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It has been selected, so please help to improve it in any way you can. --Scott Davis Talk 14:39, 10 December 2006 (UTC) Electoral district of Thuringowa just can't win with you....every website states that Thuringowa is its own Electoral district as is Townsville, every site except that ABC site and this is a story from a reporter, wouldn't it be more accurate to cite this info from all the government and electoral sites that show and say that both Townsville and Thuringowa are separate electoral districts...can we please not have a repeat of what happened before this is getting silly and it looks like your just trying to irritate me, but you have to admit that the facts are in the refs on this page, they all say Thuringowa is the Electoral district and none of them say anything about it being a Townsville based Electoral district except for the one from a reporter from a TV station. this is not the best ref to use and I feel that it doesn't really need to be here as all the other ref's give enough info. would love to here yours and anyone else's reply Thuringowacityrep 11:10, 15 December 2006 (UTC) mate why don't you do as i asked and leave it on here for a while and see if anyone else has a problem with it ...it looks like you are the only one that has the prob the page is about Thuringowa's electoral district s othere is no need to have all the other points about Townsville and the same goes for the Townsville district page there is no need for Thuringowa the page is not about the location and how close it is to Townsville its about the Thuringowa electoral district your just being stupid about this know and we have NOT discussed this you just told me you didn't want to talk about this i will change it back and i would like it left like that for at least a week and if nobody else changes it then it should stay isn't that fair....i think so Thuringowacityrep 10:51, 20 December 2006 (UTC) Townsville less POV Hi Alec. Welcome to Wikipedia. I felt that the original wording seemed to suggest that Townsville was disadvantaged by having 'only' one Senator out of 12 ("the only one based in Townsville"). In reality, Queensland is a large place with many cities, so it's not unreasonable that they would be spread around a little bit. I felt that my change still made it obvious that he was the only one but stated the fact in a slightly more neutral way. I didn't think that it was overly POV and thought twice about it before changing it so please don't be too concerned about it. I've made my share of edits that people have later changed to be less POV. It all makes for a better encyclopedia. Have fun editing. -- Adz|talk 12:45, 20 December 2006 (UTC) I dropped the Liberal Party bit just to make it less wordy as I figured that people could click on the wikilink to find out which party he was from. Perhaps it should read: " Senator Ian Macdonald, if the Liberal Party is one of twelve Australian Senators elected from Queensland and is based in Townsville." I'm not sure. At the moment I'm trying to come up to speed on the Thuringowa debate. I've been away for a few weeks and haven't been keeping an eye on what's been going on. -- Adz|talk 13:11, 20 December 2006 (UTC) mate now you are going over the top by saying "Hi Thuringowacityrep, your attempt at Sock puppetry at [4] is pretty obvious" now i have had it and i will be taking this to a higher level sorry it had to come to this Thuringowacityrep 00:23, 21 December 2006 (UTC) why don't you take out the suburbs of Thuringowa from the Townsville page seeing as this page it all about Townsville, that would have been a better idea but i will leave it up to you because you know better than me i've only been on here for 3 years and i need help for all the new users on here (and no this is NOT a personal attack) Thuringowacityrep 12:56, 21 December 2006 (UTC) That's funny Thuringowacityrep, I thought Townsvillerocks wasn't you... so why do you care? Alec 13:11, 21 December 2006 (UTC) Townsville City Council Thanks, Alec mcc. I think SauliH has already fixed the logo. I must admit I was a bit apprehensive editing any of the Townsville articles for fear of attracting the single minded zealots of the world. Keep up the good work and don't get disheartened.-- Mattinbgn 21:26, 21 December 2006 (UTC) LGAs Hi Alec. I hope you don't mind but I added a little bit to what you wrote at WP:AWNB and at WikiProject Aust places to try to focus the discussion a bit. I hope you agree with what I wrote. If not, please feel free to correct me and guide the discussion to where you feel it needs to go. I've also suggested that the conversation be moved to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Australian places as I think it concerns LGAs across the country, not just Townsville or Qld. Hope that's okay. Thanks for trying to find a constructive solution. Good work. Adz|talk 12:47, 28 December 2006 (UTC) Your edits to Townsville, Queensland Thank you for contributing to Wikipedia, Alec mcc! However, your edit here was reverted by an automated bot that attempts to remove spam from Wikipedia. If you were trying to insert a good link, please accept my creator's apologies, and try to reinsert the link again. If your link was genuine spam, please note that inserting spam into Wikipedia is against policy. For more information about me, see my FAQ page. Thanks! Shadowbot 04:47, 29 December 2006 (UTC) Suburbs Template Hi Alec. I had a look at the template and i think that it is great, definetly something that should be used on the Townsville pages. Cheers -- Gertzy 30th of December, 2006: 13:10 (UTC). hi mate.. it looks good im very happy the only thing i might change is at the top you have Townsville/Thuringowa but it may look better as Townsville and Thuringowa ...but it is ok the way you have it so i will leave it up to you. thanks for asking me for my thoughts Thuringowacityrep 11:04, 1 January 