The contentious topics procedure applies to this article. This article is related to post-1992 politics of the United States and closely related people, which is a contentious topic. Furthermore, the following rules apply when editing this article:
You may not make more than 1 revert within 24 hours on this article (except in limited circumstances)
Changes challenged by reversion may not be reinstated without affirmative consensus on the talk page
Violations of any of these restrictions should be reported immediately to the arbitration enforcement noticeboard.
Editors who are aware of this topic being designated a contentious topic and who violate these restrictions may be sanctioned by any uninvolved administrator, even on a first offense.
With respect to the WP:1RR restriction:
Edits made solely to enforce any clearly established consensus are exempt from all edit-warring restrictions.
Edits made which remove or otherwise change any material placed by clearly established consensus, without first obtaining consensus to do so, may be treated in the same manner as obvious vandalism.
In order to be considered "clearly established" the consensus must be proven by prior talk-page discussion.
Reverts of edits made by anonymous (IP) editors are exempt from the 1RR but are subject to the usual rules on edit warring. If you are in doubt, contact an administrator for assistance.
Whenever you are relying on one of these exemptions, you should refer to it in your edit summary and, if applicable, link to the discussion where consensus was clearly established.
If you are unsure if your edit is appropriate, discuss it here on this talk page first. Remember: When in doubt, don't revert!
This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourcedmust be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to this noticeboard.If you are a subject of this article, or acting on behalf of one, and you need help, please see this help page.
This article is of interest to the following WikiProjects:
Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details.
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Fashion, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Fashion on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.FashionWikipedia:WikiProject FashionTemplate:WikiProject Fashionfashion articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject New York City, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of New York City-related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.New York CityWikipedia:WikiProject New York CityTemplate:WikiProject New York CityNew York City articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Slovenia, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Slovenia on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.SloveniaWikipedia:WikiProject SloveniaTemplate:WikiProject SloveniaSlovenia articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject United States, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of topics relating to the United States of America on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the ongoing discussions.
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Women, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of women on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.WomenWikipedia:WikiProject WomenTemplate:WikiProject WomenWikiProject Women articles
Melania Trump is within the scope of WikiProject Catholicism, an attempt to better organize and improve the quality of information in articles related to the Catholic Church. For more information, visit the project page.CatholicismWikipedia:WikiProject CatholicismTemplate:WikiProject CatholicismCatholicism articles
Is there data in the public domain about how successful (or not) her jewelry line was please? Or even more basic info like how many pieces of jewelry she helped design?Zigzig20s (talk) 21:26, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It seems fairly trivial, and it's unrelated to modeling. If someone can find several strong sources that cover this, I won't oppose putting the information back, in a more appropriate location.- MrX 🖋 22:20, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Of course we should include it. If it doesn't go under "modeling" it should have its own subsection. But there is plenty of coverage about it. [1] What's more she still sells her jewelry,[2] and there was a bit of a kerfuffle when the White House website promoted it.[3] --MelanieN (talk) 15:16, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Then feel free to re-add it with some good sources, but can we please not write in log style?
"On April 30, 2010, Trump began selling her own jewelry line on QVC"
Also, we can't just include the flattering effusions and comparisons to Jackie O. There is substantial coverage her COI, and about how her fashion choices communicate various things or have been widely criticized as inappropriate. (Pussy bow; flood stilettos; $51,000 outfits, etc). I trust we're all OK with that?- MrX 🖋 17:27, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
No, because this should not be a tabloidy attack page. This is supposed to be an encyclopedic article. She spent years designing and marketing her own jewelry line. That is a significant aspect of her career. Whatever she wears on a given day is irrelevant gossip. The comparison to Jackie O is historically relevant, but off topic in this thread.Zigzig20s (talk) 04:12, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, but we can't just include the things that you like while excluding the things that you don't like. If the topic is "analysis of her fashion choices", then any relevant material that is properly sourced should be include in proportion to its coverage in reliable sources. That's how we achieve a neutral point of view.- MrX 🖋 11:04, 3 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I added a short paragraph about her jewelry and other businesses to a new "business" section. We still need to do something about the "Fashion" section. MelanieN (talk) 00:29, 4 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. I moved the content chronologically and thematically. We could move the fashion subsection to her personal life section perhaps? And by the way, we need to add more about her philanthropic engagements over the years. There is a lot on Newspapers.com.Zigzig20s (talk) 04:41, 4 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
