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November 10

Edit not showing in watchlist

I have made several edits in the last week or so. Two of them have not shown up in my watchlist, like this one. Yes, the talk page I edited does indicate it is on my watchlist. Anyone? Moriori (talk) 01:17, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Different watchlist settings at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-watchlist can hide it, e.g. "Hide my edits from the watchlist". I see after enabling "Expand watchlist to show all changes, not just the most recent". If this is disabled then you will never see edits before the most recent, not even if you have a setting which hides the most recent edit, e.g hiding minor edits or bot edits. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:36, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

"It's weird. Never noticed this before. Checked preferences, and they seem ok. Have not changed prefs for years. Yesterday I made edits at 10:11am, 14:25pm, 14:29pm and 15.00pm. The first and last edits appear in my watchlist but not the two in the middle. Very curious. No matter, it's not an earth shattering glitch. Moriori (talk) 01:53, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

The two edits which appear in your description are current and the two which don't appear are not current. This is consistent with "Expand watchlist to show all changes, not just the most recent" being disabled. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:17, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

If it's enabled and you prefer that then try temporarily disabling it, saving preferences, enabling it and saving again. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:20, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Editing broken math template Intorient

I recently started using the Wikipedia app in dark mode and recently notices that the {{Intorient}} does not correctly display in a white print with a black background to match and instead displays in a black print surrondes by a white box which clips with other text. How would I go about fixing this problem? The reason that I am not asking this question here instead of at Template talk:Intorient is because the talk page has only one question that is almost 2 years old. Sorry if my question is poorly formatted as I am asking it from my phone. The Editor's Apprentice (talk) 03:46, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

I have moved your message to the foot of the page, as that is where new messages go. I have also reformatted so that it links to the template, rather than transcluding it. --David Biddulph (talk) 04:09, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

What link to use for a citation?

I'm trying to fix some link rot in our article Cohong, specifically the second reference to a PDF file with the title "論清代行商制度與貿易發展的關係". Googling for that title finds the PDF file (second result), which I can download to my computer. But I need the link for the article, and unfortunately Google gives it a cumbersome URL with tons of attribute-value pairs, which is not an appropriate replacement for the rotten link. One of the attribute-value pairs is "url=http%3A%2F%2Fishare.down.sina.com.cn%2F19279525.pdf" but unfortunately the URL "http://ishare.down.sina.com.cn/19279525.pdf" gives a 403 error. I tried a couple of other search engines, but none seems to find the same PDF. So my question is: What should I use as the replacement for the rotten link? — Sebastian 08:14, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Hello SebastianHelm, I don't know if you're looking for this, but perhaps the following link might be useful: http://ishare.down.sina.com.cn/19279525.pdf?ssig=oVWe2GhRtH&Expires=1514430533&KID=sina,ishare&ip=&fn=论清代行商制度与贸易发展的关系.pdf Thanks, Lourdes 10:33, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

• @SebastianHelm: Looks like Lourdes beat me to the answer. This being said, that link will probably rot fast. If we assume that the Expires key in the URL describes a timestamp past which the file will no longer be accessible, and that is a time in seconds after the Unix epoch, DuckDuckGo tells me that the date is December 28, 2017, meaning the link will expire in a month and a half. OK, that's free speculation on my part, but it does not look unrealistic either; the ishare.down.sina.com domain is probably a file sharing service of some sort. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 10:47, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, guys. Unfortunately, at least as of now, that URL gives me the same 403 error. If it worked for you when you posted it, then it seems to be even less durable. — Sebastian 14:38, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

It seems to me that a PDF file, whatever its content, cannot possibly be acceptable in a reference unless it is hosted on a reliable site. That surely applies equally to an archived copy of a PDF, SebastianHelm? Another PDF with the same title found by Google on a random sharing site might not even be the same document, and even if it is it could be a different version, or have been altered. --ColinFine (talk) 11:56, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

I disagree. It does not matter that the link is given to shadysite.com, unless there are credible reasons to think it was materially altered (or that the site will soon take down the link, or replace it with malware etc.). Of course, knowing the original publisher/website is important in evaluating whether this is an WP:RS, but the link is merely a convenience, not really part of the reference itself; it can be pointed to a file storage site. For example, it is fairly common to point to academics' university pages where they store a copy of scientific articles they published; the pages are WP:SPS, but the reference is to the article that went through peer review, not its particular location on the web. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 12:11, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

You're right, of course, Tigraan, and it's a point I often make myself. I missed that this reference has a title, author and publisher (though no date), so in principle could be obtainable other than by the link. --ColinFine (talk) 12:24, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Might it be an option to host such a document on Commons, subject to the right CC permission, of course? — Sebastian 14:38, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

