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It’s difficult to see past the renovation scaffolding, but the pigeon wiring was electrified, according to earlier versions of the article. Unless a stand-alone power supply was used, the wiring,switching,and circuitry of the anti-pigeon system would have been vulnerable to a stunner or duqu-like cybercrime. It’s not clear in the fire videos because the scaffolding. Belvoir[[Special:Contributions/49.104.1.41|49.104.1.41]] ([[User talk:49.104.1.41|talk]]) 09:15, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
It’s difficult to see past the renovation scaffolding, but the pigeon wiring was electrified, according to earlier versions of the article. Unless a stand-alone power supply was used, the wiring,switching,and circuitry of the anti-pigeon system would have been vulnerable to a stuxnet or duqu-like cybercrime. It’s not clear in the fire videos because the scaffolding. Belvoir[[Special:Contributions/49.104.1.41|49.104.1.41]] ([[User talk:49.104.1.41|talk]]) 09:15, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 15 April 2019

the functional status should be changed since it is burning down ATM Marius137 (talk) 18:09, 15 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Done - Thank you - MrX 🖋 18:22, 15 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 15 April 2019

Cathedral of Notre Dame caught on fire on the afternoon of April 15th. As of now, there is no known cause or reason to what caused this fire. This is one of the busiest weeks for the Cathedral because of Easter.

[1] Rick-James33Chains (talk) 18:17, 15 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/15/world/notre-dame-cathedral-fire/index.html
 Already done- MrX 🖋 18:21, 15 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 15 April 2019

Number of towers: 1 (previously 2) DimitryKrakitov (talk) 18:26, 15 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@DimitryKrakitov: Source? StudiesWorld (talk) 18:32, 15 April 2019 (UTC) (modified: StudiesWorld (talk) 18:33, 15 April 2019 (UTC))[reply]

Semi-protected Edit Request on April 15 2019

The copper statues were actually removed from the spire three days ago and were not on the spire during its collapse, as suggested by the article. It is unclear from sources whether they were on display inside the cathedral or offsite.

Source: https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/tourists-stunned-as-notre-dame-cathedral-statues-fly-above-paris/ar-BBVS8mt Chelsea99 (talk) 18:53, 15 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Past tense and categories

I know this is still going on, but sentences need to be changed to the past tense afterwards and the article should be added to ruin categories. It currently states that the fire has only "caus[ed] significant damage", which is as much as an assumption likely turning out to be wrong. --94.134.89.24 (talk) 19:27, 15 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, the firefighters have given preliminary statements just a few minutes ago that the interior has been largely destroyed.  :-( The loss to Western Civilization is tremendous. 104.169.29.171 (talk) 21:04, 15 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Leave the tenses alone, and skip the ruin business. There's plenty of time to adjust appropriately once the damage has been assessed. Acroterion (talk) 22:48, 15 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Creative commons

Due to the fire, I plan on releasing most of the following photos of Notre Dame into CC as part of preservation. However, it may take me time to get to. If any of the photos are of immediate use, let me know and I will prioritize. photos.app.goo.gl/7WacjSHeUPy8ViAYA ResultingConstant (talk) 19:50, 15 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. It's hard to say what images would be priorities at the moment, but I'm sure many of them will be useful eventually.- MrX 🖋 20:24, 15 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Cats

I added Category:2019 fires and Category:Monuments historiques in Paris to the article. Both have been removed for no good reason that I can see. Should they be restored? Mjroots (talk) 21:05, 15 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The fire category would go on the page about the fire. I don't know about the other. Randy Kryn (talk) 23:01, 15 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The building is a Monument Historique, so there's no good reason that it shouln't be categorized as such. Mjroots (talk) 10:09, 16 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 15 April 2019

63.144.233.246 (talk) 21:06, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
We need to point out that the external supports known a Flying Butresses may prevent the collapse of the walls as the roof has been destroyed and most of the contents. 63.144.233.246 (talk) 21:06, 15 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done - This template must be followed by a complete and specific description of the request, that is, specify what text should be removed and a verbatim copy of the text that should replace it. "Please change X" is not acceptable and will be rejected; the request must be of the form "please change X to Y". Also, be sure to include a source or two. - MrX 🖋 22:08, 15 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Images of the Spire

None of the images on Commons shows details of the ornaments of the spire. Is there any possibility to get some that show the ornaments and especially the figures in the lower part that were not removed? The same applies for among many other details the rose windows that, according to rumors, were damaged. -- Liberaler Humanist (talk) 00:08, 16 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Destruction

Just saw in the news that a fire has devastated the structure. No word yet on whether it's terrorism or accident. Given the severity this probably needs its own section correct? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.26.71.102 (talk) 01:07, 16 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

There's a whole article that covers all of that: Notre-Dame de Paris fire, linked in this article. Acroterion (talk) 01:11, 16 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

World Heritage Site?

