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It was established as the feast of Saint Valentine by the Roman Catholic Church. The 14th of February is Saint Valentine's Day. Just because it has been usurp for commercialization does not change the fact that it is still a Roman Catholic Holyday aka Holiday. The title and tag should read Saint Valentine's Day, also called Valentine's Day" This whole thing is an Anti-Catholic attack, a blatant assault to remove any and all religious connections. But one can not and should not be allowed such cultural appropriation. It would be unacceptable if it was done to any other group of people. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/73.119.97.123|73.119.97.123]] ([[User talk:73.119.97.123#top|talk]]) 17:18, 14 February 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
It was established as the feast of Saint Valentine by the Roman Catholic Church. The 14th of February is Saint Valentine's Day. Just because it has been usurp for commercialization does not change the fact that it is still a Roman Catholic Holyday aka Holiday. The title and tag should read Saint Valentine's Day, also called Valentine's Day" This whole thing is an Anti-Catholic attack, a blatant assault to remove any and all religious connections. But one can not and should not be allowed such cultural appropriation. It would be unacceptable if it was done to any other group of people. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/73.119.97.123|73.119.97.123]] ([[User talk:73.119.97.123#top|talk]]) 17:18, 14 February 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

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Revision as of 22:50, 14 February 2020

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valentines day association with bird song

In the section discussing Chaucer's love birds it is stated that "it is an unlikely time for birds to be mating in England"

In fact anybody familiar with the countryside in Britain will be aware how regularly each year bird song - especially chaffinches and skylarks - starts in the middle of February. The birds are not necessarily mating then but establishing a territory and calling for a mate.

The article is presumably written by somebody in North America not familiar with the British countryside.

A correction is in order I think. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neilsavory (talk • contribs) 21:06, 15 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, this looks like original research by someone who doesn't have a clue about bird behaviour. Catfish Jim and the soapdish 10:16, 14 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Holiday question

I do not think it is correct to say that Valentine's Day is a holiday. Normal activities are not suspended for Valentine's Day. People still go to work. People do not get any extra rest. 58.179.5.119 (talk) 21:43, 25 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Not promotional spam

It is not promotional spam to include an image of Swedish celebrities having Valentine's dinner in a relevant part of the article. Reverting. Also please see Talk:Indian Love Call#Image of a duo singing the song replaced by movie poster. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 18:39, 4 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Please discuss here User_talk:SergeWoodzing#Emil_Eikner if necessary and also read WP:NOTPROMOTION. Flooding commons with photos of this person his amateur cabaret group and various other of his interests and then adding these photos on wikipedia projects is clearly spamming. Domdeparis (talk) 06:49, 5 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Please stop referring to my talk page, which I have asked you to stay away from with these spam accusations! --SergeWoodzing (talk) 18:46, 5 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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It's a pleasant collection of garbage.

Protestations to the contrary, this "article" reads like a Hallmark promotional piece. Throughout is lots of chatty "informative" filler, like in fact or additionally, that usually indicates an author has a bias and is sneaking in viewpoint statements.

Let's begin with it is not a public holiday in any country. It is NOT some sort of religious holiday, OR a civil holiday, rather a commercial event. A century from now (assuming "civilization" hasn't yet collapsed), we'll likely see all sorts of faux religious and patriotic nonsense pasted onto Black Friday too, as Thanksgiving before it.

The piece has a huge underlying flaw: repeated use of fallacious argument from authority. One second, VD is held up as though some sort of High Church event, which claim is defended by… hmm… stating that "lots of people do it." There's far too much emphasis upon the semi-imaginary "Saint Valentine." There's probably no one such person: honoring one or more early saints named Valentinus.

For starters, I recommend distancing the article content from claims to religiosity. Apparently there are at least 1,486 Roman Catholic saints, with estimates that the actual number may be "over 10,000"; few have a Wikipedia article about their feast day. After the lede, pains should be taken to remove the term "Saint" (which isn't used in the title) unless specifically referring to an established historical personage, and at that should be minimal. The focus of the article is inherently NOT religion or Romance per se, but the commercialization of "love." Leave discussion of Saint Valentine to Saint Valentine.
Weeb Dingle (talk) 16:20, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Add romantic holiday to the first lead paragraph

