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August 8

How

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How do I create an article? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nuribug (talk • contribs).

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Help:Starting a new page. You might also look at Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation.. PrimeHunter 00:18, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

blocking templates

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Are non admin users allowed to place block templates on a user page, if the blocking admin has not done so.86.141.240.149 00:37, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Sure. WODUP 00:50, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Glamis Castle image circa 1880 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/glamis_castle

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We would like to use the image on an invitation for a private event. Are there any restrictions? What would be the best proceedure to use it? Thanks Andresinteriors 00:56, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

The image description page at commons:Image:GlamisWide.JPG shows that it's licensed under the Creative Commons ShareAlike 1.0 license. The restrictions can be found on the license page. WODUP 02:24, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

citing wikipedia

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when using wikipedia as a source for academic research, how do you cite the internal reference to wikipedia as the source conforming to APA format?

Many thanks 01:56, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Click "Cite this article" in the toolbox to the left on the used article. An APA style citation is included. PrimeHunter 02:03, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

You should also read Wikipedia:Citing Wikipedia which contains warnings about using Wikipedia in research papers and the like. WODUP 02:12, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Edit conflict

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Do we have to put (edit conflict) edit conflict (EC) etc. when one happens? People seem too eager to add this to indicate what should be an everyday occurrence.ALTON .ıl 02:17, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Nobody has to do it, but it can be useful to indicate that the comment was written before seeing the previous comment. I only use it when it's relevant for that reason. PrimeHunter 02:20, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

The holy grail

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WHO IN YOUR APINION IS THE LIVING OR DECEASED PERSON WHOS BLOOD LINE IS OR WAS THE HOLY GRAIL —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 144.138.48.91 (talk)

What do you mean? Melsaran 03:31, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

I'd say yes. .V. _[Talk|Email] 03:38, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

My coffee mug can directly trace its lineage to the Holy Grail. Shame it got broken.--Max Talk (+) 03:52, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

The question appears to involve a semi-grammatical corruption of the premise of The Da Vinci Code. --Teratornis 14:52, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Palm

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How can I download wikipedia on my palm?

It might be possible if you had a fully featured web browser installed on your Palm. Trying to view the English Wikipedia Main Page on my Palm Tungsten T5 caused the Blazer web browser to crash. Astronaut 09:43, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

It worked on my Palm Tungsten T5 using the Blazer web browser in wide-screen mode (it crashed my T5 when in portrait mode). The T5 was connected to the internet via my mobile phone with Bluetooth. My mobile phone contract allows GPRS internet access but it is slow and expensive to use. I think it is possible to buy a wireless internet card that would fit in the SD card slot which would be faster and could use my home ISP or any wirless hot-spot. Unfortunately, the biggest problem is the text size and formatting gave the web page a strange look. Maybe a better web browser on the T5 is what I need. Astronaut 10:16, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

TomeRaider might help. --Teratornis 14:54, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Nutritional Requrement for Hepatitis B Patients

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Please direct me to a site where i would read the nutritional requirements of a Hepatitis B patient--203.87.181.34 04:45, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

For starters you should see the article on Hepatitis B. Please note that Wikipedia does not give medical advice. --_Hdt83 ^Chat 04:47, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Linking and non-redundant section headings

It seems that a heading of a sub-section should avoid repeating the heading of the section that contains it; this seems redundant. For example, Cyanosis#Common causes of central cyanosis is a subsection of Cyanosis#Central cyanosis, so a less redundant sub-heading under "Central syanosis" would be "Common causes". However, the link Cyanosis#Common causes incorrectly suggests to the reader that "Common causes" is a main section of the article and concerns the causes of cyanosis in general. And, if there is a section like Cyanosis#Peripheral cyanosis that also has a subsection "Common causes", the link Cyanosis#Common causes only refers to the first occurrence. Is there a way to link to a subsection of a particular section? If not, is there any point for me to suggest at the Village Pump such a modification of Wikimedia? -Pgan002 05:57, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

If you type out the hyperlink Cyanosis#Common causes of central cyanosis, it would look like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyanosis#Common_causes_of_central_cyanosis, which is a long line of text, like most specific hyperlinks. I don't think people will be too concerned about the redundancy there. However, if you are linking inside Wikipedia, you can pipelink by making it look like: Common causes of central cyanosis, but it actually leads to: Cyanosis#Common causes of central cyanosis. You can do this by typing: [[Cyanosis#Common causes of central cyanosis|Common causes of central cyanosis]].