It is an option only if a (correct) CC license applies, which is unlikely. If the ref details are correct in the Cohong article, it was published by the Chinese Culture University, a private university in Taiwan, which likely retains copyright of some sort. Contrary to the belief of some people (which may or not include you), merely posting something on the internet for anyone to see free of charge does not make it public domain or freely-licensed in any way. Maybe the document is marked as CC or public domain, but I doubt it (I cannot read Chinese). Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 14:55, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Draft:John Wadham (died 1412)

Hello,

I contributed, initially anonymously, to the above Draft:John Wadham (died 1412) a medieval Justice of the Common Pleas, and have only now joined Wikipedia. Can you please tell me, since I am inexperienced, how does the completed Draft now move on to the next stage of becoming a published article ? It has been seemingly stuck at the Draft stage for some months now. I would be happy for anyone competent to do this for me.

With best wishes,

Even-tables — Preceding unsigned comment added by Even-tables (talk • contribs) 11:31, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Even-tables. I have added a template to the draft, with a button to submit it for review. (Putting it for review is not mandatory: somebody could just move the draft to main space, but I would recommend it for drafts by inexperienced editors). On a quick look, it looks a reasonable draft; but the citations could have more bibliographic detail: see referencing for beginners. Since there isn't another article on a John Wadham, the "died 1412" is not required in the title, (we only use such phrases when it is necessary to distinguish articles) but that will get sorted out by the reviewer who accepts the draft. --ColinFine (talk) 12:18, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

• (edit conflict) @Even-tables: What ColinFine said. I took the liberty of moving your draft to Draft:John Wadham already.

In the future, sign your posts by typing four tildes (~~~~) at the end, it will generate a signature+timestamp for you. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 12:20, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Megan Alatini

Please, remove this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimharrison1809 (talk • contribs) 12:45, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

@Jimharrison1809: Please explain why? In the meantime, it seems a recent bot edit left a copy-out tag (<!--) in place which accidentally removed most of the content. I have restored the page. For future reference this is not the right place to request deletion of a page. Please see WP:AfD, WP:CSD or WP:PROD for more information. Please sign your posts on talk pages by typing four tildes (~~~~). Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 13:19, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Thank you! I thought this page is almost empty... Jimharrison1809 (talk) 13:21, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

In-line references

While editing the page Coconut crab, I discovered that the style of referencing is different from other pages which I've worked on: instead of the full reference being added inline, there's just a ref name, with the full ref (author, URL etc.) in a separate section at the end. I've been editing for the best part of a decade and never encountered this style before. There's a very old discussion on the talk page, but nothing since. I found it really cumbersome to edit the page as it's currently laid out, and I think I'd really struggle on a mobile device: is this style a throwback that's being superceded, or just a common alternative style that I haven't encountered before? ~dom Kaos~ (talk) 12:52, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

@Dom Kaos:It is still a fairly common style, although probably not used as often as a 'typical' in-line citation. Please see WP:REFB#Alternative systems. Cheers. Eagleash (talk) 13:09, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying: every day's a schoolday! ~dom Kaos~ (talk) 13:20, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

2020 NBA All Star Game

Can you Move the 2020 NBA All Star Game Article from the talk page to the draft page please. I Would Except it. 68.102.39.189 (talk) 17:32, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Why? It doesn't look like a draft article. I'm suggesting we'd leave it alone! It seems a valid article. QuantumHunter // talk // ☯ // 18:46, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

@QuantumHunter: Because it's a draft that's been started in a talk page. This is a regular request from this (and other associated) IPs who for some reason won't create an account or go through the 'usual channels'. If you want to look through the HD archives you will see they do not like it if nobody moves it for them fast enough! Eagleash (talk) 19:40, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

MOS:NICKNAME

Does MOS:NICKNAME apply to fictional characters ? Example. If it does shouldn't the pagename be Will Riker ? - FlightTime (open channel) 17:46, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

I don't understand what you are meaning, Will Riker already has a "Will" mentioned in the first line of the article along with his full name and the article in my view should use the actual full name but if you want you could create a Will Riker page and then redirect it to William Riker. If that's what your referring to? QuantumHunter // talk // ☯ // 18:44, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

@QuantumHunter: Per MOS:NICKNAME "If a person has a well-known common hypocorism used in lieu of a given name, it is not presented between quote marks following the last given name or initial" An article about "Samuel Smith" does not start with "Samuel "Sam" Smith" - FlightTime (open channel) 20:50, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for your help, but I need a reply from a more experienced user, it's also a good idea to ping the user you're replying to so they know to check their post. Happy editing. - FlightTime (open channel) 20:56, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Reliable sources

Quick question. Does a radio chart show constitute a reliable source? I just encountered an anonymous IP who was adding unsourced information about album sales to the article Sheridan (album), and repeatedly asked them to cite a reliable source when Google failed to produce the sales figures that were being added. Two user warnings later, they came up with this Is that something we can use, or should we wait for something official, whatever that may be. Thanks in advance, This is Paul (talk) 19:25, 10 November 2017 (UTC) .

