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Old stuff to resolve eventually
Cueless billiards
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Categories are not my thing but do you think there are enough articles now or will be ever to make this necessary? Other than Finger billiards and possibly Carrom, what else is there?--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 11:12, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
Sad...How well forgotten some very well known people are. The more I read about Yank Adams, the more I realize he was world famous. Yet, he's almost completely unknown today and barely mentioned even in modern billiard texts.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:47, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
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Some more notes on Crystalate
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Some more notes: they bought Royal Worcester in 1983 and sold it the next year, keeping some of the electronics part.[3]; info about making records:[4]; the chair in 1989 was Lord Jenkin of Roding:[5]; "In 1880, crystalate balls made of nitrocellulose, camphor, and alcohol began to appear. In 1926, they were made obligatory by the Billiards Association and Control Council, the London-based governing body." Amazing Facts: The Indispensable Collection of True Life Facts and Feats. Richard B. Manchester - 1991wGtDHsgbtltnpBg&ct=result&id=v0m-h4YgKVYC&dq=%2BCrystalate; a website about crystalate and other materials used for billiard balls:No5 Balls.html. Fences&Windows 23:37, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
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No one has actually objected to the idea that it's really pointless for WP:SAL to contain any style information at all, other than in summary form and citing MOS:LIST, which is where all of WP:SAL's style advice should go, and SAL page should move back to WP:Stand-alone lists with a content guideline tag. Everyone who's commented for 7 months or so has been in favor of it. I'd say we have consensus to start doing it. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ɖ∘¿¤þ Contrib. 13:13, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
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You post at Wikipedia talk:FAQ/Copyright
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That page looks like a hinterland (you go back two users in the history and you're in August). Are you familiar with WP:MCQ? By the way, did you see my response on the balkline averages?--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:54, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
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Yeah, we did get along on Donkeys. And probably will get along on some other stuff again later. Best way to handle WP is to take it issue by issue and then let bygones be bygones. I'm finding some interesting debates over things like the line between a subspecies, a landrace and a breed. Just almost saw someone else's GA derailed over a "breed versus species" debate that was completely bogus, we just removed the word "adapt" and life would have been fine. I'd actually be interested in seeing actual scholarly articles that discuss these differences, particularly the landrace/breed issue in general, but in livestock in particular, and particularly as applied to truly feral/landrace populations (if, in livestock, there is such a thing, people inevitably will do a bit of culling, sorting and other interference these days). I'm willing to stick to my guns on the WPEQ naming issue, but AGF in all respects. Truce? Montanabw(talk) 22:40, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
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Redundant sentence?
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The sentence at MOS:LIFE "General names for groups or types of organisms are not capitalized except where they contain a proper name (oak, Bryde's whales, rove beetle, Van cat)" is a bit odd, since the capitalization would (now) be exactly the same if they were the names of individual species. Can it simply be removed? There is an issue, covered at Wikipedia:PLANTS#The use of botanical names as common names for plants, which may or may not be worth putting in the main MOS, namely cases where the same word is used as the scientific genus name and as the English name, when it should be de-capitalized. I think this is rare for animals, but more common for plants and fungi (although I have seen "tyrannosauruses" and similar uses of dinosaur names). Peter coxhead (talk) 09:17, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
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Note to self on WP:WikiProject English language
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Finish patching up WP:WikiProject English language with the stuff from User:SMcCandlish/WikiProject English Language, and otherwise get the ball rolling. — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 20:22, 17 August 2016 (UTC) |
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Somehow, I forget quite how, I came across this - that is an excellent summary of the distinctions. I often get confused over those, and your examples were very clear. Is something like that in the general MoS/citation documentation? Oh, and while I am here, what is the best way to format a citation to a page of a document where the pages are not numbered? All the guidance I have found says not to invent your own numbering by counting the pages (which makes sense), but I am wondering if I can use the 'numbering' used by the digitised form of the book. I'll point you to an example of what I mean: the 'book' in question is catalogued here (note that is volume 2) and the digitised version is accessed through a viewer, with an example of a 'page' being here, which the viewer calls page 116, but there are no numbers on the actual book pages (to confuse things further, if you switch between single-page and double-page view, funny things happen to the URLs, and if you create and click on a single-page URL the viewer seems to relocate you one page back for some reason). Carcharoth (talk) 19:10, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
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You had previously asked that protection be lowered on WP:MEDMOS which was not done at that time. I have just unprotected the page and so if you have routine update edits to make you should now be able to do so. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 06:42, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
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Ooh...potential WikiGnoming activity...