Keep in mind that the section Cyanosis#Common causes does not exist, so it redirects you to the Cyanosis article itself. --JDitto 06:21, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I was not clear. The redundancy is the repetition of "central cyanosis" in the headings of the article and the TOC; in long articles with many subsections and levels of subsections, this kind of redundancy makes the TOC difficult to read. The headings can be reworded to remove the redundancy, were it not for the linking problems above. -Pgan002 06:36, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, yeah, it does, but it makes it more clear for people who are new to the article and do not know that there are more than one kind of Cyanosis, right? --JDitto 06:45, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Then the MoS should be modified to say that the sub-headings should be unique, even if that makes them redundant, right?. -Pgan002 22:29, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

According to Wikipedia:Manual of Style (headings)#Wording, "Avoid restating the subject or article title, or of an enclosing section in headings." I would take that to mean that a sub-section shouldn't include the heading from the section, so "Common causes" would be correct. Confusing Manifestation 07:01, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Then how do I link to the second subsection called "Common causes"? -Pgan002 22:29, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

signature usage

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Poemisaglock 05:58, 8 August 2007 (UTC) I am a fairly new user and i don't understand what the signature option under "my preferences" is for. I checked the signature (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures) page and it talked about signing your posts. I do this and it shows up with my username (Poemisaglock), but would having a signature replace this? I just don't understand what the point of it is if your username already shows up when you sign your posts. Is there some other purpose of the signature or perhaps it is considered more official than the username? Please clear this up. THANK YOU!

Typing ~~~~ produces i ^said 06:03, 8 August 2007 (UTC) for me. For you, it will produce whatever you have in the raw signature box, or Poemisaglock and the time as a default. You should always type the four tildes after every post you make on a place where it is appropriate, i.e. pretty much everything but an actual article. This page, article talk pages, user talk pages and the like should all be signed. This helps people communicate by letting us know who wrote something. i ^said 06:00, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Image in a table

How do I center align an image in a table? --JDitto 06:04, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

<center> tags work. See my example. WODUP 08:29, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

I tried that, but it doesn't work on the weird table found on Chess#Strategy and tactics. --JDitto 02:40, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Admin complaint and request

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Admin IPSOS has placed a "False" allegation on my User page[1] and is accusing me of being a liar, and has placed me here:[2] Admin IPSOS seems to state as fact that I am a sockpuppet here:[3]? I am requesting that this be addressed as soon as possible as it has upset me greatly and I am concerned that this Admin is set on providing personal information to other editors that will enable them to harass me. Your cooperation with regards to this matter is sought in a timely manner. Regards,TalkAbout 06:32, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

After reading Wikipedia:Arbitration policy, you can post at Wikipedia:Requests for Arbitration. --JDitto 06:57, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your time and guidance. I will place the complaint there. I know that as Admins you can see that I am not that individual and therefore took this accusation all the more seriously. PEACETalkAbout 07:04, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Admins cannot see whether two accounts are editing from the same computer. Few people have the CheckUser privilege required at Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser. PrimeHunter 14:11, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

deletion of my first contribution "Ari Forman" .... and my research to support it...

Hi... my contribution was deleted. I think I understand why... I didn't add links to the places I found my info/facts. I tried to edit it to read less like an "advertisement" as I did NOT intend it to come across that way. It was my first attempt and I guess this is a common newbie mistake.

Moving forward... how can I undelete this contribution "Ari Forman" and make it appropriate? here is the main source of my info for this contribution. However I have many other links that give more bits and pieces below the main link.

