User talk:Caglarkoca

Yaşar Kemal

You have still failed to provide sources. Khoikhoi 16:06, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

WPTR

Sadece ismini eklemen yeterli. Projenin sayfasini izlemeye alman da iyi olur. Su anda WPTR çok faal degil cunku orijinal structure ve layout'u yuzunden çok buyuk bir verimlilik saglayamiyor. Tam su siralar birkaç kisi ile beraber WPTR'i yeniden dizayn etmekle mesguluz, ama template'lar vs derken epey zaman aliyor. Eger istersen su projeye de katilabilirsin: Wikipedia:Greek and Turkish wikipedians cooperation board. Eger baska birsey için yardimci olabilirsem don't hesitate to ask! Cheers! Baristarim 13:38, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Armenian

>Your information states that you know perfect Armenian. Maybe you can help me with Armenian while I help you with Turkish so that we will both have a better understanding on the issue. Please remember that for our interest to discuss the issue as scientifically as we can (we are both engineers, so we both must have known what scientific is:)) It is the best to stay away from dogmatic information as much as we can. Thanks

Sure Caglarkoca, that sounds to me like a good idea. Let me know when you need something. Serouj 23:12, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Armenian Genocide

Selam. :-) I have seen the Turkish article. "Ermeni soykırımı iddiaları" means, "Armenian genocide allegations", right? And then there's the Ermeni Tehciri article ("Armenian Deportation"?). I have a few concerns about this. I know that we all as Wikipedians have to respect WP:NPOV, but we also have to respect WP:NPOV#Undue weight. Most historians seem to recognize the events as a genocide, while a minority of historians (including most Turkish historians, McCarthy, Lewis, etc.) disagree. However, they hold a minority view, and it wouldn't be accurate to present the two views as 50/50 in the article. I appreciate your efforts to make the article more neutral however. I'm glad you've made good use of the talk page. You can reach me at Special:Emailuser/Khoikhoi. Kolay gelsin, Khoikhoi 04:39, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Replies

1. We have to cite "reliable sources" when writing articles. Concerning the Armenian genocide, the Turkish government is far from being reliable.
2. Everything you put in the article was already there. Much of it is also in Denial of the Armenian Genocide.
3. We have to respect the "Undue Weight" policy. We can't present two theories as equal if one is only supported by a small minority. In this case, the minority view is put in it's own section. Consider the Holocaust. We put all the arguments denying it in this chapter of the article. The same is done on Armenian Genocide.

Now you're from Turkey, so I doubt you're making these edits in bad faith, but don't forget that the Turkish view (be it true or not) is not the generally accepted one. Cheers. yandman 16:48, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Hey

Hey s'up.. I saw what you wrote on the talk page of AG... I think you should reconsider simply because it is not easy to accomplish great things as soon as joining wikipedia. I know that it is a tendency among many editors to head-dive into the hottest articles, but that's not a good idea to begin with. It can lead to frustration :)) The best attitude is to start out by trying to find other things that you might like.. For example me and some users have been trying to get the Turkey article to Featured Article status. It is currently in Good Article review.. The Good Article review for the Suleiman the Magnificent article is on hold, there are improvements to be done that are noted in the talk page. Check them out if you would like, you will find them more rewarding :)) If I can be of some help in anyway, pls feel free to contact me. Cheers! Baristarim 22:39, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Armenian Genocide

Caglarkoca> I thought of you higher when we first wrote on the issue. Maybe I was wrong. I am very sorry for your losses and for the misfortunes that your ancestors have lived through. But do not attack me as if I killed them. Therefore nothing is going to haunt me.

Caglarkoca, thank you for your condolences. You should understand that as the direct descendants of those who carried out the genocide of the Armenian people and as the future inheritors of the republic of Turkey, you and your countrymen share the responsibility of reconciling with the Armenian people on this issue in the form of:

1. The acceptance of guilt on the part of your ancestors almost a century ago.
2. Reparations paid to the Armenian people (negotiable, and likely a combination of money and land)
3. Renouncement of Turkey's ambitions for Pan-Turan, which calls for the annihilation of the modern day Armenia and the Armenian people living there.

This is your generation's responsibility. Otherwise, denying the premeditated intent of your government to annihilate the Armenian people from their historic homeland would be seen by the Armenian people and the world as complicity to this heinous crime, and will continue to fuel violence between our peoples -- something I don't think either of us wants, and thinks is useful for our two peoples.