Apparently not, although one wonders why. There are other cathedrals in France that are. One thinks that if it were, the cathedral would attract more worldwide donations to help in its reconstruction. JohnClarknew (talk) 02:56, 16 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

What has this got to do with improving this article, which is the purpose of this talk page? Railfan23 (talk) 03:40, 16 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It's a good question, and if it were a World Heritage Site and that was missed on the page then it would be a major improvement. Randy Kryn (talk) 04:01, 16 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
A bit of digging revealed the cathedral is part of a WHS covering the entirety of the Seine as it flows through Paris. This information has, appropriately, been added to the infobox. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 04:51, 16 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Protect This Article

Vandals are spamming it every few minutes, and it has reached the point where a few news sites have done articles on the vandalism (such as this page). You guys should lock it to stop it. 09:21, 16 April 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8003:AD3C:200:CDBF:DF71:5081:A063 (talk)

Someone requested it, but it got declined Wikipedia:Requests for page protection § Notre-Dame de Paris.
ThomasBur (talk) 09:29, 16 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Update: It's now semi-protected for 12 hours.
ThomasBur (talk) 09:32, 16 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Damage has been assessed by the fire now

The fire was declared extinguished on the morning of the 16th of April, damage includes the main spire, the roof, further assesment is still occurring Sophiepangal997 (talk) 09:51, 16 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 16 April 2019

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}Spelling error} Faisal8488 (talk) 10:32, 16 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Faisal8488 where is the spelling error?- MrX 🖋 11:28, 16 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"the first time" in info box

Adding "the first time" following the year of completion of construction seems awkward and unnecessary. Take, for example, the article on Reims Cathedral. It suffered similar significant damage during Word War I and was repaired, but it doesn't have a "the first time" and a "the second time." Just seems like unnecessary and un-encyclopedic language resulting from emotion instead of fact. 66.26.135.7 (talk) 12:42, 16 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 16 April 2019

Sadedtiter (talk) 15:49, 16 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]


change "is" to "was" a cathedral

 Not done: Nope, it's still is. - FlightTime (open channel) 15:50, 16 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 16 April 2019

In 1793, during the French Revolution, the cathedral was rededicated to the Cult of Reason, and then to the Cult of the Supreme Being. During this time, many of the treasures of the cathedral were either destroyed or plundered. The twenty-eight statues of biblical kings located at the west façade, mistaken for statues of French kings, were beheaded.[1] Many of the heads were found during a 1977 excavation nearby, and are on display at the Musée de Cluny. For a time the Goddess of Liberty replaced the Virgin Mary on several altars.[2] The cathedral's great bells escaped being melted down. All of the other large statues on the facade, with the exception of the statue of the Virgin Mary on the portal of the cloister, were destroyed.[3] The cathedral came to be used as a warehouse for the storage of food and other non-religious purposes.[4]

Please include that the original bells were melted during the French Revolution.

