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Reinstating a deleted page

An article / wiki page on Sarala Roy was recently removed due to a citation issue. How can I find that article, fix the citation, and put it back in? Please help, thank you. Chetanroy (talk) 05:23, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Sarala Roy wasn't removed for a "citation issue" it was removed as a copyright violation. We could only restore it if we receive permission from the copyright holder via VRT. Anyone is allowed to write a new version though. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 06:06, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank you Victor. I can create a new page but I would like to see what was written there and to see who I need to follow up with on the copyright violation. Is it possible to find the old page to review the contents? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.254.17.7 (talk) 13:12, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Chetanroy, deleted pages containing significant copyright violations cannot be restored for legal reasons. Wikipedia takes copyright much more seriously than many other websites because our licensing allows for free re-use of all of our text content, as long as attribution is given. That means that Wikipedia must be very strict when copyright violations are involved. Cullen328 (talk) 07:10, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Edit count

Hello, I realized on my IPad it say I have made 470, but on my laptop it says I have like 870. Does my laptop count the number of edits I’ve mad on both my laptop and IPad or just my laptop? I also assume the IPad just counts the number of edits I’ve made on the IPad. Kaleeb18 (talk) 15:28, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

@Kaleeb18: You have approximately 900 edits in total, and about 470 of those are to main (article) space. See your edit count. Perhaps you use a mobile skin on the iPad and a Desktop skin on the laptop that have different assumptions on what you'd like to see, and one of them gives you only article edits, the other all edits. —Kusma (talk) 15:34, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Any edit count will be based on which account was used and not which device or browser. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:56, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Oh gotcha and thank you. Kaleeb18 (talk) 16:07, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Kaleeb18, you might also be interested in Special:Homepage. The "Your impact" panel shows how many people have been viewing articles you edited recently. ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 09:12, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

@Pelagic: I’ve seen that before like right now it like 950,000 people have seen my edits, but it’s been like 2 mil. before. Kaleeb18 (talk) 15:20, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

_{@Pelagic: Pinging them since you accidentally linked to the disambig page for ping instead of using the template ― Blaze The Wolf^TalkBlaze Wolf#6545 15:25, 30 November 2021 (UTC)}

Thx ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 20:11, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Two people with the same name

Hello - I would like to create a page for a person who has the same name as someone already listed on Wiki. One is an actor and is not on Wiki. The other is a hockey player by the same name. When you click the actor's name, it automatically goes to the hockey players page. Griff3161 (talk) 16:58, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi Griff3161! I recently encountered this problem when making the article Francis Bourgeois (trainspotter), my suggestion would be to name the page "(person's name) (actor)", then monitor the pageviews of both pages for a while, and then the actor's page could be renamed and made the primary topic, or the person's name (without the "actor") could be turned into a disambiguation page if that makes sense? wizzito | say hello! 17:08, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

It looks like you're trying to create an article about yourself. Can you please read this page? Thanks! wizzito | say hello! 17:12, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Griff3161 Wikipedia articles and IMBd cannot be used as references for Wikipedia articles. David notMD (talk) 20:36, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

It is about me. I'm not the hockey player and wanted to distinguish between he and I. If you select my name in the credits that are listed on this site, it goes to the hockey player. I just wanted to separate us. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Griff3161 (talk • contribs) 20:54, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Distinguish between him and me, not he and I. Uporządnicki (talk) 19:48, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Unless you can find references other than Wikipedia articles and IMBd, your attempt to turn User:Griff3161/sandbox into an article about yourself will fail. Also, see WP:AUTO. David notMD (talk) 21:19, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

@Griff3161: Sir, WP is not reliable source and you can not add WP, IMDb as source. According to WP policy you can not write article about yourself. You can request a article for writing WP : Request article. @David notMD:Hello, This actor deserves a WP articles, I search on Web, he really was in Forest Gump and played the character of Ted with greatest of time Tom Hanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Newton Euro (talk • contribs)

@Griff3161: I fixed all the Wikipedia articles that mention Steven Griffith the actor but incorrectly linked to Steven Griffith the hockey player. GoingBatty (talk) 05:04, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

A question about paid editors

I recently found a paid editor who hadn't made the required disclosure. In their talk page, I told them to make the disclosure, which they did (although they only did so on their talk page, and not on their user page as is required by policy). Before I did this, their paid editing had been ongoing for several years. Should I have reported this user on the noticeboard? --Wartops (talk) 20:00, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

I'm not an admin, but I think that you should definitely report them now. Anonymous from Stack Overflow (talk) 20:13, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

The editor in question has edited two articles (related). You have told the editor to declare paid, which was done on Talk page, and you then advised today to more to User page. A fair guess it will be done. You also tagged the two articles as products of paid editing. If the paid notice is moved to User page I would consider your effort reaching the right result, and done. David notMD (talk) 20:43, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

• Wartops, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, if I am reading this correctly, are you implying they have been engaging in undeclared paid editing for years? Do you have cogent proof? If yes, then please WP:UPE enables you to go to WP:AN/I, if you have hard evidence that may contain private material then please you may want to send an e-mail to ArbCom. Celestina007 (talk) 23:14, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

To be specific here, User:Elizachan16 has been editing Schneider Electric and Jean-Pascal Tricoire since 2019. Now indefinitely blocked. User:Wartops has cut huge amounts from the first and modest amounts from the second. Both still tagged as significant paid editing. Schneider Electric actually shows years of past editing by other accounts that edited nothing else, so in highsight, were undeclared paid editing. David notMD (talk) 03:20, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Well, they were only blocked from editing those two articles. Even after cutting a lot of content, I decided to keep the templates because I feel that the articles might still be overemphasizing certain achievements. --Wartops (talk) 15:56, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Follow-up to Help with module editing

Hello, I asked a question about module war map editing, but my question wasn't answered. Could someone please help me? Thank you! Firestar464 (talk) 02:02, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Firestar464. On the whole, people who answer questions at the Teahouse are familiar with editing articles, but not the inner workings of Templates or modules, which was probably why your question went unanswered. A better place to ask would be WP:VPT. --ColinFine (talk) 13:26, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

When should I ask for an experienced editor to look at my sandbox and what happens then?

Hi there, thanks for the invite to Sandbox. I'm new to Wikipedianism, but felt compelled to try adding an item or two or three about related subjects that are of some interest to me but which are absent on Wikipedia pages. I think they're notable, but may well be mistaken of course. I've a bunch of questions I'd like to ask, but I'll stick to just the subject above. I've written one item in Sandbox, added citations bio info box, it could be item or stub. I'm sure it has errors of course, but there's not much more I can add for the moment. But there may be many Wikipedians out there who can add more if this subject is indeed deemed notable. Question is, am I ready to request asking for the item to be reviewed by experienced editors? What happens after doing this? Of course, I am extremely curious to see if I'm way off the mark or on track and anxious for feedback, for better or worse. And if the subject is notable it would be so very interesting to see any further contributions by editors. Would you encourage me to 'press the button' soon sooner or later? Afewthings (talk) 05:43, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi Afewthings, editors don't usually like to edit other people's sandboxes, but they are happy to edit articles in "Draftspace". So I would suggest moving your sandbox article to Draft space via the "move" tab at the top. After clicking the "move" tab, scroll way down under "New title" and select "Draft". Then where it now says "Afewthings/sandbox", change that to "Albert Edward Powsey" Bert Powsey. Then check "Watch page" and then click the blue "Move page" button and you're done. You can then let relevant WikiProjects know about the draft, and so on. If you have any trouble or want me to do the move for you, ping me by copying my full username like I did yours, or post on my talkpage. Softlavender (talk) 06:01, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

But the text suggests (though doesn't directly say) that he was best known as Bert Powsey. If he was, then this should be the title of the draft, and of the eventual article. Anyway, the title should be the best-known name (thus we have "Joe Biden", not "Joseph Robinette Biden".) -- Hoary (talk) 06:14, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Fair enough, all of the Googlebooks results are under Bert Powsey. Bert Powsey it is. I shall edit my post. Softlavender (talk) 06:43, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

"Wikipedianism" -- it sounds like a congenital disorder of some kind. Uh, that aside: Your User:Afewthings/sandbox is certainly about a most interesting subject. I looked at one of your sources: the first one, this one. You attribute it to "Krystynapickering", but as I see it, it's by Dan Robertson. And it's also dated (29 Sep '21). Once you've fixed this reference, you don't have to write all this out more than once. (Please see this recipe.) -- Hoary (talk) 06:10, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Hey thanks so much for all those responses. Wow that was quick. I will take a look at and apply your suggestions in the next couple of days and do as you suggest, try and move it over to draftspace. So far I haven't found the move tab but will look more closely. Again, thanks kindly for your time.Afewthings (talk) 06:38, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

If you don't mind, I'm just going to do it for you, so you can concentrate on other things like improving the draft itself. Moving can seem somewhat complicated the first time. Softlavender (talk) 06:45, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

 Done

Draft:Bert Powsey

--Softlavender (talk) 06:50, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

I've read the second sentence of the draft multiple times, and still can't make sense of it. What are "the periods"? Who employed the divers? Maproom (talk) 08:31, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

It just needed an apostrophe (period's), which I've added. Now that you mention it though, there is redundancy since I moved a large chunk of text from the lead to the body text. I'll fix that now. Softlavender (talk) 09:07, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Well done, Afewthings, for creating an interesting draft. You should be able to find public domain images to add to it. One obvious source is this one — you need to check the copyright status but with a bit of luck old photographs will be out of copyright and even if they are not, one can be chosen to be placed in the infobox of the article, once it has been accepted, under "fair use" provisions on English Wikipedia (see WP:FAIRUSE). Don't add such a fair-use image until that point. Mike Turnbull (talk) 09:54, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks all for those changes. Have just discovered the 'thank' link and tried to thank everyone at least once but I can't find one for you, Richbot. But thanks and thanks all. No time to review all the iterations but the current version is much much better. The recollections and legacy at the bottom is super touch. And someone corrected that first citation. I'll have to go way back to the earlier version to get a full comparison when I get a mo, but the fact that changes don't leap out indicates it is super smooth editing. It is the errors in the earlier version that leap out ha ha. I have to look into copyright on those old photos. I've collected a bunch but was uncertain of their status and was going to look into it. There are also a lot of interesting old photos of his contemporaries as well. Apparently 70 years from time of death of original copyright owner...if there was one. I will also look at the actual title of the item. Perhaps make it 'Professor Powsey' because that is how he would have been publicly known as were the other diving professors of the time, like Professor Reddish, Professor Cecil and Professor Osbourne. It would be interesting if all these performers had items and it would be interesting for 'Pier Diving' (or some better term) to have it's own article. It seems many people appreciated it in the UK between the late 19th century and perhaps WW2...possibly what is the 'golden age' of pier culture. There seems to be evidence of other similar 'pier culture' attractions elsewhere, perhaps in Europe and certainly in the US, for example, where there were the diving horses. Again, cheers to all and for the assurances that this might be a worthwhile article.Afewthings (talk) 17:47, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi Afewthings, when thedraft is accepted as an article, we can make a WP:REDIRECT from the name Professor Powsey to your article, so that anyone typing in or linking that name will go straight to the article. I agree about having an article on pier diving; good suggestion -- that way all of the names and stunts can be in one place. BTW, I'm going to put a link to The Wikipedia Adventure on your talk page; it's an easy and fun and fairly quick way to learn many of the basics that currently you are trying to figure out. Happy editing, and thanks for the fun content! Softlavender (talk) 23:55, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

OK, that's great...I asked another question about how to change the title from Bert Powsey to Professor Powsey. The books on Pier culture for reference are excellent and would make a good contribution to a Pier culture page itself. Gosh, you all work incredibly quickly. I'm glacial!Afewthings (talk) 00:58, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Length of Time for Page to be Approved?

