from BosnoSinj.hereand here Plus as said this source FSA affiliate "Tribes’ Army (2,000 units) disbands in north amidst accusations of YPG blockade"here But I still trust that we can't leave all villages in Raqqa province as only under control of SDF(in the yellow color) some of them need put as the rebels-held. Sûriyeya (talk) 18:57, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

Sûriyeya Prohibited Area No you actually don't understand how this map works, it's like you started editing this map since last year ? We don't mark villages/towns as what will or is happening after they're being captured, because that would go too far and we would have to change the entire map once in a while based on who is currently present there (we actually do that for some areas), not just Raqqa but coming all the way from Idlib to Daraa. We mark areas as which group captured it like we did here. 60% of the villages in Raqqa province are empty, by your logic we need to remove them since nobody controls them since nobody has presence inside them, which is impossible and you need 120 000 active soldiers for that.

You arguments are actually not arguments but POV opinions. We can also say "Well, some rebels have a truce with the gov. so lets remove their rebel presence because they're now again under civil rule" Makes sense, but not for this map. Rebels with the same flag clash with Kurds in Aleppo but not in Raqqa ? Erm.. so what, it's like you said "Rebels clash with Nusra in Idlib, but not in Damascus or Daraa province, let's mark them all under grey color". Rebels are rebels, it's not like they have 1 group and the same group is present in 2 provinces, with 2 different opinions, if that would be the case then yes we need to make a difference between them, but the groups in Raqqa will never be present in Aleppo, but both are claiming to be rebels and part of the armed opposition, which our map has a defition for. Changing that logic is actually violating the rules which you clearly don't understand. This is not your map and you have to understand that 80% of the people who look at this map think "Raqqa province is empty of rebels". Give me a good reason why I shouldn't remove the grey color from the map ? Al Nusra is part of the Jaish Fatah coalition, which consists of 70% of rebels, which means whatever Nusra captures, or only part of, i can mark it as under rebel control. Same logic.

You have time till tomorrow to decide :

• 1 Keep the new current rule, but then implement it on the entire map and not just what u like, change the entire Idlib province to green.
• 2 Follow the rules of the map as it is, change Raqqa province as according to this map (with minor changes). DuckZz (talk) 21:57, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

DuckZz, you are just a little bit too much focused on one belligerent. There are three other belligerents: ISIS, SAA, Islamists, all with different fractions, especially islamists and SAA, but we do not see you asking for making them green. Why not changing Ansari ISIS to green? or why not changing loyalist militas to green? Why just changing ethnic Arabs of SDF to green? The ones who are regarded by actual greens as traitors and agents of Assad? Why all this double standards?

As with Idlib, I personally have come to the conclusion that it should be one color, as they represent only one belligerent. Either whole of Idlib green or grey. Roboskiye (talk) 22:26, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

Nothing what you say has to do with my text above. You post opinions, I post rules and arguments. I don't care what they are, what they think, I only care how to make this map understandable to normal people. And of course i won't change Idlib province, but I'm only being sarcastic because doing that would breake the rules, and using the double standard would make me only change that and nothing else, what is actually being donne for Raqqa province. So... yes, it's up to other editors to decide.

I would also ask other editors to post on my talkpage because I think this section should be only for final desicions from other editors. DuckZz (talk) 23:04, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

DuckZz Ok I agree with you that we need mark the villages in Raqqa province as you asked and as you said was earlier. But only with a small corrction Ayn Isaa under control YPG/YPJANHA(Hawar News)herehere and plus SOHR said that Tall Abyad under control by YPG.here And all new villages that had been captured recently also must be marked on yellow color because for now we know that the FSA affiliate "Tribes’ Army (2,000 units) disbands and sources said that the SDF captured all new villages. If you agree then we can fix the map and close the subject. Sûriyeya (talk) 07:58, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Liwa Thuwwar al-Raqqa Raqqa Revolutionaries' Brigade (Al-Raqqah rebels){~ 1000 fighters} announced that they are joined to the SDF, after the tensions and information about the siege by SDF in the countryside of Al-Raqqah province, they said in the statement: “We in the Front Thowwar Al-Raqqah announce that we are part of the SDF, in order to fight the terrorism and extremism of ISIS and Al-Nusra Front.SOHR Sûriyeya (talk) 09:27, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Tribal army disbanded and Revolutionary Brigade joined SDF (i.e. Yellow). Period. Roboskiye (talk) 16:08, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Sûriyeya Roboskiye My edits in Idlib province have been reverted because they breake the rules of editing. This means that north Raqqa province also breakes the rules, as we agreed that if you dont want double standard then a rule needs to me implemented on the entire map and not just POV areas. My edits south of Tell Abyad have been also reverted, 7 villages, with no source provided. I will change the Raqqa province as according to our map from August, where we have indicated which areas have been captured by both Kurdish and Arab forces. If you don't want this to happen, then implement the rules on the map, i will not do it because i dont want to revert someone elses reverts. DuckZz (talk) 20:37, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

