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Change Talking Tom and Friends logo

On 24 March 2021, the franchise recently changes its logo alongside its most apps. Lkas123 (talk) 09:43, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

@Lkas123: Welcome to the Teahouse! If you are talking about changing the logo on Wikipedia, you have to upload an image. The new logo will fall under a non-free file; however, United States copyright law allows one to use non-free images of low resolution, called fair use. Sungodtemple a tcg fan!!1!11!! (talk) 12:07, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

It's worth adding to this that Wikipedia's policy on using non-free files is more restrictive than fair use law, and the non-free content criteria must all be met for a fair use file to remain on Wikipedia. If this is a change in logo and the logo is non-free then you can add the new logo in the article to replace the old one. However, depending on the simplicity of the logo it may actually be ineligible for copyright, so that we can use it freely. Are you able to provide an external URL link to an image of the new logo? — Bilorv (talk) 14:01, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

I had a look at the official website listed in the external links section of Talking Tom and Friends, which has a thumbnail of the logo. Apparently the logo change is relatively minor (the old logo (used at Talking Tom and Friends and Talking Tom and Friends (TV series)) was white text with red outline but now it is red text with no outline, and the "AND" has been replaced with "&"). Besides, since the logo is just text, I believe it is not eligible for copyright, though I may be wrong. 45.251.33.225 (talk) 15:44, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

By the way, do text-only logos qualify for copyrighting under any circumstances? AFAIK they shouldn't but I'm curious (I'm the same IP that explained the difference between the logos. please don't ping or message me, as I am on a dynamic IP range). 45.251.33.215 (talk) 14:02, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

The concept of threshold for originality varies from country to country; some like the US have a comparitively high threshold, while others like the UK have a comparitively low threshold. So, whether a simple text logo is going to be considered eligible for copyright protection depends upon the laws of the country of origin and how the courts have ruled. See c:COM:FONT for more on this. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:45, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

And would the logo we are talking about be eligible for copyright in Slovenia (which is a EU member), which is where Outfit7 (the franchise owner) is based? The page at commons doesn't say anything about Slovenian logos though they do discuss logos in general, but I noticed that Google Chrome's logo, which is more creative IMO, is not eligible for copyright (presumably because Google is American and the threshold of originality is higher there?). 45.251.33.137 (talk) 04:10, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

According to c:COM:TOO Slovenia, Solvenia's threshold of originality depends "field of creativity", but I'm not sure how to exactly apply that to File:Talking Tom and Friends logo.svg, the logo currently shown on the series's official website or even to File:Outfit7 Logo 2018.svg. Moreover, three countries are listed as the "country of origin" for the series and none of them is Slovenia; so, maybe Outfit7 doesn't own the copyright on the logo or Slovenia isn't the country of origin. If you want to find out more about this you can ask about them at c:COM:VPC; the file's are uploaded to Commons so there's no much Wikipedia can do about them.

As I posted above The concept of threshold for originality varies from country to country; some like the US have a comparitively high threshold, while others like the UK have a comparitively low threshold. So, whether a simple text logo is going to be considered eligible for copyright protection depends upon the laws of the country of origin and how the courts have ruled. The US has a pretty high threshold of originality compared to some other countries (e.g. it doesn't apply a sweat of the brow type of rationale to assessing creativity); so, many logos for US companies (see c:COM:TOO United States) are considered ineligible for copyright protection), but these same logos might be treated differently from a TOO standpoint by other countries.

FWIW, people are uploading files to Commons all of the time, mostly in good faith, and probably none of them actually contact a copyright lawyer and go to court before doing so. They either upload the file based upon what they have been able to find out on their own or from others about file licensing or simply don't bother to worry about at all. So, lots of files are uploaded to Commons which eventually end up deleted for one reason or another. Sometimes the only way to kinda sort things out is to actually go to Commons and start a discussion about a particular file. Even if these three files weren't OK for Commons, they certainly could be uploaded locally to Wikipedia as non-free content if you wanted to be really cautious, but they should even be OK to be uploaded to Wikipedia as {{PD-ineligible-USonly}} because they would be {{PD-logo}} in the US even if they weren't in their countries of origin. Commons requires content to be freely licensed or PD in both the United States and in its country of origin; Wikipedia only requires the former if the content would be considered PD in the US under the principle of national treatment. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:44, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Okay. I suppose that the logo update can wait since the old logo is still rather similar to the new one (and I'm too busy). As for the absence of Slovenia from the country of origin, it may be because someone keeps on adding America as a country of origin and maybe quietly removing Slovenia because the actual production is not done in Slovenia (the only American thing about the series is the actors' nationalities and the pronunciation of whatever words they say, otherwise it's a fully European series, as it is broadcast in the UK, was initially animated in Austria and is currently animated in Spain). I've readded it since Outfit7 does own the franchise and has never sold it as far as Google can say. 45.251.33.137 (talk) 11:09, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

New Article and Editing on Wiki

Thanks for inviting me to the Tea House. I'm loving Wikipedia.

My account is just 3 days old.

1. How do I submit my article to the live space so its visible to all?
2. I have photos from our official photographer but Wikipedia keeps showing error messages when I try to upload/submit them. How can I bypass this problem?
3. Lastly, how do I create/add a template/box showing details like name, occupation, siblings, spouse on the right side of my article?

These will be helpful so I can contribute more and also help edit some of the content I have seen so far. Mister Ishmael (talk) 17:42, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Mister Ishmael Your draft, at User:Mister Ishmael/sandbox appears to have a copyright conflict with https://www.accessgambia.com/information/oko-drammeh.html and also possibly with https://thepoint.gm/africa/gambia/article/profile-of-oko-drammeh-gambian-music-promoter. In addition none of the content has in-line references. I leave your other questions to other Teahouse hosts. David notMD (talk) 18:02, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Mister Ishmael, and welcome to the Teahouse. It's nice to be able to welcome new, enthusiastic editors to Wikipedia. Unfortunately, you have chosen to underake the hardest task here - that of creating an article about a subject you are connected with, and with no prior editing experience or understanding of what is and isn't allowed. It is often best to spend some time making small edits to existing articles and gradually building up experience - rather like driving a car for the first time.

In its present form, your article at User:Mister Ishmael/sandbox stands little chance of being added to the encyclopaedia, although it is possible that the subject might be meet our notability criteria. You clearly indicate that you are connected with the subject, so please declare your Conflict of Interest, as described here. But if you are being paid, or an employee, then you must follow the guidelines at WP:PAID to disclose your connection. Please don't try to bypass the issue over photographs - if you did not take them, then you have no right to release them for commercial re-use. Only the copyright holder of the image can do that. Focus more on making the article more like a readable encyclopaedia page, and less like a biased, promotional CV. Try The Wikipedia Adventure to gain more experience of editing and ensure you stay Neutral at all times. I could say more, but I am being called to dinner! Kind regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 18:08, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Indeed, Mister Ishmael, I echo what Nick Moyes said. Your question is a bit like saying "I'm new to building, but I've built a house and I want to know how to put the windowsin and the roof on". Unfortunately, until you have learnt the craft of building, and surveyed the land to make sure that it is fit to build on (= investigated whether your subject meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability), your house will probably fall down around you! --ColinFine (talk) 18:54, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

All content must be supported by in-line references (placed in the text), or else the draft will automatically be Declined. David notMD (talk) 11:45, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

@Mister Ishmael: I don’t know about Gambia or USA specifically, but in many jurisdictions photography gets an exemption from the general work-for-hire rule. Unless it’s explicitly stated in the contract, the photographer retains copyright even if they were already paid to take the photos. Most likely, to avoid deletion, you will need him/her/them to send a release to OTRS, upload it themselves as "own work", or show a contract that assigns copyright to yourself. For the technical issue you mention in point 2, we would need to know some detail about the error messages to help with that. Pelagic ( messages ) – (22:53 Tue 30, AEDT) 11:53, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Missing article on the xC programming language

I am considering starting an article on the "xC" programming language. This is a language related to the occam (programming language) both in theory and in the design process and some of the people involved. xC is a proprietary language, with a free toolset (xTIMEcomposer) by the company XMOS.

I am a retired programmer who use the xC language a lot, and also blog about it. But I also have a disclaimer there that contains "I have no affiliation with any of the companies or persons I mention in my notes. I have no ads, there’s no money involved, no gifts are accepted. No donations, no affiliate advertisements, no rewards and no supporter support! It’s entirely a hobby with no income of any sort. Just fun and expenses." So I have nothing to do with XMOS except for the few support mails.

I am also affiliated with the local university NTNU in Trondheim, Norway: where I work with real-time / concurrency programming related matters, mostly as a censor.

I consider that the xC language really is in need of a Wikipedia page.

How do I proceed to make sure that such an article has enough notability for Wikipedia not to want to delete it later on?

I would consider the fact that it is proprietary as the biggest obstacle to finding independent sources, but it certainly is visible in the Tiobe index at https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/programming-languages-definition/. Plus, when the occam page managed to get this notability, it should be possible to also find such sources for xC.

I am a little uncertain about "xC" or "XC", I'd have to query about this. XMOS seem to use it spelt either way.

I was thinking to start it at first and add { {compu-prog-stub} } to it. That would be needed. Making such an article not being a programming manual is also challenging.