2007 (UTC) hi mate what you have done is ok the only reason i said Townsville and Thuringowa was becasue of how it is writen in the list ...it has urban areas of Townsville and Thuringowa etc but the way you have it is fine it shows the suburbs of both Townsville and Thuringowa so it is doing it's job. great work Thuringowacityrep 02:33, 2 January 2007 (UTC) Happy New Year just a quick Happy New Year mate and i hope that there is no hard feelings about our discussions and hope to start fresh in 07 Thuringowacityrep 09:30, 31 December 2006 (UTC) Townsville (disambiguation) hi mate do you think that Thuringowa should be added to this page? my thoughts are it should be as Thuringowa is offen called Townsville. can you let me know your Thoughts please so i can add it it you think it will be ok thanks Thuringowacityrep 06:42, 3 January 2007 (UTC) Shopping in Townsville I think your edits are a big improvement. its not speculation because it presents reported facts rather than saying 'a department store might open sometime in the future'. It presents evidence that the department stores are considering their options. its then up to the readers to draw their own conclusions. I'm going to take the liberty of moving some of the words around a bit. I hope you don't mind. Rather than saying that 'it is widely accepted', it might be better to say that a survey indicated that people thought the shopping experiece was reduced. ... could you please check my changes to see if they reflect what the survey actually found. Thanks. -- Adz|talk 07:13, 16 January 2007 (UTC) List of medical facilities in Townsville hi mate just seen your new article and was wanting to know if you plan to list Thuringowa in it, seeing as you list the Kirwan health campus on it and this is in Thuringowa, I ask because I am working on a few new articles to add the Thuringowa page and it will look funny when my articles says that the Kirwan health campus is in Thuringowa and your page says Townsville also I will be adding all the Medical centre's in Thuringowa to the Thuringowa page this might be something you can add to the Townsville page thanks Thuringowacityrep 08:25, 20 January 2007 (UTC) no probs mate if i have any info that would suit your articles i will add it and you would be welcome to edit it as you wish i dont want to go back to how it was before it was not fun so i hope we are still cool thanks again and keep up the great work Thuringowacityrep 08:51, 20 January 2007 (UTC) thanks again mate i got the info about Thuringowa getting a new hospital from a email from Les i am waiting for some more info on this so i can add a ref but i will make a change so it isn't misleading thanks Thuringowacityrep 08:21, 21 January 2007 (UTC) Palm Is Thanks for the message. I created a series of stubs some time ago and got ticked off for writing so little. The Palm Is stub has grown well and I am gratified. Thortful 08:42, 22 January 2007 (UTC) I will drop in and help out where I can. Gotta get over negative feelings about the press first! You might have missed my connection to mulesing - interest in rural subject matter and was sick of seeing that article hijacked by alternating POV's. Will attempt to contribute to this ACOTF as much as the last one though. Hopefully this article can move as far forward as Mulesing did! Garrie 21:00, 22 January 2007 (UTC) Alec, thank you for the invitation to the project. I won't be able to contribute more, as the article is far beyond anything I ever knew about Palm Is.! I would suggest that the article would benefit from a map to indicate roughly where it is in relation to the rest of Australia. Regards, PKT 22:58, 28 January 2007 (UTC) Paluma thanks mate after i had made the article i seen that i forgot to add the QLD part but i have looked around and the only other Paluma is a war ship but that has HMAS (i think) in front of it i might add the suburbs templet but will see how it looks on the page and i may put it on at a later date thanks again Thuringowacityrep 10:17, 22 January 2007 (UTC) Townsville/Thuringowa Suburbs infobox Hi Alec, I have had a bit of a play with the Townsville/Thuringowa suburbs infobox in my Sandbox. As you can see I have done many similar ones for other LGAs. Let me know what you think and if you are happy I will move it over to replace the existing one.--Mattinbgn 01:38, 23 January 2007 (UTC) I decided to follow WP:BOLD and make the change to the infobox. I see there is a Townsville wikiproject and that may have been the place I should have taken discussion on my proposed changes to the infobox. Once again, if you or other members of the project are unhappy with it, revert it back. Well done on the Townsville, Queensland article. It looks great.--Mattinbgn 06:13, 23 January 2007 (UTC) Good point on the LGA headings. You think I would have realised that seeing I have just added Palm Island Shire Council to the LGAs of Queenland nav box!!--Mattinbgn 06:46, 23 January 2007 (UTC) Townsville-stub Hi - it has come to our notice that you have recently created a new stub type. As it clearly states at WP:STUB, at the top of most stub categories, on the template page for new Wikiprojects and in many other places on Wikipedia, new stub types should be proposed prior to creation at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals, in order to check whether the new stub type is already covered by existing stub types, whether it is named according to stub naming guidelines, whether it reaches the standard threshold for creation of a new stub type, whether it crosses existing stub type hierarchies, and whether better use could be made of a WikiProject-specific talk page template. In the case of your new stub type, it is already covered by existing stub types, does not reach the standard threshold for creation of a new stub type, and is very vaguely worded as to its actual catchment. Furthermore, it is usually only very large cities which are viable enough for