DuckZz I again put 7 villages as FSA-held according to the data from Bosnpoj and talk page. Sûriyeya (talk) 08:37, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

FSA and their fanboys searching new adventures in Tell Abyad. FSA fanboys are angry and unhappy with northern Syria after 4 years of failed offensives and lost territories :) Bruskom ^{talk to me} 10:44, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Sûriyeya That map has been outdated by the disbandment of the Tribes' Army and Liwa al Raqqa joining SDF.Prohibited Area (talk) 17:35, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Prohibited Area If be honest for now I confused. Firstly we can't use any maps but we used data from Bosnoj (except map) But maybe we can leave these villages as under the jointly control. Although I've also seen report about disbandment of the Tribes' Army and Liwa al Raqqa joining SDF. So I'm confused. Perhaps you're right because I also saw another report which says that the former members of the Tribes' Army and Liwa al Raqqa joined the SDF. Liwa Thuwwar al-Raqqa Raqqa Revolutionaries' Brigade (Al-Raqqah rebels)announced that they are joined to the SDF, they said in the statement: “We in the Front Thowwar Al-Raqqah announce that we are part of the SDF, in order to fight the terrorism and extremism of ISIS and Al-Nusra Front.SOHR Sûriyeya (talk) 18:03, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

SûriyeyaWell I would assume the villages should be changed back to yellow as we have no reliable source to show that they are under rebel control. The source which did show as such is now irrelevant, and the rebels joined SDF and hence we should change it to the respective colour, which is yellow, unless we can find sources which indicate otherwise.Prohibited Area (talk) 19:12, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Prohibited Area I still want hear the opinion of the DuckZz so how can he be able to provide other data confirming its point of view. Sûriyeya (talk) 19:31, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Prohibited Area But if we are dont get a new data which can provide that the after disbandment the Tribes' Army and after the Liwa al Raqqa joined to the SDF some the villages in Raqqa provicne still under control of the FSA-affiliated groups. We put these villages as under control of SDF. Sûriyeya (talk) 19:43, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

I am opposed to the changes.

The only forces who hold territory besides IS in Raqqah province is the SDF. The SDF should be marked in yellow, not green/yellow joint control, or some parts yellow and some parts green. This is because the SDF are a united military force, conducting operations and controlling territory together. Joint control should and must be reserved for situations where the non-SDF rebels share power with the SDF.

We mark the rebels in green because, although they fight one another, they are also (largely) united in their aim (to overthrow Assad). Although it would make things complicated, we could mark them under different branches like 'Islamic Front' and 'Free Syrian Army' to be more precise about these things, but these factions have largely coalesced into a single insurgent force. We mark IS in black because although it shares their locals aims, it has bigger goals, and is part of a global jihadist network. The same goes for al Nusra. The SDF only want to liberate parts of Syria to bring them under the control of the Syrian Democratic Assembly. All parties in the SDF work for the Syrian Democratic Assembly, and hence they are all marked in the same colour. The colour we mark them in should not be about ethnicity or militias: it should about military alliances, goals and global implications (such as whether they intend to gain territory outside of Syria or use it as an area from which to launch global terrorist attacks). PutItOnAMap (talk) 19:45, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

The Twitter user called as bosnosinj just says that villages controlled by rebels. There is no news about this topic on Kurdish sources and international sources. I going to change back to yellow. Bruskom ^{talk to me} 20:58, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Why would we base that on one twitter user? Are they a reliable source, and are they pro rebel or anti Kurd? Moreover, how would the rebels even gain control over that area? They have no access to those villages; they'd have to get through sdf and IS territory first to get there. Unless Liwa defected again, which we'd have heard about, then that would not happen.

Sûriyeya PutItOnAMap Bruskom

• 1 The reporter "BosnjoSinj" is used for several years on this map for every party (Rebels/Gov etc. even ISIS), you maybe don't edit the map that long so you don't know, we had enough discussions about him and other users.
• 2 Liwa Thuwar Raqqa did join the SDF, but the area south of Tell Abyad (the user mentioned) is controled by "Jaish Ashaer" group, which isn't part of Thuwar Raqqa anymore (disolved by Thuwar Raqqa statement), one of the reasons is because Thuwar Raqqa joined the SDF, which means Jaish Ashaer is working alone and are still there of course. This is the facebook page of Jaish Ashaer and unfortunately, this is like the 3rd page and the previous one got deleted but i remember their statements there, where they mentioned their control, and its basically the same as BosnjoSinj reported.
• 3 I did not wanted to make these edits, why ? Very simple, it's against the rules. Now you think, well why ? Again, leaving the area as it is now is also agains the rules, basically leaving these edits, or removing them is both against the rules. Why ?