(main source of info) http://www.onthegomarketing.com/bios/ari/ari.html

(other sources of info/facts) http://www.free-press-release.com/news/200502/1107806469.html

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m5072/is_16_29/ai_n19041558

http://www.worshipworthy.com/category/our-daily-bread/

http://peelmagazine.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=102&osCsid=d17d9caa382

Dannyglasband 06:40, 8 August 2007 (UTC) Danny

HELLOOOOOOO.... anybody out there?????

up stream in pipeline construction work

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up stream & down stream in pipeline construction work

Um... I do not understand what this is about? If you need help without something else besides Wikipedia, you should check out the reference desk. --_Hdt83 ^Chat 07:39, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Move sections?

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Is it possible to move sections of an article as a new article. (And keep it's history, of course.) --JDitto 06:49, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure there's a way to move the edit history of just that section to the new article, but you can create the new article with an edit summary that links back to the source and leave a summary in its place, if necessary, on the parent article. See Wikipedia:Summary style. WODUP 08:38, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh, okay. Thanks! --JDitto 02:42, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

{help me} cant get my password86.91.118.155 06:59, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

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Hello,

I dont know where to look for my question, i tried many times with a email, but every time it comes back. I hope you can help me.

This is what i wanted to ask:

Hello Lindenlab,

My english isnt that good, but i try.

I have a question: my password is saved at my computer. And i dont remember it anymore. So i am unable to go to the site. I tried to answer the question that was asked, but did it three times wrong. Now i dont get my password.

Can you help me please so i can also get into the side?

Thank you very much. I hope to hear from you .

Greetings,

Catharina86.91.118.155 06:59, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

It might be possible to get a new password sent to you. Enter your User ID on the "sign in/create account" page here and click the "E-mail new password" button. It will only work if Wikipedia knows your e-mail address (which you set up on the "My preferences" page). Astronaut 11:00, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Stubs

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Is it possible for an article to go from being not a stub, to being reduced to one? That seems to be what happened to the Otherkin article--Honeymane_{Heghlu meH QaQ jajvam} 07:32, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, it is possible for article to go back to being a stub (its happened before). This usually happens when a large amount of information is deleted due to copyright vios, WP:NOT, community consensus, etc. --_Hdt83 ^Chat 07:37, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks--Honeymane_{Heghlu meH QaQ jajvam} 07:43, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

User RfC link gone red

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I've just noticed that cross-references I've made in various places to comments at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Eyrian have gone red. (No doubt the same will happen here at the help desk when I press save.) Why is that? Are user RfCs deleted when they are closed? And (since I'm here asking questions) if they are, then why is that done? AndyJones 07:45, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

according to the logs it was deleted because "El C deleted "Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Eyrian" (efforts to resolve the dispute are lacking)". Remember to check the logs on the pages :)--Honeymane_{Heghlu meH QaQ jajvam} 07:50, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Ah, yes, I see that. I'm still not sure I understand the procedure, though: yes, the RfC was closed (and quite rightly: I was one of those who defended Eyrian's position, although I had other comments to make). Why the page deletion, though? Most other discussions are kept visible. Is that the procedure? And if so why? AndyJones 08:02, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Ask El_C. Miranda 11:07, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

See this archived discussion. Corvus cornix 22:02, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia Foundation

I would like to know who is financing the Wikipedia Foundation? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.19.201.193 (talk)

The Wikimedia Foundation is financed by gifts, because it is a charitable organisation which does not have advertisements on its websites. See also the "make a donation" tab to your left. By the way, tildes are generally made by pressing shift+the key left to the 1, but you can also click the signature button on top of the edit box. Melsaran 11:37, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

The Wikimedia Foundation (Wikipedia is one of the projects of the Wikimedia Foundation, which runs wikis on the MediaWiki software – confusing, I know) operates on donations and grants. foundation:Finance report might have more detailed information. WODUP 12:11, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Do you know who are the main spenders (donators) by name? --91.19.197.221 12:20, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Tildes

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1)What is the 4 tildes?

2)Did I have one, if so can you give it me, please.

 If I did have one, I cannot recall it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anacrossan (talk • contribs) 

The tilde is the squiggly line probably on the button to the left of the 1 key on your keyboard. On Wikipedia, typing four of them (~~~~) automagically produces your signature and timestamp when the page is saved. WODUP 11:34, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict)

1) The 4 tildes are used to sign your post so people know who you are. They look like this ~~~~ and produce a signature of your username/IP address followed by the time and date.