My edit to add information about the romantic aspect of the day in the first paragraph of the lead was just reverted as original research (as if I'm the only one who knows about it). Not including a mention of it there seems counter to an encyclopedic article about Valentine's Day, and now that the views are up to 20,000 daily this should be quickly addressed. After that revert I'm more likely to agree with Weeb Dingle about lessening the religious aspect in the lead, especially in the first two paragraphs where romance or the commercialization of romance isn't mentioned. Does this need an RfC to include the romantic vision of holiday (its common usage) in the first lead paragraph or can we just agree to add it? Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 18:04, 5 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

How long has it been like this, without the romantic holiday being in the first lead paragraph? If nobody objects I'll move my reverted edit (maybe with a slight edit) back into the page again later today. Randy Kryn (talk) 04:17, 6 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
User:Randy Kryn, the introduction of the article already emphasizes the romantic nature of the celebration, as it states "The day first became associated with romantic love within the circle of Geoffrey Chaucer in the 14th century, when the tradition of courtly love flourished. In 18th-century England, it evolved into an occasion in which lovers expressed their love for each other...". In fact, the entire third paragraph is devoted to discussing this. I strongly disagree with removing any of the historical/religious background from the lede as this is equally important to the context of Valentine's Day. In the spirit of compromise, however, I suggest that we modify the second sentence of the lede, to state: "Valentine's Day is recognized as a significant cultural, religious and commercial celebration of romance in many regions around the world, although it is not a public holiday in any country". This revision includes all three aspects of the commemoration and also mentions that it is a "celebration of romance". What are your thoughts? I look forward to hearing from you. With regards, AnupamTalk 04:32, 6 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
That works well if users agree (how about a comma after 'religious'?). As long as it's in the first paragraph, which is what any reasonable reader would expect (or what's that guideline, WP:ASTONISH, I don't know if it fits but it sounds like it would). Adding the sentence you propose into the lead then covers all the bases, which would need to be covered in the initial introduction of an encyclopedic page on Valentine's Day. Thanks for your thoughtful analysis of the request. Randy Kryn (talk) 04:38, 6 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
User:Randy Kryn, you're very welcome. Indeed, the additional of a serial comma would be fine. Feel free to implement our agreed change to the lede as you see fit. Thanks, AnupamTalk 05:26, 6 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Done, thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 05:39, 6 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Nevertheless, VD is not a civic holiday, which the lede says; it's on many published calendars, but so is "Daylight Savings Time Begins" (and, on mine, "Tax Day") so that does little to cement its status.

And being a "feast day" doesn't make it a church holiday, even for Catholics, who need at least four "feast days" per day to duly honor just their core 1,400 saints.

A holiday is a day set aside by custom or by law on which normal activities, especially business or work including school, are suspended or reduced.

FWIW, I had no intent whatever to float the idea of "removing any of the historical/religious background from the lede" — rather that its roots should be described, then any further claims to religiosity end by turning the reader to Saint Valentine — almost all of the Saint Valentine section should be removed as better served by that article. VD is at best an observance, an early "hashtag holiday" somewhere between "National Peanut Butter Day" and "Secretary's Day" in significance.
Weeb Dingle (talk) 19:09, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I also disagree with Weeb Dingle's problematic suggestion. The celebration owes its name and early roots to Saint Valentine. Had it not been for the Church selecting this day in the calendar for his feast, it would not be celebrated. Most articles describing feast days of the Church (that others have also joined in to celebrate, e.g. Saint Patrick's Day) include a short biography, with an internal link to the main article. This article does the same and there's no reason to change it. Capitals00 (talk) 21:20, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 7 February 2018

Hello Fellow Wikipedians,

I would like to suggest a change in the following part of this article.

Scandinavia In Denmark and Norway, although February 14 is known as Valentinsdag, it is not celebrated to a large extent, but is largely imported from American culture, and some people take time to eat a romantic dinner with their partner, to send a card to a secret love or give a red rose to their loved one. The cut-flower industry in particular is still working on promoting the holiday. In Sweden it is called Alla hjärtans dag ("All Hearts' Day") and was launched in the 1960s by the flower industry's commercial interests, and due to the influence of American culture. Annzacharia (talk) 04:58, 7 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: I don't know how that link is relevant, and I don't believe there is any other change. Please read our guidelines on external links. Anon126 (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 05:03, 7 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

There are two sections on Lebanon

I am not an expert on Valentines day, but I noticed that there are 2 sections on Lebanon under 4.2 Asia: 4.2.6 and 4.2.14. Perhaps the content can be combined? I would presume all the content should be under 4.2.6 as all the countries appear to be in alphabetic order.