their own stub type (in Australia, only the state capitals have them) - other areas are usually split by county or other official subregional division. Your new stub type is currently listed at WP:WSS/D - please feel free to make any comments there as to any reason why this stub type should not be proposed for deletion at WP:SFD. And please, in future, propose new stub types first! Grutness...wha? 03:13, 23 January 2007 (UTC) S'alright... and "illegal" isn't really right - "highly discouraged" is closer to it. Look at it from the stub sorters' point of view. If every city of 200,000 people around the world got its own stub, we'd have thousands more stub types than we already do. I do think that a talk page template would be far more use to you, though, especially if your wikiproject is still small. Have a look at the templates at the top of Talk:Penny Lane, Talk:Dunedin and Talk:Grahame_Sydney to get some idea of the sort of things I mean. That way you can rate all the articles relating to Townsville, not just ones which are stubs. Grutness...wha? 03:31, 23 January 2007 (UTC) I've deleted it (you have to be an admin to do that part). Thanks for being understanding about it! The wikiproject page looks good BTW. As far as the talk page template's concerned, they're not the easiest types of template to make, but if the Australia Wikiproject has one then you can probably get someone from there to help out with the details if you run into problems. Good luck with the project! Grutness...wha? 06:55, 23 January 2007 (UTC) Just spotted this conv - hope you don't mind me butting in :) If you're interested in getting a Wikiproject going for North Queensland (under the WP Australia banner), and can get some editors together, we at the WA project would be happy to help you set one up - we've already done so for Victoria and Tasmania. There seems to be enough activity up there to justify one. Orderinchaos78 08:45, 2 February 2007 (UTC) suggestion on my talk page Hey there. Personally I haven't had much trouble finding online news sources for Palm Island, I have back-referenced a fair bit of the 2004 riot and death-in-custody controversy section. Copyright is something to be very careful of. If you were to do it for one or two articles in your own user space, for a definate period of time, then that's one thing... personally I think you're better off saving to pc the relevant text. By all means, keep adding lists of online refs to talk pages. They are useful things in a lot of ways. But my verdict is, keep the copyright material on the host website. The other thing to bear in mind is, if you do what you are suggesting it may be quite difficult for other editors to correctly source the material they are using. ie if you copy the text but leave off ... the orig website, url, publisher, published date, authors name - then it is no longer verifiable information. Don't over-estimate the number of ppl that will / are working on the article while it is ACOTF, either ;).Garrie 04:32, 24 January 2007 (UTC) My thoughts are generally in line with Garrie's. Copyright is very tricky and it is best to err on the side of caution on these matters. The list of references provided are very useful and will continiue to be after the ACOTF is over.--Mattinbgn 05:15, 24 January 2007 (UTC) Regards providing an URL - I have seen the same done in the past. Reference is to the paper-based publication (publisher, location, date/issue number etc) but a URL is provided - just if you try to access the URL you need to log in. There is no problem in providing such a URL - any subscriber can verify the validity. It's like referring to a show that's on cable TV, or a book that's only held in the Parlimentary Library in Canberra / Brisbane - just because it's not easy to verify, doesn't mean the information isn't useful to someone trying to verify the info. But if you're putting the URL, make sure you include the access date.Garrie 22:06, 24 January 2007 (UTC) See also - Wikipedia talk:Citing sources#Subscription sites - basically, what I said.Garrie 22:34, 24 January 2007 (UTC) Parliamentary Select Committee From this ABC news report I dropped a section on your sandbox. This committee lead to the resource officer's report, which is going to guide the actions of police, education, health and the shire council for a few years yet I would suggest, so they are well worth mentioning. Too many edit conflicts with working directly on the article... Be careful to integrate your sandbox into the article. It would really mess things up if it is not done carefully. It will be a shame that you will lose edit history. So it would be best to do on a section by section basis with decent editing remarks not like some of the ones which currently don't give any indication of what is being done. Anyway, today is my wedding anniversary (11 years I think?) so I need to go buy something for my other half... I won't be doing much on this till next Thursday, I'm taking a few days off until my oldest daughter starts school next Wednesday. Hope it all goes peacefully.Garrie 04:20, 25 January 2007 (UTC) Palm Island map Hello, it's not that great, but it's better than nothing: cheers, pfctdayelise (talk) 12:19, 29 January 2007 (UTC) Actually I just put a red box around a bunch of islands near each other. :) If you can link me to some proper definitions I can do something more accurate. pfctdayelise (talk) 12:56, 29 January 2007 (UTC) No worries, I'm going to do a labelled version of this too, which has Magnetic Island. I had to fix a couple after I found an actual definition of the Palm Islands, hopefully they are correct now. pfctdayelise (talk) 13:31, 29 January 2007 (UTC) Try putting <br clear="all"\> after the images. or put them in a table: {| |- |width="50%"|[[image:foo.jpg|thumb|caption]] |[[image:foo2.jpg|thumb|caption]] |- |} That should work... --pfctdayelise (talk) 12:11, 3 February 2007 (UTC) Palm Island Aboriginal Shire Council and 2004 death in custody Hi Alec mcc, there is this link which I guess you have seen. Palm Island is one of many aboriginal councils becoming shire councils. I did see a list somewhere with Palm Island on it but I can't put my finger on it at present. I will have a good look later.