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Name change

Who unilaterally changed the name of this page and deleted all the prior talk discussions on the subject? By who's authority was this change made? While the name Great Pyrenees is "Western Centric", by far (as in many, many times the number) the majority of the Great Pyrenees on the entire world live in the US and Canada. BigWhiteFireDog (talk) 16:47, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello BigWhiteFireDog, you can look at the page’s history to determine who moved the page and why, their authority to do so is in policy, this was noticed by WP:WikiProject Dogs and discussed here. I must say I support the move, it appears the term Great Pyrenees is restricted to the US & Canada whilst the rest of the English speaking world use the name Pyrenean Mountain Dog, but I am happy to listen evidence to the contrary. Also, no one has deleted anything from this talk page, it has been archived. Cavalryman (talk) 21:22, 24 June 2020 (UTC).[reply]

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Desertarun (talk) 07:59, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Pyrenean Mountain Dog guarding sheep
Pyrenean Mountain Dog guarding sheep
  • ... that in the 1990s Pyrenean Mountain Dogs were urgently introduced onto French farms to protect flocks from wolves that had arrived from Italy? Bobbé, Sophie (2000). "Un mode de garde écologiquement correct: le chien de protection" (PDF). Ethnologie française (in French). 30 (3): 459–472. Retrieved 18 June 2021.
    • ALT1:... that historically Pyrenean Mountain Dogs were used to smuggle contraband between France and Spain across the Pyrenees? Wilcox, Bonnie; Walkowicz, Chris (1995). Atlas of dog breeds of the world. Neptune City, N.J.: TFH Publications. pp. 8 & 465–467.
    • ALT2:... that in the 17th century King Louis XIV named the Pyrenean Mountain Dog the Royal Dog of France? Morris, Desmond (2001). Dogs: the ultimate dictionary of over 1,000 dog breeds. North Pomfret, VT: Trafalgar Square Publishing. pp. 374, 423 & 616. ISBN 978-1-57076-219-2.
  • Comment: Forth ever DYK nomination, still too green for a QPQ.

Improved to Good Article status by Cavalryman (talk). Self-nominated at 06:17, 23 June 2021 (UTC).[reply]

  • Promoted to GA on 22 June, so new enough in that sense. Long enough, and within policy. All hooks are good IMO and all are supported by inline citations, some referring to offline works AGF. QPQ not needed. Image properly licensed. This should be good to go. Well-written and interesting piece! Yakikaki (talk) 17:58, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox photo

The infobox photo should try to show as many characteristics of the breed as possible. The one I propose has been there for nine years now and is used on more than a dozen wikis (the lower quality .jpg is -- I have uploaded today a higher quality .png file). It is also under eval for POTD. So it should show the hind legs double dew claws, the hind legs "pantaloon" appearance, an example of badgering, and at least HAVE a tail if not show the "shepherd's crook" of the GP tail. The photo should also be well composed from a photographic standpoint (good composition, foreground/background/ bokeh, etc). Having the owner standing there holding the dog on a lease detracts from looking at the features of the breed. Everyone wants to have their precious dog be shown, but we should evaluate the photo on its merits and not our emotions. HeartSpoon (talk)

Hello HeartSpoon, I appreciate you took this photo, many editors like to turn Wikipedia articles into shrines to their pets, unfortunately Commons or your userpage is the place to do that. Further, the previous image was added on 10 May and has been stable since then, per WP:BRD you were perfectly within your rights to change the picture, and I to revert, but you are now trying to edit war the picture of your dog into the article, that is inappropriate. Cavalryman (talk) 23:09, 27 June 2021 (UTC).[reply]
Some comments. That the proposed pix has been on this page for 9 years is irrelevant - everything is subject to change. That it has appeared on a dozen other wikis is similarly irrelevant, this is the English language Wikipedia and it is not constrained by what happens on other wikis. The pix has very recently been nominated for Featured Picture, and I note that there is already one Oppose vote based on poor composition. Additionally, for the purposes of breed articles we require a good representation of the breed first, and artistic and photographic merit second. Who owns the dog depicted should not enter the discussion - we are lucky for this article to have some good representations of the breed, unlike many other WP:DOGS articles. With these filters removed, it is my opinion that the discussion would now best focus on which of the two pix offers the best representation of the breed guided by the FCI Breed Standard. William Harris (talk) 00:30, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Please re-read and note that my original comments were at least half about the merits of the photo as it represents the breed and was in terms of composition. And it is not "my dog." I did upload the photo; and it has been the infobox photo continuously for 8-9 years prior to the change by Calvaryman. This is not irrelevant as it shows a majority of viewers agreed with the photo being in the infobox or they would have changed it for another. The alternate photo has many sub-par features: a man standing behind the dog holding it in place with a distracting checkered jacket avec Rolex, a distracting red and white building in the background, lack of good bokeh, distracting shadows that obscure the dog's features, a LACK of a TAIL and other representative features of the breed (poor "pantalooning" of the hind legs, poor depiction of double dew claws on hind legs, etc.). I'll leave it for others to decide. By the way, is my immediately asking to take this to the talk page starting an "edit war?" HeartSpoon (talk)
The photo as it was for nine years:
Or the photo proposed by Calvaryman:
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