I think we wait for something "official" I haven't heard anything from the BBC about said album I think citation is need for that and we need to know where is the IP editor getting the info from and if its unreliable it should be removed maybe due to WP:BIAS? QuantumHunter // talk // ☯ // 19:31, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, thought I'd check. I suspect he/she was listening to the chart show, but I've not come across it being used as a citation before. I even checked the Official Chart website, but that doesn't seem to include sales figures. I'll remove it again anyway. This is Paul (talk) 19:45, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Referencing emails I received from the article's subject

I'm working on the article for the band The Academic, and I reached out to the band's manager asking for a freely-licensed photo. In his reply to me, he made suggestions for changes to the article's content that included adding more historical info about the band's formation. Of course, I can't just copy-paste what he said into the article, but I think it would be valuable to get this historical information from him. I think this sort of information would be acceptable for limited use under WP:ABOUTSELF, since it's coming from the band's own manager.

The problem I have is, the information only exists in my private email conversation with the manager, so I'm not sure how to go about citing it. I could publish the email conversation online somewhere, but then I fear it might be considered a self published source, since it's technically coming from me rather than directly from the band (but maybe not, since it'd just be the unedited words of the band manager?). What do you think the best course of action here? Thanks, IagoQnsi (talk) 19:37, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Looks like the own a domain that redirects to the Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/theacademic . Easiest thing to do would be to just get them to post it on there. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 19:50, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

I suppose I could try asking them to do that -- I just worry he might not want to. But I guess I'll give it a shot. Thanks, IagoQnsi (talk) 19:54, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Self-published sources can be used only for limited kinds of information, IagoQnsi, but they can be used. Unpublished information cannot be used, period. --ColinFine (talk) 11:32, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Updating a photo of a state politician with her official government photo - which copyright?

Hello,

I'm attempting to update the photo of the following page with the politician's official government photo, and I'm unsure of what copyright to tag this photo so that it will upload correctly, as it is not a federal government photo, but it is a state government official portrait, so I assume it is in the public domain.

The page I would like to edit is Mary E. Flowers at this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_E._Flowers

The image I would like to use is on this page: http://www.ilga.gov/house/Rep.asp?GA=100&MemberID=2296

URL for the photo: http://www.ilga.gov/images/members/%7B3049B08D-BD65-4FCF-B82C-D46B0B4CCF4F%7D.jpg

Thank you for your assistance.

KRDew1947 (talk) 22:59, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Hello KRDew1947. The Harvard Library tracks the copyright polices of the various U.S. states. According to this Harvard Library webpage, Illinois has relatively restrictive copyright policies regarding state publications, so you cannot assume that this photo is in the public domain. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 23:16, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

How to delete a picture on Wikipedia

Hello, I would like to get this picture of me deleted on Wikipedia. Can anybody tell me how to do it or get it done? Thank you https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jill_Asemota#/media/File:Jill_Asemota.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.224.45.197 (talk) 23:05, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Why? --Orange Mike | Talk 00:55, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

[edit conflict] It isn't on Wikipedia. It's on Wikimedia Commons, a related website whose photos can automatically be used here. To request its deletion, please go to the file and click the "Nominate for deletion" button at the bottom of the left-side menu; this will start a deletion discussion. Please remember to provide a good reason why the file must be deleted, because nominations with poor reasons will be rejected by other people who participate in the discussion, and nominations with no reasons whatsoever will be closed immediately. By the way, the image had been inappropriately overwritten, so I've split it into two separate files. When you left this note, the image you saw was the one now appearing at c:File:Jill Asemota, hand on hip.jpg, so probably you ought to go there for the deletion nomination. Nyttend (talk) 00:58, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

November 11

William H Macy

William H Macy did NOT study veterinary medicine at Bethany College. He and I went to Bethany together. Bethany is an undergrad school only, no vet school or med school of any sort. He was pre-med, but transfered out and changed majors. John Anderson

Fixed. I can't say never, but entertainment TV shows like Inside the Actors Studio are almost never reliable sources, as you noted with this article. Article content shouldn't be based on unreliable sources, so I've removed the components derived from this TV show. Thank you for drawing attention to this problem. Nyttend (talk) 01:06, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Hijacked page