PS. I discoverd that there was no xC page when I added it to the LLVM page the other day. Øyvind Teig (talk) 14:35, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Aclassifier, and welcome to the Teahouse. As with all Wikipedia articles on any subject, the first and most important question is whether or not the subject meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability, which mostly translates into: Are there enough reliably published independent sources about it? Being propriertary is not an issue, but if that means that there is little about it that is not written or published by the team or the company who produce it, then it will not be notable, and there is no point in your spending any time trying to create an article about it. --ColinFine (talk)

Thanks ColinFine. I had noticed about notability, I guess that's why I asked. There are quite a lot of available documentation on the xC programming language. However, finding reliable sources from outside of XMOS is challenging, I guess. I can query about this at the XCore Exchange Community forum, and see if I can get any help there. Is there any way to "protect" an article for some time (perhaps with the { {compu-prog-stub} }) to see what might come up by other authors? Or maybe alternatively suggest a source list here? –Øyvind Teig (talk) 21:11, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Aclassifier. Rather than thinking about "protecting" an article, I urge you to use the articles for creation process and create a draft. As long as it doesn't contain copyright infringements or personal attacks, a draft can stay there as long as you keep working on it, and when you think it might be ready to be accepted as an article, you can submit it for review. See your first article. --ColinFine (talk) 22:22, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

I have now discovered that there is a very nice article on XC, as seen on XC (programming language) at "campusafrica" (whatever that is). It says it is a copy of an originally published Wikipedia version, still seen at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XC_(programming_language)?oldid=901782500. I did not find any trace of any deletion process. Could anybody help on finding out what happened to this page? I see that it only has reference to two very XMOS close sources, which may be hard on the notability requirement. (I see that it has not been updated with the combinable or distributable task types feature, indicating that if this were a page as of now, it would need editing.) Could there be any way to relist this page as a "draft"? In my opinion it's really too bad that this language does not have any Wikipedia page. Now there only is this redirect. (So there may have been a rather good reason that I didn't notice the lack of a page before recently). –Øyvind Teig (talk) 17:00, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

@Aclassifier: the page was redirected, you can see the history here. A lot of the information there doesn't belong in Wikipedia, but you could restore parts of what was there to the article. Though, since there were not sufficient independent reliable sources, it's possible it would get redirected. You could copy parts to Special:MyPage/xC to work on, just make sure you mention "copied from old version of 'XC (programming language)'" in your edit summary. Elli (talk | contribs) 01:40, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

@Elli: Thanks! Some investigations into the history of that page and I agree with the comments there. It indeed had “multiple issues” like “more citations needed” and “original research” missing (from March 2020). Also a comment that the article was too much of a programmer’s manual. There also was a conflict of interest (COI): self promotion issue with it. I cannot "invent" any of the missing references, I could do a rewrite - but since Wikipedia seems to have a stringent notability requirement it's probable that even a much shorter and more lexical page might be redirected again. But without links to the web.archive.org etc, it might look "better" at least. I blame myself for not having been on the field when the page was in crisis, but not done is not done. But then I probably might not have been able to save it. "Testing" where Wikipedia's limit goes with respect to notability against the fact that the xC language (in my opinion) has the potential to become rather important with some of its ideas, in the future. As an intellectual piece of work, Wikipedia should in my opinion have xC shown. Would there be any notability vs. "intellectual importantness" tradeoff? I foresee the answer: it's again not notable enough that I think its intellectual properties hold, some other out there in the academia should have seen that as well. But then, it is proprietary, a property that often doesn't trigger academic work. Especially in the latest years, where getting funds seems to be more dependent on ratings of which publications/conferences a publication is (or is not) published. May be this is a problem that should be discussed by Wikipedia, as the line of reasoning has elements of biting itself in the tail. Proprietary not a problem in itself (above), but then maybe this starts the problem? Which end up in Wikipedia and the public loosing intellectial heritage. I personally don't think this is an "aside", it's probably a quite central problem. –Øyvind Teig (talk) 08:18, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

@Aclassifier: it's an interesting problem, but the issue is that "importantness", aside from notability, is really quite subjective. An alternative way to think of Wikipedia's policies about notability and reliable sources are that they are there to prevent editing disputes. If we allowed original research, for example, we'd have people disagreeing on what is true - so instead we just go by what reliable sources say. Indeed, with notability, it's the same - what we should include isn't something easy to determine, so we just go off of what reliable sources say.

Though, I think you're making notability too much of a barrier. A few news articles about investment in the programming language, why some people use it, etc, and you have notability (assuming they're, well, independent, paying for news to write such an article is not allowed, obv).

Basically, if with independent sources, you could write a decent article, it's probably notable. And that's exactly the reason the policy exists in the first place. Elli (talk | contribs) 08:27, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

@Elli: much to think about! As much I'd love to refer to my own blogs about xC (and a fringe presentation for a conference in 2018, plus one to appear in April) I would have to present this problem on the xCore Exchange forum. My stuff is too informal. –Øyvind Teig (talk) 08:39, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

@Aclassifier: feel free, if you can find some media coverage perhaps it would qualify. Elli (talk | contribs) 08:42, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

I have done some searching and indeed found relevant academic papers. Like in the ACM Digital Library and The Internet Archive Scholar. –Øyvind Teig (talk) 18:18, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Admin blocked page

Long before, based on @Hoary: help I submitted Draft:Adda52 to AFC but this is admin blocked, do I need to do something else?? 1друг (talk) 19:03, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Note: The page in question, Adda52, has been salted as a repeatedly created article that fits a criterion for speedy deletion (A7). —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:56, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

@1друг: other editors have decided that the topic is not notable and does not belong in Wikipedia at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Adda52, and that your draft does not show significant changes since that discussion. As I said at User talk:1друг#Article creations, Companies are definitely not the area to start with—this is one of the hardest topics to get an article approved on, in no small part because most editors will treat such articles with extreme skepticism as most authors of such drafts have a conflict of interest and just want free advertising space on our site. — Bilorv (talk) 21:41, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

@Tenryuu:, I just read about A7, also I want to share that @VersaceSpace: rejected this because it was deleted before. Fun fact, everyone deleted this under G4 because it got rejected in 2017 and later blocked. Please check the sources which I added. These are the sources of 2018 to 2021 of top journals of India (So old discussion doesn't apply). Kindly, comment on the sources and explain how it not notable. For A7, Please confirm from any poker fan about Adda52, everyone knows about it. @Bilorv:, thanks for guiding so long, I really appreciate your detailed reasoning. 1друг (talk) 08:11, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi 1друг. Instead of discussing this here at the Teahouse, maybe you should try discussing it with the administrator who last deleted the article at the AfD per WP:CLOSECHALLENGE. --Marchjuly (talk) 08:21, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Marchjuly, Thanks for the suggestion. I asked but he said even if he wants to he can't as he is no loner admin, now I don't know what to do. 1друг (talk) 08:31, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

1друг, The reason for being unable to re-create the article, "Repeatedly recreated A7 article" is incorrect. Adda52 was never speedy deleted via WP:A7 - "no indication of importance". Rather, it was deleted via a full deletion discussion, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Adda52 which I closed as "delete"; however looking at the debate, it seems to have been something of a marginal case. I would advise you to carry on working on the draft, then if a reviewer accepts it for review (it is currently rejected), the protection can be lifted at that point. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 09:13, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Ritchie333, thanks for letting me know about it. Please explain 1. carry on working on the draft: Is that mean, I need to add more content or sources? As per my basic understanding, I thought I am done because the sources are pretty good. 2. It's rejected in AFC because it was deleted in past, not because of my draft. 1друг (talk) 09:44, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

@1друг: Richie333 is the administrator who deleted the article at when it was discussed at AfD. The foremr-administrator you asked about this did delete the article and then WP:SALTED the title, but he was just deleting a re-created version of the article. Anyway, I suggest you follow Richie333's advice and continue on improving the draft and then submit once again to WP:AFC for review when you think it's ready. You can also try asking for other feedback about the draft at WP:AFCHELP. -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:57, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

@Ritchie333: Can you tell if this latest draft is an improvement over the one you deleted and the one that eventually ended up being salted? It's possible that the AfC reviewer (VersaceSpace) is seeing the log, but is unable to see the version that kept being deleted because they're not an administrator. VersaceSpace's account is still relatively new (they started editing in December 2020); so, they might not know the full back story behind this draft. Rejecting the submission outright might've been done more because of the tainted history of the draft, then the quality of the current version. -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:58, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Marchjuly, The draft is quite different. Specifically, the deleted version only goes up to 2017 and hence doesn't discuss the Public Gambling Act ban, which is a major contribution towards notability. As a rule of thumb, I like drafts to have about 1,500 bytes of prose (Draft:Adda52 currently has 930) before submitting. You can install the Wikipedia:Prosesize gadget to determine article size. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 13:24, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Thank you Ritchie333. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:44, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

@1друг: As you can see from Ritchie333's reply above, the draft is apparently quite different from the one which was deleted via AfD; so, perhaps if you're able to find more sources for it and develop it a little more (particularly more on it's background), then perhaps it will have a better chance of passing through AFC the next time you submit it for review. You might even want to clarify this on the draft's talk page so as to let others know this is a much different version from the one that was previously deleted. (Maybe even provide a link to this discussion.) Of course, none of this will guarantee for certain that the draft will be ultimately accepted, but it might help the next AFC reviewer understand that you're submitting it in good faith based upon recent coverage found in reliable sources. Just a stylistic note, you probably should avoid using slashes in section headings and in article prose per MOS:SLASH. This might perhaps be more personal preference than not, but some readers might find slashes confusing. Good luck on your draft. -- 00:44, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks to all, based on the discussion, I am concluding that I need to update more sources, increase the number of words, remove slashes from the heading, and update the talk page. I might do this on weekend. Is there any other way also to create it, without submitting it to AFC??? 1друг (talk) 16:36, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Is there a way to turn off edit notices?

I am seeing a huge and annoying pop-up from Template:Editnotices when I edit a Featured Article. Does anyone know how to get rid of these things? Best, Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 17:38, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi Clayoquot. The little v at the bottom right leads to Template:TFA editnotice which shows how to hide it. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:53, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, but the edit notice that I'm getting is from Template:Editnotices/Page/Menstrual cycle so I don't think suppressing the TFA editnotice will work. Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 22:49, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

tbh, that editnotice should probably be moved to a template with a standardized class, so it can be hidden. Elli (talk | contribs) 01:35, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Draft copy

So this all started way back on December 18, when I created a draft called Draft:Technical Sports Racing. It got rejected, and so I improved the article and re-submitted it on December 20. I didn’t care about it much until earlier this month when I got a talk message saying that my article was rejected, mainly because someone had created a copy called Draft:Technical Sports Racing2 and I had received a warning about gaming the system. My main priority is not getting the article published, but about the warning. What should I do? Vamsi20 (talk) 21:06, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

@Vamsi20, could you provide a link to the warning? in any case, if an experienced editor has warned you previously about WP:GAME then chances are you actually were afoul of that, as to what to do about the warning, don’t engage in activity that may constitute WP:GAME and you should be okay. Celestina007 (talk) 21:22, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

It's in my talk. I believe it's the penultimate message, and no, I didn't engage in activity that constituted WP:GAME or get any warning about gaming the system before. Vamsi20 (talk)

(you edited this comment out,for some odd reason)
Vamsi20, it's possible that the warning arose from confusion on the part of other editors regarding Draft:Technical Sports Racing2, which started as an article in mainspace and was draftified as not ready. Sometimes, authors of declined drafts will use a sockpuppet or meatpuppet to resubmit their draft as an article, bypassing AFC. That is gaming the system, and attracts negative attention.--Quisqualis (talk) 21:29, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

@Vamsi20, Linking generally saves us time, but I see you make reference to this message by Robert McClenon. I completely agree with them that what you did do definitely is attempting to game the system, please do not attempt such again moving forward. Celestina007 (talk) 21:51, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

I disagree, @Celestina007. After looking at the articles' histories and users' contribs, this looks nothing like gaming to me. Pelagic ( messages ) – (21:25 Tue 30, AEDT) 10:25, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Oh, right, someone else created a copy of the draft and now everyone thinks that I made the copy even though I did not. Vamsi20 (talk) 22:32, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi, @Vamsi20. At the newer draft (26 Mar), @Shadowrvn728 said in the edit summary that they translated it from w:it. Did your Teahouse question (21 Dec) about translating from Italian refer to using the same article for your Racing section (19 Dec)? All three seem similar at a cursory glance. Pelagic ( messages ) – (21:21 Tue 30, AEDT) 10:21, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Why aren’t there any pushpin maps for Brazilian states?