I created a wiki page, it was my first one, and this was around 2 months ago. There are no notifications or suggested changes.

How long does the approval normally take?

Regards K Kerriannwood (talk) 07:38, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Your draft Draft:Giom Peltier was not submitted for review, I have added the submit template for you, please note the comments I have left there about neutral tone before submitting. Theroadislong (talk) 07:51, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

You submitted the draft without addressing the neutral tone issues as requested, so I have declined it. Theroadislong (talk) 08:17, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Who is the authority?

This is kind of ceasing to be worth it, but if someone is reversing my edits in what I believe is an unreasonable way, and seems to be claiming some higher level of authority than me (e.g. threatening me with consequences), who is an authority I can appeal to above him or her?

More broadly, 'consensus' does not seem to be a good reason for deciding on something. A consensus of people can be wrong. I am kind of imagining that this higher authority would just defer to some kind of 'consensus', regardless of my arguments or the deficiency in my opponent's arguments.

I asked my opponent for an authority and he or she did not respond. If this is how this works, like I said, I don't really feel it's worth it, but just wondering if I was under some kind of misperception. (If there is an authority to whom I can report other editors, that would also be useful, although again I am pessimistic from what I have experienced thus far.) Toadmore (talk) 08:38, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

There is no "authority" in the sense you seem to mean. Wikipedia does indeed operate on the basis of consensus, and if an editor keeps editing an article against consensus, administrators can block that editor from editing that article. That is a consequence of editing behaviour (edit warring), not a consequence of having a particular opinion. Have a look at this information which explains what you need to do; in the particular case of Maryland, the question of which region it belongs to has apparently been a very contentious topic, to the point where there is a separate talk page only for discussions of that. There is also an edit note on the article page itself warning against changing the region without first getting a consensus in favour of a change, and even if you missed it the first time, you were told about it in Talk:Maryland#Region. Have another look at the response you got in that section, as well as here. --bonadea contributions talk 09:01, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

The advice above is entirely correct. However, there is no edit notice on the Maryland page, but rather an html comment in the lead. In source editor, the html comment is not at the top of the lead and therefore could easily be missed by someone just doing a ctrl-F to change the "mid-Atlantic" descriptor. In visual editor (link), this shows as a small, greyed-out information symbol followed by Do not modify text rela... and you need to click the information symbol to see the full comment.

I will put in an edit request for a an edit notice, with the same text as the html comment. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 10:42, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

You are right, of course. I have never used Visual Editor so I didn't realise that. Thanks, Tigraan! --bonadea contributions talk 11:59, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Formatting, Illinois River; in the Links section.

Could someone improve the formatting here? If anyone wants this for a nice two-weekend project*, have at it. Otherwise, I'll do it. Kurnkerner (talk) 09:02, 1 December 2021 (UTC) Kurnkerner (talk) 09:02, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

• Referring to the idea of linking all the Rivers of America volumes to their respective rivers.

@Kurnkerner: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse, the Teahouse is used for questions only not for asking someone to do something, instead I would suggest putting that on the article’s talk page. Kaleeb18 (talk) 16:53, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Change name of article and make it live

FYI

 – Added section heading – ClaudineChionh (talk – contribs)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Panaviatic

Greetings,

I have created new article about company PANAVIATIC AS based in Estonia as current topic on wikipedia is only on Estonian and do not represent current reality about company. However name of my topic is still User:Skyfly289/sandbox. Please let me know how can I change name to PANAVIATIC AS and make it live.

Thank you for your assistance. Skyfly289 (talk) 11:16, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

@Skyfly289, the draft as written will not be accepted as a WP-article, see WP:GNG and Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). On en-WP, you can't base an article on the company's own website. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:16, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Skyfly289 Wikipedia is not a place to just tell about a company and what it does. Wikipedia is interested in what others unconnected with the company say about it, showing how it meets the definition of a notable company as defined by Wikipedia(see the post above). If you are connected with this company, please read WP:COI and WP:PAID for information on formal disclosures you must make. 331dot (talk) 12:20, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Deleting

Is it actually true that we are considering deleting entry on mass killings under communism? Kaleeb18 (talk) 13:46, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

It is true, but article deletion are not extraordinary, multiple articles are deleted everyday. Wikimedia officials/WMF takes no part in the deletion, it is started by an editor, it is discussed by the editors, Wikimedia foundation have no say on the article at all. SunDawntalk 13:54, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Yep, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mass killings under communist regimes (4th nomination). It is the largest (as in amount of text) Afd in en-WP history, see User:JPxG/Oracle/Largest AfDs. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:01, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. Kaleeb18 (talk) 15:05, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Gråbergs Gråa Sång I opened the link you posted. You owe me 30 minutes that I wasted trying to read that monumental clusterf##k. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 19:55, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

@Dodger67 But surely you learned... It must have increased your understanding of... Fine, I owe you 30 min. I'll spend it on improving an article on something. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:20, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Gråbergs Gråa Sång My name is Roger and I'm a Wikipediholic. Today I learned that the WP rabbit hole can be a mindbending experience. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 21:36, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

It's been 30 min since I last edited WP... Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 22:22, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Span

What type of element is span and div. Wikimarkup?? Itcouldbepossible (talk) 13:53, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

For information on Div and span, see Div and span. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:07, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

@David Biddulph No I am actually talking about wiki span and div tags Itcouldbepossible (talk) 14:40, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Perhaps you missed the first line on the page, where it says: "For the use of span in Wikipedia, see Wikipedia:Span tags"? Similarly for div, see Help:HTML in wikitext#div. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:46, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello

hello Wikipedia editors. is there any way I can make my articles more factual? Idount (talk) 14:16, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello Idount and welcome to the Teahouse. Please read Wikipedia:Verifiability.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 15:05, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy: Draft:Fumos. You need references about Fumos that are not fandom, as that is not considered reliable source referencing. David notMD (talk) 15:25, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Non-Notable Pageant Contestants

When I first started editing MBGN and Miss Nigeria pages, the Wiki administrators nearly took them down because they claimed my edits were against Wiki rules; only winners are acknowledged in the tables, with a few notable mentions. When my cousin was competing in Junior Eurovision I tried creating an article for her, but it was deleted because the administrators claimed she was only a contestant, not a winner (Luckily, she DID win eventually). How come Underbednangngam, another editor, keeps extending the table on The Nigerian Queen to include other runners-up, most of whom have faded into obscurity? I've tried explaining to him how Wikipedia works, but he keeps ignoring me (I've been with Wiki over 10 years, I should know). You never see that on other Wiki pageant pages like Miss America or Miss World. Why is it happening here? I think it's very unfair how you run a "Different set of rules for others" policy here on Wikipedia... Jemmabond (talk) 14:32, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Pinging Underbednangngam so they're aware of this conversation. Jemmabond, I see you've started a discussion on Talk:The Nigerian Queen, but you didn't ping Underbednangngam so they may not have known about your post; I also don't see any messages from you on their talk page. If they continue adding material that violates our guidelines, even after attempts to explain and discuss things with them, you can ask for administrator intervention at WP:ANI or WP:3RRV (if they engage in edit warring). Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 18:49, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Template Error Question

Can someone tell me why am I seeing this error in BOLD? Pakistan Historical Society (1991). Journal of the Pakistan Historical Society Volume 39. Pakistan Historical Society. p. 146. "During the life time of Ahmad Shāh Abdali, the Sikhs under Jhanda Singh and Lahna Singh succeeded in capturing Multan on 5th January 1772" line feed character in |title= at position 43.

This is what I have added in article that is showing the error above

Any help would be appreciated.MehmoodS (talk) 14:50, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

References

MehmoodS There was a line break between "Journal of the Pakistan Historical Society" and "Volume 39" in the title, which the template didn't like. Have fixed it now: [1]. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:53, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Joseph2302Thank you for quick response. Learned something. MehmoodS (talk) 14:58, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

how do i "play" in my sandbox?

I don't understand how to play in my sandbox. I want to try a draft article, but I don't want to "publish" it for the world to see. How do I save it just for myself? Or should I create it in Word and then cut and paste? I'm tired and frustrated - let me put this differently - I want to try a draft article, but I can't write it all in one sitting. Should I be using the Sandbox for this? And how do I save things within my Sandbox if I'm not ready to publish?  Prof Mo Lill (talk) 15:12, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

@Prof Mo Lill When you publish a draft or sandbox, it can indeed be seen by anyone in the world, that's why the button says "publish" instead of save like it used to, and it's still important to follow WP:s copyright rules. WP doesn't have a "can only be seen by myself" space. However, a sandbox not indexed on search engines like Google, so other people are unlikely to look at it, unless someone asks them to. Hope this helps. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:21, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

@Prof Mo Lill: Hello Prof and weclome to the Teahouse! When editing, the "publish" button is actually your save button. You can write your draft in your sandbox and it won't be submitted for review until the appropriate templates are added and you press the button to send the draft for review. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 15:22, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Oh, I see. Does it work to draft in Word and then cut and paste into the sandbox? Prof Mo Lill (talk) 15:33, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

That will work. See WP:YFA for guide to the draft process. Be aware that content in your Sandbox is also not found if an editor searchs on a term in Wikipedia (that is in addition to not being found by external search engines). HOWEVER, any editor can look at your chronological list of edits, and get to your Sandbox or Draft that way. Hence, many examples of content in S or D deleted by Administrators if it is copyright infringement, or is so clearly promotional in nature that it has no potential to becoming an article. Non-Admins can tag a S or D with a "Speedy deletion" nomination in order to bring the attention of an Administrator. David notMD (talk) 15:34, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Yes, but you will have to wikify it manually. Minkai^(rawr!)_{(see where I screwed up)} 15:36, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Many Wikipedians do use external tools to work on large articles or sections over time. I would however recommend you consider using a plain text editor rather than MS Word, so you aren't tempted to use Word's visual formatting tools which you would then need to convert to Wikipedia/MediaWiki syntax. Your computer already comes with a plain text editor – Notepad on Windows, TextEdit on Mac. If you must use MS Word, Help:WordToWiki offers some methods for converting to wiki syntax. ClaudineChionh (talk – contribs) 23:03, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

any way to speak or email directly with someone?