General no to story du jour fashion critiques of her heels, outfit cost, etcetera. The world is full of critics is not news and not relevant to her life. Her jewelry line is something she did and belongs. Unless it is something of enduring impact to her life, or goes on big time for many weeks, just ignore fashion critics. Cheers Markbassett (talk) 01:04, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
That's fine, but only if we remove the critiques that compare her outfits to those of Jacqueline Kennedy and Nancy Reagan. Also, if we're going to gush over her designer outfits, it's reasonable to include analysis of the cost, appropriateness, and other aspects. - MrX 🖋 10:59, 3 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
This is irrelevant as long as taxpayers are not paying for it. Besides, many public figures wear clothes on loan for designers to promote their new collections. She is married to a billionaire--she can afford nice clothes--there is nothing of encyclopedic value here.Zigzig20s (talk) 04:46, 4 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Of course it's relevant. Who pays for her clothes it is not the point at all, nor does it have anything to do with our requirement to follow WP:DUEWEIGHT. I don't give a tinker's damn what other people do. Whataboutism is annoying.- MrX 🖋 13:41, 4 July 2018 (UTC).[reply]
Edit request to permanently change 'Assumed office' to 'In role'
I hereby request a consensus for permission to change the header of 'Assumed office' of infobox of the Melania Trump to 'In role'. There are apparently some people who keep reversing this edit so I'm asking for a consensus on this in order to solve this. The title label should read 'In role' because 'First Lady of the United States' is not a political office (see also the definition of political office according to Wikipedia) and is also not an official title. It carries no official duties or responsibilities and is merely a honorary title granted to the wife the President. As such 'Assumed office' is an inaccurate descriptor. All previous First Ladies are also referenced in this way: one can check the pages of for example Michelle Obama, Hillary Clinton... for this.
Civciv5 (talk) 10:26, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
We don't usually list "– present" in the infoboxes, and "In role" doesn't seem quite right either. IMO, "Assumed role" should be used until her role as First Lady is finished... then "In role" once she has left the White House. Michelle Obama's page wasn't changed to "In role" until , and used "Assumed office" up until her last five days in the White House. Corky18:15, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Fine with "Assumed role" instead of technically incorrect "Assumed office". No need for "to present" per general infobox usage. — JFGtalk13:54, 2 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
FYI I have made a change to Template:Infobox officeholder/office so that the |term_label= parameter is allowed to override the default "Assumed office" phrase. Now whatever label is chosen will appear, without the requirement to add an artificial |term_end= set to present. I have set it to "Assumed role" but that may change depending on how this discussion develops. At least the technical basis for a change is now in place. — JFGtalk14:08, 2 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Semi-protected edit request on 20 July 2018
This edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.
Change the last name of photographer Matthew Atanianin to Atanian
In the paragraph Statement on bullying, after a first sentence on the subject, there is another sentence regarding "the contrast of her platform with her husband's use of Twitter during his campaign". First, I do not see why it is in this paragraph, as the subject is different. Secondly, it is unclear as it does not explain what actually was the contrast referred: can someone please clarify this? Thanks. 79.19.80.120 (talk) 17:46, 14 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
They are both WH spokespeople, they are husband and wife, and her statement contrasts with the behavior of the President. Without her statement that she rebukes him for bullying, her platform statements on bullying would sound hypocritical. I think it would be a WP:BLP violation to leave out the second sentence. O3000 (talk) 18:12, 14 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
On bullying
Today she said in an interview that she started her Be Best anti-bullying campaign because "I am the most bullied person on the world."[4] Someone added that to our section on her anti-bullying campaign, and someone else removed it. [5] Personally I think it belongs there, because it got an enormous amount of coverage. [6] Most of the coverage focused on the twitter-storm of mockery she got for saying it, which might or might also be mentioned. (Particularly if she responds to the mockery by saying "See what I mean?") What do others think? --MelanieN (talk) 18:20, 11 October 2018 (UTC) (That's Melanie, not Melania 0;-D)[reply]
I feel that it is taken out of context and does not belong unless we include a lengthy section on it - which I do not think is a very good idea either. Gandydancer (talk) 18:35, 11 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Reading the full section of that talk it is clearly out of context and not even what she corrected it to right after. Is this blurb that important? PackMecEng (talk) 18:45, 11 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The lack of context is a good point. Also the fact that today's twitter-storm is tomorrow's wastebasket contents. Maybe wait a day or two and see if this goes anywhere. --MelanieN (talk) 18:50, 11 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Hi all, my feeling at this stage is that the comment merits inclusion as it got an enormous amount of coverage around the world, but I agree that it would be helpful to include a bit more context, something along the lines of: "In October 2018, during an interview with ABC News, Trump explained that she had started her anti-cyberbullying campaign because "I could say that I'm the most bullied person on the world". When the interviewer, Tom Llamas, asked if this was really true, Trump replied '"One of them - if you really see what people are saying about me"
Done - 