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I stumbled upon Category:Editnotices whose targets are redirects and there are ~100 pages whose pages have been moved, but the editnotices are still targeted to the redirect page. Seems like a great, and sort of fun, WikiGnoming activity for a template editor such as yourself. I'd do it, but I'm not a template editor. Not sure if that's really your thing, though. ;-) Cheers,
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Don't forget to deal with: Template talk:Cquote#Template-protected edit request on 19 April 2020. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 14:48, 20 April 2020 (UTC) |
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Not sure the ping went through, so noting here. Just spotted where a now-blocked user moved a bunch of animal breed articles back to parenthetical disambiguation from natural disambiguation. As they did it in October and I'm only catching it now, I only moved back two just in case there was some kind of consensus change. The equine ones are definitely against project consensus, the rest are not my wheelhouse but I'm glad to comment. Talk:Campine_chicken#Here_we_go_again. Montanabw(talk) 20:14, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
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McCandless surname page
Can you explain to me were you are getting your information from that McCandless is a name of Scottish origin? The first recorded instance of the surname McCandless I can find in the Scottish census records is from 1861. And it is one single instance. The name McCandless and its derivatives have been in use from 1000 years prior in Ireland. The only places I can find online that claims it to be a name of Scottish origin are the kinds of websites that sell Scottish tat and fake tartans and coats of arms to Americans. The earliest form of McCandless available in the Irish census records is from the 1831 census and there's 12 recorded instances, mostly from the Coleraine area. I'm descended from those McCandless's. With the earliest example of the name being an Irish abbot, how is it a name of Scottish origin? If anything, it was a name taken to Scotland with the movement of people between the kingdom of Dal Riada and onwards (and I still live in a place that was part of Dal Riada). I have found absolutely no evidence to confirm that the name is in anyway a name of Scottish origin. Its.bjallenby (talk) 12:18, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Its.bjallenby: This is a whole lot of stuff to cover. I'm going to break it down into numbered points.
- I don't consider the McCandless (surname) article to be "finished". It needs a lot of work on both Scottish and Irish sourcing (including sources mentioned below). That is mostly done in libraries (and genealogy libraries at that), not online. Most of the sources are not going to be found online. However, the fact that you can find weak sources online doesn't tell us anything about the strength of other sources, online or not, nor about the nature of the claim. Anyway, I will get to it over time, but have been working on the Ó Cuindlis article first.
- The main source for this sort of thing on the Scottish side is Black, George F. (1946). The Surnames of Scotland: Their Origin, Meaning, and History. New York Public Library. pp. 131, 464.. I uses much more than census records. The name, under numerous anglicized spellings, is common to at least as early as the 17th century in Wigtownshire and thereabouts. This was during the extended Plantation of Ulster, leading into the Lowland Clearances, and pre-dating the Jacobite Risings and the Highland Clearances, all of which are events that pushed Scots into Ulster (mostly what is now Northern Ireland).
- The exact spelling McCandless and close variants like McCandles, McCanless, McAndless are best regarded as Scots-Irish, i.e. as both Scottish and Northern Irish. We don't have any reason to think the Gaelic patronymic form wasn't in use throughout this whole area going back to Dál Riata (I think that's a point we agree on), since the given name dates back to at least the 8th century. However, we don't have any secondary sources making this point explicitly. The closest we get is Black saying that the Gaelic patronymic forms like mac Cuindlis and mac Cuindleas would have first been used in Ireland. Black's point doesn't in any way prove continual use of it in the exact McCandless form in Ireland. It's probable but not proven. It's also certain that McCandless in particular was re-imported to N. Ir. from Scotland, whether it had already been in use in N. Ir. or not.
- Aside: None of these "Mc" shenanigans appear to relate in any way to the history of Ó Cuindlis and its anglicized derivates (Conlisk, Cundlish, Quinlisk, etc.) in Connacht. After 30-odd years of researching this stuff I can't find a single shred of proof they are the same family. They're unrelated families that both had progenitors named Cuindles or some variant of it. (And for that matter, there's no proof all the McCandless, McCandlish, McAndless, McCanleis, etc., etc. families are directly related either; for all we know there might have been 5 or more Cuindlis fellows whose mac Cuindlis patronymic sons later gave rise to Mc[Something] surnames, but this isn't a discussion for Wikipedia.)
- The main sources on the Irish side for surname stuff are:
MacLysaght, Edward (1997) [1957]. The Surnames of Ireland (6th ed.). Dublin: Irish Academic Press. pp. 35, 36, 252.
Woulfe, Patrick (1922). Sloinnte Gaedheal is Gall – Irish Names and Surnames. Vol. II. Dublin: M. H. Gill & Son. pp. 68, 91, 93. (The 1923 edition would be better, but I have yet to get my hands on it.)
