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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 21 February 2023

I am writing this request to edit the part of Pakistan movement and Pakistan's independence because some of the things over there seem to be quite misleading. Azeem sher e Pak (talk) 18:24, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone may add them for you. Kautilya3 (talk) 18:28, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Questionable deletion of content

Uzek deleted the following fragment, claiming "Which is why I said "not what the source says". Read the source":

In December 2018, Pakistan's government defended China's re-education camps for a million Uyghur Muslims.[1][2]

References

  1. ^ "Why Muslim nations remain silent as China sends ethnic minorities to re-education camps". ABC News. 23 December 2018.
  2. ^ "Detention camps: Why Pakistan is silent about plight of fellow muslims in China". The Times of India. 23 December 2018.

The first source says:

Pakistan has gone even further by defending China, saying the reporting on the Uyghurs' situation has been "sensationalised" by Western media.

And the second source:

A day before Indonesian protests, Pakistan defended China against a growing outcry over Muslims who are being detained by Chinese authorities, saying the issue was being "sensationalised" by foreign media.

Can User:Uzek explain what he means by "not what the source says"? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 08:18, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

When I read "Pakistan defended concentration camps" I was expecting literal defending/agreeing with the concentration camps not denying they exist or complaining about "sensationalization of the issue by foreign media" by God knows which person. This looks like fake news to begin with or an attempt at WP: SYNTHESIS Uzek (talk) 10:13, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

User:Kautilya3 Why did you restore exactly the same looking sentence with the same meaning with a misleading edit summary of a "clarified" version without engaging here first?

Do you understand what defending something means ? Uzek (talk) 14:12, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Also another thing, WHY are you leaving MISLEADING EDIT SUMMARIES + warning messages on my talk page about "SEVERAL REVERTS" (I only reverted one edit) when it is you who is edit warring? lol 

Uzek (talk) 14:26, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The sentence doesn't need to be added into a country article anyway per WP:NOTNEWS. Oriental Aristocrat (talk) 07:14, 26 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Junagadh and Manavadar

Junagadh and Manavadar are claimed by Pakistan since 1947, you can find it on the official website of Pakistan (official map of Pakistan) no idea who but someone is trying to change it. 39.37.152.55 (talk) 20:04, 6 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Secularism

Is Pakistan a Secular country or Islamic country?

Doesn't article 20, 21, 22, 25 makes Pakistan a Secular country which deals with human rights, freedom and Equality. Doesn't it necessary to mention those in religion section of this page.

The main principles of Secularism in the Constitution of Pakistan were incorporated in its Human rights in Pakistan/fundamental rights which were granted under various articles of 20, 21, 22 & 25 of the constitution. "Fundamental Rights in Pakistan – PHRO". -

(a) Article 20 : Freedom to profess religion and to manage religious institutions."Article 20 freedom to profess religion and to manage religious institutions – the Constitution of Pakistan, 1973 Developed by Zain Sheikh | Fake Rolex Replica Watches, Advocates & Corporate Consultants".

(b) Article 21 : Safeguard against taxation for purposes of any particular religion.Pakistan Laws on Human Rights - Humanitarian Library

(c) Article 22 : Safeguards as to educational institutions in respect of religion, etc."Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan 1973 - Part II". www.commonlii.org.

(d) Article 25 : Equality of citizens."Article: 25 Equality of citizens – the Constitution of Pakistan, 1973 Developed by Zain Sheikh | Fake Rolex Replica Watches, Advocates & Corporate Consultants".

@Worldbruce:, @Meghmollar2017: What's your opinion regarding this ? Pitush Puttar (talk) 17:46, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Furthermore, Pakistan didn't adopt Islamic Sharia laws in its constitution. It's constitution still have British Legacies.

@Meghmollar2017: Isn't it MOS; as it's putting "Islamic" sentiment first in the religious article of this page? Pitush Puttar (talk) 17:52, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The constitution is a primary source. Analyzing, evaluating, and interpreting whether various articles of it mean that Pakistan is secular or Islamic is not allowed on Wikipedia. Secondary sources, preferably recent books by scholars published by academic presses, are required in order to answer the question. --Worldbruce (talk) 18:13, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 13 March 2023

I would like to add the Mongols in this list as clearly Pakistan was part of the Mongol empire.