Armenians want peace, Armenians want closure; both come through healing of old wounds; healing starts with recognition. Serouj 07:11, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

There is a significant difference between a massacre and a premeditated and coordinated plan by a government to annihilate an entire nation. The latter is known as a genocide. Serouj 11:34, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Encouragement

Caglarkoca, I would encourage you to continue translating the Turkish article to add parts of it to the "Armenian Genocide" article. The article will never be 50/50 in terms of the pro- and against arguments. But as other users pointed out on the AG talk page, the opposition side seems to be rapidly disappearing from the main article. It will probably be nonexistant soon, with everything relegated to the very POV "Denial" article.

So I would start with adding small bits text rather than making any large changes at first. You might also work with Fad(ix) to go over the translations and to have a good summary of the Turkish position. Whatever happens, don't get discouraged! Lima6 19:08, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

I'll see to that next week, just remind me, if you have other translated materials bring them on in my talk page. Regards. Fad (ix) 03:43, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Doğançayır

No problem! I saw that the article needed some fixing-up. I read about the Seydisuyu in an article about the Eskişehir Seyitgazi Museum. This is also how I added some info to Seyitgazi. :-) Hoşçakal, Khoikhoi 09:47, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Selam

Hmm, generally in the talk pages of the articles it is best if English is used, however in the talk pages of users, there shouldn't be a problem communicating in another language.. As for the e-mail, just go to my userpage and in the "toolbox" on the left-hand corner under the search box, use the "e-mail this user" botton.. Glad you came back though, it might take sometime to adjust the ways of Wikipedia at first, but the more you learn how it works, the easier and less stressful it will become to make improvements. If you need any help or have a question, feel free to drop a line.. Cheers! Baristarim 16:31, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

If you would like, you can also check out the Wikipedia:Greek and Turkish wikipedians cooperation board, and Wikipedia:WikiProject Turkey However the WP TR is under extensive renovation, and many templates along with categories are being created, and it should be up and running in a couple of days. There is not much to do there for the moment. Baristarim 16:37, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

I struck out what I just wrote since you have already run across them :) There is so much to do that sometimes I get confused :) Baristarim 16:40, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Armenian archives

Hi Caglar, I noticed your question about the Armenian archives was not really answered. Regarding these I would like to say that they ARE open. I have never heard of a single case of anybody, of any origin being denied either a visa to Armenia or access to the Armenian archives. This having been said however, Armenia became independent in 1918, while the genocide was primarily in 1915/16. So... what exactly would you hope to find in the archives of a country that came into existence after the event, on land outside of the genocidal area, whose newly declared capital had been a dusty village of 20,000 at the turn of the century? I'm just trying to say that these are (as odd as it may seem) not nearly as useful as the archives of Turkey, Germany, the US and Britain in this matter. --RaffiKojian 04:09, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

METU

Hi, it would be very good if you can add a mention of these societies as a simple paragraph or two. In addition to those you've mentioned, Dagcilik Toplulugu and Muzik Topluluklari (people call it MT) are particularly notable in my opinion. I already added a link to the full list of student societies sometime around last year when I spent a good deal of my time working on the article. It's in the "external links" section near the bottom. Good to see someone from METU! Regards, Atilim Gunes Baydin 21:38, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Golden Horde

Please do not delete referenced information, especially if that information is taken from sources such as Encyclopaedia Britannica. Though Britannica is not always the superior source, it has a superior status until superior sources are presented - usually scholarly articles from experts specialized on a special field. Tājik 00:53, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Counter

http://tools.wikimedia.de/~interiot/cgi-bin/Tool1/wannabe_kate :) Caglarkoca 02:21, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Golden Horde

Done. Khoikhoi 20:12, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Türkiye Portalı

Merhaba geçenlerde Türkiye Portalını seçkin portallara aday gösterdim Wikipedia:Featured portal candidates/Portal:Turkey. Fakat bir Vikiproje Türkiye üyesi dışında kimse oy kullanmadı. Gelen karşıt oylarla kabul edilmemiş oldu. Lütfen oyunuzu kullanın.--Absar 12:25, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Atatürk

Atatürke atfedilen o sözlerin hepsi düzmece...hic merak etme. hatta Ermenilerin kendi dergilerinde bunun düzmece oldugu yayinlanmis. Su an elimde belgelerini tutuyorum. icab ederse scan edip yarin göndericem. Rauf Orbaya yapilan atifi bilmiyorum ama daha önce yüz kere gödügümüz "hatali" ceviri yada kesip bicmelerden biridir. Bakmaya bile degmez. Atatürk nutukta ve Amerikan generali Amiral bristole yazdigi mektupta konuyu etraflica anlatir ve "Türk halkinin elleri bir hassa temizdir" diyerek kapatir.neurobio 00:24, 8 January 2007 (UTC)