The new "SDF" rule is explained last year, and it was explained very badly and i have read it, according to them, the rule needs to be implemented in Idlib province on various villages and towns. Why ? Because those towns are captured by Jaish Fatah, but they're marked as "grey", even thought Nusra makes only 20% of the coalition or fighting force itself, basically the same as Rebels in Raqqa province.

Now if you want to leave the SDF color in Raqqa, you also need to implement the rule on other provinces, and i don't care for POV views like "Well Kurds are not islamists like rebels are here and there, unlike in Raqqa blablabla" whatever you say contradicts with our map and makes it a useless twitter discussion piece.

We also broke another rule, here's why. Remember the "Burkan Firat" coalition from last year ? That's basically the same as todays SDF, same principle and ideology, where Kurds again made 70% of the fighting force. The only difference is the amount of groups, where SDF has like 20, but the percentenge is the same. Now I ask you, why did we edit the Raqqa province for 6 months, according to rules, and the finnal version was like this. And now you tell me, "Ok, now the SDF is created, it's the same as Burkan Firat but with a bunch of other groups from Hasaka too, we now change a rule but breake 2 others instead.".

I know why you did this, and it did make sense at the start, because the main problem was Hasaka province, where YPG with 400 soldiers captured a village, and rebels had like 10 members, we marked the village as under joint control which was stupid because those rebels aren't even from Hasaka and they will return to Raqqa. I do agree, Hasaka is a good option, but Raqqa isn't, and the map from August shows that.

• 4 Again, if you hate and don't want discussions, I will change the province as according to our map from August, of course we need to change some areas but that will be donne in 1-2 days, that's only if you want rules, and don't worry, I will read every source.
• 5 And For those asking "I maybe agree but how much rebels are there actually in Raqqa ?", it's pretty simple, more than double since Burkan Firat, and if we didn't had problems then, why should we know ? Liwa Thuwar Raqqa had enough statements where they said that they have >3 000 soldiers, and every week some finnish their new training. Jaish Ashar stated >2 000 for them. Jaish thuwar stated 1 000 for them, Kataib Shams Shamal 300-500 since Kobane, and there's also Furat Jarabulus etc.

For other questions please write on my wall (talkpage) as this spot is to cluttered. The discussion can be transfered to there. DuckZz (talk) 21:06, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

We have simply a POV-pusher with a funny agenda who repeats himself again and again Roboskiye (talk) 21:14, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

1. Burkan Firat was an operations room (like the Mare' operations room), not a Syria-wide coalition. All groups in the SDF are allied throughout Syria. Jaish al-Thuwar, for instance, is allied to the SDF in Aleppo, Idlib and Raqqa, as well as any other provinces they might expand into. Whereas Burkan Firat only applied in a specific area to defend against IS. Moreover, Burkan Firat contained groups with different 'endgame' aims: the SDF is united under the political organisation called the 'Syrian Democratic Assembly', which decides what its objectives will be.

2. Fair enough about BosnjoSinj. I do find it odd that no-one else is reporting on Jaish Ashaer's control of these villages, though. In fact, http://syriadirect.org/news/ahead-of-battle-against-islamic-state-in-syria’s-northeast-one-faction-hesitates-to-join-sdf/</ref> this source says that Jaish Ashaer was the Tribes' Army, not a component of it. Therefore, according to this source, it must have disbanded.

3. If rules were broken in the past, or old rules applied then that do not apply now, it is now wrong for us to contradict out of date rules.

4. Liwa was estimated at 800+ troops by US resources, but however many troops they have is irrelevant to this map. They are SDF, anyway.

5. We don't need to revert the map to August. Just keep SDF yellow and everything will be fine.

6. I do not support marking joint-held Jabhat al-Nusra areas grey because they are salafist. The reason they should be grey is because they have international ambitions. The way I understood it, we grouped the armed forces like colours into distinct sects:

(1) The SAA and allies, which wants to reimpose Assad's control over Syria. (2) The SDF, which is hostile to the regime and jihadists, but focuses on controlling and running areas of Syria that the Syrian Democratic Assembly wants to take responsibility for. (3) IS, which wants to establish a global caliphate, and is just using Syria as a (particularly important) base of operations now. (4) Al Nusra, which wants the same thing as IS, but it part of the Al Qaeda network. It has a different colour to the likes of Ahrar ash-Sham because it wants to go international (hence its attack on Arsal), while the other Islamists are focused, along with the rest of the rebels, on fighting only in Syria to topple the regime, for now. (5) The rebels, focused on toppling the Assad regime.