Pakistan was the realm of multiple empires and dynasties, including the Achaemenid; briefly that of Alexander the Great; the Seleucid, the Maurya, the Kushan, the Gupta;[20] the Umayyad Caliphate in its southern regions, the Hindu Shahis, the Ghaznavids, the Delhi Sultanate, the Mughals,[21] the Durranis, the Omani Empire, the Sikh Empire, British East India Company rule, and most recently, the British Raj from 1858 to 1947. 2603:8000:2C41:C000:4909:4BD2:AED5:9461 (talk) 06:44, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done It is not clear what list you are referring to and you haven't provided any sources. --RegentsPark (comment) 07:03, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Census 2023

The 2023 census would be announced on 30 April 2023 so yes big changes, etc. 182.179.173.82 (talk) 15:45, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 23 March 2023

There is no evidence for the quote from Rahmat Ali in the explanation of the name on the main page. It does not appear anywhere in Now or Never. I think we should replace it with the following, which actually comes from Now Or Never:

"I am enclosing herewith an appeal on behalf of the thirty million Muslims of PAKISTAN, who live in the five Northern Units of India--Punjab, North-West Frontier (Afghan) Province, Kashmir, Sind, and Baluchistan. It embodies their demand for the recognition of their national status, as distinct from the other inhabitants of India, by the grant to Pakistan of a separate Federal Constitution on religious, social and historical grounds." Scarsdale.vibe (talk) 22:58, 23 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

PAKISTAN is indeed an acronym coined by Rahmat Ali. [1] Solblaze (talk) 07:41, 24 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit extended-protected}} template. Actualcpscm (talk) 12:03, 26 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "Pakistan - History | Britannica". www.britannica.com. Retrieved 2023-03-24. Rahmat Ali and three Cambridge colleagues coined the name as an acronym for Punjab, Afghania (North-West Frontier Province), Kashmir, and Indus-Sind, combined with the -stan suffix from Baluchistan (Balochistan). It was later pointed out that, when translated from Urdu, Pakistan could also mean "Land of the Pure."

Repeated Information

The explanation of Urdu being the 'lingua franca' of Pakistan's languages, has been mentioned twice in identical fashion. The bottom paragraph of "Demographics" & also immediately underneath in the first paragraph of Ethnicity and languages. I am unable to edit this myself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nix D (talk • contribs) 14:34, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 4 April 2023

46.184.88.124 (talk) 05:04, 4 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Tollens (talk) 05:57, 4 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 4 April 2023 (2)

I think that the provincial languages section should be removed as it minimizes the presence of other languages in their respective provinces, e.g. Khowar in KPK, Hindko in KPK, Brahui in Balochistan. Also, Gilgit-Baltistan and Azad Jammu and Kashmir are technically not provinces but have their own languages that should be recognized. Only including Pashto, Punjabi, and Sindhi in the info-box disregards the dozens of other languages spoken in Pakistan. And, Balochi isn't even included in the list for some reason...Swordfish31 (talk) 07:21, 4 April 2023 (UTC) Swordfish31 (talk) 07:21, 4 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: contents are leading spoken languages as otherwise seen at Languages of Pakistan. Iseult Δx parlez moi 22:42, 5 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The heading for the "contents" reads "provincial languages", not "leading spoken languages". If "provincial languages" are going to be included (which I do not think is an official term in the census of Pakistan) then Balochi must be included, as it would be the provincial language of Balochistan. Swordfish31 (talk) 02:56, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. I do agree that the provincial languages section should be removed as it isn't that important on the main page because the languages are adopted by Provincial Legislatures for their respective provinces and not by the Central Parliament of Pakistan or the Government or the Constitution. So, it makes it a bit off with the context. Historianist01 (talk) 13:05, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 6 April 2023

Gucciii armanii (talk) 12:50, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Change report

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 12:55, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Paleolithic

@Sutyarashi: You are adding back this edit without consensus.

Can you show some quality reliable sources which are detailing history of Pakistan and also mentioning Soanian culture? Having a paleolithic culture is not a big deal and they are found in many places. Aman Kumar Goel (Talk) 01:35, 8 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

