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Carnival Cruise Lines Edit: Can you please put it back in ship categories like every other wiki cruise line page thank you.

Suppressing the Truth

Why are you hellbent on censoring the truth. The world needs to know FIFA for what it really is. Perhaps you're a demon from hell yourself.--2600:1006:B14D:55DD:402D:624:E0B5:124E (talk) 17:54, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

My personal opinion regarding Seth Blatter and the FIFA Congress is much closer to yours than you might think. However, Wikipedia is not the place for it. I would suggest making constructive edits regarding the controversies generated from the expansion of revenues overseen by Blatter and Havelange; and how they have used Swiss law and the power of their positions to prevent the full Garcia report from being released. --Trödel 18:01, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Edits in question: Havelange, Blatter, and FIFA Congress --Trödel 18:11, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Edits to Edward Snowden

Hi, the content you try to add to the ES article is already added. However, always if you add something especially in such a high profile article, it requires sourcing. Thanks. prokaryotes (talk) 17:49, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

As you state, that information is already in the article; the new information is a significant new development, and lede sections summarize the material in the article. Therefore it should be in the lede - I also note that references are generally omitted from the lede (you should review WP:CREATELEAD). I also agree that a lede should not be changes on a whim, the information that came out this weekend regarding the withdrawal of agents by the British government is a significant new development that should be included. Knee jerk reactions to remove because the lede has been stable, or, now, that it isn't properly sourced (which you admit is already in the article - but you omit that it is sourced) are not persuasive arguments to rebut the change - see talk. --Trödel 18:07, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

If you insist, someone will certainly add another statement about doubting that claim based on an anonymous source. There are various sources who are skeptical about this claim in reliable sources. Thus, this will eventually lead to an even bigger lede. So let's just keep it as it is now i suggest. Wikipedia is not a place to collect every single opinion, and especially so if it is very vague (anon) sourced. For instance see this article here (German) prokaryotes (talk) 18:17, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

And the source coverage you want to extend, has itself begun to retract parts of the story ... see prokaryotes (talk) 18:25, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

So your objection (that it isn't sourced) is really that you don't believe the source - you knew when you reverted that it was sourced - doesn't sound neutral to me --Trödel 18:36, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

If you want it read at that way, i just tried to explain to you that your addition doesn't meet Wikipedia standards and that extending the content will increase the lede. Anyway if you want to continue use article talk page. Thank you. prokaryotes (talk) 18:38, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Exactly - you made a claim that is not true: "lacking reference reliable source" what other way am I to read that? The Sunday Times is a reliable source so you object to its content?? or what?? However, I agree that increasing the size of the lede with back and forth that has erupted since the Sunday Times article was published shouldn't be done. Therefore, the best solution would be leave out the the description of the material as "about secret mass surveillance programs" - which existed prior to my edit yesterday and just saying that classified material was leaked (as it is now). Personally, I hate this gamesmanship on Wikipedia where experienced editors try to use the rules "not a reliable source" to object to changes of people they perceive to be new or weaker - why not just make that statement to begin with "the lede should summarize and if we add this we'll need to add the counter argument". --Trödel 18:52, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Do you want to add the counter argument to the lede too? prokaryotes (talk) 18:56, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

No - see bolded text above --Trödel 18:58, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Okay, well then we disagree. Let's discuss at talk page. Let's see what other editors think. prokaryotes (talk) 19:01, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Second anointing

Could use your input/experience. Tom Haws (talk) 22:35, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

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Please do not unbold teams

Please do not unbold teams eliminated from league playoffs. It's not done on league pages such as MLS, NASL, USL, EPL. It shouldn't be done for the PDL page. We need to stay consistent. It's alright to unbold on elimination tournaments like the FA Cup and the US Cup.GrouchoPython (talk) 16:39, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

I understand why you wouldn't do it for normal league games, but for the elimination part of the playoffs - it makes sense to unbold the eliminated teams - since they are eliminated, just like in elmination tournaments. --Trödel 18:00, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

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Merging of page histories

Hello, Trödel! Since today is August 1, I have implemented onto the Area (LDS Church) page and List of general authorities of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints those changes in area leadership and other changes that are effective today. For some strange reason, my changes to the Area page are visible, but they aren't showing up on my watchlist. Also, if you are able and willing to do so, I need your help to merge the page histories on the List of general authorities page and my subpage for this year. Thanks for taking care of this ASAP. --Jgstokes (talk) 23:49, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, Trödel! To have this change made is fantastic! I greatly appreciate your willingness to handle the change where I cannot. Thanks for all your great work! --Jgstokes (talk) 07:00, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

You're welcome - thanks again for getting all these changes made in a timely manner. --Trödel 14:58, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

My pleasure. I am no longer permitted to edit Wikipedia while at work, so my editing during the week will be restricted to late nights or before work as time and circumstances allow. IMHO, you did more work in merging the page histories than I ever did in making relevant changes to the list. Thanks again to you for that. --Jgstokes (talk) 05:17, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

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Not hyphenating the compound modifier "light[-]rail" (something), just because "we don't do that"?

Will you please see my proposal at talk:light rail?

Thanks if so, 97.117.19.208 (talk) 19:29, 25 August 2017 (UTC) for now.

Map for US Soccer League System

Can you update this map - it is 2 years old. Hoping you see this.