PutItOnAMap (talk) 21:42, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

PutItOnAMapProhibited AreaDuckZzBruskom Shuhada' al-Furat Battalion(Euphrates Martyrs Battalion) announce in a statement issued that they join to Syria Democratic Forces.herehere So that as we can see the another one a rebel group join to SDF(mainly kurdish force). Video:here Sûriyeya (talk) 18:07, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Damascus detailed map

Damascus detailed map is not updated and lags behind the most recent news. See Talk. Either the editor able to change it takes some action or we must do about it like we did for Aleppo map.Paolowalter (talk) 10:15, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

The editor knew that there were massive changes to be made and left the map like it has been for nearly a year even though it has been edited Eastern Ghouta is 60% smaller of what is currently shown in terrorists control. Darryya is also waay smaller pocket now tiny. Jober is in SAA control and is now totally seperate from east ghouta.

The City maps are not updated for weeks and should be replaced with something better .86.135.155.225 (talk) 18:46, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

The battle lines in Deir Ezzor have also shifted somewhat and that city map needs to be updated, too. Several distracts including Sina'a (if that's a correct spelling; I know there are several) and Jafra are now under IS control. Also, Aleppo is changing all the time. The problem we have there is that when we removed Kweires from the map, we didn't reapply the old map with the roads and textures in the background that is there in the rest of the map, so there is just a blank space in the Kweires area, which we should fix. The regime only controls 20% of Qamishli, but it looks like more than that on our map. The Hasakah map should have the blue bit removed from it, and both the YPG and the Syriac Military Council are both part of the SDF now and should be marked in its colour rather than the colours of their individual militias. I also read complaints earlier on this page that the Daraa map appears to exaggerate the rebel presence, though I am not sure of whether or not this is true. PutItOnAMap (talk) 22:21, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

PutItOnAMap If you see on a map the village of Jafra marked as the ISIS held. on the map most part of the city Qamishli marked as YPG-held the some part of SAA-held and in blue color we marked the part of the city which is under jointly control between SAA and YPG. Sûriyeya (talk) 09:38, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Qamishli map is basically irrelevant, the various sides are controling jointly the town. Paolowalter (talk) 18:24, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Also anti-SAA source said that the clashes took place in ‪the town of ‎Jafrah‬ in the surroundings of Deir Ezzor Military Airport.source Sûriyeya (talk) 11:29, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Sûriyeya this source is an Anti-Isis source to,it's a pro-rebel source we need reliable sources.Lists129 (talk) 13:12, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

It is anti ISIS and anti SAA, so it is fine according to the rules to change the map following it. In any case Jafrah was turned black based on vague statements that was attacking from the town, nobody stated that they took full control of the town. So, it goes contestedPaolowalter (talk) 18:24, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Lists129 Both of these a sources clear anti-SAA sources which sometimes publish data about which claim ISIS but which not was confirmed the reliable sources including SOHR. For now these sources said that the clashes took place in ‪the town of ‎Jafrah‬ in the surroundings of Deir Ezzor Military Airport.sourcesource Sûriyeya (talk) 18:38, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Lists129 I addition SOHR also reported about clashes between SAA and ISIS in the surroundings of Deir Ezzor Military Airport.here Sûriyeya (talk) 19:51, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

"The problem we have there is that when we removed Kweires from the map, we didn't reapply the old map with the roads and textures in the background that is there in the rest of the map, so there is just a blank space in the Kweires area, which we should fix." Can somebody fix that ? Because it's really ugly now when you look at the map. 85.218.59.241 (talk) 21:01, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Editor (e.g. Sûriyeya) is adding dots on detailed maps that is not what we are supposed to do. Either we get them updated, or we remove them. We cannot have the same location marked with two different colors on detailed and general maps.Paolowalter (talk) 22:28, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

The Damascus map needs to be cropped a little from its west so it doesn't include Khan Al Sheikh green area on its southwest, or Wadi Barada on the northwest corner. These parts are far enough from damascus that they are behind mountains and army bases surrounding the city, the two areas can be replaced with a few dots on the main map. Especially khan al Sheikh area where red dots of the main map appear on top of the green area of the detailed map! This really needs fixing.

I think that only Damas and Aleppo are useful. Others can be deleted. Plus Damas detailed map should be smaller. 85.218.59.241 (talk) 15:33, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Yes Agree with above regarding the Damascus map to be made smaller, I'm sure editors see that is a good idea, I hope it gets edited soon. Dair Al-Zor and Dara'a detailed maps should still be useful.