Is there any way to speak or email directly with someone? I don't even understand how I will find the answers to the questions I post on here. I just need a bit of help navigating all these pages. I don't understand when I am supposed to use four tildes - I guess only in followup comments? Prof Mo Lill (talk) 15:31, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

@Prof Mo Lill: Hello again Prof! You usually only need to use four tildes when you are making responses and questions on talk pages (Here on teahouse when you create a new section it automatically adds four tildes). As for speaking directly to someone you usually will use their talk page, although occasionally you may need to email them (there should be a button on the side when viewing someone's talk page that says email user). For example, my talk page is located at User talk:Blaze The Wolf. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 15:34, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your help. I must move on today but I may be in touch. Prof Mo Lill (talk) 15:41, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

@Prof Mo Lill: I will also add that not everyone has their email on Wikipedia. Kaleeb18 (talk) 16:42, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Prof Mo Lill, you can also go to a chat room and communicate directly with some other editors: see WP:IRC. I have never been there myself, so I have no idea how responsive or helpful it is. --ColinFine (talk) 17:09, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Needed help with Nancy (singer)

i need a help regarding this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nancy_(singer) article i suggest if i get an allow to edit for adding more information because there is a user forbbiding me to put correct information, what i should do with this? Popicks (talk) 15:47, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

 Note: To responding editor, user has WP:COI to Nancy (singer) as indicated in user replies on my talk page. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 15:56, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

To clarify to Popicks: your edits were reverted because you changed information without references. You have also made clear that you are being paid to edit this article (see your Talk page). That means you must declare the paid relationship on your User page, and are prohibited from editing the article directly. Your only recourse is to use the Talk page of the article Nancy (singer) to propose changes which a non-connected editor will either do or deny. If you do not declare your paid situation you risk being permanently blocked from editing any articles. David notMD (talk) 16:01, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

if i am going to be removed away then how it is going to help the site to gain more accurate information correctly when we here are the ones who work with her personally so we can have more accuracy than of those fans editing the article that only base on the foreign news websites that doesn't do any help for the article Popicks 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Popicks AGAIN, you are not prohibited from contributing, only from contributing directly to the article. See WP:PAID. You must request changes on the Talk page of the article. Be specific, i.e., as in replace ____ with ____ (providing an independent reference to verify the new information). True information will be rejcted if without references. If there is a lot of new information, divide it into several requests. David notMD (talk) 16:54, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

My article was denied as it seemed commercially promotional

I have kept the texts neutral as possible but still, it was received as promotional. And I know I have to disclose it if the article is about the company that I am working on, what would be the process to follow on that matter? Thank you! Oguler743 (talk) 15:50, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

@Oguler743 To disclose your conflict of interest if the article is about the company that you are working with, see WP:DISCLOSE. And if you're paid to edit, see also WP:PAID. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 15:59, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the prompt reply. So even if the article is completely neutral and objective and all the information is reference-based, I cannot publish the article due to the "Conflict of Interest"? or would it be okay if it is completely unbiased? Thanks (P.S: He is a French designer with high-end innovative projects and there are plenty of articles on him) @Paper9oll — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oguler743 (talk • contribs) 16:18, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Oguler743 Wikipedia is not a place to just tell about someone and what they do. A Wikipedia article about a person must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the person, showing how they meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable person. Your draft(which as an administrator I can view even though it is deleted) seems to be largely sourced to sources that tell what Gaugain has done, but discuss him very little if at all. 331dot (talk) 16:37, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

@331dot Thanks. So this means that if I discuss himself furtherly and not only the things he did, would it be possible to get my article published? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oguler743 (talk • contribs)

Oguler743 Before anything else, please make the required disclosures. You need to summarize what others completely unconnected with Mr. Gaugain choose on their own say about him- not based on interviews with him or materials put out by him or his company. 331dot (talk) 17:07, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Need help publishing

Hi. Can someone tell me how to publish an article? I have an article about Pavlov VR that I made in sandbox and I don't know how to publish it. Rzzor (talk) 16:11, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

@Rzzor: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse, if you want to publish it you can simply click move near the top right corner of the page. I will say though your references look like they could use some help so I wouldn’t publish it yet. I suggest reading Help:Referencing for beginners and Help:Your first article. Kaleeb18 (talk) 16:22, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

• @Rzzor: You have created Draft:Pavolov VR; a means to submit it for review has been provided, but if you were to submit it now, it most likely would not be accepted. Please review Your First Article and use the new user tutorial. 331dot (talk) 16:46, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

It is Draft:Pavlov VR. David notMD (talk) 17:06, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

it is submitted for review, which can happen in days, weeks, months (the system is not a queue). Your main ref is to the company website. Can you find independent refs? David notMD (talk) 17:10, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

How to make scrollable list

Hello! So as I continue to clean up my user page and make it better, I want to ask, how would I create a list that a person can scroll through? I'm only asking because of the amount of userboxes I have in my Wikipedia User infobox and I think it would benefit from a user being able to scroll down it instead of it all being displayed in one long section at once. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:57, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

@Blaze The Wolf You might find something to help you at Help:Scrolling list. But, right now, I can scroll down through your usererboxes perfectly easily by scrolling down your userpage. Nick Moyes (talk) 17:05, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

An erosion

 Emma OSOLU (talk) 17:00, 1 December 2021 (UTC)okay

@Emma OSOLU: Hello Emma and welcome to the teahouse! Did you have a question you wanted to ask? ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 17:01, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

How can I ask a question

 Emma OSOLU (talk) 17:10, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Emma OSOLU Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I think that you just did ask a question, so you did fine. The one suggestion I would have is to place your question in the larger edit window, not the smaller section header window. Some people find it easier to use the full desktop version of Wikipedia, even in a browser on a device, instead of the app or mobile versions, which do not have full functionality(easily, at least). 331dot (talk) 17:14, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Problem

Fantasy Cricket article have just to web sources, they're also lesser known. I doubt that this article is paid or written by paid editors, beacuse these fantasy leagus in India spreding that it's legal.Do this article deserve to remain in main space. Newton Euro (talk) 17:27, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Fantasy cricket (links are case sensitive) Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:31, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

The article seems to have been around since 2006, when standards of inclusion were much lower. It is very poorly sourced but note that someone would have to do the necessary WP:Before work in order to go through WP:AfD. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:35, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull: Thanks for response but some experience editors must have to look into it or remove it from main space. If some editors are interested in it they should have further write it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Newton Euro (talk • contribs)

Astro_(South Korean band)

I keep adding facts to the members names (I dont want to step on anyone toes If I am then I dont need to add them) but Iv tried a couple times to edit the members section next to their names and added quick info like main vocalist,visual,malane,actor ect but it gets deleted? Fanclubs of astro the boyband are all frustrated that it does not state next to thier names thier postions on wikipedia of the group or uptodate info like actor ect? I just dont understand why facts are being deleted? If they are facts its okay to add to it right? If kprofiles is not being considered reliable is the problem well fans worldwide use it for information and actual companies of those bands refer to them as well to inform fans,its an offical website for facts. Im new and dont even know if this okay to ask or even do? Please answer and Thank you anyways! Jenylyn227 (talk) 17:56, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Jenylyn227 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Your edits were removed because they were not sourced to a reliable source. If you want to argue that a particular source is reliable, please do so at the reliable sources noticeboard. 331dot (talk) 18:00, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

I have no clue what I am doing

 204.82.222.53 (talk) 18:47, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello IP and welcome to the Teahouse! I see you have no other edits using this IP other than the one to the Teahouse so what is it that you would like to do or what is it that you would like information on? --ARoseWolf 18:54, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Register an account (optional, but recommended), then work through the tutorials. David notMD (talk) 20:20, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Clone-A-Willy Wikipedia Page Taken Down

Hello --

I noticed that a page was taken down and I was curious why? It was for the brand/product Clone-A-Willy and was up for the last couple of months! This is where it was before: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clone-A-Willy

Is there somewhere with information on why pages are taken down? I am a friend of the brand, they are a small company and were very excited about having a page on Wikipedia! I understand the importance of notability and unbiased information for organic Wikipedia pages and was curious if it was something to do with that?