When I go to template maps I preemptively put in ‘Mato Grosso’ or ‘Brazil Mato Grosso’ even though I know it doesn’t work, only Brazil as a country works, which is confusing because Brazil is a very big country, with probably the most Portuguese speaking users on Wikipedia, so why haven’t they been made yet? Is it because villages in Brazil are not considered notable and what is borderline notable is the separate municipality maps for Brazilian states? They should add them. And I had a look around the templates, there are literally none, surprising. LongWinterBranches158 (talk) 23:54, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

@LongWinterBranches158: I'd assume they simply haven't been created yet? Wikipedia feels somewhat thorough so omissions can be surprising - but often, omissions are just that. Feel free to contribute them! Elli (talk | contribs) 05:59, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

@LongWinterBranches158: There are certainly some pushpin maps for Brazilian states, though some of them have rather nonintuitive names (see, for example, Module:Location map/data/Brazil Minas Gerais state, Module:Location map/data/Brazil Rio de Janeiro State, Module:Location map/data/Brazil Rondônia, Module:Location map/data/Brazil Sao Paulo, Module:Location map/data/Amapá). There is a file of a Mato Grosso location map, but no one's apparently used it to create a template or module to display pushpin maps. You can see how to create one at Template:Location map/Creating a new map definition, or if that's too much for you, ask at Wikipedia:Graphics Lab/Map workshop for someone to create one. Deor (talk) 17:53, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Article about 'Saraf Furniture'

I had submitted an article and it was deleted under Section G4 for speedy deletion on the basis of a discussion which was done in September, 2018. The article submitted in 2018 was not prepared by me. I had submitted the link to a forbes article of the company that was published on 27th January, 2021, without even viewing the facts and only relying on a previous discussion. The article was deleted under Section G4 for speedy deletion. Whom do I write for recovering the article?

Thanks. Adv.devanshmalhotra (talk) 02:48, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

@Adv.devanshmalhotra: Welcome to the Teahouse! If you try to recreate the article, you will see the correct person to contact to recover the article is Fences and windows. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 02:52, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

I'm not going to restore that version, the sourcing was promotional including the Forbes piece - it was marked as an advert. Fences&Windows 23:15, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Help with my article before resubmitting

hello. I've been working on an article for a couple of weeks and I would like some help and advice to improve my article so it won't be rejected for a second time. The first time it was rejected was because it wasn't written in the formal/neutral tone. I then went and read all Wiki's articles about writing in neutral tone and believe I've fixed the issue. However, I really want to know if it's good to resubmit again and if I took all forms of bias out. Will someone please check my work?

Thanks, and have a good day. Draft:Savanna Karmue

Tracksthegeneral (talk) 04:26, 30 March 2021 (UTC)Tracksthegeneral Tracksthegeneral (talk) 04:26, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Didn't you post this about a day ago? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:33, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

@Tenryuu: Hello, I'm aware that I did, but believe that no one saw my last comment so decided to post again. I changed my article and applied the recent advice another user gave me to my article. I wanted someone to please look over it so I am asking for more help :). Thanks for understanding! Tracksthegeneral (talk) 22:07, 30 March 2021 (UTC)Tracksthegeneral

AFD discussions

How to get the Deletion discussion of Rahul Sharma, founder of Micromax? Logical Puzzle (talk) 06:11, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

@Logical Puzzle: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rahul Sharma (businessman), the discussion is closed though. Elli (talk | contribs) 06:15, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Seeking assistance to improve my article

Hi,

I submitted an article Draft:Indira Parikh for review. This submission was declined. The reason given was: "This submission appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia. Encyclopedia articles need to be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources, not just to materials produced by the creator of the subject being discussed. This is important so that the article can meet Wikipedia's verifiability policy and the notability of the subject can be established. If you still feel that this subject is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, please rewrite your submission to comply with these policies." I have tried to rework the content to ensure that it does not come off as something that is not within the framework of Wikipedia. I have also included independent, reliable, published sources. I would like some assistance in knowing what more I can possibly do in this case. I would appreciate your help! Thank you!  Vmanonymous (talk) 06:12, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

The draft says: "Seeing her passion to learn, the Dean at the University of Chicago waived off her husband’s tuition fee so that he could pay for her education." Something about that got my antennae twitching. A reference sent me to an unspecified part of a 66-page PDF: an Indian management magazine that I must say looks to me like a collection of hagiographies. (Can we really take this rather fawning material so seriously?) Anyway, at the bottom left of page 32, of the 66, I read: "He waived her husband's tuition fee, so that he could pay for her education." So, putting aside the question of the value of the source, you've quoted it verbatim (plus "off", minus a comma). Doing so requires the use of quotation marks. What else in this draft is taken verbatim from sources? -- Hoary (talk) 08:50, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

I deleted that sentence as unnecessary detail to describing her education, but Hoary's query still applies. The Current Research Project wording is very close to the source reference. David notMD (talk) 09:00, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Quality revision

What's a "quality revision" in PCR? Firestar464 (talk) 07:36, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Firestar464 I think we need some context please. What do you mean by PCR or do you mean WP:PCR? I don't see the phrase "quality revision" there.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 11:37, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Shantavira Yes, I mean WP:PCR. I can't find it; that's why I asked. Firestar464 (talk) 12:00, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

@Firestar464: Where do you see the terminology "quality revision"? GoingBatty (talk) 20:32, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Nvm. I figured it out. Basically auto-accept vs. approved.  Self-trout Firestar464 (talk) 01:12, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Has my draft been submitted?

Hi, has my draft been submitted for review? Mamiecolfox (talk) 08:13, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

@Mamiecolfox: welcome back to the Teahouse. No, Draft:Aigana_Gali is not submitted for review, and if it were submitted now it would not be accepted. A large part of it is promotionally written, and there are a number of references to a pdf with no information about what it is (it's actually an exhibition catalogue). To find out how to cite sources correctly, you can have a look at Help:Referencing for beginners. It also looks like large parts are copied straight from the sources, with only minor rephrasings, and that unfortunately makes it eligible for speedy deletion since it constitutes a copyright violation. There are other issues as well, but those are the main problems with the draft right now.

Do you have a connection to Aigana Gali? Please have a look at this information. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 08:44, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Copyright on sciencepress.mnhn.fr?

I'm currently working on the Azilestes article, and I'm trying to get it to GA status. However, (and I know this isn't necessary for GA, I'm just a stickler!) I can't find any information on image copyright for the website the paper is on (https://sciencepress.mnhn.fr), so I don't know whether I can include an image or not. Can anyone help in some way? Thanks! Borophagus (talk) 09:18, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Borophagus That website says "© 2015 MUSÉUM NATIONAL D'HISTOIRE NATURELLE: ALL RIGHTS RESERVED", which means all content included images is copyrighted. Wikipedia only uses free images for the most part, so it doesn't look like they could be used, unfortunately. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:13, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Ah, I thought so. Thanks anyway! Borophagus (talk) 10:15, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Question about draft

I've a query regarding https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Shri_Kuldeep_Nikam Persistent Guy (talk) 09:42, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

What's the query? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 12:28, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

How to speed up rereview for an article?

Hi folks, just submitted my first article last week. It was declined because some parts didn't have citations so I fixed that a few days ago and re-submitted. Would really love to put up more articles of renowned poets from the Philippines here, and I'm only at my first. :-/ Is there a way to speed up the second review for this? >> Draft:Joel M. Toledo How long does it usually take? Thanks in advance! Beyondthepale12 (talk) 10:11, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Well, firstly, congrats on your first article! Honestly, it looks good as it is so far, but maybe some additional information about his life would help?Borophagus (talk) 10:14, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi Beyondthepale12. There’s really no way to speed up an AFC review, and the best answer I can give is that just it takes as long as it takes. The template at the bottom of the draft says a review could take four months or more, but it’s possible that a reviewer will get to it earlier. You can, however, work on multiple drafts at the same time if you like and then submit each of them when you think they’re ready.

I have a question about File:Joel Toledo in Singapore, 2014.jpg which you uploaded to Commons. Did you take this photo yourself? I just a little curious because the photo’s description states it was taken back in 2014. Was it just some random photo you took or do you know Toledo personally? — Marchjuly (talk) 10:25, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi again Beyondthepale12. Just some suggestions about your draft.

1. Please look at MOS:NOTUSA.
2. Please look at MOS:LEAD because your draft is lead heavy (i.e. top heavy). It’s kinda like a sandwich that’s made up of two thick slices a bread with very little in the middle.
3. Please look at WP:ELPOINTS, WP:EL#cite_note-7 and WP:CS#Avoid embedded links because you shouldn’t be embedding external links into the body of the article like this.
4. Please look at WP:ELNO because you added lots of external links to the “External links” section which means there’s a good chance that some are superfluous.
5. Please look at WP:ORDER because the “References” section should come before the “External links” section.