All currently contested major cities (regional capitals plus Qamlishi at the moment; I don't think any other massive hubs are contested right now) should have detailed maps.

As I have written in 'Remove All City Detail Maps!':

[I think even the Hasakah and Qamlishi maps are quite important, at least from a military perspective (as seeing who controls what is significant to those studying the Syrian conflict). For instance, if we just made Qamlishi a big yellow dot with a few red marks, knowledge of the fact that the SAA control certain roads, the border post and - crucially - the airport would be less clear to readers. Moreover, the argument that because there is no conflict in those areas, we should remove the maps is flawed because of a number of clashes (small-scale but notable) in those areas. It is possible that in the future (especially with the increasing number of anti-SAA groups joining the SDF) clashes may break out again in these areas as part of a possible SDF offensive once they have achieved their objectives against IS west of the Euphrates and in Hasakah province. We should not speculate too much and say 'x will happen' but it is wise to be prepared for any possibility in an unpredictable conflict like this one. Therefore, I oppose the removal of the detailed maps, even the Hasakah and Qamlishi ones. We may even want to consider adding new detailed maps (if that is possible/if we have the editing skills) in other big, contested places such as Shaykh Miksin).] — Preceding unsigned comment added by PutItOnAMap (talk • contribs) 23:46, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Editors, will you take an hour of your time to crop the damas detailed map and update it please. Everyone seems to be frustrated w it. We thank you in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.125.37.45 (talk) 11:42, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

Orontes river near the al-Rastan district

Hey, respectful editors, I'm a simple spectator to this Syrian war map, created and updated by all of you, I want to thank you for your really huge work.
My notice is when I looked at the wikimapia map of al-Rastan district, I have found one natural discordance between satellite map and this interactive map you keep: it concerns the flow of Orontes river around the towns of al-Rastan and Talbiseh. In your map, Orontes river surrounds these 2 cities from the east and south, while on satellite map that's not true: al-Rastan is located on the southern banks of some reservoir (it seems that its name is al-Rastan reservoir http://wikimapia.org/#lang=ru&lat=34.902827&lon=36.732101&z=11&m=b&show=/8607402/al-Rastan-Lake), and then Orontes river flows from it to the south, outflanking al-Rastan from the WEST. Moreover, it is a major division, as Orontes divides here two plains - al-Rastan plain and al-Houla plain (then flowing to the south, down to Homs city), and in military reasons, helps rebels to defend this area, as the SAA faces some difficulties with forced crossing of Orontes here (from the northern direction where is Hama and from the western direction where is Kafr Nan). So, as this feature is a significant point of military situation in this area, I suggest you to check the flow of Orontes, maybe you will find some power and wish to change it to more authentic shape. ^_^
Thank you very much, please don't rage at me, I really appreciate your work, and this is just a little try to help you.

I see what you mean, the river is big in this area and it is a reason why militaries move slow here. However, the Orontes river ('AAsi' in arabic) flows south to north.

It's again me (the author of this tread) ^_^ About direction of Orontes flow - that's my mistake, I thought it flows from the north. But my point was that this river surrounds al-Rastan and Talbiseh from the opposite side (from the west and north, not from the east). Map inaccurately shows the course of river in this area. That what I meant.

Facebook and twitter

A lot of recent modifications were done relying on private, unknown or biased facebook or twitter sources that cannot be accepted. I strongly invite to self-revert. I have already reported to the page manager to take some action.Paolowalter (talk) 22:28, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

 Comment: I remember every editor here that use of social media (Twitter, Facebook, Reddit, YouTube, etc...) as a reliable source is strictly FORBIDDEN by Wikipedia rules. It can be only accepted if the source origin is a worldwide-recognized expert on the issue, and only if its agreed by consensus by the rest of editors. Some users seems to not know that or worse, to know but ignore it, so I've started some weeks ago to delete every content based on social media on any page related to the Syrian civil war. So you're warned. Regards,--HCPUNXKID 23:53, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Remove all city detail maps!

Remove all city detail maps , leaving only a mouse-link to them. My suggestion for the detail maps for various syrian cities is to remove them all from main map , replace them with our ususal cake charts (circles) . Each suborb can have its own dot. (for example, Alleppo as as cake with some green and red and yellow sections, Damascus as (contested ?) green and red, Duma as as a green dot, ...) ( like Iraqi map) and if someone clicks on them, he can see the actual detailed map with its late date. This solution make the entire map system (Iraq, Yeman, ...) consistent and uniform because syrian map is the only template with these disturbing detail maps. If you accept to do this, I will draw the roads in the background map in the gaps which remain from removed detail maps as soon as I can. 212.75.52.4 (talk) 09:10, 12 January 2016 (UTC)MapMaker