They both record the existence of McCandless in Ulster without any dating of it historically. By contrast, the history of Ó Cuindlis is well known to the 14th century. Neither source precludes McCandless having been largely imported to N. Ir. from Scotland (nor it having pre-existed in N. Ir.; we simply don't know). - To the extent you're trying to come up with an "origin theory" based on your own census-record digging, you are engaging in WP:Original research (as well as just repeating a fraction of research already done by Black, MacLysaght, and Woulfe). FWIW, my own theory is that the name was in use in both Scotland and Ireland in some overlapping anglicized forms like "McCandless" since anglicisation began, but it will take more research, and may just be unprovable. It's also pretty well-established by genealogy projects that many of the North American McCandlesses (the largest extant group of them) are from N. Ir. yet trace back further to Scotland, some in great detail. I'm skeptical these are good enough sources for WP, however, even those published in book form.
- Your 1831 is long after the Plantantion of Ulster and all those other events, so is not evidentiary of origin.
- You are mixing up old Gaelic patronymics and modern anglicised surnames. The statement "The name McCandless and its derivatives have been in use from 1000 years prior in Ireland" is just patently false. Gaelic patronymics like mac Cuindlis and dynastics like Ó Cuindlis have been in use throughout the Gaelic-speaking world for 1000+ years, inclucing Ireland, Scotland, and the Isle of Man. This tells us nothing about where and when particular anglicised spellings (which have only been around for a few hundred years, and which were often treated as interchangable for several centuries) arose, and what the relationships between them are.
- You are also mixing up personal and family names. The existence of the Gaelic given name Cuindles in Ireland since the 8th c. is meaningless in this discussion. All Gaelic names first arose in Ireland, by definition, since Gaelic spread from Ireland to Scotland and IoM, not the other way around. (Names unique to Scotland and unattested in Ireland are of Norse, Anglo-Saxon, or other origin and are not natively Gaelic.) This tells us nothing about when and where a particular anglicisation of a post-patronymics surname appeared.
- Coleraine doesn't even faintly surprise me. It's firmly within the area of the Plantion of Ulster, and is right on the cusp of early private colonisation efforts and subsequent official plantation, so it may well have been Scot-colonized twice back-to-back. That said, none of the major sources on surnames in Ireland say anything about Coleraine in particular, so you again appear to be engaging in original research. (It may well be entirely correct in finding a family cluster of McCandlesses in Coleraine, but reliable secondary sources are not telling us this.)
- In short, you are confusing "McCandless is a surname of Scotland and Northern Ireland" for a claim that "Cuindles is a name of Scottish origin", but those two claims have nothing in common, and the second cannot logically be derived from the first (and is not correct, while the first clearly is).
- — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 22:18, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
The existence of the name Cuindles in Ireland since the 8th century is highly relevant when "Mac Cuindleas" is derived from it. Monastery towns were population centres and abbots were marrying and having children during those times. Relatives and descendants of Cuindles would have used his and variations of his name. Clonmacnoise was just one of many large Monastery settlements across Ireland. Unless you've got a Scottish Cuindlis spiderman meme pointing at the Irish one, the name and all the derivatives of it, regardless of what you claim, with the evidence we do actually have is of Irish origin. But clearly I've pissed in a pot I shouldn't have and I really couldn't be bothered arguing the fucking toss about it. Its.bjallenby (talk) 22:44, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
- I've already addressed all this above. In short, we know that Cuindles and variants of this given name were used among Gaelic speakers since the 8th century. We also know that patronymics were used since before that time and up to the early modern era (throughout Gaeldom, including both Ireland and Scotland). And we also know that these were rather randomly anglicized over the last several hundred years and became non-patronymic surnames. We have no idea where the specific anglicization "McCandless" first appeared or when. We have reliable sources putting it in Ulster and in Scotland from the early modern period onward, and we have earlier data for Scotland than for N. Ir., plus what amounted to a long-term Scottish invasion of N. Ir. Our article doesn't even go into that, nor the fact that we actually have no evidence of "McCandless" as a specific spelling existing in Ireland at all until after the Plantation. Rather than go in circles with you again, I'm going to just address the elephant in the room: you're clearly bothered by Scotland being mentioned at the article at all, yet Black (1946) establishes that it's correct, just as MacLysaght and Woulfe show it also correct for N. Ir. The matter has simply been sourced beyond anyone's ability to sweep Scotland under the rug or otherwise engage in a false dichtomy. The article itself needs all these sources directly in it, and I'll get to it when I'm done with Ó Cuindlis. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 23:24, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
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Kelly Zhang
Hi SMcCandlish, hope you've been well since we last spoke. I've created a userspace draft for Kelly Zhang, the CEO of ByteDance China, and was hoping you could take a look and move the draft to mainspace if it looks ready to you. I'm fairly certain she passes WP:GNG, and I avoided using promotional language, but just to be safe, I would rather an uninvolved editor like you be the one performing the move. Thank you! JatBD (talk) 21:51, 1 February 2022 (UTC)