All sources discussing stone age of the region mention it.[1][2] As its type site is in Soan valley, it can be included. Sutyarashi (talk) 06:00, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I asked for "quality reliable sources which are detailing history of Pakistan and also mentioning Soanian culture". First source is specifically about paleolithic settlements in Asia, while second source is self-published and unreliable. Aman Kumar Goel (Talk) 06:50, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Not as an "Ancient culture", but if it is added that Pakistan has been inhabited since the Paleolithic period (just like main articles on all other countries), I believe there should not be any problem with it. Sutyarashi (talk) 16:41, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It is not a big deal to be "inhabited since Paleolithic period". It would need mention only if Paleolithic culture is actually relevant to the history of Pakistan but like I said, it will be decided by the quality reliable sources which are detailing history of Pakistan and making description of this Paleolithic culture. Aman Kumar Goel (Talk) 04:08, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
How can you say it is not relevant to the history of Pakistan when the Soanian culture's sites have been found across Pakistan and is named after the Soan Valley? Swordfish31 (talk) 02:32, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Here: A Brief History of Pakistan. P.13 mentions Soanians (and pre-Soanians). Iskandar323 (talk) 12:08, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That provides description of, like I said, what was "inhabited since Paleolithic period". That is not a big deal. Infoboase Publishing is not reliable anyway.
It talks about "Roots of Civilization" in the next page but it does not mention Soanian culture at all there. Aman Kumar Goel (Talk) 05:08, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Any unreliability here appears to be your opinion. The sourcing stands. One WP:RSN discussion with bare minimum input and not close is not very informative. And there are others. But more generally, you are clearly only attacking the publisher of the valid source that has been provided because you do not like the contents. Iskandar323 (talk) 07:36, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No, there was a discussion which I have linked. I also stated that the source (even if it was reliable) still fails to satisfy the requirement. See Britannica page on Pakistan for a name. It mentions Indus valley civilization but not Soanian culture. As for what I "do not like", see WP:AGF. Aman Kumar Goel (Talk) 12:10, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
There is no local consensus here for ignoring an Infobase Publishing work - if you want to challenge that work's usage here you need to take it up at WP:RSN, not rely on 2011 threads. Iskandar323 (talk) 15:34, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The source is not usable anyway because it does not substantiate information about Sonian culture as it substantiates Indus valley civilization with regards to Pakistan. I have started thread on WP:RSN about Infobase publishing. Aman Kumar Goel (Talk) 16:08, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 14 April 2023 (2)

PAKISTANS POPULATION 250 MILLION Mustaqim raja (talk) 22:57, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 23:07, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sattar Alvi in Military History - Proposed Change

Hey, I propose we change the "In the 1973 war, one of the PAF pilots, Flt. Lt. Sattar Alvi (flying a MiG-21), shot down an Israeli Air Force Mirage and was honoured by the Syrian government." To "According to modern Pakistani sources, in 1974, one of the PAF pilots, Flt. Lt. Sattar Alvi (flying a MiG-21), shot down an Israeli Air Force Mirage, killing the pilot, Captain M. Lutz. For this action, Alvi was honoured by the Syrian government. However, no major sources from the time reported on such an incident, and there is no mention of "Captain Lutz" in Israel's Ministry of Defense's record of Israel's casualties of war." This is in accordance to what is written in the Sattar Alvi article itself, where there are sources to back up the contrasting claims. Lainad27 (talk) 02:20, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Aman.kumar.goel, @نعم البدل, @Sutyarashi. What do you think? Lainad27 (talk) 02:19, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes that sounds accurate. Aman Kumar Goel (Talk) 08:12, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose any changes. This much detail is undue in a country article. Oriental Aristocrat (talk) 12:06, 23 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Would you suggest just deleting the mention of the pilot? or maybe just add to the current version "There is disagreement over the authenticity of this story."? The side that thinks differently needs to get a representation. Lainad27 (talk) 05:47, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Lainad27 I agree with adding clarification for this statement. Sutyarashi (talk) 23:53, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Oriental Aristocrat what do you think? Lainad27 (talk) 08:05, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
As Pakistan's role in the Yom Kippur War is already mentioned in an earlier sentence, I would rather agree to removing the mention of the pilot than add TOOMUCH detail. Oriental Aristocrat (talk) 08:40, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Balochi must be added as a provincial language in the infobox

Balochi is the provincial language of Balochistan and should be included in the provincial languages. I don't know why it was excluded. Swordfish31 (talk) 02:26, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

National Slogan

I live in Pakistan, the slogan most commonly used is " Pakistan zindabad" which means "Long Live Pakistan" it should be added as the national slogan 202.69.43.2 (talk) 05:01, 10 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 10 May 2023

Pakistan officially republic of Pakistan,country in Southasia. 103.134.3.78 (talk) 20:36, 10 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: 'Islamic Republic of Pakistan' is correct, as it is what appears in all government documents. Tollens (talk) 20:46, 10 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Census 2023

Pakistan population 246500000 punjab province 121215805 Sindh province 56566804 khyber Pukhtunkhwa province 39651697 Balochistan Province 20865000 39.33.241.107 (talk) 18:22, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please provide source. Rasnaboy (talk) 05:05, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Current events

Can someone add a box current event to this page, as there are major clashes going on, media is talking about a civil war. 109.131.60.100 (talk) 16:28, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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