2) I don't understand your question or the context in which it is placed. I have a feeling you are not connected with the "...who is financing the Wikipedia..." question above. If this is the case, you need to create a new question by clicking the "Click here to ask your question about using Wikipedia" link at the top of this page.

Astronaut 11:39, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

See WP:SIG and Help:Talk page. If you cannot find the tilde on your keyboard, look in the big box below the Wikipedia edit window, which has a line labeled "Symbols:" and you can click on them to insert them into the edit window at the cursor position. There is also an Edit toolbar you can display above the edit window, and it has a button with the Tooltip text: "Your signature with timestamp." If you don't see this toolbar when you edit, you will have to enable it in your Preferences. --Teratornis 15:30, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Irregularity on AfD

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There's an ongoing discussion on AfD, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Laila Richard Sadeq, which is irregular at best and may be deliberate trolling. It was created yesterday from what seems to be an old, closed AfD, although I can't find any evidence in the admin's edit history that he or she was ever involved in the discussion and the user who created the page and who supposedly originally nominated the article in 2005 seems to have only created his account in February of 2007. Having created the AfD, his next step was to alter the dates to the current year. User:Xxdisneyxfanxx then came in, edited out some of the admin comments & added his or her own back-dated comments. User:82.13.21.147 removed the admin notice altogether. Long backstory, short question: how should this situation be handled? This isn't an actual AfD; the process has not been followed. It seems to be a group effort to stir controversy. (Sorry for not using "difference" tags instead of the cumbersome method I've used; I haven't figured out how yet, though I'm sure it's perfectly obvious. :)) --Moonriddengirl 12:25, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Um... that's an odd one. The article should be nominated, the subject does not meet notability or verifiability standards. Ok, I'll probably get yelled at for this, but I'm going to be bold, close off the current discussion as improperly filed and debated, and re-start it properly. Hersfold ^(talk/work) 12:58, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

I have completed the AfD nomination on the current AfD debate which has multiple comments and should not be stopped in my opinion. PrimeHunter 13:17, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Yeah.. I think I should have paid more attention to my spider-sense on this one and exercised more caution before voting. However, now that the AfD nom has been sorted out I'm not going to change my vote; It does leave an unpleasant taste in the mouth, though, as I can't shake the feeling that there are agendas being pushed and other motivations behind the original "nomination". I reserve the right to change my nom, as ever, should things that are currently just suspicious become more alarming. Oh, and thanks to Moonriddengirl for pointing me in this direction. OBM | ^{blah blah blah} 13:40, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

trinidad & tobago

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population

Trinidad and Tobago says "July 2005 estimate 1,305,000". PrimeHunter 13:54, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Repeated MOS violations/anon IP difficulties on Jennifer Hudson

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For the past few days I've had issues with various anon IP users (as well as one user who made the initial edits, User:Ebrownn, who I addressed on their talk page after another user voiced their concern about their use of images[4]) altering the Jennifer Hudson article to fit their own idea of the Manual of Style. I've reverted back each time, possibly accidentally removing some kosher edits in the meanwhile, citing my reasons, but later that day the article is transformed yet again.[5][6]. My question is, what can I do to stop these changes? I don't feel comfortable warning these separate IP accounts; what if it's the same individual? Should I ask for the article to be protected? Am I making a mountain out of a mole hill? Should I just let it take its own course? What Would Jimbo Do? María (críticame) 14:41, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

There has been no discussion on the talk page in over a month. You need to continue the "discuss" part of Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss. Also, you can leave a note for User talk:Ryulong, who is already familiar with the problem, or at WP:ANI if he's not available. I think it's too early to seek semiprotection. Shalom ^Hello 19:23, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

recurring vandalism to JASON Defense Advisory Group

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The vandalized article, JASON Defense Advisory Group, was semi-protected. And when the protection deadline of Aug. 4 passed, I reverted the article to the last non-vandalized version. The vandal is back, making the same changes; and I've just re-reverted the article. Can the vandalisms be blocked in some way? AKath 15:19, 8 August 2007 (UTC)Ann Finkbeiner

The following question by User:Prakashpgopinath|prachi]] is not related to my question. Note by User:ConMan: unrelated question now separated.