--Mattinbgn 13:04, 31 January 2007 (UTC) Thanks. It was really only a cut and paste job but it is amazing what some subheadings can do to make an article easier to read. Do we add the ACOTF tag to these two articles?--Mattinbgn/ talk 06:46, 1 February 2007 (UTC) Thanks for noticing Yeah, it was nice (quite but nice)... More importantly to the whole family, my daughters first school day was also excellent. Palm Island seems to be coming along, a bit of returning to old format, the riot section needs summarising, but at least it changed in the time I was away!Garrie 05:29, 1 February 2007 (UTC) Wikiproject vs stubs You'd be well advised to read the debate at this link. As for setting one up - I think the Victorian one has 4 people, but it means that they can find and classify their articles easily and distinguish them from Melbourne ones in a definitive way. (reading more carefully - it's been 40°C and 50% humidity here - not typical Perth weather!) Ah I see your point. What might be needed is simply to expand the scope and rename WPT to WPNQ as we did with Hobart -> Tasmania. Orderinchaos78 09:14, 2 February 2007 (UTC) Vandalism on A few Pages Thanks Alec for reverting some of the vandalism that was placed on both the Townsville International Airport, and Bushland Beach, Queensland pages on Friday, just to let you know, if you track the history, that comment by User:romance is dead was actually directed at me, and just to let you know, there are a few people that have user names, including User:romance is dead that are from my school, which is Ignatius Park College, i'll post a full list of them soon. -- Gertzy 11:52 UTC, 3rd Febuary, 2007. Palm Island Thanks for reminding me to have another pass through the ACOTF. I was trying to tidy up the last sections which are "picture heavy", and ran into the same issue as you have done with the extra satellite image, the refs are now pushed into a thin column down the centre of the page! (Have a look at the one I reverted back to myself and you'll see a similar issue, there's just too many pics) I'll try and spread the pictures through the article if you don't get to it first. --Steve (Slf67) talk 07:43, 4 February 2007 (UTC) ACOTF I would just like to say well done for your work and enthusiasm while the Palm Island, Queensland article was ACOTF. The article has been improved out of sight. Cheers, Mattinbgn/ talk 11:26, 4 February 2007 (UTC) Yes, well done indeed --Steve (Slf67) talk 11:34, 4 February 2007 (UTC) Go for GA. There's nothing anyone can think of adding in the Australian community after two weeks. If nothing else a fresh set of eyes and a good review will help --Steve (Slf67) talk 11:46, 4 February 2007 (UTC) Personally, I don't think it is quite at GA standard just yet (mind you, I have never taken an article there myself although a few of us are working on one that I don't think is far away from having a go). The ACOTF process has added plenty of content but I think it needs a good edit to tighten up some of the sections and improve the readability. It probably needs some work adding some needed references as well. But Steve is right, the GA process will get some outside people to provide fresh ideas and is worth a shot.--Mattinbgn/ talk 12:03, 4 February 2007 (UTC) Thuringowacityrep's AMA case Hi Alec, Thanks for responding to my talk page. I replied to your message to Thuringowacityrep's talk page. Best, Ameriquedialectics 21:17, 6 February 2007 (UTC) hi Alec sorry about the Townsville City Council survey and the bully one I wasn't sure of the figures ...thanks for clearing that up...don't go by my edit history I will make the very small changes I feel are needed and in no way will it affect the high quality of your work, and you know that you can edit the Thuringowa page if you feel it needed something done on it as you can on any of my pages as long as it isn't misleading, false , POV or running down Thuringowa because I wont be doing that to the pages I edit, any how you have a good day tomorrow hope it not to wet for you and will talk again later oh I wont be making any edits yet Thuringowacityrep 13:38, 7 February 2007 (UTC) hi mate i have made some edits today, when you get a chance would you have a look and see if the edits i have done are along the lines of what was said in the discussion. thanks Thuringowacityrep 08:31, 8 February 2007 (UTC) Tony Jones Where? Lateline? Timeshift 05:38, 7 February 2007 (UTC) I like to think that people, both important and unimportant read what I add and contribute to various election articles, it's good to feel like you're personally making a wide audience informed :D In regards to lateline, it appears the VOD section of the ABC News site still has the last episode of last year :( Timeshift 06:01, 7 February 2007 (UTC) PalmIsland hi and thanks for the edits to teh Palm Island article. I took a lot of the photos when I was there so sorry for it being image heavy. Yes the Bwgcolman people sub article fits the bill. I started with Palm Island as I worked there and then added every single island forth of palm island to PNG. Hey I know I ave too much time. Anyway next project is updating solomon islands as thats where I am now. let me know if I can help, Peter —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Phenss (talk • contribs) 11:03, 8 February 2007 (UTC).