Any help is much appreciated!! BobWilliams1979 (talk) 19:16, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

It looks like the article was deleted because it was created by a paid editing ring that was banned for abusing Wikipedia. You should tell your friends to try to get their money back. MrOllie (talk) 19:20, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

@BobWilliams1979: Hello Bob and welcome to the Teahouse! It appears the page was deleted under G5 of the speedy deletion criteria which means the page was created by a user who was banned/blocked in violation of their ban or block. You can check out WP:DEL for more information as to why pages are deleted. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:22, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

It doesn't seem fair

A friend of mine wrote a page about me, but it has a warning for lack of notability. Are there volunteers who can help fix this? I've done a TEDMED talk, written four books and hundreds of articles. Had a segment about me on NPR's This American Life, and much much more, but I'm not notable??? I'm particularly puzzled because there are many people who seem less notable than I, who have pages without warnings -- for example, half my lawyer friends. I'm a lawyer with a Ph.D. in medical ethics -- the first to do a joint program with that combination that I know of and the first Westerner to go to Iran to study their organ selling programs extensively (extensively meaning hundred's of interviews, one anthropologist had done one day of interviews at one hospital). Why do I not qualify -- If the friend who wrote the page for me made mistakes, why doesn't someone help fix them, instead of making me seem like a self-promoting fraud with the warning boxes? Integrity1010 (talk) 19:46, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

@Integrity1010 Welcome to the Teahouse. You might care to tell us who you are so that we can look for sources that talk in detail about you. I'm afraid our Notability criteria for people demands to know, not what a person has done in the ir life, but what others have written about them. You would be welcome to link o a few of those sources so we can try to guide you further. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 19:55, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Based on the description, I'm guessing Sigrid Fry-Revere (which does seem to have a lot of problems by our standards). Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 19:58, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

This was tagged in Dec 2019, and had had dozens of edits since then. Perhaps Wikignome Wintergreen, a recent editor of the article will consider removing the tag. Neither you nor your friend should remove it (nor edit the article anymore). The article has been criticized for weak referencing and possibly not reaching the bar for notability. David notMD (talk) 20:28, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

I assume the notability standard here is WP:NACADEMIC, but I'm far from an expert in the notability area, and academics seem particularly tricky. I'll leave that decision to someone else, but I'll fix up the article in other ways. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 20:34, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

I've taken a quick look through the article and at some of the citations. I recognise that the article is currently being worked on, but my feeling is that the page comes over as an amazingly impressive CV of a person who has done some wonderful work on her field. I don't see sources that talk about her, as we would expect from independent sources to meet WP:NBIO. The past professorial position itself doesn't quite meet Criterion 5 of WP:NPROF on its own, yet I suspect the body of work she has produced in that and in subsequent roles could be deemed to have had a significant impact under criteria 1 or 7. But as this isn't an WP:AFD discussion, I don't need to go into more detail at this stage, though such a discussion would need further search for independent sources and could be borderline, despite her achievements. That said, I'd not be pushing for such a discussion, and would expect a fair bit of effort to go into WP:BEFORE. I think the notability template was not hugely unreasonable, and hopefully current efforts will help. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:33, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

"Borderline notable" - the hardest case to deal with. Basically, Integrity1010, it's hard to make a decision here without doing some significant research, and since we're all volunteers, there's no way to force anyone to do that research. As it stands, the article doesn't contain any good (by our standards) sources which prove beyond doubt that you're notable (by our standards), so the tag - for the moment - remains. If you think you have such sources, the best place for them is probably the article's talk page, Talk:Sigrid Fry-Revere, since this post on the Teahouse will get archived eventually. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 00:55, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Not sure if I'm doing this right, putting my responses here. Yes, I'm Sigrid Fry-Revere. I'm also the first person to create a living organ donor advocacy group which was not run by organ recipients as a hidden way to get more people to become organ donors. My organization -- The American Living Organ Donor Fund actually advocated for living organ donors without any conflict of interest --- we didn't find donors for organ recipients. We helped living organ donors with information and helped them with expenses and lost wages -- something which at the time some people thought was illegal but now is part of the federally funded NLDAC program and many state and private programs as well. How many firsts does a person have to have to qualify as notable? Isn't the fact that I'm cited or quoted on Academia.com at least a few times a week and sometimes several times in a day worth something -- I'm part of a very important conversation -- so much so that people find it necessary to answer what I've written -- not the least of which is the research I did in Iran -- which by the way was accepted as part of the National Library of Medicine's permanent collection. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Integrity1010 (talk • contribs) 21:26, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

I've never edited the page, but I know some friends have tried. I'll tell them not to do so anymore. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Integrity1010 (talk • contribs) 21:29, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

@Integrity1010: If you ever do intend on editing the page take a look at WP:BIO and WP:COI. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 21:36, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Friends can edit as long as 1) declare a conflict of interest on their own User page, and 2) refrain from editing the article directly, but rather post requests on the Talk page of the article. David notMD (talk) 22:02, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

The most important thing to note is that Wikipedia has a peculiar and specific conception of what notability means. It essentially means that you have "received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject." Somewhat different and more specific criteria apply for academics, but that is the basic principle - not having many firsts or doing important work. Zoozaz1 (talk) 01:31, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

So looking at just the first 7 pages of 148,000 entries for my name on Google, I found the following secondary sources. None of these are articles by me, nor are they simply citations or quotes. They are all more extensive discussions of my work and / or my life. I'm sure I could find at least another dozen more.

Secondary Sources.

Articles that talk about me:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-organ-donor-expenses/new-fund-eases-expenses-for-organ-donors-idUKKBN0L22IP20150129

https://www.ozy.com/news-and-politics/the-country-where-selling-your-organs-is-legit/70282/

https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/sigrid-fry-revere/the-kidney-sellers/

https://www.nyjournalofbooks.com/book-review/kidney-sellers-journey-discovery-iran

https://philpeople.org/profiles/hojjat-soofi

https://www.thisamericanlife.org/580/transcript

https://researchers.mq.edu.au/en/publications/iranian-kidney-market-in-limbo-a-commentary-on-the-ambiguous-less

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/world/2016/08/25/iran-kidneys-sale/89371302/

https://www.nature.com/articles/ncprheum0649

https://www.yourconroenews.com/neighborhood/moco/opinion/article/A-privatized-world-is-a-better-world-9280334.php

https://www.denverpost.com/2016/08/25/iran-payment-for-kidney-donors/

https://ethiquetransplantation.com/publications/

https://docksci.com/a-closer-look-at-the-iranian-model-of-kidney-transplantation_5a91386ed64ab21d3d54e5a7.html

https://jasn.asnjournals.org/content/30/8/1349

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x78dlxh

https://www.deccanchronicle.com/lifestyle/health-and-wellbeing/250816/a-unique-system-in-iran-is-allowing-payments-for-kidney-donors.html

Research guide mentions my work:

https://www.hivlawandpolicy.org/resources/search-resources?page=11&issue%5B0%5D=154&f%5B0%5D=sm_field_issues%3Anode%3A154

Biography pages: https://peoplepill. com/people/sigrid-fry-revere

https://emu.edu/now/news/2015/bioethicist-and-living-donor-advocate-sigrid-fry-revere-challenges-the-current-organ-donor-system-with-questions-about-why-irans-system-is-more-responsible-and-ethical/

https://it.qiq.wiki/wiki/Sigrid_Fry-Revere

Thanking me for the contributions to his work

file:///Users/AristotlesPride/Downloads/21139-Article%20Text-29835-1-10-20160426%20(1).pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by Integrity1010 (talk • contribs) 02:33, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Integrity1010 have you read Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing? If an article about you is published it won't belong to you or to the friend who wrote it. Anyone with Internet access can find both flattering and unflattering references to you and edit the article. If you are determined to obtain your own Wikipedia article that will likely happen, but if you later decide you are not happy with changes in the article you will not be able to have it deleted.

Please remember that, with the exception of a few paid editors (who are not paid by Wikipedia), most of the people connected with Wikipedia are volunteers who work in their spare time, and choose projects that interest them. If you provide all 148,000 entries on Google that does not mean that anyone will be obligated to improve the draft article about yourself.

If being the subject of a Wikipedia subject is so very important to you I wish you well in having your dream fulfilled. Karenthewriter (talk) 04:20, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Good advice, though in this case it's not a draft - the article was created and moved to mainspace in 2008, when standards were laxer. Now either deleting or improving will take some effort. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 04:39, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

That was a foolish mistake on my part, to state that the article was still a draft. I became confused by the long list of citations to be added, but I should have double checked the status before posting. Karenthewriter (talk) 08:19, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Uhm

FYI

 – Added header. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 20:15, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

umh okay 82.203.67.57 (talk) 20:05, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

St Thomas Aquinas Catholic Primary School

May I request the validation of this page, as it is currently a draft made by me. Here is the draft: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:St_Thomas_Aquinas_Catholic_Primary_School QCS 2020 (talk) 20:33, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

QCS 2020, Draft:St Thomas Aquinas Catholic Primary School cites no sources at all, and so won't be accepted as an article in its current state. Maproom (talk) 21:09, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Attempts to create articles about primary schools rarely succeed. Needs refs to show what is notable, and then submit to Articles for Creation for a review. David notMD (talk) 21:24, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Please stop User:GenQuest from supporting genocide denial

Hi yes. I made a change to the Trail of Tears page and a user called GenQuest has gone so far as to write some trash on my personal Talk page about how the Native American genocide wasn't a genocide. They also seem to be very intent on this, showing a distinct POV on the issue, including making absolutely not-neutral statements about "cancel culture" and putting up fake pronouns ("wombat/wombastic") into their own profile. This in turn is not neutral in any way on the question of trans rights.

Your organization apparently has taken the decidedly non-neutral view that what the United States did to the Native Americans beginning before the U.S.'s present government was established and going up through the 20th century -- where Native children were sent to residential schools where they were apparently murdered in great numbers as we have recently learned -- was not a genocide. This is absolutely not a Neutral Point of View on this matter, as the evidence for the genocide having occurred is absolutely overwhelming.

I presume that you would not tolerate Holocaust denialism being placed on the same level as the Holocaust. It is flatly disgusting that anyone even has to write what I'm writing to ask, politely, that such denialism cease being a part of Wikipedia's take on the Trail of Tears, which as it stands appears to be being actively monitored and edited by genocide denialists. Please make a note of it. Spiritu (talk) 20:33, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

@Spiritu: I'm seeing:
(1) this edit on your talk page
(2) similar edit on GenQuest's talk
(3) your edit on Trail of Tears from June,
(4) This section on your talk page from June: User talk:Spiritu#June 2021
(5) several of your edits on the Trail of Tears article from Dec. 1 (today).
Are these all of the edits that are relevant to the issue that you've brought up here? — Alalch Emis (talk) 21:06, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

It appears all of this is in reference or finds it's beginning in this comment by @GenQuest on Talk:Trail of Tears made on January 4th of this year. --ARoseWolf 21:22, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, that was quite a long time ago. This isn't very healthy. — Alalch Emis (talk) 21:56, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

For clarity: I left a response on GenQuest's user talk giving this editor some options for content disputes or behavior disputes. --ARoseWolf 22:03, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Cultural Marxism conspiracy theory [2]

For the 'Cultural Marxism conspiracy theory' article, In the 'Political correctness and antisemitic canards' there is a segment from an article by Samuel Moyn. I would like to add this article [3] which is a direct rebuttal to the article by Moyn and his points. There is also the 'origin' section of the article which cites an article that claims that its from 'New Dark Age: Frankfurt School and 'Political Correctness' (1992), but the earliest use of the term is actually from a book published in 1973 [4] which I would also like to add to the article. I see that the article is locked. What is the process I would need to go through in order to add this? Thanks! Digital Herodotus (talk) 23:49, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

@Digital Herodotus: You'd raise it on the talk page of the article. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 23:52, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the help — Preceding unsigned comment added by Digital Herodotus (talk • contribs) 23:56, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Talk page archiving

Hey there. I'm trying to set up auto archiving of my talk page. I believe I've added User:lowercase sigmabot III and set it up correctly per the instructions on WP:ARCHIVE. Though I won't know for sure until it completes its next run. I was wondering if someone might be able to check if there's anything I've missed? The style of archiving I'd like is one archive per year.

