Talk:Persecution of Kashmiri Shias

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This article is supported by secondary scholarship that is cited in reference list.

1. Zaheen, "Shi'ism in Kashmir, 1477–1885", International Research Journal of Social Sciences, Vol. 4(4), 74–80, April (2015).
2. Prof. Saiyid Athar Abbas Rizvi, "A Socio-Intellectual History of Isna Ashari Shi'is in India", Vol. 1 (pp. 168–178), Vol. 2 (p. 37) Mar'ifat Publishing House, Canberra (1986).
3. Christopher Snedden, "Understanding Kashmir and Kashmiris", Oxford University Press, p. 29, (2015).
4. Ildikó Bellér-Hann (2007). Situating the Uyghurs between China and Central Asia. Ashgate Publishing, Ltd. p. 20-21. ISBN 978-0-7546-7041-4.
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8. Jadunath Sarkar, "History of Aurangzib", vol. 5, pp. 323-325, Orient Longman Ltd, Delhi (1952).
9. Andreas Rieck, "The Shias of Pakistan", p. 3 & 16, Oxford University Press, (2016).
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Dr. Hamza Ebrahim (talk) 01:56, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Dr. Hamza Ebrahim:, please note the following:

International Research Journal of Social Sciences references is removed and substituted with {{citation needed}} as it is a WP:PREDATORY source. Please do not add them back.
Please do not remove the maintenance tags. They are provided for letting readers to know the shortcomings in the article, where editors including you can improve upon. It should not pose any threat to the article, and would be removed in the course of time as the article improves.— Amkgp 💬 15:10, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Title

Dear Santosh L & Amkgp!. Initially the title was "Destruction of Kashmiri Shias", some other editor changed it to the present title. "Destruction of Kashmiri Shias" is translation of the term "Taraaj-e-Shia" that is used for these events in history books. I think we should use it as it is more precise and it has a history. Dr. Hamza Ebrahim (talk) 11:18, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dr. Hamza Ebrahim, If you want to change the title, wait until the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Genocide of Kashmiri Shias is closed after complete discussion. — Amkgp 💬 11:22, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Copy Paste Issue

Dear Amkgp, this article predates https://lubpak.net/archives/357655. Check https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Genocide_of_Kashmiri_Shias&action=info

Dr. Hamza Ebrahim (talk) 11:49, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, removed tag. — Amkgp 💬 11:51, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

mughal deceit is written too lightly in the background

>In 1586 CE, Kashmir was merged with the Mughal Empire. Mughals appointed talented officers and contributed greatly to the cultural and economic life of Kashmir.

Kashmiri kings fought 3 wars with mughals which they won. Then suddenly mughals came, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Kashmir#Mughals_(1580s%E2%80%931750s) and "in 1589 CE. Akbar conquered Kashmir by deceit.

This is interesting because yousuf chak was a shia and the general shia population was the same, around 5%. This means just by numbers alone, one can assume only 5% of army was shia. This implies when the wars were first won against mughals, both shia and sunni (95%) were united and the wars won were a result of this cooperation. Then how come suddenly you turn from buddies to arch enemies which the mughals were quick to take advantage of? The general consensus is that mughals, seeing their defeat multiple times ended up sending saboteurs to the valley who raised the shia-sunni infighting.

I find the tone of this article really troubling. There is no doubt harsh injustices were done against the minority shia, i am not contesting facts but simply saying shia-sunni divide is because sunnis consider them heretics and are out for their blood is simply not true. Time and again external factors have fanned the flames for their personal gain and while the masses might go with the flow and do untold bad things, the base intention needs to be analyzed as well. Mhveinvp (talk) 09:26, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]