I think that Wikipedia talk:Special:ListDuplicatedFiles page has been hijacked. It's in Chinese, and google translate would suggest that it has nothing to do with duplicated files. There is one edit in the history, and it is the only edit for this particular IP address. I was going to undo it but there is no undo button on the page. Can someone here take care of it, or is there someone I should notify? Leschnei (talk) 00:56, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Leschnei. I deleted that talk page, which is not associated with any actual page. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:08, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Special pages don't have talk pages so we adapted MediaWiki:Perfcachedts to link such talk pages in special pages like Special:ListDuplicatedFiles. The content was unrelated in this case so there was no reason to keep it. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:22, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the help, but that raises another question: if special pages aren't supposed to have talk pages, why does Special:ListDuplicatedFiles link to the page that was just deleted? Leschnei (talk) 01:28, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Special pages don't have talk pages but the MediaWiki software displays MediaWiki:Perfcachedts at the top of some special pages. By default it only contains the message seen at MediaWiki:Perfcachedts/qqx. At the English Wikipedia we changed the message to also link a page in the Wikipedia talk namespace so editors can find a place to discuss the special page. We could have linked any page. It is not a "real" talk page for the special page so there is for example no tabs connecting the pages. MediaWiki:Perfcachedts or other MediaWiki messages create similar links on many other special pages. The talk pages should contain {{Special page talk}} but the deleted page did not. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:04, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

That's very clear - thanks for the explanation. Leschnei (talk) 02:18, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Color error that I can't fix

In most state-level lists of US municipalities, the list has three colors: one for normal municipalities, another for county seats, and a third for the state capital. List of municipalities in North Carolina is typical in that way (Cary, Charlotte, and Raleigh are the three colors in that order), but somehow the capital color's messed up — the first, second, sixth, and seventh columns are the proper shade of blue, but the third, fourth, and fifth (which are encased in a template) are black, rendering them illegible unless you highlight the text. What's going on? County seats have the color #c5f0cd, both inside and outside their column 3-5 templates, and Raleigh has the color #ccf in both places; there's no difference in the coding aside from the colors. It's directly related to the template color specification; for example, every column in the Springfield line of List of municipalities in Illinois (which doesn't use templates) is the proper #ccf color, and the Indianapolis line of List of cities in Indiana is white (because it uses the template without specifying a color), and the addition of |bgcolour=#ccf causes it to become black likewise. Nyttend (talk) 01:17, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

It works for me in Firefox but the used template {{Change}} and its subtemplates use the deprecated bgcolour=... instead of style="background:...". bgcolour is not supported in HTML5. Here is a constructed mixed example where the 3rd and 5th column say bgcolor=#ccf like the template, but I changed the 4th column to style="background:#ccf":

2

Raleigh ††

458,880

403,892

7001136145306170960♠+13.61%

City

Wake (seat), Durham

Do you see the problem in the 3rd and 5th but not 4th column now? What is your browser? All columns look the same to me. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:47, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

You're correct: the problem appears in 3 and 5 but not 4. Must be a browser issue; I'm in IE. Nyttend (talk) 02:10, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

I have changed the deprecated code per WP:HTML5.[1] List of municipalities in North Carolina now looks right to me in IE. The above example is hardcoded without using the template so it will continue to look wrong in IE. Here is the version using the template and looking right in IE:

2

Raleigh ††

458,880

403,892

+13.61%

City

Wake (seat), Durham

PrimeHunter (talk) 16:22, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Yes, I too see this just as I'd expect. Sorry I couldn't help; I was looking up the NC list because I was planning the trip that I made today to the Raleigh metropolitan area. Nyttend (talk) 03:29, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

boy scout council list for sates???

would like to inform you folks that as of 1-2-17 the lewis and clack council in il became part of the greater st louis council, may need to update this info . thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.45.49.152 (talk) 03:53, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for the information. Could you point us to any articles that might need to be updated? Dbfirs 15:49, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

I've updated List of councils (Boy Scouts of America) and Scouting in Illinois. Don't know whether anything else needs fixing. Deor (talk) 22:39, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

How to see the coordinates of a place in the phone

Hi everybody! I use a lot the coordinates option of the top right corner in the wikipedia articles (on the computer) to see where things are placed with maps. But I can't find this option when I am using my phone. I use firefox in Android. Is it possible to see the coordinates? not even requesting desktop site thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davidrdguez (talk • contribs) 15:07, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Hello Davidrdguez. Log onto the desktop site, go to your Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets; scroll down to #Testing_and_development and check the box for Add map popups to coordinates in the mobile website, press Save. The map symbol should appear on the top left side while mobile-browsing Wikipedia articles that have coordinate details. Hope this helps. Thanks, Lourdes 16:40, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error references missing key

The article about Sir George Hill, 1763-1839 had an error in it.