These are just some things I noticed that you can work on while you’re draft is awaiting another review. Fixing them won’t speed up the review process and ensure that the draft is ultimately approved, but it will bring the draft more in line with MOS:MOS. If you haven’t done so already, you might also want to take a look at WP:BIO, WP:YFA and WP:ERB for some other information that you may find helpful. — Marchjuly (talk) 10:47, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Help correcting erros in a draft

Hello. I have submitted my draft about Erick Mickeler a french personality and dinosaur specialist. Some references were missing, which I have already added...However, I still need to correct some errors such as "check date values in access date" and "missing or empty title". How can I edit these individually??? It seems so simple, but yet so complicated, I am struggling with this. Thank you. TBoavida (talk) 11:07, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi TBoavida. The errors you're seeing have to do with the formatting of the citation templates being used for the references. You can find out more in Help:CS1 errors or by clicking on the blue "help" links showing up in the "References" section of the draft. Basically, you'll have to find the references in body of the article via the edit window fix the parameter errors in the citation templates. Often it's something quite simple like a misspelling or transposition of numbers, or simply adding the name of the source being cited for the title parameter. You might also want to take a look at WP:ERB for some tips of how to cite sources and format references. -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:21, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

How to Add Informative Blog Links on Wikipedia

Hi,

Can you please guide how to add informative article links on Wikipedia in the reference section. Please suggest @GreenMeansGo. Rashmi1704 (talk) 11:57, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

@Rashmi1704: A helpful introduction to referencing on Wikipedia can be found at Help:Referencing for beginners. However, blogs are not normally considered reliable sources for use on Wikipedia, and are only very rarely appropriate when the author is a widely recognized expert in their field, and no better source is available. Hope this helps. GMG^talk 12:13, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

New to wiki editing

Hello I am trying to upload new information on the artist page that I manage and have received this response Your edit to Jaz Coleman has been removed in whole or in part, as it appears to have added copyrighted material to Wikipedia without evidence of permission from the copyright holder. If you are the copyright holder, please read Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials for more information on uploading your material to Wikipedia. For legal reasons, Wikipedia cannot accept copyrighted material, including text or images from print publications or from other websites, without an appropriate and verifiable license. All such contributions will be deleted. You may use external websites or publications as a source of information, but not as a source of content, such as sentences or images—you must write using your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously, and persistent violators of our copyright policy will be blocked from editing. See Wikipedia:Copying text from other sources for more information.

Is there anyway I can see what is being highlighted as copyright? My artist does own the copyright to the material I'm listing. Here is the page- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaz_Coleman Thank you! CP696 (talk) 12:06, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

@CP696: Welcome to the Teahouse. Unfortunately, Wikipedia has to delete copyright violations if no appropriate licence is provided, as the above text states: Wikipedia cannot accept copyrighted material, including text or images from print publications or from other websites, without an appropriate and verifiable license.

Also, if you're representing Coleman, you're going to need to disclose your paid relationship on your user page; you may use {{paid}} to do so. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 12:32, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Source reliability

So, I added a source for the release date of the Switch release of SnowRunner but I have to ask, how do I know if the source is reliable or not? I just wanna make sure I provided a reliable source so that it won't be removed and I know that I found a good source. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 13:25, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

There are super clear guidelines for your to become familiar if you want to help edit Wikipedia. Start by WP:RS and WP:IS. They are important and easy reads, that you need to be very familiar and comfortable with. Enjoy ! Ferkijel (talk) 14:37, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I looked at your recent change to the article, and it would seem to be a reliable source for gaming news. When searching Nintendo Life on Wikipedia, it redirects to Gamer Network#Partnered websites. I think it passes the litmus test. For future reference when in doubt about a source, ask on the talk page of the article and/or the relevant WikiProject. Other active editors in that realm will be more familiar with the kind of sources that are acceptable for that subject matter. Another alternative is beginning a new discussion at WP:RSN, but I would definitely try the WikiProject first. --GoneIn60 (talk) 14:45, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Ok good to know. I kinda guessed it was a reliable source because 1, Nintendo Life used to be a magazine and 2, it's very well known for being the place to go for Nintendo related news (besides the Switch's "news channel"). Just wanted to double check and make sure it was good for wikipedia. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 17:36, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Uploading images

I'm a longtime editor looking for some assistance adding images to articles. I understand the basic differences between free and non-free, and to a lesser extent, when to upload an image to Wikimedia Commons as opposed to Wikipedia. However, I'd like maybe a quick walkthrough on an image I'm looking at on Flickr (how to assess its license, the uploading process, etc). We can take that to my talk page. I've glanced at the various help pages, but it's still confusing to me. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated! -- GoneIn60 (talk) 14:34, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

OK, I'll start a thread on your Talk Page. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:44, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Use of non-free image (correct use of rationale?)

Recently, the image File:MONTERO (Call Me By Your Name) -SATAN'S EXTENDED VERSION-.jpeg was uploaded to Wikipedia and added to the article Montero (Call Me by Your Name) without a non-free use rationale. My question is, can a user beside the uploader add one? Note that I have preemptively done it to avoid deletion without knowing the guidelines surrounding it. If yes, is the usage of Template:non-free use rationale album cover used correctly here? My main concern is the image's status as an alternate cover, and if this is represented with the "Other information" parameter or something else.

Many thanks, Orcaguy (talk) 14:48, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi Orcaguy. Anyone can add a non-free use rationale to a file's page, but adding a non-free use rationale is WP:JUSTONE (actually just one part of one) of the ten non-free content use criteria that need to be satisfied each time a file is used in an article. Just for reference, one album cover is generally deemed sufficient for primary identification purposes in stand-alone articles about albums, but any additional album cover usually have to be the subject of sourced critical commentary somewhere in the article as explained here. So, even though you added a non-free use rationale for this file, someone might disagree and decide to challenge the validity of the rationale. Don't just assume that providing a non-free use rationale automatically makes the file's non-free use policy compliant because alternative versions of album covers are sometimes tricky to sort out and ones which are simply added to show the cover art have ended up being deleted in some cases. So, you should try and find sourced critical commentary related to the cover art of the extended version (not just about the extended version, but about its cover) if possible and add that to the article to better establish the non-free use of the file. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:41, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Start

How should a new editor start, what contributions should he make? ExclusiveEditor (talk) 15:06, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

@ExclusiveEditor: there's a lot of things you can do. Consider finding pages about things you enjoy and editing them for small mistakes, then when you rack up considerable experience, start reverting vandalism, expanding pages. Make sure you source every claim you make in an article. WP:The Wikipedia Adventure would be helpful if you're looking for a detailed guide. versacespacetalk to me 15:16, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi ExclusiveEditor. The Wikipedia:Task Center is a good resource for finding things to work on while getting one's bearings here. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:06, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Incorrect Merge

I accidentally chose the wrong article to propose That's What He Said Podcast be merged into and I haven't learned how to end a merge discussion yet. Would someone be willing to close the discussion so I can recommend it be merged with the article about the host? Otherwise could you at least provide links to the right place where I can look into how I would go about resolving a merge discussion. TipsyElephant (talk) 16:05, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

I think an admin will close the discussion if they find it irrevlevant or something. As far as I know normal users cannot close discussions. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 18:32, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

@TipsyElephant: Just as an update, I've gone ahead and closed the discussion. As demonstrated, non-admin editors can close discussions if they know when to close and what the consensus (if any) of the discussion is. There's a lot more information that goes into closing at Wikipedia:Closing discussions. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:53, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

How can i link my site to wikipedia

 Westernews (talk) 16:33, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

@Westernews: For what reason are you attempting to link your site to Wikipedia? Wikipedia does not approve of linking to personal sites, which you seem to have done at Joint Admissions and Matriculation Board. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:37, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

If it matters, WP uses Nofollow Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:25, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Help disambiguate

This draft needs to be moved/renamed to disambiguate it from other temples in other parts of China with the same name. Please ask for advice at the Teahouse on how to disambiguate this draft. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:12, 30 March 2021 (UTC) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Huayan_Temple Jianghaiyang (talk) 16:36, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Well first, you just asked on Teahouse so there's no need to ask again. Second, you can put in a move request to move the article to a different name. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 18:31, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Good morning, how do i go about updating information?

 170.94.19.232 (talk) 16:47, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

WP:TUTORIAL and/or WP:ADVENTURE can be a good start. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:20, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

References required. David notMD (talk) 17:48, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Where can I help?

Hi everyone :) I'm new here and still finding my feet... I was wondering whether there's a place where one can be taken (at random maybe?) to articles that need a bit of love (copy-editing for instance). Thanks! FESxam (talk) 17:27, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

@FESxam: Welcome to Wikipedia and thanks for wanting to help! Check out Wikipedia:Task_Center for some ideas on how to help out. There is also WP:TYPO for finding and fixing typos, and also WP:GUILD for copyediting tasks. Finally, you can just hit the "random article" link in the side bar and you may land on an article that needs some work. RudolfRed (talk) 17:35, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

@FESxam: Welcome to the Teahouse (and by extension, Wikipedia). You may want to check out the The Wikipedia Adventure as an interactive tutorial, SuggestBot for requests, and the Guild of Copy Editors as a relevant WikiProject. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:36, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Welcome FESxam! As Tenryuu said above, you'll want to start with The Wikipedia Adventure, however I have noticed that it tends to be rather buggy so if there are any problem, ask here and people will point you to the right place. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 17:40, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

How to respond to comments made by admins of wiki

Hello So new to this platform and have been sent some messages regarding edits to a page I've made by x2 different admins. Can anyone suggest how I can respond to these comments? Thanks in advance! Cheers, Carla CP696 (talk) 17:48, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

CP696 Not admins, just other editors. To the first, your content reverted because it appeared to be copied from a copyright-protected website. Don't do that again. Secon, you also added information that may be true, but did not provide a reference. Don't do that again either. Third, editor asking if you have a personal connection, paid or not in any way compensated, to Jaz. If not, state that on your Talk page. If true, adhere to WP:COI and WP:PAID. David notMD (talk) 17:56, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Delete article?

FYI

 – Header added by Tenryuu.