--Phenss 11:06, 8 February 2007 (UTC) Hi :) The article's coming along very well indeed. With that one interview though, it would seem it would justify one or at most two sentences - it is after all one man's opinion, who lives at the other end of Queensland. If the man had have been a community leader at Palm Island, I'd say include almost all of it. Orderinchaos78 22:48, 15 February 2007 (UTC) That's the part I'd definitely aim to keep. My point was not about content so much as conciseness. I might have a look at it if I have time today. Orderinchaos78 23:07, 15 February 2007 (UTC) You've always got the option of self-reverting if it hasn't yet been seen (up to you of course). Your points though re Mulrunji are correct and the article you've made for him looks great to me. Orderinchaos78 14:43, 21 February 2007 (UTC) reference change Townsville/Thuringowa hi sorry about changing a reference from "Townsville/Thuringowa" to "Townsville, Thuringowa" as I thought that is what I was told to do by Amerique so yes I "know damn well" that all these titles describing Townsville and Thuringowa are under dispute, I was on the understanding that yourself and Amerique where going to have a look at the edits I do and put in your views (like you did on my talk page) as for The Express I feel that it does warrant mentioning as it is a business promotional publication like you said but it does have news stories about new business's etc and lifestyle articles like Plan you Wedding, around the House and garden as so on. I did some checking before I added it and was told that journalists do some interviews, I added it due to the fact that it contains info that the residents of the 2 cities would need to know ( I have found info in here on shops that I didn't know about) if you like you can re-word it and thank you for your views and im glad you liked the info about the sun. thanks again Thuringowacityrep 06:39, 15 February 2007 (UTC) here we go again....--------------------- the info came from the Express, here is the phone number 47888188 so you can give them a call to see if I am full of shit or not( a young Male answered the phone, i called about 3 weeks ago), I don't get all my info from the Thuringowa mayor like you say I do I know a lot more people than him. and for your info the Mayor IS a primary source of info for Thuringowa as is the Thuringowa Website, im sorry I tried to improve your article. You say "info about shops are not 'need to know' journalism, it's fluff" that your POV and I thought you didn't like POV's plus I never make edits based on secondary sources that's you POV again. I will remove it now for you as it is a Thuringowa business anyway so I guess it doesn't belong on a Townsville article Thuringowacityrep 07:11, 15 February 2007 (UTC) - ------------- when you say "just because a minor fact gives you the opportunity to insert the name Thuringowa two or three times into an article does not make it worthy of mentioning." this is the ------------- I have ever heard....the fact that Thuringowa can be mentioned has nothing to do with it like I said it was a paper that I thought was large enough to mention and you think I am wrong (what a surprise). Info from the Mayor is independent (it's from the mayor) and most of the info I use from him is verifiable by others due to the fact that the info is on the Thuringowa website (I add refs) anyway I took it out for you so lets end this now until Amerique has his say (but it looks like he gave up trying to reason with you to) Thuringowacityrep 08:01, 15 February 2007 (UTC) wow ok....making personal attacks mmm so when you say to me "you know damn well"(I was doing as I was asked) and "info from e-mails from the Thuringowa Mayor"(I use his info to find out more info and ref it) plus "a minor fact gives you the opportunity to insert the name Thuringowa"(this is your POV and not why I added it) I feel that these are personal attacks, don't worry I know that you legitimately disagree with me and I am fine with that, but you were told to share your thoughts on the edits I did so that Amerique can offer his views, but today you came on here and got up me for making a edit over a week ago that i did to comply with what I was told to do by Amerique. I am in no way trying to attack you until you submit, that is just your way of thinking. Im sorry if I have a sense of humour, but I asked if you had escaped from somewhere due to you stirring me up again (we have had no problems until you got the s**ts with me for doing a edit) and if you are talking about my "filth" being completely inappropriate (I guess you mean the word shit) that is not a bad word and if you feel that it is then im Sorry. oh and I don't loose it every time we disagree I just didn't like the way you came on here today and ripped it up me for doing as I was told I have been very nice to you over the last few mths and this time it wasn't me that spoiled it lets hope it ends again Now as I thought everything was going well thanks Thuringowacityrep 09:57, 15 February 2007 (UTC) sorry I thought I did the Bully a week ago, my error but how is saying fix error trying to hide the edit?...it was a error in my view...why have you started this all again..I just can't work it out can't you understand I WAS DOING WHAT I WAS TOLD TO DO...you now say that "the great majority of the edits you have done to this point are unsourced and bias edits" it seems to me your the only one that thinks this as if they where wrong other people on Wiki would have changed them (that's what you told me about your edits) and you tell me "to stop making contentious edits and not to attack me personally just because I disagree with you" do I need to remind you again that you got up me today for making a edit and I was nice to you in my reply. your not the only one that is sick of this. Thuringowacityrep 10:36, 15 February 2007 (UTC) this is what is writen on my talk page and it is what i was doing and when i did the edit on the Bully it was due to me not doing it back on the 7th... sorry... so i was told and i was NOT trying to hide the edits plus i don't need a nanny so lay off with that sort of talk please, "I view this arrangement as ok. Thank you both for cooperating and trying to develop an amicable solution to this. Let's