Since it looks like it's just the one vandal operating on a bunch of IP addresses, and only one at a time, I would suggest that once protection lifts again, if you catch them in the act, you can drop them one of the immediate vandal warnings (such as {{uw-v4im}}), and then if they continue to report at WP:AIV. If they get a few warnings and stop each time, and you can provide enough evidence of that (shouldn't be hard), you can then start looking at making a post either to WP:AN/I or Wikipedia:Abuse reports. Confusing Manifestation 23:00, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Signing

prachi 15:22, 8 August 2007 (UTC) why when i sign in the language turne in Russian prachi 15:22, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

what is a shuttle?

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could you tell us what a shuttle is?

This is an online encyclopedia. To answer your question, type shuttle in the box labeled "search" and click the button labeled "go". -- Kainaw^(what?) 15:26, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

About Fountain Of nations article

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I Wrote to more topics on the main subject and they won't come up on the articleCheyenneRulz 16:09, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

First, galleries go near the bottom of articles. Second, put external link references inside of <ref> tags. Third, ensure you don't leave the ending > off your </ref> tags. -- Kainaw^(what?) 17:18, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

The Eagle (gay bar)

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My article was recently deleted for not being noteworthy. I would think that several dozen gay bars, opened independently throughout the world, all of them dedicated to gay leather culture, would be considered significant, especially since individual gay bars, such as G.A.Y. and Heaven have their own pages. I suspect that homophobia played a role in the deletion, as for any gay man living in any major city in America, whatever Eagle is in their city is noteworthy. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gitaiba (talk • contribs).

Just for the record, the article was Eagle (gay bar) and Gitaiba has contacted the deleting administrator. PrimeHunter 17:29, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

I can't quite detect a question in your post. If you are asking why it was deleted, take a look at WP:ORG. --Tλε Rαnδom Eδιτor (tαlk) 19:43, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Just to point out, editors are encouraged to assume good faith and making accusations of homophobia at the admin who deleted your page is not appropriate. However if you want to take it up, visit User talk:MZMcBride and talk to the deleter. AndrewJDTALK -- 21:37, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Inequity

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I'm disturbed at Wikipedia's tendency to paint Christians and, particularly, creationists, in a negative/controversial light, when the avid evolutionists/anti-creationists and evolutionary beliefs and theories are portrayed as positive, unchallenged, or fact. This is a significant anti-Bible and anti-creationist slant on all your articles, which leads me to believe that some supervisory body is making sure input into Wikipedia stays this with this particular point of view. Christian persons, ministries, and subjects are routinely questioned and challenged in Wikipedias articles, while other things like evolution, anti-creationists, and organizations working against biblical beliefs are given the soft touch and a free ride - barely questioning their beliefs.

It would be refreshing and more open-minded to see more equality in the articles. I have no problem with disagreement, but when one side is always shown as being controversial while this is never discussed with the other side, there is surely a biased viewpoint that the editors want to make sure Wikipedia readers see.

Wikipedia is an online encyclopedia that anyone can edit - including you. That means that you are an editor. If you have trouble with the content of an article on Wikipedia, it is your responsibility to fix it. Complaining that the editors have a conspiracy implies that you do not understand that you are an editor as well. -- Kainaw^(what?) 19:01, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