His mother was Hannah McClintock and she was the daughter of John McClintock, but his dates of birth & death were wrong. He should be "John McClintock of Dunmore House, Carrigans, Co. Donegal, 1687-1754" He was not an Irish MPSylvia McClintock Wright (talk) 17:47, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

References

This is about Sir George Hill, 2nd Baronet. We appear to have two Sir George Hills and two John McClintocks. Very confusing! I've removed the unsourced claim. Is your reference published anywhere? Dbfirs 18:52, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

English Minority National Dress representef

I would like to see a new Wikipedia Established page of representative the national historical dress of England which should be represented as

Hawkers and Criers of London from centuries 1600-1700-1800 with illustration and description and pictures stating this.

 Georgian Press gangs

The May day dress of England Mummies of Georgian Merry milk maid Garland with representation of Vauxhall Garden picture and regency painting with Harlequin and regency painting of Perro clown dress , Admiral Nelson costume.

Religious Dissenter Stuart dress and rural Stuart dress

Regency painting of rural occupation and Street sellers

Medieval Middle English Saxon dress and other Medieval English dress.

The information in world martial arts English martial art Quatrain joust With Sword and Shield, Boat joust , Stick wrestling joust, human kick joust with a on there legged stool and Swing joust.

Camping ball from East Anglia Medieval football Civil play boxing element and kick camping kick camping shins

Morris. Dancing stick dance and sword dance — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.144.96.223 (talk) 18:02, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Cite error ref no input

Trying to edit this article which has several important errors in it. Need help with cite errors.

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by JHWoo1999 (talk • contribs) 18:05, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

• Fixed, I think. Every <ref> tag needs to have a corresponding </ref> tag to close it before opening a new one, and you can't have an empty one, which there was at the very top of the page. The easiest way to format them is to click the "Templates" dropdown just above the edit box and fill in the information there. It will then format and insert it. Thanks! Crow^Caw 18:33, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Sandbox

Galobtter declined my first article. that was my sandbox. and it said that I should not write about myself. what kind if information is allowed to be written in my sandbox? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Majid.shab (talk • contribs) 19:06, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Your sandbox can be used for starting articles on WP:Notable topics, but WP:Autobiographies are strongly discouraged. It is usually better to start articles in WP:Draft space where others can easily contribute and help you to get things right. You might like to read WP:Your first article. Wikipedia allows articles only about subjects that have been written about elsewhere in WP:Reliable sources. You may say a little about yourself on your user page, but this must not be an imitation of an article. Your user page can also indicate your interests and how you intend to contribute to the encyclopaedia. Dbfirs 19:28, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Links

Hello:

I understand being a small donor supported ad free website their are going be short coming in contents and its validity. Anyone looking for information should use the journalism principle of verifying facts from multiple sources.

Regardless, that was not the reason for keyboarding this email communique.

It appears that WIKIPEDIA in its objective to be free of outside influence may be constricted in its resources. Case in point, heavy use of links to other sites which is source of the article referenced, makes it at mercy of that site to keep the link active. The source has no obligation to do so as they too are constructed by store space.

So far I have not said anything that operations at WKP is not aware off.

I would like WKP to fund raise for a CLOUD which will have capital and operations cost. The ideal site should be low cost country remotely managed from WKP headquarters. You will need skeleton staff to maintain the site which could combination of locally trained natives and engineering/software u/g student looking to intern for real world experience.

I hope efforts are made in this direction! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.196.233.19 (talk) 19:37, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

When possible, when a link goes dead, Wikipedia will switch links to an archive source such as the Wayback Machine. See WP:LINKROT for more information on this topic. RudolfRed (talk) 22:37, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

On the Psychology of Physics

I would like to contribute my article On the Psychology of Physics. how may I do so? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peter Sheehan (talk • contribs) 20:51, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Peter Sheehan. Please read Your first article and follow the excellent advice there. Please also be aware that Wikipedia does not publish original research, but rather summarizes what previously published reliable sources say about the topic. We do not use "On the . . ." as part of article titles, so Psychology of physics would be a better title, if the topic is notable. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 21:01, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

November 12

John Hussey, 1st Baron Hussey of Sleaford

I have failed when trying to add a file from Commons into the info. box. The file is now at the very top of this page. Sorry. It is of a crest - I also have added a reference which describes crest. Please place INSIDE the box if you are able - at the very top I think it should go. Thanks 101.189.107.58 (talk) 01:20, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

I put it outside the infobox, as it is in Thomas Hungerford (Speaker). I think the portrait that's already there at the top is better. Clarityfiend (talk) 03:19, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

That is NOT a crest, it is a coat of arms. I delight in heraldry used in articles where it was clearly relevant to the subject's era; but please get the terminology right. I suggest you start with achievement (heraldry) and study the components of a full achievement of arms. --Orange Mike | Talk 22:49, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

I want to have a name someone already chosen in Wikipedia

Help — Preceding unsigned comment added by DaveAkilan (talk • contribs) 02:36, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