How do I delete my article and re-do it? FaarizPlayz (talk) 18:24, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

You don't delete your article. You didn't write the article. Your edits were already reverted by other editors. You could ask them for help on fixing your mistakes. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 18:29, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

FaarizPlayz Blaze's answer is incorrect. You did create the article that ended up at Draft:Scripts (writing). Parts were deleted because they had been copied from other sources - a copyright violation. A request was then submitted to delete the draft (I cannot see if by you or another editor), and the draft was deleted. You can attempt to create a new draft, but please avoid copyright infringement, and as you were advised while it was still an active draft, much of the content you wanted overlapped with the existing article Screenplay. David notMD (talk) 20:29, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Question About Wikipedia Ukraine

Hello Everyone, I have submit a page for review, including tags. Having read the standards and guidelines, I think the page below for Max Polyakov qualified but wish to be certain before embarking on another draft page. What do you think? Better to check here than get it wrong, yes? Thank you for this community.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Max_Polyakov Kickzzz (talk) 18:42, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Apologies for my confusion but, your title for this is asking about the Ukrainian language Wikipedia, while your question talks about a page you submitted for review. Also, for help in your language (which I'm guessing is either Ukranian or Russian), go here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Local_Embassy Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 18:55, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Blaze's answer is not useful. You created and submitted a draft - in English - submitted to English Wikipedia - about a person who is Ukrainian-American. Some, but not all, of the references are in Russian or Ukrainian. This is allowed. David notMD (talk) 20:33, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

The section on using non-English sources has more to say on the matter. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:42, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

I have no Idea where to talk about this

 45.27.160.52 (talk) 18:54, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Talk about what? You didn't specify anything. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 18:55, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

You want to talk about this? We have a page at our sister project: Wikt:this.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 19:38, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

That's TWO not helpful replies. Appears you edited Gohan and then reverted your own edit. What you did is now gone from the article. It remains, however, at the View history record of changes to the article, identified as by your IP address. With rare exceptions, all edits are preserved in chronological order. David notMD (talk) 20:42, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Sources in drafts: Part III

I have decided to continue with the doubts under this section, as the last section I made was archived months ago.

First of all, I wanted to ask to use two references to the same book, but which are located on different pages. For example, I have the idea to improve the draft about André by "reusing" a book reference (specifically The Art of Pixar Short Films) in order to fill a claim about his cameo appearence in Red's Dream. However, the citation is located on page 63 (which depicts a screenshot of the aforementioned 1987 short film showing the clock that this character appears seen from afar) and not from page 12 to page 16 as the other citation located on the "Concept and creation" section does.

As seen that visual references are allowed and The Art of Pixar Short Films is a reliable source, the citation which used the mentioned book and is located on page 63 may not only fill claims in the draft's "Appearances" section with references, but also adds source on "The Adventures of André and Wally B." section of the list of Pixar film references.--André the Android^(talk) 19:23, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

You can use {{rp}} to add the page number next to the footnote (actually that wouldn't work well here, given the named ref for the page span), or you can more formally use short citations for this. See WP:CITESHORT and Help:Shortened footnotes – or you can even individuate the uses, a bit redundantly, with the normal cite method, by adding essentially a whole other citation for the second use of the same source, but specifying the other page number being used that time, e.g., the named reference "<ref name="alvy ray smith"... would remain—with its "pp. 12–16"—and you would recycle that reference with a different name (say "<ref name="alvy ray smith-63", and change the page parameter in the cite text to |page=63. Transparency for verifiability purposes is of grave concern, while a small bit of repetition is of minor concern. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 19:57, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

@Fuhghettaboutit: Ok... I will try it.

Besides, I tried to find any sources by googling either "André Pixar character personality", "André Pixar character hat" or simply "André Pixar character" and most of the results have nothing to do with the character who first appeared on The Adventures of André & Wally B., but this does not mean that I will give up. Therefore, I have thought to add a little more information while reusing one of the references (specifically a book published by University of Illinois Press which speaks about John Lasseter), as it states that "This André was more clownish [...] Lasseter's comical character reveals as much about his own emotionally driven and whimsical aesthetic as it does about the working environment forged by Smith and Catmull."

What do you think about adding this information and the page 63 of The Art of Pixar Short Films used as a visual reference for one of the sections of the list of Pixar film references?--André the Android^(talk) 21:01, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Signature with no associated text added by...

 Educational Human (talk) 19:58, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi Educational Human. You successfully edited this page, posting just your signature at the bottom of it, with no question. Do you have a question? If so, click the edit link, just above, and then post below my response on a new line. In order to indicate your post is a response to mine, type two colons before your questions (::), which will save as an indentation increased one level from my response to you (don't place any spaces at the start). You would end that question with your signature again, e.g., by typing four tildes (~~~~), or placing them using the signature button, , located above the edit window. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 20:08, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

P.S.: if this is about your deleted draft Draft:Weird Syndrome, Wikipedia is not a place for frivolous jokes.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 20:13, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia

can someone please help me I've been asking how to add a picture to an article can someone please help me Alisha rains (talk) 21:08, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

@Alisha rains: Welcome to the Teahouse. There's guidance on how to upload images at Uploading images, but before you do, you may want to check out the Image use policy page first. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:37, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

And see Help:Pictures. -- Hoary (talk) 21:46, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

FYI

 – Merging with above. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:36, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

I'm trying to become a host but I seem to have problems while trying to please help Alisha rains (talk) 21:11, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

It's been a while since I was inducted, but if you're referring to becoming a Teahouse host, editors are usually asked to have reached extended confirmed status (i.e., an account that is at least 30 days old with at least 500 edits) before applying. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:39, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

When you're a Teahouse "host", you do on this page what anyone else can do: attempt to answer questions helpfully. So there's really no point in being a "host". Simply attempt to answer questions helpfully. (If you have some other kind of "host" in mind, please specify.) -- Hoary (talk) 21:46, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Finding things

How do i find things to fix and edit quickly, besides going through a lot of pages until i find one? (which isn't very fast) Wiki lover 211 (talk) 21:56, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

It's very easy. Find an article that's more than a stub. Go through the references, one by one. Almost certainly you'll soon find references to non-existent pages, to unreliable sources, to sources that fail to say what they're described as saying, etc. Edit and fix these, slowly, after careful deliberation. After all, you love Wiki! -- Hoary (talk) 22:00, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

PS If a linked-to page doesn't exist, start by searching for it (I mean, feeding its title, etc, to Google, Duckduckgo or your search engine of choice.) The page may still exist but have a different address. If that doesn't work, feed the link to web.archive.org/. Click on what this finds, and check that the version it has archived is actually helpful before linking to it. You may have to view several versions before you find one that's worthwhile. -- Hoary (talk) 22:12, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Wiki lover 211, it's great that you want to help out! There are lots of internal pages that list articles with issues. You could explore the backlog category for example, or articles for improvement. › Mortee _talk 22:48, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

I learned from some replies to other questions above about the Task Center which looks great for this kind of thing › Mortee _talk 23:19, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Any ideas?

Any ideas on what I could write about on Wiki? Maybe not here because people might take the ideas you give me? And if any ideas you give me gets taken, I will cry. And I cry acid. *Not really* FaarizPlayz (talk) 22:05, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

If you don't know what interests you, you can hardly expect that others will know what will. Also, please cut out the childishness. -- Hoary (talk) 22:12, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

@FaarizPlayz: Welcome to Wikipedia and thanks for wanting to add to it. There is quite a list at WP:RA. You can grab any of those and start working on a draft. See WP:YFA for guidance. RudolfRed (talk) 22:13, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

@FaarizPlayz: you would be best advised to stick with improving content on existing articles until you gain more experience. I don't feel you have the right attitude or maturity yet to create new articles of your own. But I'm happy to be proved wrong. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:03, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

@FaarizPlayz, Seconding @Nick Moyes, creating new articles are quite daunting so instead of doing that, you could visit {{Open task}} and work on correcting some spelling errors and bad grammar in the listed articles. Celestina007 (talk) 00:32, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Ok. FaarizPlayz (talk)

Quick question about Articles of Creation

After an article is rejected, will it be deleted if it wasn't SUBMITTED again in 6 months or if it wasn't ACTIVE (users not editing it) in 6 months? Thanks! Tracksthegeneral (talk) 22:18, 30 March 2021 (UTC)Tracksthegeneral Tracksthegeneral (talk) 22:18, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Tracksthegeneral. Draft articles that have not been edited at all for six months are subject to deletion. If the draft has recent edits, it will not be deleted for that reason. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 22:24, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know, Cullen328! Tracksthegeneral (talk) 22:34, 30 March 2021 (UTC)Tracksthegeneral

Can we extend articles?

If an article is too short, could we extend it with more information? Nightcoal50 (talk) 22:28, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Nightcoal50 Yes, if you can cite WP:RS that verifies what you add. If it's an article about a living person, make sure that you are familiar with WP:BLP. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 22:41, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

@Nightcoal50: I'll just comment that extending/improving existing articles is what most of the editors do here. For a newcomer, trying to start a new article from scratch can be daunting and prone to problems. whatever you add to any article in this encyclopaedia, none of it should be from your own personal experience. It all needs to be verifiable, if challenged, by someone on the other side of the world going to other properly published sources (online books, published books, journals, mainstream newspapers etc), but not blogs, social media, fan wiki sites etc. If you fancy a fun, self-guided tour to help you learn the basics of editing (and collecting 15 different badges as you progress) do try out The Wikipedia Adventure. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:59, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Quick question

Can a sandbox talk place also be a sandbox place? amonguslover (contact me here) 00:08, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Amonguslover. A sandbox talk page is for discussing the content that you are trying to develop in the associated sandbox page. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 00:12, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

@Amonguslover: If you ask because you would like multiple sandboxes then just create them at other names, e.g. Special:MyPage/sandbox2, Special:MyPage/sandbox3, ... PrimeHunter (talk) 00:44, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

2 questions

How do I expand a stub article and why had Suggestbot not give me my list of suggestions yet. I asked for them on March 10, and it's almost April, and I had still not got my editing suggestions. JennilyW (talk) 01:09, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

@JennilyW: the smartest way to do this would be to identify all of your available resources and gather them together. Read all the resources, identify whether or not they are reliable, and extract information from the sources into the article. By doing this, you're making the article longer, and therefore, it will not be a stub.

Here's an example: Let's say there's an article for a rapper named "Teahouse". The article has three attached sources, one about him, one about his new song, and one about his upcoming album. The article, as it is, only documents the existence of the rapper and his most popular song. To make this article not a stub, you would look at your sources and expand the article based on those sources.