RandomMonkey (talk) 21:15, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Adding Finland

I'd like to add the info on Finnish tradition:

Finland

In Finland Valentine's day has been recognized since the 1980s. It was officially added to the calendar 1996, but it's not celebrated as a public holiday. It's not associated specifically with romantic love, but as "Day of friends". The event is marked with similar traditions as elsewhere with cards, small gifts etc. given to friends. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MrTal69 (talk • contribs) 10:25, 14 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

gratuitous bloat

The article is largely an ever-growing list of fancruft, unfounded trivia. At 107K, the resultant bulk vastly outweighs the topic's importance. Rather than including every VD outcropping worldwide, all that stuff deserves to be removed, because either

  1. if it's at all significant, then BY DEFINITION there is a similar (likely better) list published somewhere else, which ought to be cited in the article and otherwise minimally reproduced here, or
  2. no such list(s) exist, therefore the information isn't significant enough to deserve inclusion in a Wikipedia article

Choose one. Synthesis remains synthesis, whether a mile-long list is created by one editor or by a hundred.

VD is not really "a holiday" because NOBODY gets job vacation, there are no parades, and government offices continue to function. (I at least get a paid day off for Citizen's Day.) What is celebrated IS NOT a Catholic feast day of any significance, and I'm pretty sure no Pope has sanctioned Hallmark Cards or Fanny Farmer as purveyors of official indulgences.

Because of all the useless padding, the page is bulky, unwieldy, reader-unfriendly, and likely a bad match with smartphones. Per Wikipedia:Too much detail,

…one should consider the significance of his/her additions. Is it something the topic is widely known for? What is its connection to the topic's notability? Any indiscriminate detail should be removed. Readers might lose interest when a portion of an article goes into too much detail on one specific aspect. Other times, readers might question how so much detail on something is important to the topic. Wikipedia is not supposed to be a collection of every single fact about a subject.
When an article or section has too much content and becomes bloated, it is common for other editors to place the {{Overly detailed}} or {{Very long}} tags within an article. In such instances, delete details that can be reasonably removed.

Per Wikipedia:Article size:

Readable prose size What to do
> 100 kB Almost certainly should be divided
> 60 kB Probably should be divided (although the scope of a topic can sometimes justify the added reading material)
> 50 kB May need to be divided (likelihood goes up with size)
< 40 kB Length alone does not justify division
< 1 kB If an article or list has remained this size for over a couple of months, consider combining it with a related page. Alternatively, the article could be expanded; see Wikipedia:Stub.

Inarguably, WP articles on holidays and "holidays" are frequent target for fanboy bloat. Comparisons: Christmas stands at 164K, Halloween at 146K, Thanksgiving (United States) 106K, New Year's Day 47K, Saint Patrick's Day 82K, Yom Kippur 51K, Hanukkah 95K, May Day 45K, Martin Luther King Jr. Day 29K, Arbor Day 32K, Flag Day (United States) 19K.

So, ship the trivia elsewhere, or delete it entirely. Knock the article size back below 50K — though I doubt it'll support even 40K.

Rather than simply eliminate the nonsense (beginning with the unsubstantiated claims), I will gladly create Saint Valentine's Day around the world.

There's your discussion.
Weeb Dingle (talk) 20:53, 17 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You may be forgetting that references and lots of other things aren't counted as text when measuring length, so this page is fine. Trivia is fine too, and of course it's a holiday (?) (try getting by Valentines Day in many countries if you're dating or married without considering it a holiday). Randy Kryn (talk) 21:17, 17 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hugs for Soldiers and Conversation Hearts

Really? A photo of the candies and no mention in the text?

Also, see this.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 21:06, 5 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Request of Help

I was looking for some small help. I created an article Valentine's Day in Pakistan. While article subject orientation is related to Romance relationships and festival, but in some parts of the world it touches serious issues like violations of women's rights & Human rights At this stage looking for help in better chronological order within article, and continued copy edit help in times to come.

Thanks in advance.

Bookku (talk) 05:00, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"Valentine's Day, also called Saint Valentine's Day" this should read the other way around.

It was established as the feast of Saint Valentine by the Roman Catholic Church. The 14th of February is Saint Valentine's Day. Just because it has been usurp for commercialization does not change the fact that it is still a Roman Catholic Holyday aka Holiday. The title and tag should read Saint Valentine's Day, also called Valentine's Day" This whole thing is an Anti-Catholic attack, a blatant assault to remove any and all religious connections. But one can not and should not be allowed such cultural appropriation. It would be unacceptable if it was done to any other group of people. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.119.97.123 (talk) 17:18, 14 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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