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Rory McShane

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WP:AUTOBIO of a political strategist, not properly referenced as passing WP:GNG. The references here do not constitute reliable source coverage about him -- right across the board, they constitute glancing namechecks of his existence in coverage of other people. As always, our notability standards are not passed just because newspaper articles can be found in which the subject's name gets mentioned -- Rory McShane has to be the subject of a source, not just a giver of soundbite in a source about somebody else, before that source actually supports his notability at all. And even if he could be properly sourced as passing our notability criteria, our conflict of interest rules would still preclude him from starting the article himself. Bearcat (talk) 17:43, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 23:27, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 23:27, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 23:27, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 23:29, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

KEEP Bearcat, How do you know it is a WP:AUTOBIO? WP:GNG clearly states " Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material." Several of these articles are not trivial and are based entirely on interviews with him< https://www.(b)reitbart.com/politics/2017/06/26/how-corey-stewart-went-full-troll-and-stunned-virginia-politics Breitbart is blocked for some reason so you have to change the (b) to a b

but also...

 --Johnston49er (talk) 19:21, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Furthermore, Rory McShane lead counter protests to the Westboro Baptist Church when they protested in Washington DC he is a consistently published author in the political consulting industry's leading publication Johnston49er (talk) 19:29, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

References

Firstly, I know it's an AUTOBIO because the creator's username is Rkmcshane — and besides this, the only other contributions Rkmcshane has ever made to Wikipedia at all have been to articles about people who are directly named in this article as clients of McShane's, which pretty much eliminates the slim possibility that Rkmcshane is just a person who coincidentally happens to have the same surname and initials as the article subject. Secondly, interviews in which a person is talking about himself are not notability-makers — a source has to represent third party coverage about him written in the third person, not a Q&A interview in which he's speaking about himself or something else, to support his notability. And while a person does not have to be the sole topic of the source material, he does still have to be more than just glancingly namechecked a single time in an article whose actual topic is somebody else entirely — we're looking for coverage about him, which is not the same thing as coverage about other people that just mentions his name in the process. Thirdly, Breitbart is not a reliable or notability-assisting source at all — and neither is Generation Progress, which is an organizational blog, not a media outlet. Fourthly, people do not get over our notability criteria by being the published author of content about other things, as verified by their own primary source directories of their own content — people get over our notability criteria by being the subject of reliable source content written by other people. Bearcat (talk) 20:11, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

That might be evidence but it's not necessarily proof. For example I could claim that because you are homosexual Canadian you have a vested interested in reducing the standing of a conservative political consultant. I do not, however, much like you, do not have proof of this so to submit that as a statement of fact seems very presumptive. It could be a big fan of Rory McShane who edited it. You keep saying McShane McShane McShane it could be China It could be anyone, it also be someone sitting on their bed that weights 400 pounds. It could be anyone. But also you are practicing WP:REPEAT on saying it has to be coverage about him even though the WIKIPEDIA:GNG you cited says that is unecessary --Johnston49er (talk) 00:39, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

• Delete per Bearcat. SportingFlyer talk 23:43, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

WP:PERNOM is to be avoided SportingFlyer --Johnston49er (talk) 00:11, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Per that link "If the rationale provided in the nomination includes a comprehensive argument, specific policy references and/or a compelling presentation of evidence in favour of keeping or deletion, an endorsement of the nominator's argument may be sufficient." I've done this before with Bearcat, a user who frequently writes good AfD nominations, since I have nothing else to add, but if you want me to throw in a clear autobio/fails WP:GNG, I'm happy to do so. SportingFlyer talk 00:26, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

But then that would be WP:REPEAT--Johnston49er (talk) 01:11, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

KEEP I think the man is relevant to modern GOP politics. He's received a ton of media coverage and has had major clients. Perhaps the article should be edited to be more neutral. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SamuelLeDoux (talk • contribs) 02:09, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

• Delete. as promotionalism . I'm going to disclose one of my tricks, any bio that has "achieving the rank of Eagle Scout." is either pure PR or totally naive. that's for beginner's job applications when they have nothing else to say, it's not encyclopedic notability. to confirm the promotionalism , It has a photo caption "international media has also relied on McShane's insight and analysis." which is thorougly promotional content as for the rest of the article, it tells about the notable politicians & causes he " helped " to one degree or another, and the interviews he gave--just as his job requires. DGG ( talk ) 03:04, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Interesting given Jeff Roe the singlest most notable Republican Strategist in politics today has that in his article too. --Johnston49er (talk) 03:20, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

• Delete as WP:PROMO. Beyond the promo issue, passing mentions and quotes in available sources do not rise to the level of significant coverage required by the WP:GNG. Additionally, Bearcat is almost certainly correct about the COI issue, based on behavioral evidence. Bakazaka (talk) 05:26, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
• Delete - Lacks the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources to establish notability. -- Whpq (talk) 05:39, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Keep Per Johnston49er also article has been up for well over a year Bearcat is clearly retaliating because of sour grapes over Chris Fails --OmegaDeltaAlpha (talk) 06:34, 2 January 2019 (UTC)