As for your other question, perhaps you inputted the template incorrectly? I'm not sure. Maybe try again. versacespacetalk to me 02:25, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi JennilyW. I have also found that SuggestBot appears to be stalled and have commented about it on User talk:Nettrom (the editor responsible for the bot). He has not yet replied. Currently, the bot request is the only thing on my own Talk Page, so anyone can see the presence of its template (via the source editor). SuggestBot worked correctly for me on March 5th. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:05, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

How do I see the edit history of a USER

I want to know how I can view a user's edit history, not just like history of a page or whatever. I want to be able to see the history of all the edits they make on the multiple different articles. I'm pretty sure this is possible in some form. Thank you :) !!! Leela Roha (talk) 01:36, 31 March 2021 (UTC) Ooh ditto that sounds juicy to see anothers edits

@Leela Roha: for your second question, go to Special:Contribs and type in the desired username. To see your own contributions there should be a button at the top of the page named "contributions". versacespacetalk to me 01:39, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Leela Roha is a sock puppet of PeaceLoverStephenTrue1111 and should be blocked indefinitely.—J. M. (talk) 01:58, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Would you please confirm by identifying the sock puppet investigation? I see that PeaceLover is blocked but not mention of a SP. David notMD (talk) 02:07, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

There is no investigation yet as this is a new account created just minutes ago. But this is a very clear WP:DUCK. I can open an SPI page, that's no problem (the problem is that SPI cases nowadays often take weeks or even months before anyone replies). I also don't think it is wise to give the user advice on how to follow people's edits because that's basically what they've been doing (i.e. trolling selected editors) and one of the reasons why they're blocked from editing.—J. M. (talk) 02:10, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

OK, so I started a formal SPI. I just hope it won't take several weeks again, as it usually does in the last 12 months or so (many administrative areas on Wikipedia have been seriously understaffed in recent months, and SPI is often close to being abandoned).—J. M. (talk) 03:28, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Is this image good for Wikipedia File:Tlnovelas_logo_2021.png

Is this image good for Wikipedia File:Tlnovelas_logo_2021.png SparklesonApple (talk) 02:02, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

If it really is the logo of Tlnovelas, and if the Wikipedia of some language or other has an article about this, then I suppose so, yes. But here's an oddity. You wrote "Uploaded a work by Televisa Networks from https://www.televisa.com/tlnovelas with UploadWizard" (or anyway provided information from which that statement was generated), yet when I view https://www.televisa.com/tlnovelas, all I see is text. I don't see this or any logo. Is there something wrong with my browser? -- Hoary (talk) 02:43, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

I notice that there's a broken image on that page. Maybe it's that? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:15, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

United States or U.S.

I’m confused about how to write infobox birth and death locations in the United States. I understand the city and state are to be linked to their articles, but on most articles about people that born/died in the country, it’s just “U.S.” with no link to the article. It seems pretty standard for other countries, past or present, to link to their article, is there something specific about the US with this? Why not write out “United States” with a link? SoulMaster38 04:21, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Hello, SoulMaster38. If you have a reliable source that verifies that the person died in Saugatuck, Michigan for example, then that is more encyclopedic information than either the United States or U.S., which is a vast country that almost all English language readers know a little bit about. Any reader curious for more information can click the link to find out more about the specific location. Sending the reader to the United States article would rarely be perceived as helpful. That's my view of the matter. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:36, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

@Cullen328 I’m asking about using “U.S.” without a link in conjunction with the state and city. For example, in John F. Kennedy it describes his birthplace as “Brookline, Massachusetts, U.S.“ “U.S.” does not link to United States, and this seems to be the universally used format for all birth or death locations in the USA. Would it not be more universal in conjunction with almost every other nation, if such a place were described as “ Brookline, Massachusetts, U.S.”? SoulMaster38 04:51, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

There is some guidance at MOS:US on "United States of America" abbreviations. Linking is similarly discussed at MOS:OVERLINK. It says major countries aren't usually wikilinked, the reasoning is the same that Cullen explains above. It is thought that readers are served by less links not more, and that these should be links to topics directly connected to understanding of the current subject, excluding those things that most people are likely to already know something about and/or can just know to specifically search for them on their own. I could wake up one day and think about reading the country article on USA and search for it, but I am unlikely to look for Brookline except when it comes up during something else, like as the birthplace of JFK. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 05:19, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Hello everyone, I am a newbie here!

Hello, This is Rego Paul. I am a new user here. I have been perusing Wikipedia for years and finally decided to join. I am very much excited and to take part in different topics. Would love to chat with others on here about building an encyclopedia, I am still learning new things. I am now in the IT bachelor's program at Mumbai University. Hope to get to know some of you. Have a wonderful day!! ReGo Paul (talk) 05:25, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Help with my article infobox

Hi, could someone please help me fix the syntaxes in the infobox on this article? Thanks! Draft:Savanna Karmue

Tracksthegeneral (talk) 06:11, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi Tracksthegeneral, I don't see any problems with the infobox. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 06:34, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Dodger67, someone already went ahead and fixed it after I asked. Thanks though! Tracksthegeneral (talk) 07:35, 31 March 2021 (UTC)Tracksthegeneral

@Tracksthegeneral: I suggest cropping the photograph so we can see her face, or using a different photograph - see Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Images. GoingBatty (talk) 17:04, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: Thanks for input, how do I crop the image? Tracksthegeneral (talk) 17:14, 31 March 2021 (UTC)Tracksthegeneral

@Tracksthegeneral: You could crop the image on your computer or phone and then upload the cropped version. GoingBatty (talk) 17:47, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: Will do, thanks! Tracksthegeneral (talk) 18:58, 31 March 2021 (UTC)Tracksthegeneral

There's also Croptool, for images that are on Commons. (Toolforge is owned by the WMF) DS (talk) 23:21, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Hide page title

Hi. I am making a main page alternative and want to hide the page title and the bit which says 'from wikipedia the free encyclopedia', like the actual main page. Thank you Ihfshkahduahkjevrwgaljekdvhrwlhefjkd (talk) 07:14, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Ihfshkahduahkjevrwgaljekdvhrwlhefjkd, I don't think that's possible, the main page is basically fixed. I'm sure other editors know more than me. Nice username by the way. GeraldWL 07:17, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Edit: Actually, that is a smart idea for a main page. You can request refurbishment at Talk:Main Page. GeraldWL 07:18, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Gerald. Must be a special software thing just for the main page Ihfshkahduahkjevrwgaljekdvhrwlhefjkd (talk) 08:34, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

@Ihfshkahduahkjevrwgaljekdvhrwlhefjkd: you could probably do this with user CSS, though that would only apply for you, of course. Elli (talk | contribs) 08:43, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Are Netflix, Hotstar Considered as reliable source?

Are Netflix, Hotstar Considered a reliable source? One Page Creator undid my edits for Priyanka_Choudhary. I removed this link https://www.hotstar.com/in/tv/savdhaan-india-fir/15034/weddings-and-blackmails/1000255432 Sonofstar (talk) 07:19, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Sonofstar. Netflix and Hotstar may be somewhat reliable sources but they certainly are not independent sources because both companies are in the business of selling video content online. Acceptable Wikipedia articles should mostly summarize what reliable, independent sources say, and sources that are not independent do not establish notability, and their use should be kept to a minimum. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:30, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Sonofstar, in that very case, Hotstar is reliable to show the main cast of the series, as WP:PRIMARY. GeraldWL 07:39, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

So as it is reliable but not independent, can we add this or such links in the page?? Just asking to avoid mistakes in future. Seems like here we can but it depends also sometimes. Am I right? Sonofstar (talk) 08:55, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Sonofstar. Yes, you can cite non-independent sources as references, but only when the information they are being used to support is such as can be cited to primary sources. --ColinFine (talk) 12:47, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Edit Tab

No edit tab, only edit source tab

Hi! I'm new to Wikipedia and have just finished the editing training. I'm just wondering why I don't have the 'edit' tab, but I do have the 'edit source' tab? Thank you :) Child of Prophecy (talk) 08:12, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

@Child of Prophecy: you need to enable Wikipedia:VisualEditor. Elli (talk | contribs) 08:28, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

(though my personal opinion is that you're better off just learning Wikitext) Elli (talk | contribs) 08:28, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

InterWiki link working and not working

I introduced the same InterWiki link, Piscicelli , in two different Wiki pages:
https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ducato_di_Napoli, where it works, and
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giacomo_Piscicelli , where it does not work ("Page does not exist").

Please suggest what I should do. --Floridasso (talk) 08:56, 31 March 2021 (UTC) Floridasso (talk) 08:56, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

You didn't use what's normally called an interwiki link. Instead you used a regular Wikipedia link, pointing to something within the same Wikipedia. Used within it:Wikipedia, your link "[[Piscicelli (famiglia)|Piscicelli]]" leads to the it:Wikipedia it:Piscicelli (famiglia), which exists; used within en:Wikipedia, the same little piece of code leads to the [en:Wikipedia] Piscicelli (famiglia), which (unsurprisingly) doesn't exist. -- Hoary (talk) 09:23, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Tahnk you Hoary,

I did as suggested in the Interwiki page.

--Floridasso (talk) 09:50, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi Floridasso. The way you formatted the interlanguage link is not really the recommended way of doing so any longer per WP:ILL#Inline links (links in the text of the article); so, I've reformatted the link for you. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:39, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Aromanians; Aromanian language

I am a new editor and would like to make some changes to the respective pages. Legione-Romana (talk) 09:28, 31 March 2021 (UTC))

Legione-Romana, you are welcome to improve either or both of the articles Aromanians and Aromanian language. Be sure to cite reliable sources, of course. -- Hoary (talk) 11:07, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Johnny Mcghee

Hi - I have received some great help here before for the draft about Johnny Mcghee Trumpeter. I have now edited it down and addedwith citations and evidence. However; I have had the photograph I uploaded queried again by Timtrent but did not know how else to respond to them directly.I hope this works! I have the photograph from a private album and went away and checked with a lawyer about the copyright and there is no issue due to it's age and permissions and so there are no copyright issues.I photographed the original with an iPhone - is there anyway I can upload the image more directly as I understand why that may have caused a problem.Many thanks 15700cathy 15700cathy (talk) 11:51, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi 15700cathy. The file you uploaded to Commons is being discussed at c:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Johnny McGhee Trumpeter.jpg. You can post a comment in that discussion if you like. If you'd like to leave a message for Timtrent, you can do so at c:User talk:Timtrent. As for the copyright on the photo, you might want to take a very careful look at c:Commons:Hirtle and c:Commons:United States because this photo doesn't look old enough to be within the public domain simply because of its age; moreover, "copyright expired album" doesn't really mean anything and doesn't help clarify the provenance of the image. Furhtermore, you can't really claim the file is your "own work" if you didn't take the original photo. Photographing the original with your iPhone doesn't make you the copyright holder as explained here. Try to think of it like this: you borrow a book from your local library and then you use your iPhone to take photos of each page of the book. Doing such a thing wouldn't make you the copyright holder of the book. Another example would be using your DVR to record a movie that you want to be able to watch at some other time. Doing such a thing wouldn't make you the copyright holder of the movie. The only ways the copyright of the original photo would likely be transferred to you is if there was a copyright transfer agreement between you and the person who took the photo, or if the person who took the photo left you the rights to the photo (i.e. you inherited it from them) when they died. -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:02, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Used to have old account

Thanks for inviting me to the Tea House. I used to have an old account that I have created sometime 2011 that I cannot seem to remember. I went to the page or pages I created and It already appears that somebody created the same page on a later date. Is there a way I can recover the account? Palakasan (talk) 13:05, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi Palakasan. I'm not sure what you mean by I went to the page or pages I created and It already appears that somebody created the same page on a later date. I don't think it's possible another person to take over your account unless you give them your password or the account is otherwise WP:COMPROMISED. Can you provide a link to the other page or at least the name of the other page? If you simply don't remember the password for the other account, then perhaps WP:LOSTPASSWORD will explain what you need to do. -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:18, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

A username can occasionally be usurped with help from a global renamer if there were no substantial edits in the old account, but I'm not also sure what the question being asked here is. Do you mean that you created an article (something in the mainspace, for example the page Coffee) and you now see in the page history that somebody else created it? That could be the result of a page being deleted (for instance, as the result of a deletion discussion) and later recreated. If you name the page(s) in question then we can likely tell you something more specific. — Bilorv (talk) 15:24, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Why is there anything to do with the worst films to be considered?