See also Wikipedia:Neutral Point of View and Wikipedia:Verifiability - any "good" article should be balanced and any statement it makes that is even slightly controversial should be backed up by a reliable source. If controversial statements are made that don't conform to this, they need to be dealt with (possibly via discussion on the article's talk page). Confusing Manifestation 22:53, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Actually Charles Darwin's theory of evolution by mutation and natural selection has been relentlessly attacked and questioned ever since its first year of publication (1859). This is part of the scientific method, which is based on critical thinking. Scientists do not try to exempt themselves from criticism as many religions do (some of which label such criticism as blasphemy, thereby committing a style over substance fallacy); rather, scientists welcome criticism because a theory must withstand the best attacks critics can throw at it to be considered a valid theory. All the attacks on Darwin's theory have motivated scientists to go out and collect more data; but the more data that comes in, the more convincing Darwin's theory becomes. For example, during Darwin's lifetime, there were some questions about how well his theory could explain some features of biogeography, without invoking the then-farfetched notion of continental drift. Then along came the discovery of plate tectonics along with scientific instruments that can now directly measure the motion of continents (the Atlantic ocean is growing wider at about the same speed that your fingernails are growing longer). Today the combination of evolutionary theory and continental drift neatly explains some otherwise puzzling aspects of the distribution of plants and animals around the world. Other scientific discoveries, such as radioactivity and DNA, opened vast new areas of scientific study that Darwin could probably have barely dreamed of, and these results too have added to the overwhelming support for Darwin's theory. The result is that evolution is accepted as historical fact by the vast majority of scientists, and is only questioned on religious grounds, as no factual criticisms of Darwin's theory based on objective data appear in refereed scientific journals.

As to why science should receive seemingly more respect on Wikipedia than faith does (this depends on which articles you happen to be reading, as plenty of articles about religion here show clear bias in favor of their subjects), that is because science generally works better than faith. For example, you are asking your question by typing it on a computer, rather than attempting to communicate with distant strangers through purely spiritual means. Modern computers work reliably for telecommunication, while faith does not. Religious books such as the Bible contain many promises of tangible benefits obtainable supernaturally (for example, there are stories of divine healing, teleportation, remote communication across time and space, miraculous production of food from nothing, etc.), but few Christians seriously attempt to live according to the teachings of Jesus taken literally (take no thought for tomorrow, give all your money to the poor, forgive everyone who harms you, trust God to feed, clothe, and keep you healthy, etc.). This is because centuries of experience have shown technology and hard work to be more reliable than faith when it comes to putting food on the table and money in the bank (not to mention protecting against tsunamis and hurricanes, which equally lay waste to all buildings in their path, whether they are casinos or churches). Imagine trying to run a modern country based on the principle of turning the other cheek - such a nation would quickly be overrun by criminals and invaders. We certainly don't see George W. Bush shaping his foreign and domestic policies according to the Sermon on the Mount - to do so would be to invite disaster on an even greater scale than that resulting from the current policies.

Scientific disagreements are always resolvable in principle, and eventually in practice, because science makes falsifiable claims. Religious disagreements are typically irresolvable, either because religious claims are not testable, or when they are, religious adherents tend to maintain their faith even in the face of contradictory evidence. For example, archeological studies throughout Mesoamerica have failed to find one shred of evidence to support the historical claims in the Book of Mormon, and such evidence should be abundant if the Book of Mormon is true, as the purported civilizations should have left many artifacts, as other ancient civilizations did; failure to find said artifacts would be a troubling result for Mormons if they actually cared about objective data, but for the most part they do not, because that's not how faith operates. If they cared about objective data, they would have demanded some before accepting the Book of Mormon as truth.

It is, of course, disingenuous to equate religious thinking with open-mindedness, as faith is all about rejecting plausible explanations before all the facts are in. For example, right now it is absolutely impossible for us to determine which one of the thousands of mutually conflicting religions are correct about the afterlife (if any are actually correct). As far as anybody can tell, the ancient Egyptian formula of building giant pyramids to gain eternal life is as plausible as the methods promoted by other religious groups. Since there is no way to test a formula for eternal life other than by dying, and once dead a person can no longer reliably communicate with the living, the only truly open-minded take on the afterlife is to admit we just don't know. But no religion I have heard of is that open-minded. --Teratornis 06:30, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, Unitarian Universalism might qualify... —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 06:42, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Somehow I doubt many followers of Unitarian Universalism would be open-minded toward, say, factual data which might support the more controversial claims in The Bell Curve. Which is not to say they would be as far from critical thinking as, say, the Taliban. Just that it's really hard for emotional humans to really have open minds. Part of the problem is that science occasionally discovers troubling things before technology provides the solutions. --Teratornis 00:05, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

How do you make a page?