I'm also confused as to whether or not I also need to add Legobot for automatic indexing of archives created by Sigmabot. If so, do I just stick that on my talk page, underneath the substring for Sigmabot? Sideswipe9th (talk) 23:59, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

@Sideswipe9th: Welcome to the teahouse. Archiving a talk page may not be easy, but you followed the instructions. You wrote: 1 archive for each year, so that will probably take long. However, you may copy this and paste to your talk page:

{{User:MiszaBot/config
| algo=old(90d)
| archive=User talk:Severestorm28/Archive %(counter)d
| counter=1
| maxarchivesize=75K
| archiveheader={{Automatic archive navigator}}
| minthreadsleft=4
| minthreadstoarchive=1
}}

I think the bot for this is Misza Bot, which this bot is ok, too. Just paste that on the talk page, and you're all set. It should archive a discussion. If it doesn't, please let me know. Happy editing! Severestorm28 (talk) 00:46, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

@Severestorm28: Cheers. That looks pretty similar to how I have lowercase sigmabot III set up, which uses the same config structure. From reading the documentation it seems that Sigmabot took over MiszaBot's functions at some point, so uses the same config lines. From looking at the bot's contributions, it seems as though it takes about seven hours to run and starts around midnight UTC, so hopefully by the time I wake up tomorrow I'll know for sure if it's at least archiving properly. Sideswipe9th (talk) 00:56, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

@Sideswipe9th: However, it might take some time archiving. Maybe 1-2 days it will start, when mine started long, long ago. Severestorm28 (talk) 00:59, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Search privacy

When I'm logged into my Wikipedia account does my account save my article search history, regardless if I put it on my watchlist and if so how can I clear it? Hgh1985 (talk) 00:02, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Search history is a browser-side option, not something on our end. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 00:03, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

No I meant only the articles that I look up on Wikipedia, for example YouTube records every search and video watch history on logged in Google Account unless if the feature is manually turned off

Hgh1985 (talk) 00:07, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

And, again, Wikipedia's search history is controlled by your browser settings, not an account option. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 00:12, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

changing draft title

I've got a draft for an item almost ready to submit for review (and add tags to for people with expertise in the area) thanks to some seasoned editors who made valuable contributions. However, I've decided that what I originally named the draft: draft:'Bert Powsey' should be 'Professor Powsey' which is the professional name of this person as would be searched on search engines and better known by moniker (btw this is a 'professor' in the non-formal sense; this person was a pier diver and there were many such divers called 'professors' in the same way Punch and Judy operators, or piano players, might be called 'professors' (as in 'Professor Longhair'). To the point, can I change the name of the draft to Professor Powsey? I'm going in circles trying to find 'move' on my edit board; perhaps because I'm new to Wikipedia I'm not able to do this. As I understand it there is a risk of losing the edit history. I would like to change the draft name accordingly and still retain the edit history of the piece. Afewthings (talk) 00:22, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

The title of a draft, as a rule, is provisional at best. When/if the draft is accepted by a reviewer, they'll move it to a more appropriate title per WP:COMMONNAME. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 00:26, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

My profile not showing when searching

Hi, so I created and edited my profile a couple of months ago and I thought I have to wait for 3 months for it to get approved and published. But, I still can't find it while searching it, neither in Wikipedia search nor in google. Can you help me bring it up?

Here is the link to my page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Pezhmanmusic Pezhmanmusic (talk) 00:39, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

@Pezhmanmusic: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Your userpage should show up on the top of the page, and it should bring up the userpage you wrote. However, in such occasions in searching, all you need to do is type (User:____) (___ is username) and there you have it. However, if you are creating a biography, please go to WP:Draft. However, I do believe you are talking about your user page. Happy editing! Severestorm28 (talk) 00:42, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Pezhmanmusic Your user page is not article space, and is not searchable by search engines. It is a place to tell about yourself as a Wikipedia editor only. It is not a social media style "profile". Autobiographical articles (not profiles) are highly discouraged, see the autobiography policy. 331dot (talk) 00:53, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Pezhmanmusic. This is the English Wikipedia, and it does not have profiles. It has encyclopedia articles and various "behind the scenes" pages such as user pages. The purpose of your user page is to describe your interests and work as a Wikipedia editor. It is not for the purpose of promoting yourself in Farsi. User pages are not indexed by Google, only encyclopedia articles are. I have tagged your user page for deletion because self-promotion is not permitted. Cullen328 (talk) 00:58, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

To what extent is YouTube valid as a source?

As far as I can tell, in articles about YouTube channels, it is automatically used as a source. I have also seen it used as a source on multiple articles such as Danny Gonzalez, Jarvis Johnson, and Drew Gooden. I'm wondering how much I am able to use YouTube as a source and exactly when this is viable. I'm asking for a draft about a YouTube channel. Thanks in advance - signed, KawaiiManiac (talk) 00:51, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, KawaiiManiac. The vast majority of YouTube content is unfit for use as reliable sources on Wikipedia. Official YouTube channels of respected media organizations are the main exception to that general rule, because they have editorial control, fact checking, and correct their errors. Cullen328 (talk) 01:02, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Also relevant to your specific question is Self-published or questionable sources as sources on themselves. Cullen328 (talk) 01:06, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello KawaiiManiac, in addition to what Cullen has already said, WP:YOUTUBE seems relevant to your question, which states that "Many YouTube videos of newscasts, shows, or other content of interest to Wikipedia visitors are copyright violations and should not be linked, either in the article or in citations. Links should be evaluated for inclusion with due care on a case-by-case basis." TipsyElephant (talk) 03:45, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Draft Submission Rejected - Should I delete the draft?

 Courtesy link: Draft:Global Sustainable Tourism Council

Hello, my article has been rejected repeatedly due to notability issues. I have used several third party sources (NYT, The Global and Mail, The Irish Times, ABC Money), but I've been told this draft will not be reviewed further. I've therefore added it to the "Requested Articles" page here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_articles/Business_and_economics/Organizations#G

It seems that an article cannot be created on this topic while my original draft exists. Should I request it be deleted? Airizarry018 (talk) 01:09, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Airizarry018 Welcome to Tea House! I added a courtesy link, because otherwise people wouldn't what Draft/requested article you're referring to. While your Article submission was rejected the first time due to sourcing, the second time the primary feedback was that it didn't satisfy WP:NORG and that's likely going to be an issue even if you request an article creation. I don't think deleting a Draft will help increase the likelihood of this article being created. We're all WP:VOLUNTEERS and write about what we're interested in. More significant sources will need to come along, before this can become a notable topic. Happy editing! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 01:17, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Airizarry018, I am sympathetic to your situation because it looks like this organization should be notable based on the claims in your draft. But I look at the evidence. I am a New York Times subscriber and I took a look at that source. That was a passing mention and what is required is significant coverage. So, you can list lots of high quality sources that have given passing mentions to this organization and it will be a big waste of your time, and that of your fellow Wikipedia editors. What is required is significant coverage in several independent reliable sources and that is the only way that an acceptable article can be created. Deleting the draft is not a good idea because it is possible that next week or next month, the organization will receive significant coverage. As for "Requested articles", that is one of the least effective areas of Wikipedia, and it seems to be quite rare that articles are actually created there. And when they are, it is because significant coverage in reliable, independent sources exists amd is brought forward. If you just produce evidence of the existence of those sources, then the article becomes possible. No solid evidence of notability means that no article is possible. Cullen328 (talk) 03:06, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Payment

Why do you ask for donations instead of using advertisement services 2600:8800:709B:9900:8D1F:72F8:11E6:8F90 (talk) 01:41, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to Tea House! Normally this space is for asking questions on editing Wikipedia, not discussions but I’ll briefly suggest reading Wikipedia:Funding Wikipedia through advertisements. Happy reading and hopefully editing! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 01:49, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

I do not donate dollars to Wikipedia because the Wikimedia Foundation is awash in cash. I donate my brainpower and my time, which I consider to be much more valuable. Simply sign up for a Wikipedia account and you can turn off the fundraising appeals forever. Cullen328 (talk) 03:11, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

necesito ayuda para crear la biografia de un productor musical

FYI

 – Fixed formatting. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 04:17, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

alguien puede ayudarme ? David15150 (talk) 04:13, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello David15150, since this is English Wikipedia, articles must be written in English, and you also need to use English when posting questions, replies, and comments here. You would have more luck trying to post your draft on Spanish Wikipedia: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Portada. Good Luck! Softlavender (talk) 04:36, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

@Softlavender I've sent them a Welcome greeting in Spanish using WP:TWINKLE ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 13:42, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Clock template parameter

Is there a parameter I can add to the "Clock" template in my user page to show my local time? I've researched several style and template guides on the topic, but no luck so far. CYAce01 (talk) 05:11, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

@CYAce01: I use {{Time userbox}} on mine – is this what you're after? ClaudineChionh (talk – contribs) 05:31, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

@ClaudineChionh: I was hoping I'd be able to use {{Clock}} on mine, but not with the default UTC time setting at the bottom. I'd like to see my local time there instead. CYAce01 (talk) 06:04, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Secondary sources

My article was rejected because it says I need secondary reliable sources. I used verified sources like Comicbook.com and NintendoLife. I am curious what I can do to better my draft so that it is published. Here is a link to my draft. Please help! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:The_Retro_Room_Games Johnroomusic (talk) 06:06, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

@Johnroomusic: The reason is that sources need to discuss The Retro Room Games specifically, instead of the games they produce. This is what we mean by "significant coverage" in WP:GNG. If you can only find sources about the games, then you should be writing an article about the games, not the company. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 07:47, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Apocalypse Cow

I searched for a Wikipedia article on Apocalypse Cow (documentary by George Monbiot, Channel 4, January 2020) - which presented a vision where farms as we know them cease to exist and that most food is produced in vats or in bio-reactors on an industrial scale. The title 'Apocalypse Cow' relates to the premise that cows and other ruminants have devastated the ancient landscape, specifically, removing trees by devouring saplings before they have a chance to mature.