Oi! Oi! I need an edit of this! AdwenKnowItAll (talk) 13:08, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

• @AdwenKnowItAll: You may likely have to provide a bit more context for anyone to be able to help. GMG^talk 13:09, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

@AdwenKnowItAll: Your edit was reverted because you "introduced multiple grammatical errors" per the edit summary left by the editor who reverted you.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 14:58, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Help with Determining Next Steps on Editing

Do I need permission from editors who have been commenting on my potential edits to try again? My previous edits did not go through for, in particular, a link issue. Dontanner (talk) 13:21, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi Dontanner. Wikipedia wants us to be WP:BOLD, but sometimes when we're bold another editor disagrees with us and WP:REVERTs (either total or partially) the edit we made. When that happens, the best thing to do is to try and figure out why our edit was reverted by WP:DISCUSSing things on the article talk page per WP:BRD. Of course, things can be much more complicated than that, and the reason for reverting our edit might not be a good reason at all. Even in such cases though, it's better to try and resolve things through discussion unless the revert reinstates a serious violation of some Wikipedia policy or guideline like a copyright violation or a WP:BLP violation. If all you do is simply revert the reverter and restore you original edit without a really really good Wikipedia policy-based reason for doing so, there's a good chance that you'll risk an edit war which nobody wins. What you're going to need to do is try and establish a WP:CONSENSUS for the changes you want to make on the article's talk page. This seems to be pretty much the same advice given to you above in #Editing with new published attribution, but there's no much more to do then be patient and give other a chance to respond. It's quite possible they haven't noticed your message yet. Maybe try leaving a Template:Please see on their user talk pages so that they know that you'd like to discuss things with them on the article's talk page. -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:41, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the response!— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:73b9:100:549c:24da:5ceb:c45d (talk) 22:44, 31 March 2021 (UTC)‎

Abusive behaviour!

Hi, I did my first edit today on Wikipedia and I have already had an unpleasant experience with the user Super Dromaeosaurus. I think that they are not here with the purpose of improving any page's content but to promote their biased viewpoint on the subject and reverse anything that does not suit them. They have just reverted all of my edits. What should I do? RegardsLegione-Romana (talk) 13:38, 31 March 2021 (UTC) Legione-Romana (talk) 13:38, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi Legione-Romana. What you should do it try and remain cool and assume good faith. If you make an edit to an article that is subsequently reverted by someone else, don't immediately assume the worst. You should instead try and understand why the edit you made was reverted by looking for an edit summary explaining why or by discussing things on the article's talk page per WP:BRD. Wikipedia has lots of policies and guidelines so perhaps there's a pretty good reason why this other editor reverted you. So, follow Wikipedia:Dispute resolution and try and focus on the content of the edit being discussed and not what you think the motives of the other editor might be. -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:56, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) : Welcome to the Teahouse, Legione-Romana. The editor Super Dromaeosaurus who reverted your edits stated in their edit summary "I'm sorry, but lots of this is unsourced and WP:OR". This doesn't mean that your additions were incorrect, merely that they could not be verified. A core principle of everything we write in articles is that readers can see where we got the information from — and one of the issues with Aromanian language is that it is inadequately sourced. It can be a shock for new editors to discover that Wikipedia cares less about what is true than it does about what is verifiable, preferably in a WP:SECONDARY reliable source. Things that may be true but don't have such sources are often the result of what we call WP:OR, that is "original research", which is not allowed. The simplest way forward is to ensure that what you add to articles has in-line citations backing up the material. Please don't be put off: you can use the Talk Page of any article to discuss with other editors how to improve articles and discuss your sources, in line with another policy summarised at WP:BRD. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:03, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Hello, I notify that the reason why I reverted most of the changes this user did is because some seemed unneccessary (such as rewriting of paragraphs) or because they consisted of unsourced information (link of the edit). I couldn't revert that one individually so I had to use Twinkle (a tool for reverting multiple edits) to revert all of them and restore then the positive changes the user did [1]. I left a message in the user's talk page. Super Ψ Dro 14:05, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Aromanian language

 Courtesy link: Aromanian language

FYI

 – Merging section with above and transferring header link to a courtesy link. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:35, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

I repeat that the user 'Super Dromaeosaurus' is not here with the purpose of improving any content but to enforce their biased opinion. I doubt their integrity. Specifically, first of all, they are lying. They reverted all of my edits not just part of them as they pretend above. They have restored exactly the previous version. Secondly, they have justified the revert by citing a lack of sources for my edits. In that case, I ask them, do they have any source for the information that they are enforcing? RegardsLegione-Romana (talk) 14:17, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

I did revert all your edits because I couldn't revert individually the one that concerned me (this is what shows up if you try to revert it [2]). However, I then restored the positive edits. You can see what did I exactly revert and restore here. And no, the version to which I have restored it is not cited either, but I have also said that there were slight neutrality problems in parts of what you rewrote, so the previous version is preferred. I have detailed more about the reason for my reverts in those parts in your talk page and I offer you again help if you want to re-add information if you feel that the current one should be changed. Super Ψ Dro 14:33, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

New editors (you) should not accuse other editors of abusive behaviour or lying because of a disagreement about content. Wikipedia has guidelines that are not obvious to new editors. One is that content requires references. There are many articles, especially older ones, that were never adequately referenced. Regardless, nowadays, changes, even to previously poorly referenced content, requires references. Talk pages of articles are the right place to work on achieving consensus. David notMD (talk) 22:27, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Legione-Romana, the first time you brought up the matter of editing these articles (in an earlier Teahouse thread), I said that you were welcome to do so, but added "Be sure to cite reliable sources, of course." That's what you must do. And David notMD's right: do not impute motives to other editors or attempt psychiatric evaluations of them unless you can provide clear evidence for what you're saying (and examples of behaviour that's merely compatible with base motives or psychopathology are not sufficient). This isn't just for new editors; it applies to old ones too: several times a week, I deal with work by editors whose contribution histories are easy to explain if they're writing for hire, very hard to explain otherwise, but I very rarely accuse anyone of editing for money. -- Hoary (talk) 02:47, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Question on Notability

Hi, I would like to know if this article meets the guidelines for Wikipedia. It is on a book called The Heartfulness Way, so the real question is, if this book is notable enough to have an independent article?

Based upon my limited knowledge, and reading the WP:BK guildelines, I think it meets the notability criteria on following accounts - 1) it has been a subject of several newspaper articles and independent reviews, 2) it has been part of bestseller list 3) it was unveiled by The President of India who talked about it.

Good amount of info is available on it in the public domain, if some of you can make your independent assessment and share your opinion here, it will help me learn how to decide whether a topic is notable or not. Ensconce (talk) 14:22, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

NOTE: The link provided above goes to article about the book has since been deleted and turned into a redirect to Kamlesh D. Patel, who is one of the authors. The proper place for a discussion is on the Patel Talk page. David notMD (talk) 14:39, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

(See Talk:Kamlesh D. Patel#Possible notability of The Heartfulness Way.) — Bilorv (talk) 15:33, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Arlington National interment

What is the longest time period from date of death to being interred at Arlington National Cemetery? Any information on the deceased available? Deacon3111 (talk) 15:15, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

@Deacon3111: the Teahouse is for questions about Wikipedia, not questions about topics we cover in articles. You can ask some questions at the reference desk, but all "behind the scenes" pages are primarily designed to be used with improving Wikipedia articles in mind. You could try reading any references cited in the Wikipedia article you are talking about, to see if you could find an answer there, or there are lots of question and answer websites on the internet where you might be able to ask your question. — Bilorv (talk) 15:27, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Advice

I made a draft for an article about the henry stickmin series. What should I add AM3M3B0I (talk) 17:26, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Hello, AM3M3B0I. Your draft is unreferenced, and unreferenced drafts are never going to be accepted. Please read Your first article for what is required. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:44, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

How to place a picture correctly (simple question)

I added photos to wiki pages like Freddy Carter but I can't seem to get the placement right nor do I understand how to get rid of the borders. I wanted to add a small subline stating where it was from, but it seemed to show with the subline and messing up the photo. How do I correct the pic?? Teria0000 (talk) 17:40, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Teria0000. The copyright status of the photo of Freddy Carter that you uploaded is dubious. It was first published in a copyrighted magazine and you credited it to Joseph Sinclair. Are you Sinclair and if not, why are you uploading a copyright protected photo as if it was your own work? Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 17:54, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

I fixed the box issue for you but the bigger issue is the copyright problem. There is now a deletion discussion on Wikimedia Commons regarding that photo. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:03, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Popularity of Wiki Pages

Is there a way to know how popular a wiki page is or how much traffic it gets? AbuRas1 (talk) 18:24, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

@AbuRas1: If you click "page information" in the side bar it will show you number of views in last 30 days. RudolfRed (talk) 18:30, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Hello, AbuRas1. Yes, in desktop mode, every article has a "Page information" tab with lots of statistics. There is a link to an interactive page views tool. Here is an example for Abraham Lincoln. You can see that his article has been viewed almost 400,000 times in the last three weeks. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:34, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

@AbuRas1: The bottom of "Page information" and the top of the "View history" tab both have a page views link to the same site. User:PrimeHunter/Pageviews.js can save you a click by placing the link on the page itself. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:05, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