go ahead with precise, context-sensitive edits for now. Best,-- Ameriquedialectics 22:39, 7 February 2007 (UTC)" and "hi i will make the edits sometime today and then i will let you both know when i have done them so you can have a look and give you view, again if there is a problem just let me know and i will see what i can do thank you both Thuringowacityrep 22:57, 7 February 2007 (UTC)" hi can you have a look at the Thuringowa page now and tell me what else you think needs fixing up also about the weather station have a look at the ref i just put on there this will explain about it very well thank you Thuringowacityrep 01:55, 16 February 2007 (UTC) Weather station i have one on there that went to a website so it could be viewed, but if you want to keep the one you put on then ok i'll let you pick the better ref link this is the one i put on http://www.thuringowa.qld.gov.au/news/media_release.htm?media_id=938 thanks Thuringowacityrep 02:18, 16 February 2007 (UTC) hi again can you tell me how I am to fix the citations needed you added, Thuringowa doesn't have a hospital, I have never seen it in print anywhere but most of us no that it doesn't and that is why I said it relies on the Townsville based ones, and with "the best location would be in the northern beaches area" this info I got while talking with the mayor so as you would know I can not cite that but I do feel that it is important info that need to stay. waiting for your views please. thanks Thuringowacityrep 03:33, 16 February 2007 (UTC) A proposal If both you and Thuringowacityrep are agreeable, as a fellow AMA member, I would be happy to try and assist in brokering some kind of peace and looking over edits on the articles while Amerique is away. I just had a look over the discussion on TCR's talk page and I definitely don't think it's beyond mutually acceptable resolution. Orderinchaos78 23:19, 15 February 2007 (UTC) AFD 2006 Victorian election campaign Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2006 Victorian election campaign. Grumpyyoungman01 04:16, 17 February 2007 (UTC) Townsville=yes I noticed your edits relating to WikiProject Townsville. I've just added support for Townsville=yes to the parent {{WP Australia}} template. Cheers. -- Longhair\talk 04:25, 17 February 2007 (UTC) Image added. -- Longhair\talk 04:41, 17 February 2007 (UTC) Thanks for that. I've updated the link to Wikipedia:Australian Collaboration of the Fortnight/History within {{WP Australia}}. -- Longhair\talk 08:19, 20 February 2007 (UTC) Apologies Last few days have been very hectic - ended up having to accommodate a friend unexpectedly who found himself with no housing, and am going back to uni next week. Will look into it this afternoon - it was on my list of things to get onto. Orderinchaos78 07:03, 20 February 2007 (UTC) Which pages are the most urgent/outstanding problems located on? I'll look now. Orderinchaos78 07:09, 20 February 2007 (UTC) Working on some ideas at User:Orderinchaos78/AMA Townsville - I'll post the final version of this to the talk page but if you have any other edits you want me to look at at this stage (review then discuss is probably the best policy at the moment), I'll look at those as well. I'll also ask TCR if he has any edits he wants me to review and I'll add them in as a second section. Orderinchaos78 08:40, 20 February 2007 (UTC) PalmIsland edit no problem glad i could help Thuringowacityrep 05:04, 22 February 2007 (UTC) Hi Alec, you need to put a slash "/" at the end of your <ref>when you are calling up a previously named reference. For example <ref name="Oz - biased coroner out"/> Otherwise it assumes that all following text is a new reference. Easy mistake to make and one I have made before myself.--Mattinbgn/ talk 01:12, 23 February 2007 (UTC) Thuringowa edits thanks for adding to the Thuringowa page, it's looking better ...but i was wondering if you can help me a little problem i am having... as you know i started a new article called List of Health Services in the City of Thuringowa and Restaurants in the City of Thuringowa so i could link to them on the main Thuringowa page (like you have done with some on the Townsville page) but the 2 pages that i have started are up for deletion, i and being told that the pages are [[WP:NOT#DIR], but on this page it states "Merged groups of small articles based on a core topic are certainly permitted" and i think this is what i have done. can you have a quick look and offer me your views please (if you have time) the links are Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Restaurants in the City of Thuringowa and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Health Services in the City of Thuringowa thanks Thuringowacityrep 05:52, 23 February 2007 (UTC) thanks for your effort but it looks like i may have to put these 2 pages back on the the Thuringowa page, i was doing what user:Peripitus said in his comments on the talk page after he gave it a rating, i will remove the tag that was put on the 2 pages and go from there but i am at a loss as to why they need to be deleted. thanks again Thuringowacityrep 11:01, 23 February 2007 (UTC) thanks for looking in on my travel page, it took me a while but it's looking good. I will link it to the Townsville travel page when i am done and i may link the Townsville travel page to the Thuringowa one later (if i can do that). and if it is ok i will put a link to the Townsville and Thuringowa pages on Wikipedia (again if i can) and put a link to the Thuringowa travel page on the Thuringowa article, i think this will get me to how i wanted it before my other 2 pages were put up for deletion. thanks again for your thoughts Thuringowacityrep 02:40, 25 February 2007 (UTC) Palm Island, Queensland GA on hold  GA on hold — Notes left on talk page. Nehrams2020 05:48, 25 February 2007 (UTC) We shouldn't have much issue in responding to the issues. Strike out as you resolve them ! --Steve (Slf67) talk 06:52, 25 