In 1793, during the French Revolution, the cathedral was rededicated to the Cult of Reason, and then to the Cult of the Supreme Being. During this time, many of the treasures of the cathedral were either destroyed or plundered. The twenty-eight statues of biblical kings located at the west façade, mistaken for statues of French kings, were beheaded.[1] Many of the heads were found during a 1977 excavation nearby, and are on display at the Musée de Cluny. For a time the Goddess of Liberty replaced the Virgin Mary on several altars.[2] The cathedral's great bells were melted down.[5][6] All of the other large statues on the facade, with the exception of the statue of the Virgin Mary on the portal of the cloister, were destroyed.[3] The cathedral came to be used as a warehouse for the storage of food and other non-religious purposes.[4] 2601:447:4101:5780:5029:A1A3:66FE:7F63 (talk) 18:12, 16 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ a b "Visiting the Cathédrale Notre-Dame de Paris: Attractions, Tips & Tours". planetware. Archived from the original on 16 May 2017. Retrieved 21 April 2017. {{cite news}}: Unknown parameter |dead-url= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)
  2. ^ a b James A. Herrick, The Making of the New Spirituality, InterVarsity Press, 2004 ISBN 0-8308-3279-3, p. 75-76
  3. ^ a b Cite error: The named reference notredamedeparis.fr was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  4. ^ a b Cite error: The named reference Chavis was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  5. ^ "The Bells at Notre Dame Cathedral". EU Touring. Retrieved April 16, 2019.
  6. ^ "Notre-Dame fire: Treasures that make it so special". BBC. April 16, 2019. Retrieved April 16, 2019.
I don't think eutouring.com is a reliable source. The other source (BBC) is ambiguous, but the way I read it is that some of the smaller bells were melted down for cannon balls. It does not seem to support the proposed change: "The cathedral's great bells were melted down." - MrX 🖋 20:44, 16 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Not a destroyed landmark

This page is in the category "Destroyed landmarks", but it has not been destroyed. David G (talk) 19:44, 16 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

restoration

https://www.pcgamesn.com/assassins-creed-unity/notre-dame notre dame to be restored using help from assassinscreed video game 37.254.85.236 (talk) 20:32, 16 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Visitation rate

The puff statistic:

12 million people visit Notre-Dame annually, making it the most visited monument in Paris.

Needs to become:

Before the fire, 12 million people visited Notre-Dame annually, making it the most visited monument in Paris.

But the fire isn't mentioned yet, so this also requires a restructuring. — MaxEnt 21:24, 16 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thank You!

My thanks and compliments to those who made such timely updates in wake of the fire. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gcottay (talk • contribs) 21:47, 16 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

American or British English?

Which dialect of English should be used for the writing of this article? I, as an American, am partial to American English myself. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 00:34, 17 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Per MOS:RETAIN, we should be using the existing format, which seems to be American English (several instances of -ize, center, color, etc). SounderBruce 02:17, 17 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"Towers..." statement re bells is inconsistent; "Bells" section needs work

This statement:

The ten bells of the cathedral are located in the south tower. (see Bells below)

seems inaccurate, as the Bells section discusses bells in the north tower, too, among the Cathedral's largest. The entire Bells section seems to need better organization, as it is unclear to me (a layperson, not a scholar) how many bells in total and where some are. The section also needs rhetorical review for matters such as verb tense ("was being produced"), encyclopedic tone ("unfortunately") and clarity (e.g., taken literally, "a new set of eight bells for the North Tower of Notre-Dame Cathedral was being produced, along with a Grand Bell for the South Tower," suggests that all but one of the cathedral's bells is being replaced.) Eplater (talk) 02:47, 17 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 17 April 2019

There is an objectionable photo in the top right side of the page. The photo is probably taken from a porn site and I do not see any connection of the photo with this article. Please remove the photo. 158.144.12.140 (talk) 04:37, 17 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I removed the image. I'm not sure how that happened. The sad thing is it's still featured elsewhere on the English Wikipedia as well.
Dpm12 (talk) 04:41, 17 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
 Note: Closing this request as the issue seems to be fixed. Alucard 16❯❯❯ chat? 05:14, 17 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Someone keeps replacing the images in the infobox with porn images

Why? It's starting to get frustrating deleting all of them! Dpm12 (talk) 04:52, 17 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure how they did it either cause the page is semi protected, and all of the recent edits have been from registered users, not anons. --PatrioticProletarian (talk) 05:18, 17 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, the files are on Wikimedia Commons. The vandal uploaded another version of the file there. I have blocked them and deleted the versions. Jianhui67 T★C 05:21, 17 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Electrified pigeon deterrent wiring switching duqu Stucksnet risk

It’s difficult to see past the renovation scaffolding, but the pigeon wiring was electrified, according to earlier versions of the article. Unless a stand-alone power supply was used, the wiring,switching,and circuitry of the anti-pigeon system would have been vulnerable to a stuxnet or duqu-like cybercrime. It’s not clear in the fire videos because the scaffolding. Belvoir49.104.1.41 (talk) 09:15, 17 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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