Talk:Jerusalem

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 13 November 2019

source 241: "facts and trends 2012" (PDF). Retrieved 12 March 2013 change (or add) link to: facts and trends 2019: https://jerusaleminstitute.org.il/en/publications/facts-and-trends-2019/ - Jerusalem Institute for Policy Research ( Organization name had changed) OR the 2012 version correct link: https://jerusaleminstitute.org.il/en/publications/jerusalem-facts-and-trends-2012/ ___________________________ Source 341: "Jerusalem, Facts and Trends 2009–2010, p. 11" (PDF). Jerusalem Institute for Israel Studies. Retrieved 12 February 2016. Correct the link to https://jerusaleminstitute.org.il/en/publications/jerusalem-facts-and-trends-2009-2010/ - _______________________ Erela G (talk) 07:35, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

 Done Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 23:27, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

There is a dumb mistake in this article

In 2019, the USA and lots of countries around the world agreed that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel. The American embassy is located in the heart of Jerusalem, in a neighborhood that according to the article here, is part of East Jerusalem, and isn't recognized as part of Israel. Please update. Gavrielbowman (talk) 22:46, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

"lots of countries" is simply false. "East Jerusalem" is more complex, since the location is inside a no-mans-land defined by the armistice agreements. Zero^talk 02:13, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

The armistice agreements have been dead by definition since June 1967. Gavriel, this is Wikipedia. All articles about Jerusalem (and indeed, Israel) are full of bias and propaganda.

The removed maplink

@Onceinawhile: hi, and sorry to bother. I see you removed a maplink ("remove awkwardly placed external link"): . I cannot figure out what it was, or why it was unneeded/awkward, and I apologise for that. Can you please clarify? In general, I find the removal of information, without replacement, to take smth. away that can be of some use. I hope I'm not being too pedantic. Thanks, and stay well! Arminden (talk) 13:59, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

I don't want to speculate but it may have something to do with formatting. When I looked at the version of the article before the removal, the map doesn't show up on my screen. Let's ping Onceinawhile. Sundayclose (talk) 15:51, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi both, it has been bothering me for a long time – I have been thinking about ways to make the layout better but there don't seem to be alternatives. It was just hanging there underneath one infobox and two navboxes (which is already too much in my opinion) without a frame or a caption. It doesn't seem to add anything encyclopaedic to the article, and on my screens – mobile and desktop – it just got in the way of the timeline. Onceinawhile (talk) 17:05, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

I guess the only thing it was doing was showing a picture of the municipal boundaries of the city, but I am not sure it would count as a WP:RS for that purpose... Onceinawhile (talk) 17:10, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Well, if it DID show the municipal boundaries, as it does here on this page, that is very relevant and interesting and it should be included in the article, of course with a caption. If the lead is too crowded, then in the post-1967 context, since that's when the municipal borders were extended to include outlying Arab villages and Jewish settlement areas. That's precisely why this map is VERY relevant indeed. All peace talks went about establishing the future Palestinian capital in those areas (or not), since if that's Jerusalem, too, then it should cover the Palestinian needs (see relation to Abu Dis, laying right outside the municipal borders, with its abandoned Parliament building). That's a major topic, picked up again by the Trump plan, and the map is the best visual for it. Cheers, Arminden (talk) 08:22, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Agree with Arminden, there was a proposal to merge Jerusalem municipality with this article a little while ago, if that is relevant at all.Selfstudier (talk) 09:44, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Selfstudier, thanks, but I see a misunderstanding here: you mean an article that only deals with the town hall, even if it is confusingly titled "Jerusalem municipality". It is this article here that deals, for all practical intents & purposes, with the Jerusalem municipality as an administrative unit. Arminden (talk) 10:01, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I did wonder. Still agree with you, in any case.Selfstudier (talk) 13:03, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Careful with historical periodisation

Please see arguments in favour of periods as they are now on Talk:History of Jerusalem during the Middle Ages page under "Wrong title!". Thanks. Arminden (talk) 17:54, 22 May 2020 (UTC)