I had hoped to find a balanced critique of this documentary. However, I could not find it - but I did find Apocalypse Cow, apparently, the title of an episode of The Simpsons. On further investigation, I found several claims to the title 'Apocalypse Cow' and so, evidently, The Simpsons does not have a monopoly on this title. See, for reference:

• 'Apocalypse Cow' (The Simpsons)

• Apocalypse Cow (IMDb)

• 'Apocalypse Cow' (documentary)

• Apocalypse Cow: How Meat Killed the Planet, Channel 4, (video)
• ’Apocalypse Cow’ Is the Documentary Meat-Eating Environmentalists Need to See
• Lab-grown food will soon destroy farming – and save the planet (George Monbiot, The Guardian, 2020-01-08)
• Will farming be finished in 50 years? Lab-grown food could replace traditional crops and cattle to save the planet, claims George Monbiot documentary (Daily Mail, 2020-01-08)
• APOCALYPSE COW: The Moment Monbiot Went Too Far (Anna Jones, 2020-01-15)

• 'Apocalypse Cow' (book)

• https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/12925656-apocalypse-cow (2012)

• 'Apocalypse Cow' (beer)

• https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/26/46080/

There are many more links, but I think the above suffice to make my point.

I was about to rename Apocalypse Cow as Apocalypse Cow (The Simpsons) and repurpose the original page as a disambiguation page as a precursor to creating Apocalypse Cow (documentary), but hesitated because I did not want to risk starting an edit war with The Simpsons' Fandom (I experienced something similar many years ago). These days I do not wish to indulge in any activity that invites conflict on Wikipedia - been there before, and have little patience for that.

I trust that there is consensus in favour of what I have in mind. Are there those kind souls who would support me in making above suggested edits and, if necessary, defend such actions should such changes be challenged?
Enquire (talk) 07:23, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

@Enquire: Apocalypse Cow (The Simpsons) already exists as a redirect to Apocalypse Cow, so as this wouldn't be an uncontroversial move, I think your best option is to test for consensus by bringing this discussion to Requested moves and WikiProject The Simpsons. However, I don't know what your experience of Simpsons fandom was like, or whether that would be reflected in current members of the WikiProject. ClaudineChionh (talk – contribs) 07:31, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

@Enquire: The response above isn't not correct, and the Simpsons article is at the correct title. Disambiguation in titles is only necessary if there are multiple articles with the exact same name, and cannot be distinguished from each other in any other way. Since there are no other articles named "Apocalypse Cow", the Simpsons episode get to take that tile. If you want to create a new article for the documentary, create one at Draft:Apocalypse Cow (documentary), and when completed, we'll deal with page moves then. Also pinging ClaudineChionh ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 07:42, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Please help

I uploaded a non free file to Wikipedia using non free file wizard. It is (image removed). Now it is saying something, which I cannot understand. Please tell me what is to be done. I have already stated that is a non free file, please don't delete it. Itcouldbepossible (talk) 07:59, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

@Itcouldbepossible: The image isn't at risk of being deleted; rather, it's only going to be resized into a smaller resolution to fulfill Wikipedia's policy on non-free content. A bot will automatically do this for you, so you don't have to do anything. You can read about non-free image resolution at WP:IMAGERES. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 08:10, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Also note that non-free images should only appear on the page the image is intended for, so I've removed the image here. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 08:10, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

@Ganbaruby Thanks Itcouldbepossible (talk) 08:17, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

@Ganbaruby: If you ever need to refer to a non-free image, then add a colon (:) immediately before the word "file" and it will turn into a link - so [[:file:Example.jpg]] gives file:Example.jpg. Linking that way is permitted as it does not cause the image to display where it is being discussed. Mjroots (talk) 17:42, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Ping Itcouldbepossible, who the above comment should have been directed at. Mjroots (talk) 17:44, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks @Mjroots. I learned yet a new thing. I will remember people like you all through my editing career. Itcouldbepossible ^{(Talk) (Contributions)} 02:31, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

User rights

Hello. Can someone please tell me what user rights are? Such as Pending Changes Reviewer, Rollbacker, Autopatrolled, New Page Patroller etc. What can a user do with these rights? Thank you. Richard Michael William (talk) 09:12, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

@Richard Michael William: You can read about them at Wikipedia:User access levels. However, note that having a lot more of these levels doesn't necessarily mean you're a "better editor", and your opinions during discussions carry the same amount of weight as any other editor out there. Don't try to get as many of these levels as you can if you won't use them (that's called hat collecting). Instead, your main focus should be on creating/improving Wikipedia content, which you can already do. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 09:29, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

@Ganbaruby: Thank you! --Richard Michael William (talk) 09:32, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

@Ganbaruby: After reading Wikipedia:User access levels, I'm thinking of using Rollback right. Because I regularly revert vandalisms. If I am given this right, it will be easier to me to prevent vandalisms. Although I use Twinkle, RedWarn tool. And I don't want this right to show off. Thank you. --Richard Michael William (talk) 09:43, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

The place to ask for this, Richard Michael William, is Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/Rollback. But I suggest that you wait till you can display a record of least half a year of carefully judged edits before making the request. -- Hoary (talk) 11:58, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Just a comment on "Rollback" and anti-vandalism in general: what WP really, really needs are more anti-vandalism editors who look at an edit and check properly that it's wrong before reverting. Particularly on little things, like dates that something happened, there are particularly harmful vandals who make tiny changes, which are very hard to diagnose and correct; they're not obviously wrong at a glance. But there are also well-informed casual editors, often IP-users, who spot this sort of error and correct it, but who don't know the importance of adding a source - and they promptly get reverted by a well-meaning anti-vandal, even though their data were actually correct. So the most valuable people aren't those who've got Rollback privileges; the most valuable people are the careful, quiet fact-checkers. And we've all got fact-checking privileges. Elemimele (talk) 12:52, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

@Hoary: Thank you. I'll try my best to revert more vandalisms. --Richard Michael William (talk) 14:32, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

COI/CITESPAM - delete, tag or revise?

What do we do about an editor's work that was done predominantly to WP:CITESPAM: "citation spamming include academics and scientists using their editing privileges primarily to add citations to their own work". The editor was recently blocked for sockpuppetry. The user knew full well that they weren't supposed to cite themselves, deliberately obscuring their authorship on many of the citations by omitting to mention any author, or hiding their co-authorship by mentioning only the primary author or listing themselves as "and colleagues". They have created hundreds of articles based on their own professional work (citing dozens of their own works, and their colleagues' works, in each) and it's practically impossible to extract their CITESPAM without just torching the whole article. (One example, Addilal.) In other cases, they CITESPAMed within hundreds of other articles (which they didn't create) to add citations to their own work for minor inclusions (like their book mentioned different animal species, so they added their book to each animal's article). (One example, [5]) The latter scenario is easier to solve (remove their inserted CITESPAM), but the former scenario is a more complicated issue. I'm trying to clean up the mess, but not seeking to 'erase' everything. I need some guidance for a balanced approach. Most policies about removing edits refer to banned editors making edits after their ban. I haven't found any guidelines covering this scenario. Platonk (talk) 10:12, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

@Platonk: I haven't looked into the specific case you are concerned with but WP:SELFCITE has some guidance along the lines that quoting one's own (academic) work is allowed within reason so context is important. The key word in the quote you used, which is certainly spamming, is "primarily". Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:44, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull: Like you said, you did NOT look into this case. This user didn't do any of his refspamming "within reason". He engaged for about 2 years to almost exclusively write articles on his field of research. There was no attempt to further improve the encyclopedia. Not everything he added was useless, hence I don't wish to delete everything. But I need another pair of eyes and opinion on what to do with some of this stuff. Platonk (talk) 08:00, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Vandalism on a article

I doubt Chandrakant Nimba Patil vandalised by someone, it should be added in Stub. Newton Euro (talk) 13:13, 2 December 2021 (UTC) Ghodasgaon, Jalgaon article possibly have original research, can someone add inline tag behind OR in this article. Length, Width in infobox probably fall into original research category.Newton Euro (talk) 13:19, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

@Newton Euro: Welcome to the teahouse. Articles rated stub are usually recently created, and the vandalism you talked about is now reverted. Sometime, you can undo the vandalism-account edits. Thank you for reporting vandalism, a small vandalism report can still make a difference. Severestorm28 (talk) 13:27, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Re-introduce edits after clarifying why on the talk page?

Is it ok to reintroduce edits if you describe why on the person who reverted them's talk page? AverroesII (talk) 13:29, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

AverroesII, welcome to the Teahouse! I would suggest reading WP:BRD and following accordingly. Most of the time this can be avoided when referencing reliable sources when we make edits and add information to an article as opposed to no references which is deemed original research. --ARoseWolf 13:38, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Sandbox responsibility

Are we allowed to use sandboxes for making silly non-factual wikipedia pages? I'd feel a bit accountable if my sandbox page could be linked to from wikimedia commons because I used an image in the sandbox. (wikimedia commons keeps a list of all "File usage on other wikis". Michael.koh.zs (talk) 13:33, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

@Michael.koh.zs Welcome to Tea House and thank you for your question! In short, no. Wikipedia:User pages has guidelines, they should all aid in directly improving Wikipedia content and or policies related to Wikipedia. Because you mentioned non factual, worth reading Wikipedia:Humor and WP:HOAX as well. Happy (verifiable and factual) editing! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 13:40, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Follow-up to Fuad Hamza page

Hi,

I came across the page of Fuad Hamza, and am trying to correct erroneous information about him. It is written there that Fuad Hamza was from Palestine, and the proof presented for this was from a single source, a PhD by one student who had it wrong in there. There is also a reference that he may be a Druze from Syria -- it is also wrong. Fuad Hamza is a famous personality in Lebanon's history, and hails from the village of Aabay in Lebanon.

Here is evidence from leading newspaper in the country:

You can also find in various respected resources that Fuad Hamza is a member of the Druze community in Lebanon, including these two:

Can you please help me correct this?