Hello Dave, WP:USURP has details relevant to your request. Thanks, Lourdes 03:50, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

writing an article on Wikipedia

Kindly give me information about how to write an article here. What is the basic procedure I must follow . Which type of reference I must give . Can topic be of mechanical only. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shivam Joshi MEC (talk • contribs) 03:18, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Your first article is a good place to start. The answer to your "which type" question depends on the subject about which you are interested in writing; if you could quickly explain (just a sentence or two), I could give you a better answer. And I don't understand what you mean about "can topic be of mechanical only"; could you please elaborate? Nyttend (talk) 03:27, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

How can i include references or bibliography references to any articles on Wikipedia ?

Dear Wikipedia Administrators

Is it possible to include Bibliography references from text books or any books on any wikipedia articles ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Showerman05 (talk • contribs) 07:31, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Showerman. Your question is not clear; but if you are asking whether you can cite books as references in Wikipedia articles, the answer is certainly yes, provided they are reliably published (published by reputable publishers). Self-published books may be cited in limited cases (see WP:SELFPUB, but book a from publisher with no reputation is probably not going to be regarded as a reliable source, and so should not normally be cited. Please see referencing for beginners for more on this, and how to cite.

If you mean, can you take items from the bibliography of a a book, and cite those directly in a Wikipedia article, the answer is that you should not cite any source unless you have seen it yourself.

Have I answered your question? --ColinFine (talk) 16:42, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

Template:PD-shape and stub-templates

Why is PD-shape mentioned on "See also" section of documentation for many stub-templates? For example, on Template:Ornithology-stub#See also or Template:Russia-geo-stub#See also. Alex Spade (talk) 16:03, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

It was added to {{Stub documentation}} by Hyacinth with no explanation.[2] I don't see a reason for it. {{Stub documentation}} has 28436 transclusions which produce section edit links to it. Maybe Hyacinth clicked edit on a page where the link is helpful without realising 28000 other pages would get it. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:03, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

Diego Sanchez

Diego is still alive! You have him as died in the ring against Matt Brown? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.63.205.184 (talk) 17:03, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

It was vandalism, removed three minutes before your post was saved. If you still see it then bypass your cache. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:09, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict)If this refers to the Wikipedia page Diego Sanchez, he is shown there as still alive. Unfortunately there was some earlier vandalism to the Wiki page which has since been corrected.

If you are referring to the results of a Google search as here Wikipedia has no control over what is displayed there although the way it is shown often implies that it comes from Wikipedia. There is a 'feedback' link at the bottom of the Google search panel where that information is displayed. Eagleash (talk) 17:16, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

Google has seemingly caught up now. Eagleash (talk) 17:19, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

If an user is no longer an administrative user -- bureaucrat, steward, administrator et cetera -- on project not English Wikipedia, shall description on user pages be editing accordingly.

Per title, what shall an user do? -- Ktsquare (talk) 17:56, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

A user may do nothing or may do something. What is your question? Ruslik_Zero 18:06, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

The section title is the question? -- Ktsquare (talk) 18:09, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Ktsquare. I'm afraid if you are talking about another Wikipedia, then probably no one here can help you. Each language Wikipedia is an independent project, with its own rules and pollcies.

I think that what you are askingis, if a user has mentioned their status as an admin etc on their user page, and they cease to have those permissions, they must remove the claim from their user page? And if they don't may somebody else do so? That's an interesting question. I can't find any policy on the question in English Wikipedia (but as I say, other Wikipedias may have different policies anyway). --ColinFine (talk) 22:19, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

Here at en:wp, we remove such claims, because it produces confusion among those who are looking for someone with those user rights. I don't know what other projects do. Nyttend (talk) 03:42, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Creating new page

I am working in a pgae for the band LAW, The band has a great bio on there website, but almost no other published info. Is there a way i can still reference this? even though it is the subjects on page- update: read farther into the policies and got it cleared up — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jahisreal (talk • contribs) 18:58, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

Hello. Is this problem solved now? If not, you can reference their official website if they have enough info about the band. However, you have to be sure the source you're citing meets Wikipedia's policies. Check Wikipedia:Citing sources for more info.

Happy Editing!

O. neon 20:28, 12 November 2017 (UTC)OfficialNeonO. neon 20:28, 12 November 2017 (UTC) User:OfficialNeon

Hello, Jahisreal. If there is "almost no other published info" about a band other than their own website, then the band is not notable and is ineligible for a Wikipedia article at this time. Please read our notabilty guideline for musical performers. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 22:26, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

how to create a contribution

how to create a contribution — Preceding unsigned comment added by One more creation (talk • contribs) 19:06, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! To be able to contribute to an edit, click on the 'edit source' button located at most articles. However, some pages may be protected to prevent vandalism or for other reasons. Check Wikipedia:Protection Policy for more info.