View history and then selecting Page views has recent days as the default, but clicking on the contents of the dates box allows you to select, month, this year, last year, or customize dates. David notMD (talk) 20:17, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! PrimeHunter and RudolfRed — Preceding unsigned comment added by AbuRas1 (talk • contribs) 20:32, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Entry for Leviticus Nightclub

I just submitted an article but it was rejected because it did not have legitimate sources. My sources were Ebony magazine and the NY Amsterdam News. Aren't these outlets legitimate? Newton Figures (talk) 19:06, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Newton Figures. Currently, your draft User:Newton Figures/sandbox has no references and will not be accepted. Please read Referencing for beginners and Your first article. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 19:43, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

In my previous question, I meant to mention Black Enterprise as one of my sources instead of Ebony magazine. Newton Figures (talk) 19:08, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Still, no evidence that you have tried to create references. How are you mentioning 'sources'? Wikipedia requires not just that you found sources to confirm content, but that the sources also be incorporated into the article as references. See Help:Referencing for beginners. David notMD (talk) 20:21, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Regardless of whether you have sources, you haven't included them in the draft. It's like the difference between having clothes and wearing clothes. DS (talk) 23:02, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

How to go about adding a description of the gameplay to a game article

So I want to add information on the gameplay of the game SnowRunner to the article (as currently it doesn't really have any besides just a basic overview of what it is) as I think I would be able to do this well since i own the game (hopefully I won't have a conflict of interest). How exactly would I go about doing this? I know that it would have to include references (Myself not being a reference cause that would be rather stupid). Would it be better to go about making a draft of what i want to add first? Apologies for so many questions. I'm just trying to improve the article. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 19:10, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Blaze The Wolf. Please read WP:GAMEGUIDE, which explains why this idea is not appropriate. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 20:06, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Cullen328, reading WP:GAMEGUIDE and the relevant article, I think there's a little more gray area than that. The article is currently stub-class (the lowest quality assessment), so it needs lots of expansion. Blaze The Wolf, you can look to featured video game articles for an idea of what's appropriate to add. The key point from WP:GAMEGUIDE, though, is that you don't want to go into excess detail or turn the article into an instruction manual. But adding a basic high-level overview of the gameplay mechanics, especially anything notable about them that has been covered in external sources, would likely be a plus. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 20:29, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

@Blaze The Wolf: However, Blaze, if you are interested in writing an in-depth game guide, our sister project Wikibooks has recently voted to allow video game strategy guides for "significant games", which under their guidelines would include SnowRunner. Also, SnowRunner can absolutely include a 'Gameplay' section, as pretty much any good video game article does. As you and Sdkb noted, however, it wouldn't be a guide, and the information would need to be cited to a reliable source.TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 20:33, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Rod Brown Denver Broncos

A picture of a white man is on this article and he is not the Rod Brown American football player from Gainesville Texas. Can this be deleted. If you want a picture of the real Rod Brown for this article. I can send you one. 142.147.51.21 (talk) 21:58, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

There is no photo at Rod_Brown_(gridiron_football). If you saw the photo in Google, then that is an issue with Google's Knowledge Graph and out of Wikipedia's control, but you can report the problem to Google. RudolfRed (talk) 22:01, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Edited article

I recently edited the article Pinus pseudostrobus, and am wondering whether it is good currently. One problem I am having is that the refs are showing up as (3)(2), rather than (2)(3). Is this an issue, or is it ok? If the article is not good currently, could someone tell me how I could improve it? Abies balsamica (talk) 23:59, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

@Abies balsamica: Welcome to the Teahouse! I reordered the references for you, but the order doesn't really matter. Could you please add some captions for the gallery photos? Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 00:11, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the question, Abies balsamica! To add to the above, references being numbered out of order is not a problem, but if you wish to keep them in ascending order (some editors do) then you can just swap the order. The first reference to occur on the page is numbered 1, the second 2 etc. but if a reference is repeated then the same number is used. Anyway, the actual issue with the reference formatting (but it's only a tiny one!) is that we don't use punctuation before references, which GoingBatty also fixed. As for the article, maybe others can tell you more because I'm not a subject expert, but the addition of the references is definitely good, and the other changes look like an improvement to me. Hopefully Casliber will not mind a ping, as I think they're the go-to editor in this area. — Bilorv (talk) 00:18, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Hmmm....my ears are burning...let me take a look....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:22, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

The sentence about introduced to New Zealand has been there since 2010 - never referenced. David notMD (talk) 01:56, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Reorganization

Hi Thank you for inviting me to the Teahouse. My Question - If a {{Cleanup reorganize|date=March 2021}} is placed and I have already cleaned up the article, when will it be removed? Palakasan (talk) 02:09, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

You can remove it yourself. See Help:Maintenance template removal for more info (or click "Learn how and when to remove this template message" in the template above). Kleinpecan (talk) 02:14, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Change Redirect

How do you change or request a change of a Redirect?--Pibal373 (talk) 03:04, 1 April 2021 (UTC) Pibal373 (talk) 03:04, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

@Pibal373: Welcome to the Teahouse. If a redirect brings you to a second page, there is a small string of text at the very top that will say (Redirected from [page]). You can click on that to bring you to the redirecting page, where you can edit the link to the appropriate target. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:09, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Curious Emergency shutoff... button of (any?) Bot

Uh... idk what to ask like how does it look like after one presses the emergency stop like does it do anything or does something instantly notice a change if so what change or changes... and how would one know if it A were inadvertently pushed/pressed both if done by themself as well as if another had inadvertently done such as described, also what would show up or whatnot like would anything change as to regards/for regarding display etc? Also is there a way to TRY using an emergency shutoff w/o it being unknown potentially whether it is disturbing— not like morally wrong but like effecting something etc in an unintended or inintentional/unexpected way or having the potential for perhaps interference... should one just use the sandbox and/or like genuinely pretend imagine that it is an emergency shutoff and that by editing the sandbox Its really pushing/pressing/hitting etc the button for shutoff/emergency shutoff? Kinda not tryna get banned is why kinda... reluctant? Hesitant? Idk what it is— to try doing so/such... oh if one is reading this lets both try so that no matter what if something goes wrong we will just be above to say that well we'll just have to hope for the best :D and that way neither one gets punished via means of being deemed that that renders it impossible to or be capable of doing something that is not ok. Oh btw what is the reference saying "do not..." beneath this paragraph to tildes... like that's name of a computer code/format/language right? And am now realizing idk if what this is doing is helpful, about to be mistook as or taken as vandalism, or just plain not doing anything or getting anywhere so if successful.. is this how to ask questions on here? &Jvc why the name teahouse... no reason it just reminds of or makes think of the "turbo time" pr something something teahouse whatever that is/was off of a show that was maybe still on called jhony test.. anyways yeah tysvm for reading this long af ya prolly gonna think this is practically a religipusly associated to the book or books known as the bibke or bibles... bible length of a barache barage? Of... idk just babble so trailing off now kinda like tina/bobs burgers Carpetlice (talk) 04:21, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

@Carpetlice: In 99% of the bots I know, the emergency shutoff button only works for Administrators anyway, because it contains a link to Special:Block under the hood, a page only working if you are an administrator. For all other users, those buttons have no effect. And yes, the button is realy only for emergencies, because odds are that your disrupt the bot at what he is currently doing. These buttons will stop the bot right awawy, as a nature consequence off the block appliied to the bot account, meaning you will probbably catch it somewhere between two edits which were intended to be run both. Victor Schmidt (talk) 06:46, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Some bots, like User:AnomieBOT, also have shut-off pages for each task that anyone can edit (for example, User:AnomieBOT/shutoff/TFDClerk). However, please don't do this if there isn't a need to shut the bot off. OwO (what's this?) 07:19, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Login error: "There seems to be a problem with your login session; this action has been canceled as a precaution against session hijacking. Please resubmit the form. You may receive this message if you are blocking cookies."

Hello! I have been a registered editor for sometime. Couple days ago I started getting this error when I tried to login on Microsoft Edge. To be clear, I am not blocking cookies, as the error suggests. I searched online and found that people with this issue are usually using some special server and some mediawiki installation; I am doing none of those. I am just a average reader using regular ethernet connection on a regular browser. I am still able to login from Internet Explorer and Google Chrome. Your help is much appreciated! Luminoxius (talk) 04:32, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Richa Jain

hey my friend made a page exactly same to my page on richa jain his page was declined so i thought i would make it but whenever i am putting it out for a review i am getting the message that one page is already under review but i contacted the guy who made the page his page was declined than why my page is not getting rewieved please help  Himanshushukla433 (talk) 04:47, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Starting a project (not WikiProject)

Can a user start a project, not a wikiproject but a project like making a list of basic and notable questions with simple and reliable answers, if yes then where to start, should I start it on subpage of my userpage or other, also what are the guidelines. ExclusiveEditor (talk) 05:07, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

@ExclusiveEditor: Is this for your own personal use? You could start a subpage in your user space. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:14, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

No it is not for my personal use, I am creating a list of basic questions with reliable answers for new editors on Wikipedia.ExclusiveEditor (talk) 06:15, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

@ExclusiveEditor: writings about Wikipedia are allowed in your userspace, of course. If you think it might be useful to others, then you could put it in project-space (Wikipedia:Essay title), just make sure to tag it with {{essay}}, {{Information page}}, or something similar. I'd recommend starting it as a subpage of your userpage, though. OwO (what's this?) 07:17, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Contributing to a page through Wikiproject

Hello,

I am trying to edit NOYB, but before I do so I wanted to get feedback on TALK:NOYB. Upon going to the talk page I found it was claimed by multiple wikiprojects. Upon joining wikiprojects for organizations, I cant seem to figure out how to contribute or request feedback on my potential edits, and additionally, im confused on how to actually submit the edits once I get feedback. I found the talk page for the organizations wikiproject- should I post my ideas for edits there? If there isnt a response over a few weeks can I join a different wikiproject and post to that talk page? How do I get approval to make edits?

Thanks for the help! MrSirGuyFriendBuddyOlPal (talk) 06:30, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

@MrSirGuyFriendBuddyOlPal: hey, I'd recommend just going ahead and making the edits - see Wikipedia:Be bold. If you really don't feel confident in them, then you could post them at the article's talkpage, or the Wikiprojects' talkpages, for example at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Organizations. Seriously, though, I would just suggest making the edits to the article first. Joining Wikiprojects is entirely unnecessary and you are already approved to edit the page. OwO (what's this?) 07:16, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Help Create a Page

Please help me create a page Editormian (talk) 07:39, 1 April 2021 (UTC)