I'm not sure if we should remove all, because some like Aleppo map are more complicated and in my opinion better to stay as images. However, the Hasaka map should definitely be removed as over 90% of the city is under SDF control. The loyalists control merely two districts: City center and Ghuweyran. Furthermore, there is an important mistake in the map: Why MSF controlled area is blue? MSF is an YPG offshoot and is part of SDF. It should definitely go yellow. So to conclude: a big yellow dot for entire Hasaka, + two small dots for the aforementioned loyalist-controlled districts. Roboskiye (talk) 09:25, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Roboskiye Which source provide this? SDF not control over 90% of Hasakah. We now that they hold most part of him but not over 90% of city. Also in blue color marked areas in Qamishli which the under jointly control Syrian armySootoro/ and YPG/Sutoro. Sûriyeya (talk) 13:17, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

I think that if we remove the Detaled maps we can have many conflicting situatuins. I opposed remove the detaled maps just need timely update them. Sûriyeya (talk) 13:22, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

The detailed maps for Hasakah and Qamishli add nothing of value but the other 4 all do. Damascus and Aleppo in particularly would just be an utter mess if every suburb had to be represented by a separate dot. It might be worth cropping the maps to remove the countryside and neighbouring towns but for the core urban areas the detailed maps should stay. 77.101.181.174 (talk) 14:38, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

I strongly oppose the deletion of the detailed Syrian city maps. Contrary to what some say here, they are much more useful than a "dot", and if we remove them I bet that we will have big dots full of tiny dots, military bases, etc, sometimes simply unreadable (take for example Taizz in the Yemen map, wich has inside military bases icons wich are barely visible, clear example of a mess). It will also give the authors the message that their efforts and work were good for nothing. I suggest editors try to update the maps instead of trying to ruin others work.--HCPUNXKID 00:01, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

The detailed maps are incredibly important to the template, even the Hasakah and Qamishli maps give a much more detailed insight into the conditions of the war and hence should most definetly be kept. The only problem is when the maps become outdated, as most editors (including myself) do not know how to edit them.Prohibited Area (talk) 14:34, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

I think even the Hasakah and Qamlishi maps are quite important, at least from a military perspective (as seeing who controls what is significant to those studying the Syrian conflict). For instance, if we just made Qamlishi a big yellow dot with a few red marks, knowledge of the fact that the SAA control certain roads, the border post and - crucially - the airport would be less clear to readers. Moreover, the argument that because there is no conflict in those areas, we should remove the maps is flawed because of a number of clashes (small-scale but notable) in those areas. It is possible that in the future (especially with the increasing number of anti-SAA groups joining the SDF) clashes may break out again in these areas as part of a possible SDF offensive once they have achieved their objectives against IS west of the Euphrates and in Hasakah province. We should not speculate too much and say 'x will happen' but it is wise to be prepared for any possibility in an unpredictable conflict like this one. Therefore, I oppose the removal of the detailed maps, even the Hasakah and Qamlishi ones. We may even want to consider adding new detailed maps (if that is possible/if we have the editing skills) in other big, contested places such as Shaykh Miksin). PutItOnAMap (talk) 11:04, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

The Question of maintaining and actuality is more important than details in these areas( which will be visible as before if you click on the dot) . Actually no one feels himself responsible to update these detailed maps!. But there are many people who keep the dots uptodate very close to reality.

+ To avoid a mess in dots, I suggest to use a big 'ring'( empty dot, only with borders of one or two pixels thickness) instead of a dot, for large cities. In this ring, we will be able to see the smaller dots. We can even also use this rings everywhere instead of dots! ----212.75.52.4 (talk) 14:55, 15 January 2016 (UTC)MapMaker

SAA captures Tal Farzat north of Marj Sultan

SAA captures Tal Farzat http://wikimapia.org/#lang=ro&lat=33.506387&lon=36.472614&z=16&m=b&show=/25987421/Tell-Ferzat north of Marj Sultan. Source: http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-army-seizes-tal-farzat-in-rural-damascus/ Ariskar (talk) 09:43, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Correct, they captured that along with AlBilaiyah two days ago to the east of it. I didn't know however how this page looks at Almasdar news. Also, it is difficult to wait for insurgents to declare losses — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.181.121.82 (talk) 01:52, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Battle of Salma

SOHR reported the Army entered Salma, so did Al-Masdar. However, later latter reported the city has been captured by SAA.