February 2007 (UTC) A few versions ago there was an extra line between those sections which shows as a larger gap between them when you view the article. Someone must have removed it in passing. --Steve (Slf67) talk 07:56, 26 February 2007 (UTC) For inline citations, it is usually best to add it after each statement instead of the last statement in the paragraph as several sources may be used in the same paragraph. So if you can, add it after each statement that may be questioned over its verifiability. --Nehrams2020 08:00, 26 February 2007 (UTC) Hi Alec, Thanks for the heads up. I haven't been able to do as much on Wikipedia over the last fortnight either due to real life getting in the road:-) I don't think you are too far away from getting Palm Island to GA status now. If I get a chance over the weekend I will try and do some more. Cheers--Mattinbgn/ talk 12:40, 2 March 2007 (UTC) Thanks too, it was good reminder! I think we've hit all the points off, and I've let the GA reviewer know. --Steve (Slf67) talk 02:57, 3 March 2007 (UTC) And in case you didn't notice, it passed! Next stop FA... --Steve (Slf67) talk 04:08, 3 March 2007 (UTC) Well done again with getting to GA status with the article!--Mattinbgn/ talk 08:41, 4 March 2007 (UTC) Cultural senssitivies etc Hope it dosnt have a time limit - distracted by thunder storms at the moment - will try later SatuSuro 02:26, 26 February 2007 (UTC) Thuringowa edits 2 hi feel free to edit and add info, i think that the way you have worded it now looks good, i don't want to add to much on the page about tourists as i find a lot of people don't like that, and i don't want to do all that work for nothing.i may add more tourist info but will see what i can find that would make good reading. thanks again Thuringowacityrep 03:50, 1 March 2007 (UTC) Cultural issues regarding recently deceased Aboriginal people Hey Alec I was wondering, I know there is an article Mulrunji which identifies that is the name of a recently deceased specific aboriginal person. Would you consider, if you have the relevant sources at your disposal, creating an article relating the the cultural factors which lead to the renaming of a recently deceased individual in various aboriginal cultures across Australia? The creation of this type of article would greatly assist in discussions about the issue and would centralise discussion about when it is no longer appropriate to refer to Mulrinji by that name, and to revert back to the name he had when he was alive (and similarly for other Aboriginal people with similar beliefs). To clarify - I'm not after a sub-page under WP:WikiProject Australia or something, but an actual article which discusses the cultural belief system. Was Mulrunji actually working for the dole, or was he an employee of the local Aboriginal Land Council? sometimes it is a very grey issue... the dole money is paid to the ALC then the ALC pays all their employees, but people who work for the ALC don't have to look for other paid employment. 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Thanks. --Scott Davis Talk 13:28, 18 March 2007 (UTC) its all good no probs mate I can understand but please try to understand that I am not here to P@#S anyone off, I am a nice person that is trying to do what I can with the life I have left, if I find that I have had a bad day and I've got the sh#ts then I don't get on Wiki because I don't want to be the person that rips the fork out of someone for making an edit (trust me I have some bad days and pain can make a person "not themselves" at times). so I just want to say that I have no hard feelings toward you but please try not to snap and just explain to me if I have made a mistake, I treat people the same as they treat me. I will remove some of the info on the talk page and hope that editors don't revert it. oh and thanks for your help offerThuringowacityrep 01:04, 29 March 2007 (UTC) Drop bear image It doesn't belong in the article. It is a non-notable photoshopped gimmick that actually contains advertising to an external site. It doesn't conform to any well known widely circulated description of drop bears, and is clearly a joke. Drop bears AFAIK are just like koala bears, which have fearsome enough claws, teeth and hideous odour. The topic of the article is a joke, but that doesn't mean the article should be--ZayZayEM 13:10, 1 April 2007 (UTC) Palm Island Welcome back! --Steve (Stephen) talk 04:57, 3 April 2007 (UTC) I'll do more but it's trivial work compared to what you've added over the last couple days! --Steve (Stephen) talk 01:40, 7 April 2007 (UTC) Yes, after a bit more thought I'd make the referendum link point to the "see also" article. However, during my edit I think the section needs fleshing out a bit. It talks about the history of the referendum, and then moves on to Wilson's study. Perhaps the study should be a notable event, as it's not really part of the history. And the Catalina airbase is really out of place too, another notable event perhaps? The history can then focus on the time-line of Aboriginal rights? I'll go and edit this now - see what you think in 20 minutes... --Steve (Stephen) talk 03:27, 11 April 2007 (UTC) Actually didn't take long at all! So the 1960s - 1985 has no Palm specifics, how did the referendum change things? When did the oppressive regime and use as a Mission end, and why did it end? I'll probably add some more to the airbase section and see if I can find something about how they interacted with the oppression going on at the same time. What do you think about the re-order? --Steve (Stephen) talk 03:35, 11 April 2007 (UTC) Suburbs Hi thanks for that, i was going to take some photos around Thuringowa but haven't had a chance to yet so this is a big help. They look great, i have plans on getting some of the Thuringowa city sign, Riverway, the CBD, Cannon Park and others all the way out to Rupertswood and Rollingstone etc, the only think i'm not sure about