Thank you Wikialma Wikialma 14:39, 2 December 2021 (UTC) Wikialma 14:39, 2 December 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikialma (talk • contribs)

References

Hello, Wikialma. As you were told in October, the place to bring this up is at Talk:Fuad Hamza. If you want your changes to be accepted, you need to achieve consensus among interested editors by discussion on the talk page. --ColinFine (talk) 16:33, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Having taken the time to pore over some of the sources, "he was from Palestine" seems extremely dubious for the reason the OP indicated. I will post something on the talk page. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 09:43, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Changing quotation marks

Is there a tool which allows for curly quotation marks to be changed over to straight quotation marks in an article that's already published. Thank you OpticalBloom241 (talk) 14:52, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

OpticalBloom241 Yes there's a script for it User:DemonDays64/Scripts/Dumb quotes. You can follow steps there to add script to your user scripts, and then on article pages, there's a button "Dumb quotes" which fixes them. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:57, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

How can I make an article with a conflict of interest?

Hello! I do have some experience with Wikipedia but I cannot find anything about this topic. If I want to write an article, theoretically on a friend with notability, how do I disclose a conflict of interest? Am I even allowed to write it at all? Any feedback is appreciated, thanks. AWESOMEDUDE0614 (talk) 15:17, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

If you are being paid, then the guidance is at WP:PAID. If it is just a friend, and no payment is involved, I suggest you follow the advice at WP:COIEDIT. QuiteUnusual (talk) 15:25, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

How to make new section and changing profile picture?

Hi! I want to know how to make a section like this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suga_(rapper) the 'Awards and nominations' one and how to change the thumbnail picture for Cho Seungyoun's page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cho_Seung-youn). I have changed it once but everyone removed my edit so I think need to know how to do it properly. Please kindly teach me on how to do it, thank you in advance! Woodzallrounder (talk) 15:51, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Woodzallrounder, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm not sure what the issue is with the awards table, but one way to reproduce a structure from one article in another is to copy the source and then edit it: go Edit source on Suga (rapper), copy the relevant part of the source, and then Edit source on Cho Seung-youn, paste the copy in, and change the content as required. Remember that everything should be cited to a source.

As for images: as far as I can see, all the images you have uploaded to Wikipedia and to Commons have been deleted for copyright reasons. Wikipedia takes note of copyright more than many sites, which unfortunately puts limits on what pictures we can include. Your best bet for getting an image in the article is to take a picture of him yourself, if that is possible: if you do that, then you will own the copyright, and have the legal ability to license it suitably as you upload it to Commons. If you can't do that, then your best chance is to contact Woodz's agent and ask them to get the copyright owner to license a picture in a way that Wikipedia requires: it will not be enough that they give you permission to use it in Wikipedia, they will have to license it under CC-BY-SA, so that anybody may reuse it. If they are willing to do this, then they should send a mail as specified at donating copyright materials. When they have done that, you'll be able to upload it to Commons. --ColinFine (talk) 17:00, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Changing Display Title on Business Page

How do you change the display title on your company's page? I'd like to change the title of "Barnes Group Inc." to "Barnes" -- we had a company rebrand 3 weeks ago and would like to display the official name as "Barnes" Chrissyd0425 (talk) 16:03, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

There are not supposed to be "company pages" here. There are supposed to be independently written articles about companies. Your "company page" reads like a company brochure--and not only because it consistently refers to the company as "we." I'm really surprised it hasn't been tagged for deletion. Uporządnicki (talk) 16:26, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Chrissyd0425, Wikipedia articles should have as title whatever the subject is usually called, rather than its official name; e.g. "Joe Biden", not "Joseph Robinette Biden Jr." I tried to check what Barnes is usually called by looking at the sources cited in Barnes Group, but none of them mentions it at all. Maproom (talk) 16:23, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

OP has been trying to replace the lead paragraph of the article with a copyvio from the company's own web site. I've reverted and requested a RevDel. --Finngall ^talk 16:46, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

I reverted you again. A simple statement on what the company does is (probably more than) adequate. I'm not even sure about that "wide range of end markets and customers." I think that's what's termed "weasel words" here, and it smacks of promotional hype. I see there's a long history of this with that article. I'm not an administrator, but I suspect the article isn't going to be here very long. Much as I loathe and abominate Facebook, might I suggest that that's where you want to go with this. Uporządnicki (talk) 16:56, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

I would think that a company with a single-letter NYSE ticker symbol would meet the notability standard, but I've been wrong before on such things. --Finngall ^talk 17:06, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

@Chrissyd0425:, a bit of explanation: the reason this has gone a bit messy is because Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not a trade directory or web-hosting site. It only includes information that independent sources have written about a subject, and is extremely suspicious of what sources write about themselves. This has two consequences for you. Since you, I assume, work for Barnes, you have a conflict of interest, and need to read WP:COI for the steps you should take. Basically, you need to declare that you have a conflict of interest, and if you want anything changed on the Barnes article, you have to stop doing it yourself, and instead request that it should be done, on the associated talk-page. Make sure you state exactly what you want doing, and give a source to justify the change. This can include changing the article's title (which is described as a move, because technically the entire article's contents are moved to a new article with the new name). If the only source available to justify something is a press-release from the company, it may still be acceptable, if the change is uncontroversial. A rebranding name-change would probably be okay; a statement that you've just produced the best aircraft parts ever, for example, definitely wouldn't be. If you are paid by Barnes, you should also declare this, see WP:PAID. The other consequence is that unfortunately neither you, nor anyone else associated with Barnes, has any control over what appears in Wikipedia's article, which may include positives, negatives, and everything between, though we are obliged to ensure that everything we write is accurate, and that we maintain a balance. Good luck! Elemimele (talk) 17:37, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

(oh, and a post-script on copyright and why you got rev-del'd: Wikipedia has a most unusual copyright situation: readers are granted the right to use WP text and pictures in whatever way they want, even for-profit, provided they indicate where it came from. If a company's own website text appears here, the company would be giving the whole world total rights to do whatever they want with the text, including using it for a competitor's own site or brochures. This is not a healthy situation for most companies! You wouldn't believe how many company employees have discovered that they've attempted to give the whole world total rights to adopt their employer's trademarks... For this reason, although many people try to insert information directly from company websites, it will always get deleted because it's about 99.9999% certain that the copyright shouldn't or couldn't be granted like that). Elemimele (talk) 17:44, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

@Chrissyd0425: Further note--as Barnes is a currently a disambiguation page for a variety of articles on subjects of the same name, and rightly ought to remain so (noting that I just now added Barnes Group to that page), the new article name would likely be "Barnes (company)" or some such. Hope this helps. --Finngall ^talk 18:07, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Approval of Drafts

Next discussion : #Approved

 Courtesy link: Draft:High School Shooting the Musical
 Courtesy link: Draft:Bruce Novakowski

Will my pages High School Shooting the Musical And Bruce Novakowski be apporaved? YouTubeGamer17 (talk) 16:07, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @YouTubeGamer17: Hello YouTube gamer! In their current state, no. Both are completely unsourced. See your first article for assistance on writing your first article. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:20, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Perm request

Hello! A bit of an odd question. I have an alt account called Blaze Fire Wolf (publicly disclosed on my userpage), and on the userpage of the alt I have stated that I'll only use it for a various number of reasons, one of those being an edit to an article I'd rather not have connected to my main account. Since I have made 0 edits so far on it (Because I created it a while back and then forgot I had it, hence why it's older than this account), would I be able to request perms like autoconfirmed and extended autoconfirmed for it if I ever feel the need to edit using it? ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:09, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

@Blaze The Wolf Definitely! It's one of the explicitly stated scenarios in WP:PERM ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 16:35, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

• @Blaze The Wolf: If you want to use another account for the purposes of editing controversial articles, linking it to the main account would defeat the purpose. Per WP:VALIDALT, section "privacy", non-disclosure of the link between accounts is acceptable in that scenario. (Of course, you cannot request permissions if the accounts are not linked.) Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 10:26, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

How do we save our planet?

 Tachodxteam (talk) 16:21, 2 December 2021 (UTC) How do we save our planet Since the end of the last ice age, humans have developed tools and machines and have modified the land for agriculture and long-term settlement. As the population has grown and new technologies have spread across cultures and continents, more and more of the planet’s resources have been pressed into serving the species. In the process, human activities have disrupted the natural order of the environment by depopulating and eliminating species and adding harmful chemicals to the air, water, and soil—activities that are changing the climate and the structure and function of ecosystems, as well as the biological communities they contain.

Hello Tachodxteam and welcome to the Teahouse. Do you have a question concerning editing or navigating Wikipedia? --ARoseWolf 16:32, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

@Tachodxteam Welcome to Tea House! Wikipedia is not a forum to organize, though the cause of Climate movement is a noble one. Happy reading and hopefully editing! To understand why Wikipedia is not the forum, read WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS and WP:ADVOCACY, I say this as an activist myself. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 16:33, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Am I allowed to make templates?

Hi, I want to make templates, but must I be a template editor for creating templates for people to use in Wikipedia. I am curious about this and I am interested in making templates. Yodas henchman (talk) 16:37, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

@Yodas henchman Welcome to Tea House and the world of templates! I'd recommend asking in Wikipedia:Requested templates for assistance with creating your first template/getting ideas. You don't need a special permission in most cases. Happy templating! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 17:19, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Archival of talk page

How do I make a bot automatically archive my talk page, with a spot to see previous archives? The Tips of Apmh 16:53, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

For help on archiving a talk page, see Help:Archiving a talk page. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:01, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

@David Biddulph: Thanks, I did it, does it look fine? --The Tips of Apmh 18:23, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

my saved articles/reading lists

Hi all

(a) how do I find my reading lists when I have Wikipedia open in my browser (Opera, W10)? Even when I'm logged in I can't see a link to them anywhere

(b) When I'm using the android app I only seem to be able to access my reading lists by saving whatever page/article I'm looking at (even if I don't want it) & then the 'Saved' button will take me to my list...is there a direct link somewhere & if so, where? This is the case even when I'm logged in.

(c) Oddly, even if I'm on the page of an a article I KNOW I've previously saved, it doesn't actually show as 'saved'...the bookmark icon still shows as 'save'. I just tried saving one again, to the same reading list & it is still showing as 'save', not 'saved'...what on earth is going on!

Any advice/help much appreciated as I'm studying & finding not being able to find my reading lists very frustrating!!

Thanks,

Jeffkes (talk) 17:31, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Jeffkes, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that reading lists are only available on the app, and not in the browser or desktop version. See MW:Wikimedia Apps/Android FAQ#Reading lists and offline reading. --ColinFine (talk) 18:10, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello ColinFine & thanks for your response. Although your answer clarifies my 1st question, unfortunately the page you linked to doesn't answer my 2nd & 3rd questions, so if you, or anyone else, can help with those I'd be very grateful!