Has al Koum, next to Salma, been captured as well? I have seen no such reporting. MesmerMe (talk) 13:10, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Al Koum SAA-held.source Al Koum this one of the points from wher Army launched attack on Salma. Sûriyeya (talk) 13:13, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Kaom not taken by SAA. Your source mentions Kadin to the east. Kaom still in rebel hands. Source: http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/what-is-next-in-northern-latakia/ Oberschlesien1990 (talk) 09:55, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Any news on Tartiyah ? 86.135.155.225 (talk) 14:20, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

SOHR confirmed that the Tartiyah taken SAA.here Sûriyeya (talk) 17:16, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Suriyeya thank you .86.135.155.225 (talk) 19:15, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

#1) Opp.source sources confirmed that the SAA-take the town of Salma.Step News AgencySLN News and some other hereherehereherehere

#2) reliable sources also said that the Salma takes SAA.hereherehere Sûriyeya (talk) 19:22, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

SOHR for now also claimed that whole town of Salma taken SAA.SOHR Sûriyeya (talk) 19:48, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Oberschlesien1990 Al Koum taken SAA.source Sûriyeya (talk) 15:30, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 January 2016

Acording to the online news agency Al-Masdar News the city of Salma in Latakia has been taken by the Syrian government along with some other areas around it, please rectify the map, by updating the colors of the areas. 2001:8A0:FB80:4301:8098:9C3E:73FF:FBD2 (talk) 13:56, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Also Jarjisah near ar-Rastan [3] -84.223.133.151 (talk) 14:06, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

SOHR also said that Jarjisah taken SAA.herehere Sûriyeya (talk) 17:15, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Aleppo city map

Can anyone fix the blank space left on the right side to the map? --HCPUNXKID 00:04, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

As the frontline goes into these areas, I think its better we cropp the Aleppo detail map instead of covering it by white image. we lost the roads in this area. 85.15.42.246 (talk) 06:08, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

The frontline is also getting more and more different any time in the Western border of Aleppo as the SAA is currently pushing towards Al-Rashiddeen district. So in this case the entire west-east frontie can be blanked.Oroszka (talk) 16:56, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

I will fix the roads, etc. in blanc space Allepo as soon as possible----212.75.52.4 (talk) 08:15, 15 January 2016 (UTC)MapMaker

Ithriyah Oil Pumping & Electric stations

There's a report here that the SAA won control of the "Ithriyah Oil Pumping Station and the Ithriyah Electrical Station near the formerly contested town of Ithriyah" which are "only a few kilometers away from the nearby Al-Raqqa Governorate". None of these seems to be on the map. Perhaps they can be added in? Esn (talk) 03:21, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Esn I think that it is a former Oil Pumping station.here on map marked as Military Checkpoint "Burj At-Taghtiyah" but this object is close to the Oil fields and the Oil pipeline is suitable to him.Maps of the Syrian pipelines:herehereherehere(I not use any maps for edit only for golocation) Sûriyeya (talk) 07:51, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Please change "Al Hawr" الحَور and "Al Kum" الکوم and "Marj Khawkha" مرج خوخه to red.

All Salma neighbors under SAA
Al-Hawr under SAA

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212.75.52.4 (talk) 13:06, 13 January 2016 (UTC)MapMaker

We cant use a maps as a source. "Rules for editing the map" Rule #2 Copying from maps is strictly prohibited. Sûriyeya (talk) 14:52, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

I made this. Reliable source confirmed that the Al-Koum, Al-Mareeij, Marj Khawkhah, Bayt Miru, Al-Hawr and Mrouniyat taken SAA.here Sûriyeya (talk) 15:20, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Maps from this source are very very reliable http://newss.blog.ir/ ----212.75.52.4 (talk) 16:19, 13 January 2016 (UTC)MapMaker

Today reds take Duwayrikah per AL Masdar .86.178.96.33 (talk) 19:33, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

Harbnafsah

SAA Captured the town. Source: http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-army-captures-the-village-of-harbnafsah-in-northern-homs/ MesmerMe (talk) 22:34, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

According to all other sources it is contested .86.178.103.141 (talk) 19:59, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 January 2016

Hello, I was in the editing team since the beginning of the Syrian war. I left it because of work. Now I would like to participate again in the editing. I was never blocked for violating editing rules, and I am aware of all the editing rules here. I am also following your updates in the talk page about the accepted and biased reference sources and I like that.

Please accept my edit request. Thanks, 91.43.150.169 (talk) 23:36, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Aran

Pro-opp. source Aleppo24 reported that the SAA captured the village of Aran to south of ISIS-held town Tadef.here Sûriyeya (talk) 10:49, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

SOHR also said that the SAA captured the village of Aran.here Sûriyeya (talk) 11:20, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

SAA captured 4 villages Surayb, Ajouziyah, ‘Abboudiyah, and Miltafah.SOHRsourceSOHR but retreated from Aran after ISIS counter-attack.SOHR Sûriyeya (talk) 18:05, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

SOHR and all pro gov sources say Aran has been taken by SAA. But then only SOHR says the SAA left Aran! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.125.37.45 (talk) 01:05, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

Ghazal

Opp. sources Aleppo24 and Qasioun News reported that the ISIS retake village of Ghazal from rebels north of Aleppo.herehere and SOHR confirmed that ISIS retake this village.here Sûriyeya (talk) 11:49, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

SOHR report ?