is the Townsville/Thuringowa in the info box but i will leave it as it is to keep the peace, plus it directs to the Townsville/Thuringowa page and that is a good thing. Again, great work Thanks Thuringowacityrep 00:48, 6 April 2007 (UTC) Hey..what i will do is try to get some more info on Bushland Beach and then a few pics might look ok, but like you say it might be a bit much now, i'll try to add some info later today or tomorrow. As for the link to Thuringowa i would be very happy if you would do that. thanks again Thuringowacityrep 03:38, 6 April 2007 (UTC) oh also i just seen this on the Townsville page ‹ The template below has been proposed for deletion. See templates for deletion to help reach a consensus on what to do. › thought i better let you know that it had been marked for deletion so you ca stop it. Thuringowacityrep 03:43, 6 April 2007 (UTC) Nats I agree that the sourcing in this article is terrible and the result is a lot of unacceptable POV pushing and opinionated commentary. I've been trying to get a book on the Nationals but there don't seem to be too many available. :/ Also the history is so different between states. If you have any ideas on finding refs for this I'm totally open to them. DanielT5 06:44, 10 April 2007 (UTC) Hi DanielT5, I have added the 'sources' notice to the ALP, LPA and NPA articles to draw further attention to the lack of referencing and therefore (as you say) POV that naturally slips in the vacuum. I have never read a book on the Nats so do not have a recommendation, however I have no doubt at all there is plenty of info out there from publications of all sorts as I said last night at WikiProject Australian politics, for example today's Courier Mail details internal party matters on the front page! This stuff really isn't that difficult to source, the problem is people want to push their agenda's on these pages and not put the time in to back it up. Personally I think we should start afresh by wiping all unsourced materials on these pages and then go from there, I might be in the minority on that one :) But surely everyone can agree that it's not a very healthy encyclopaedic situation where the minor parties have better articles than the parties which actually run the country... That's my rant for the day. Alec -(answering machine) 07:15, 10 April 2007 (UTC) Also regarding there being better info on States; that doesn't surprise me, my observation is that most of the power/politics in all the major parties is at the State level and they all retain quite a bit of autonomy, particularly the Nats. I would suggest that if is hard to find info about the Nats at the Federal level and it is relatively easy to find it on the State level than there should be detailed articles on each of the State Parties and the National Party of Australia page should have a description of the umbrella federal organisation, some information about the federal parliamentary history and platform and the rest of the article be a summery of each of the State sub-pages. Your thoughts? Alec -(answering machine) 08:19, 10 April 2007 (UTC) i like your ideas! nice to see some people thinking pragmatically. Actually your idea about state articles wouldn't be a bad thing I think. While I admit to being a member of the party I'm certainly not looking to push its wagon on here (every party has its bad points and regrettable bits of its history it would rather forget) and am very keen to get good sources in and maybe a GA or FA or two out of it... DanielT5 08:59, 10 April 2007 (UTC) Good to hear, and as a Party member you have a real advantage in getting official info which can be sourced, I presume the WA Nats would have a Members Guide, or Members Info Book available on request, just call Party Office or one of the MPs office's and they should be able to post that documentation to you. Information from those types of documents, while obviously bias towards the good points of the party, would be a good starting point on writing about official policy/platform and recent news in a well referenced way, and the next step is one of the following: talk to someone at party office and ask them if they can recommend any good articles/books about the party which is from a reliable and independent political analyst. go to your local/uni library and ask for help in sourcing info from their archives. even a Google search should produce a huge amount of info from various news and political science websites. Good luck, Alec -(answering machine) 09:16, 10 April 2007 (UTC) RE: Welcome Back yeah thanks, its been going pretty well so far, alot of study so far for QCS and assignments and other commitments so i haven't had much time for stuff on Wikipedia, other than school based stuff. - Gertzy, 13:40 (UTC) 12th April, 2007. WP:Townsville importance ratings The default importance=yes parameter is functional for the parent WikiProject, being WikiProject Australia. To classify Townsville-related articles, as they relate to the Townsville WikiProject (ie, how important the article is to the Townsville WikiProject itself, not to WikiProject Australia), you need to use the parameter of Townsville-importance=yes. I hope this helps. If you need a further explanation feel free to let me know via my talk page. Cheers. -- Longhair\talk 12:35, 13 April 2007 (UTC) It's still early days for sub-project assessments. Sadly, functionality has grown faster than the actual documentation, but that'll come :) -- Longhair\talk 12:37, 13 April 2007 (UTC) Hi Alec. I caught your comment to Longhair, and thought I should clarify his response above for anyone else reading here. To assess the importance of an article you need to give it an attribute from the importance scale – that is, either "top", "high", "mid" or "low". So, for example, the banner coding for Townsville might read: {{WP Australia|class=B|importance=high|Townsville=yes|Townsville-importance=top}} Regards, --cj | talk 03:19, 14 April 2007 (UTC)