However, if you would like to make your first article, head over to Wikipedia:Your first article. Happy editing! O. neon 20:22, 12 November 2017 (UTC)OfficialNeonO. neon 20:22, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

Glen Jacobs

I am making an edit for Glen Jacobs by adding his political party. I think that is necessary considering he is currently running for political office. My edit however, is not showing up on his page. Why is this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lmike1330 (talk • contribs) 20:25, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

(Referring to edits of Kane (wrestler).) Because the template "Infobox professional wrestler" does not support a field "political party". The infobox templates (like all templates) only support fields they are coded to handle. I suggest you put this in the body of the article instead of infobox. RJFJR (talk) 20:31, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

Couldn't upload photo

Please find me a solution to add picture in the page which i'm creating now — Preceding unsigned comment added by G Kalpana (talk • contribs) 21:22, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

@G Kalpana: This is your only edit from this account so we don't have any idea what you are talking about unless you tell us. As for the image, where did you find this image? If you just found it on the Internet somewhere please do not upload it here. It is most likely copyrighted and uploading it here will result in it being deleted. If you want more information I'm going to need to know exactly what article and what image you are talking about. --Majora (talk) 21:25, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

El Tùnel

Good morning,

I have a very serious issue with the resume of the book El Tùnel from Ernesto Sabàto. Yes, in fact, this is a book that was very much recommended to me and I was looking forward and happy to read it. I get to the Wikipedia page, start reading this resume. And there it is. The spoiler that ruined my appreciation for this novel. You cannot just put the ending of a book in a resume. You stick to the general history, just as in the back of a book. Unfortunately, it is impossible to rewind and forget this ending, which is, by the way, very tragic. But I think it is only fair that I spoil you a very important even in literary history : Dumbledore dies. Have a good day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Christinaaguilera1234 (talk • contribs) 23:37, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

Hello Christinaaguilera1234, sorry for your experience. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and our content guidelines follow the philosophy that it is not acceptable to delete information from an article because one believes it spoils the plot. There is also consensus amongst Wikipedia editors to not include spoiler alerts in articles. Wikipedia's content guidelines on spoilers and on disclaimers in articles has information relevant to your query. May I also request you to go through WP:IMPERSONATE? The strong suggestion is to not edit under a name that is likely to imply that you are (or are related to) a specific, identifiable person, unless it is your real name. If you have the same name as a well-known person to whom you are unrelated, and are using your real name, you should state clearly on your userpage that you are unrelated to the well-known person. Please feel free to ask for further clarification. Thanks, Lourdes 03:14, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

If one wishes to read a book without knowing in advance how the plot develops, its a good idea to not read an encyclopedia article about that book, particularly a section of that article entitled "Plot summary."

As a (former) bookseller, I've actually come across several books whose vital plot twists are given away in the back cover blurbs. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.200.138.27 (talk) 22:26, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

November 13

auto / any specs

us car guys dont like engine specs put in text. ANY specs for autos need to be in charts. check out old Chrysler factory service manuals. numbers / specs should be in charts. the way you do this makes it hard to find exceptions to the text. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:E870:C6E0:B9C3:755:1F8E:AEAB (talk) 02:02, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

• Welcome to Wikipedia, the Encyclopedia anybody can edit: this includes you. All editors are volunteers. Some editors gather themselves into projects, including Wikipedia:WikiProject Automobiles. Please feel free to join that project and see how they do things, Make your suggestion there, perhaps on the project's talk page, and by all means chip in and help. Note that since those guys, like us on the help desk, are volunteers, you might get better results by using a slightly more positive tone. -Arch dude (talk) 02:27, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

And please be more specific with links to examples. We have thousands of articles about cars. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:40, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Redirects and categories

Should redirect pages generally be in article categories? Eg. Anna Pulitzer. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:48, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Hello Nikkimaria, as per our redirect categorization guidelines, "Redirects are not usually sorted to article categories; however, there are exceptions." Details on such exceptions can be found at Wikipedia:Categorizing redirects#Article categories. Hope this helps. Thanks, Lourdes 05:25, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

My wikipedia page is not searchable or visible in the google search or wikipedia search itself.

I have my wikipedia page named Prabhakar More which is not visible throughout the google search or wikipedia search itself. What should I do now to make visible the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prabhakar More (talk • contribs) 08:13, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Please post, here, a full URL to it. Thanks. • Sbmeirow • Talk • 08:16, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

• @Prabhakar More: I would assume the page is Draft:Prabhakar More. It will not be visible to search engines as long as it is a draft (and even in mainspace where Wikipedia articles live, it will not be visible to search engines until it has been reviewed by a new page patroller).