Has SOHR reported the taking of Aran south of Al Bab by the reds ?.Twitter sources are saying so but i can not find it .86.178.96.33 (talk) 12:32, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

The village of Aran here for now marked as SAA-held.here Sûriyeya (talk) 12:48, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Well, I haven't seen it, but it may be up in the Arabic version. Also, I apologise for marking Ain Issa as contested earlier. The English report said 'in the west of' and I thought that meant within the town, not to the west of it. If another reliable source (although not a pro-SAA one in this case) is reporting Aran as taken by the SAA, we should mark it as red rather than waiting for SOHR confirmation. PutItOnAMap (talk) 14:11, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

PutItOnAMap Sometimes in reports from SOHR English have some mistakes. But in the title of the article reads "clashes near Ayn Issa in Al-Raqqah" But in report on Arabic SOHR said "clashes between units protect the Kurdish people from the party, and elements of the "Islamic state" from another party, in the western countryside to the town of Ain Issa in North West countryside of Raqqa"here Sûriyeya (talk) 15:01, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

SAA Hama Offensive

SOHR confirmed that the SAA captured the village of Deir al-Fardis.here this also confirmed opp. source.here Sûriyeya (talk) 18:07, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

SAA take Al-Faradis

[4] According to SOHR, the SAA has taken Al-Faradis village. I would put this on the map, but I don't know what exactly its coordinates would be (which villages in Hama is it closest to?) PutItOnAMap (talk) 09:38, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

PutItOnAMap it is a village of Dayr al-Fardis which is taken SAA. Sûriyeya (talk) 10:28, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

Ok. That's already marked red on our map anyway. PutItOnAMap (talk) 10:33, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

It's green for me.Totholio (talk) 16:21, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

New Map Aleppo Gap Roads Fixed!

Here the new map : Roads of Aleppo Province fixed ----212.75.52.4 (talk) 14:39, 15 January 2016 (UTC)MapMaker

Good work .86.178.103.141 (talk) 20:24, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

Although I made the roads of the Aleppo-map-gap, the right side of the (cropped) map is not transparent, thus, we can not see the roades there ( Kuwairas, power plant, etc.) ----212.75.52.4 (talk) 08:35, 18 January 2016 (UTC)MapMaker

Please use a darker Yellow for Kurds!

This yellow is hardly distinguishable. Please take a darker yellow or darker Orange-Yellow!( the same in detail maps of Al Hasahak, for example) ----212.75.52.4 (talk) 15:25, 15 January 2016 (UTC)MapMaker

We always used the yellow color since the start of Syrian civil war. The whole world knows that the yellow color represent the Kurds. Also orange color does not represent the Kurds. Bruskom ^{talk to me} 08:11, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

I didn't say orange, but darker yellow or this darker orange-yellow which is already used in detail city maps like Hasaka to mark kurdish areas. 2003:6A:675C:A6F3:AD0A:DFD2:8119:9616 (talk) 10:06, 17 January 2016 (UTC)MapMaker

Azaz Checkpoint

Azaz checkpoint captured by SDF: http://hawarnews.com/%D8%AC%D9%8A%D8%B4-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AB%D9%88%D8%A7%D8%B1-%D9%8A%D8%AD%D8%B1%D8%B1-%D8%AB%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%AB%D8%A9-%D9%86%D9%82%D8%A7%D8%B7-%D9%87%D8%A7%D9%85%D8%A9-%D9%85%D9%86-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D8%B1/ Roboskiye (talk) 10:17, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

Roboskiye Probably here Sûriyeya (talk) 16:59, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

Roboskiye On our map this checkpoint marked as the Azaz Checkpoint. Sûriyeya (talk) 17:09, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

Another Kurdish source "Info Rojava Kurdistan" said that SDF advance east of the villages of Malikiye and Kishta'ar toward the town of Azzaz and liberated 3 positions.here Sûriyeya (talk) 17:46, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

Deir Ezzor

My first problem here. I think the EE semicircle icon on Shulah village should be removed. The location of the village is here, and the closest gov. positions are probably here, and there's nothing in between. And that location is not even marked on our map. There's an oilfield east of Shulah village, and this semicircle indicated that gov. controls it, but they don't as it's too close to the village. DuckZz (talk) 22:03, 17 January 2016 (UTC)