TIA

Minor question

I know this probably has no importance but can someone who already adopted somebody still be adopted by yet another user? 68.50.116.194 (talk) 17:42, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

There's no formal process and it has no formal meaning, so... sure. As many Wikipedia users can 'adopt' you as want to. DS (talk) 18:16, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

question 2

when will i become a verified editor? Charlidamillion (talk) 19:45, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

There is no such thing as a "verified editor". There is (auto)confirmed (4 days old + 10 edits) and extended-confirmed (30 days old + 500 edits). —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 19:47, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Archiving teahouse

When do they usually archive teahouse conservations? TheAlienMan2002 (talk) 20:12, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

@TheAlienMan2002: Hello AlienMan! Scroll up to the top of the page and it says this, "Completed questions are archived within 3 days." ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 20:14, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

@Blaze The Wolf: thank you. TheAlienMan2002 (talk) 20:16, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

@TheAlienMan2002: No problem! Glad I could help! ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 20:19, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

@TheAlienMan2002: To further add on to Blaze The Wolf's answer, a completed question means a section that has not had anyone edit that section for three consecutive days. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:45, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

• And to further further add, the delay for archival can and has been modified depending on the volume of queries. Actually, right now, the archival template uses the magic code algo = old(48h), so it is actually two days. (It will probably never be shorter than a day or longer than a week in the foreseeable future.) Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 10:39, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Approved

Previous discussion : #Approval of Drafts

How do I get my pages Bruce Novakowski and High School Shooting the Musical approved? YouTubeGamer17 (talk) 20:41, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

@YouTubeGamer17: You need to expand them some more and add reliable sources to them supporting the information stated in the article. I have given you a link to something that will help you in your previous question. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 20:52, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

YouTubeGamer17 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You need to submit them for review, I've added the ability for you to do so. They will not be accepted in their current form, as they have no sources. A Wikipedia article (not a "page") summarizes what independent reliable sources choose to say about a topic, showing how it meets Wikipedia's special definition of notability. Please read Your First Article. 331dot (talk) 20:53, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Archiving

How do you archive talk pages? Kaleeb18 (talk) 20:51, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

@Kaleeb18: See H:ARC. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 20:53, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

@Blaze the Wolf: Are the bots just for user talk pages? Kaleeb18 (talk) 01:10, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

@Kaleeb18: Nope! In fact, Teahouse uses a bot to archive the page. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 01:29, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Gotcha Kaleeb18 (talk) 01:52, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

What to add to this article

What can add to this article thromidia brycei to improve it? Maomaoox (talk) 21:55, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Maomaoox. You could do with adding a source (or sources) to the section Thromidia brycei#Other species. Cordless Larry (talk) 22:06, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

i am new to this

i am new to this i ned help MFxDemon (talk) 21:58, 2 December 2021 (UTC)MFxDemon

You seem to be confused on what Wikipedia is. Wikipedia is not a place to write about things you made up, if you are looking for something like that you will need to go somewhere else. If you are interested in writing about real things in an academic manner feel free to help by making small changes to articles like correcting spelling errors or reverting vandalism. McMatter ^(talk)/_(contrib) 22:05, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Milana Keller AfD

This article is nominated for deletion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Milana_Keller_(2nd_nomination). I am curious because she is walking in shows that are the top of her field, so that would seem to me to meet the WP:ENTERTAINER requirement for models. I would love to understand better why it doesn't or if the WP:GNG supersedes it. Thanks! FiddleheadLady (talk) 22:25, 2 December 2021 (UTC) FiddleheadLady (talk) 22:25, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

FiddleheadLady welcome to Tea House! I didn’t see your arguments in the AfD nomination itself. That would be a more relevant venue than here. It’s the 2nd nomination so it didn’t survive a deletion attempt the first time. See WP:CANVAS as well. You can alert others about a discussion, but only in a neutral way. Happy editing! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 22:34, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

muchas dudas y con ganas de aprender

A quienes se refieren cuando hablan Alos recién llegados? a nosotros los usuarios investigando quizá

lo siento es que busco cosas raras en la internet 2800:200:F900:108B:EDD1:6D41:5986:C112 (talk) 04:24, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, IP editor. This is the English language Wikipedia, where we write and converse in the English language. You may want to try the Spanish Wikipedia. But please do not ask vague philosophical questions. Be concise and specific and direct, with a focus on improving encyclopedias. Cullen328 (talk) 05:10, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Welcome!

Hello, 2800:200:F900:108B:EDD1:6D41:5986:C112, and welcome to Wikipedia! While efforts to improve Wikipedia are always welcome, unfortunately your contributions are not written in an English that is good enough to be useful. You appear to be more familiar with Spanish; did you know there is a Wikipedia in Spanish? You may prefer to contribute there instead. In any case, welcome to the project, and thank you for your efforts! If you need help, please feel free to notify me on my talk page. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 08:42, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

¡Bienvenido!

¡Hola 2800:200:F900:108B:EDD1:6D41:5986:C112, bienvenido a Wikipedia! Si bien todos los esfuerzos para mejorar la Wikipedia son bien recibidos, desdichadamente su nivel de inglés no parece idóneo para hacer contribuciones de utilidad, o las contribuciones no estan escritas en inglés. ¿Sabía que existe una Wikipedia en español? Quizás prefiera contribuir ahí. De cualquiera forma, reciba la más cordial bienvenida a Wikipedia y nuestro agradecimiento por esforzarse. Si necesita ayuda, puede notificármelo en mi página de discusión. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 08:42, 3 December 2021 (UTC) ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 08:43, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Content Translation

I was thinking around what I would do, then I found the Content Translation tool. I translated a Spanish article and it is here. What is to be done next?? Any suggestions.. Itcouldbepossible ^{(Talk) (Contributions) (Log)} 04:35, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Itcouldbepossible. There are a very large number of redlinks in this article, which may lead experienced editors to ask "what the heck is going on here"? Trim them way back. This biography of a living person has only a single reference, whose reliability I cannot fully evaluate because I am not fluent in Spanish. I do, however, know that the expectation is that there will be multiple references to reliable, independent sources devoting significant coverage to a person before an article like this can be considered a acceptable. So, trim the redlinks and improve the references. Translations are welcomed but it is your responsibility as a translator to ensure that your translation complies with the same policies and guidelines thst all other articles are expected to comply with. Cullen328 (talk) 04:55, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks @Cullen328 for your helping hand. I removed the redlinks. But for the references you may go [6] here and see that the spanish article also has only one reference. Well I know that living biographies cannot have only one reference, but to say the truth, that article has one reference in the spanish wikipedia, so where should I find more references. Please guide me in this prospect. Itcouldbepossible ^{(Talk) (Contributions) (Log)} 05:34, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

@Cullen328 I made a request to their Teahouse (see this[7]), seeking help for finding resources. Hope they help. Itcouldbepossible ^{(Talk) (Contributions) (Log)} 05:43, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Also, you shouldn't just dump google translations on here. Machine translations are often unreliable and in this case the sentences don't even read correctly. If you don't know the other language to verify the content and make the necessary modifications, you shouldn't do it. —SpacemanSpiff 05:47, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Itcouldbepossible. The fact that the es-wiki article is under-referenced is a problem for es-wiki. We too have thousands and thousands and thousands of articles which are seriously substandard, and would not be acceptable today; but few people are interested in spending the time to improve or delete them, so they remain. We do not now accept new articles into English Wikipedia unless they meet our current standards, irrespective of whether they are entirely new or a translation. --ColinFine (talk) 09:54, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

@ColinFine Thanks, actually I did not know these things, so I started translating the page. So then the article would be a complete waste of work. Itcouldbepossible ^{(Talk) (Contributions) (Log)} 10:09, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

@Itcouldbepossible: the thing to do is to look at the original article and its subject, and decide if it looks genuinely notable. If so, hunt out some sources. It's not a waste of work, but you need to make sure that the translation is a genuinely good article, in good writing, with good sources, and not just a google-translate of an article that was probably inadequate in the Spanish WP. Someone wise here advised me that translations don't have to be exact. You can use as much or as little of the other WP article as you want (though of course follow the instructions on translation and credit it!) - so if you can find some sources that back up part of what the Spanish article says, while other bits look wobbly, just translate and use the good stuff. Elemimele (talk) 11:19, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

How to add map in a article ?

Shirsada Hanuman Temple article do not have a map, add a map in it. Newton Euro (talk) 07:00, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

@Newton Euro Welcome to Tea House! A great place to ask would be on WikiProject Map's talk page, available here: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Maps. Happy editing and navigating! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 08:49, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

How to get Modern Skin back?

I was editing my Preferences and when clicking Preview to see what the other skins looked like, I didn't realize that it selected the skin I previewed, so when I scrolled down to change other preferences in Appearance, I clicked Save and now Modern isn't on the list of Skins anymore. I've been using this skin since 2010, maybe earlier, and it's the easiest on my eyes. How do I get it back?

Schizowallflower (talk) 08:41, 3 December 2021 (UTC) Schizowallflower (talk) 08:41, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

@Schizowallflower Welcome to Tea House! I am not 100% certain but I believe it's the "legacy vector" available here [8]. Otherwise ask at WP:VPT ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 08:46, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

@Schizowallflower: I'm afraid you've lost it for good – only four skins are maintained (to make life easier for developers) and Modern has been deprecated. Try out the current skins to see if any of them work well for you, and see the discussion at § 'Modern' not selectable any longer for background. @Shushugah: there are two versions of Vector available – the old ("legacy") one and the current/new one. ClaudineChionh (talk – contribs) 09:00, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

You are a lifesaver! I went to the Discussion you linked and through a couple tips from other users I was directed to an archived Preferences page that had Modern as a selectable option. Thank you.

Schizowallflower (talk) 09:13, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Oh, OK, good luck with that! As noted, the skin is no longer supported so it could disappear completely at any time, so don't get too attached. ClaudineChionh (talk – contribs) 09:15, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Changing an Article Title

Title change request

Hi there, currently I am working on the article stub entitled 'Australian Aboriginal Progress Association' and I came across a problem. After doing some research I noticed that the title of the organisation is actually 'Australian Aboriginal Progressive Association', rather than 'progress'. Could you confirm or deny this by any chance? As the sources I have found have led me to believe the title of the article is wrong and I was wondering if changing it is an option. Bwal6418 (talk) 11:27, 3 December 2021 (UTC)