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How do you make a page on wikipedia? ChLoRiNaToRx27x 19:39, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Help:Starting a new page. You might also look at Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. PrimeHunter 19:42, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

i have created and account but it wont let me log in please help

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69.8.33.187 19:57, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Please see Help:Logging in. Hersfold ^(talk/work) 20:54, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

What error message does it display? Wrong password? Melsaran 21:34, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Editing during an AfD debate

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Hello. Am I allowed to re-write an article while it is the subject of an open deletion debate, or might this be regarded as manipulative? Should I wait for the debate to be closed first? Thanks TreeKittens 20:04, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

• It's strongly encouraged. Fixing articles is always preferable to deleting them. Cheers, WilyD 20:05, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
  • OK, great. Thanks :) TreeKittens 20:18, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
    • "Re-write" usually implies fundamental changes and can in certain cases be considered disruptive during an AfD, especially if the rewrite will make some editors more inclined to delete the article. But editing an article with uncontroversial improvements during an AfD is fine. PrimeHunter 20:57, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

• If you do re-write it, it's considered polite to then make a note in the AfD, so that people judge based on the new version (some people also leave messages on the talk pages of people who !voted delete, in case it changes their mind). Confusing Manifestation 22:49, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for responding. It seems I was abusing the term 're-write' as I really meant just adding some sources I found and maybe adding some other sourced comments I feel are relevant. Sorry for exaggerating! Thanks again. TreeKittens 00:08, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Manga, Anime and Video game references

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Has there been any discussion on Wikipedia about the fact that for a good number of articles 1/5 of the content is "References in Pop Culture" which then go on to list each time the Person, Place or thing has appeared in Manga, Anime and Video games.

I like these as much as the next guy but this seems like pure trivia that is bloating up a ton of articles. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.237.181.100 (talk)

Yes, this is often discussed. See Wikipedia:Avoid trivia sections. In many cases the pop culture section keeps growing and is eventually moved to its own article. At some point it's then usually discussed whether that article should be deleted, which it often is. PrimeHunter 20:47, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

See also Wikipedia:"In popular culture" articles (which is only an essay). PrimeHunter 20:49, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Naming

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Hi, could someone clear this up. In articles, are people referred to by their 'latest' title if for example they are made a peer/knight, or are they referred to as what they were at a specific time? E.g. On former Commissioners of the Metropolitan Police, Sir John Stevens is listed as such, a title he held at that time whilst holding that position. He is now however Baron Stevens. Is it correct that he should be listed under a former title, or is he listed under his 'latest'?

If this makes sense, I can't really explain it any other way. Burto88 20:58, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

According to the naming conventions on people, article titles generally "don't add qualifiers (such as "King", "Saint", "Dr.", "(person)", "(ship)"), except when this is the simplest and most NPOV way to deal with disambiguation." Since there are in fact rather a lot of John Stevens, I would say the current title, John Stevens, Baron Stevens of Kirkwhelpington, while rather long, would be best. For similar examples, see Robert Baden-Powell, 1st Baron Baden-Powell, William Tyssen-Amherst, 1st Baron Amherst of Hackney, and in fact this entire category. Hersfold ^(talk/work) 00:28, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Raul Julia-Levy

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I have a problem with people vadilism my biographie i need to know can i protect my name ,

RAUL JULIA LEVY —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rauljulialevy (talk • contribs).

See Wikipedia:Protection policy. It usually takes a lot of vandalism to get protection. PrimeHunter 22:25, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Protected the page for a week, with a request for reliable sources on the talkpage. Bjelleklang - talk Bug Me 22:49, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Displaying latitude/longitude info.