In its current state, the draft is unlikely to go to the mainspace. Judging by your username, you are highly encouraged to read our advice at Wikipedia:Autobiography, as well as our policies about "notability". Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 10:08, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Prabhakar More. I'm sorry you are having an unrewarding experience, but I'm afraid that, like many people, you have a misunderstanding of what Wikipedia is, and what it is for. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, which contains neutral articles about notable subjects, based almost exclusively on what has been published about the subject by independent people. It may not be used for promotion of any kind, and autobiography is strongly discouraged. The draft Draft:Prabhakar More has not been submitted for review, and would certainly not be accepted in its current form, as it has not one single reference. (And drafts are intentionally not indexed by search engines, as they have not yet been accepted as Wikipedia articles).

If you wish to get your draft to an acceptable level (discouraged, as it is about yourself, but not forbidden), I suggest you read your first article, and then find several places where people who have no connection with you have published in-depth pieces about you. If you cannot find such places, give up. If you can, then throw away everything you have written, forget everything you know about yourself (difficult!) and write a new article based solely on what those people unconnected to you have written. --ColinFine (talk) 10:09, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Robert Weverka

Robert Weverka Spectre (1977 film) I Love My Wife (film) The Magic of Lassie List of The Waltons episodes Charles Sellier [3] [4] [5] [6] 64.175.41.175 (talk) 08:16, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Hello, What is your question about how to edit Wikipedia? Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 12:24, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Section heading colour

Is it possible to change it? (Not for articlespace clearly) — fortunavelut luna 12:14, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

@Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi: Yes, using something like == <span style="color:red">Heading text</span> == -- John of Reading (talk) 12:53, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

@John of Reading: That's very clever- thank you very much for your help! Cheers, — fortunavelut luna 13:15, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

About Certain Music Stars

I Have Been a Fan Of Country Music All My Life & My Father Also Did Country In His Early Yrs & We Followed The People From The 40's To Today ,,, I Read An Article In Wikipedia About Charlie Pride , Ever Since I Can Remember I've Known His Birth date To Be March 18,1938 BUT In Wiki It Said Something Different . Richie — Preceding unsigned comment added by Richie62 (talk • contribs) 18:37, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Our 1934 year of birth come from The Country Music Hall of Fame. If you can find a reference to a later date, then please let us know. It is not unusual for celebrities to publish later dates of birth as they get older. Dbfirs 19:06, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Page on Betterez and the concept of reservations and ticketing management

Hi, I am receiving some pushback about a page I am trying to create on Betterez and the concept of Reservations and Ticketing Management. A page on this subject would be useful as many major companies are using this ticketing technology to improve their ticketing and reservations systems. Major investors such as JetBlue Technology Ventures and Amadeus Ventures have invested in this company and having a dedicated Wikipedia page would help others who are doing research on the subject. How do I go about doing this? I received a few comments from your team about how it's not suitable but I'm having trouble understanding why technology that is impacting travel around the world isn't suitable. Betterez has had several press articles written about it and can link to outside sources. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.99.145.70 (talk) 19:37, 13 November 2017‎ (UTC)

See WP:Help desk/Archives/2017 November 8#Help with new page. --David Biddulph (talk) 20:02, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Article will not show up in Google Search

Hi,

An article I created will not show up in google search results. Even adding the article to Google Index site, does not fix the problem. Here is the article. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shane_Berkery

Any suggestions would be appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Berko45 (talk • contribs) 20:05, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

@Berko45: New articles are noindexed for 90 days or until they are patrolled. See Wikipedia:Controlling search engine indexing#Indexing of articles ("mainspace"). PrimeHunter (talk) 21:03, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

2018 SEC football season

Can You Move the 2018 SEC football season article from the talk page to the draft page please. I Would Accept it. 68.102.39.189 (talk) 21:09, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Trolling

I am a victim of trolling by a Wikipedia user who made racially motivated remarks about my background, gender and religious believes on my Wikipedia talk page, as well as making various unfounded accusations about me. I have complained about this person's actions to the police. Trolling is not good for Wikipedia. Regards--WikiRecontributer47 (talk) 22:03, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Note There is a discussion relating to this post at WP:COI/N#User:WikiRecontributer47.

@WikiRecontributer47: Please do not make any sort of legal threat on Wikipedia per WP:NLT. If you have an issue with an editor's behaviour you can file a report at WP:ANI. Please be aware that any discussion there will review the behaviour of both parties. Eagleash (talk) 22:19, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

I have not made any threats however this person have been trolling me and I have reported this to the authorities as trolling is a criminal offence in United Kingdom.WikiRecontributer47 (talk) 22:22, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Not there is a case open about this user here Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard#User:WikiRecontributer47 as well.