I am editing a page at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broxburn%2C_West_Lothian and have just added an infobox. My problem is that the latitude/longitude co-ordinates at the the top right had corner of the page are now displayed twice, they 'overlap.' I think this is because the co-ordinates were previously displayed using a template. So: 1) how do I identify the problem & 2) how do I correct it? Any help gratefully appreciated. Tissues 23:10, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

I've removed the {{coor title dm|55|56|N|3|28|W|region:GB_type:city}} template from the bottom of the page, solving the issue. AndrewJDTALK -- 23:18, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

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external references requiring login

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Several of the references listed in Voice of the Faithful require a username and login to NY TImes site. This does not seem correct. 70.19.161.63 23:31, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

While it's generally preferred that we use references that anyone can access freely and easily, where such sources are available, it's a fact of life that you can often find more comprehensive and reliable sources with extra effort -- sometimes that means logging in or making use of an Infotrac (or similar) account, other times it means running to the library for some reference text. Not sure how much there is we can do about that. *shrug* – Luna Santin (talk) 23:39, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Disappearing entries during Wiki rebooting this evening

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I was entering half-a-dozen more bibliographic entries (books w/authors, dates, publisher, pages, etc.) when I got a sudden notice of your computer rebooting, maintenance, or whatever.

After this notice, all my latest entries for "Further reading" in the article "Invertebrate Paleontology" disappeared!

All that remained in said section was the first half of the alphabet for the books (done 10 minutes earlier by me on another computer).

Can I or somebody retrieve these "lost" entries? Dr.Bastedo 23:54, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Every now and then, the database locks everyone out so that it can catch up to the zillions of edits we make every day. While annoying, it usually doesn't interfere with your editing (aside from the fact that it takes longer), but if it does, try checking the page history. It's possible your edits were saved, but got reverted accidentally by another user with a similar problem. If you think you saved the page, that's probably what happened. If they are not there, than I am afraid you'll have to re-type it. If it's not in the page history, nobody is able to recover it. Sorry, and good luck finding those missing edits. Hersfold ^(talk/work) 00:17, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your response. ♥ Dr.Bastedo 00:23, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

August 9

Using a few pictures for my website

Without going through all these pages on protocol, what do I have to do in order to "copy & paste" a few pictures (for reference) to my website?

From here to your website, it's as simple as right clicking and selecting "Save image as...". Keep in mind, though, that many images here are under some form of copyright. Such images will indicate this on their image page. Others, however, are under free licenses, which allow you to use them however you like as long as you keep to the terms of that license (generally, you have to attribute the author and license any derivatives the same way). Others still are public domain, which means you don't have to worry one little bit about how you use them. Wikimedia Commons has more images, which are all guaranteed to be either free licensed or public domain. Hersfold ^(talk/work) 00:12, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

How do we find out if an existing page has been deleted before?

Wikipedia used to show a "deletion log" for a page, but someone apparently thought that was too much for us and doesn't mention it unless it actually doesn't exist and has been deleted. Previously I could have modified that address to see what I need, but now I seem to have the veil pulled over my eyes. -Theanphibian ^{(talk • contribs)} 00:56, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

You can view the page's log, at <http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=PAGETITLE>, or you can go to a page's history tab, which should include a "view page logs" link. Various user scripts can make this easier, I believe. – Luna Santin (talk) 01:14, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh all right, I didn't think to check the history :P -Theanphibian ^{(talk • contribs)} 01:19, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

h2g2 template has gone.

Chronology:

(a) someone created a h2g2 template for linking to h2g2 Entries;
(b) it was discussed and deleted;
(c) somone else created a template, unaware that one had previously existed;
(d) the template hung around for a while and was used on quite a few pages (I mainly changed already existing h2g2 links to the template version, as it looked neater);
(e) the template was deleted again, with no discussion anywhere that I can find.

Wikipedia_talk:Guide_for_h2g2_Researchers Template_talk:H2g2

Can the template be restored? Or at least discussed?

TRiG 00:59, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

According to the deletion log, which can be viewed here, the template was deleted by administrator Violetriga for "recreation of a deleted template". According to criteria for speedy deletion G4, content may be speedily deleted (deleted w/o discussion or notice) if it is essentially identical to the deleted version and/or does not address the concerns noted. If you'd like to have the template restored, try discussing it with Violetriga, as the deleting admin, or if that fails Deletion Review. Hersfold ^(talk/work) 02:24, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Right. I'm a h2g2 person. So far I've done little more at Wikipedia than correct the occasional typo. I really don't want to get embroiled in any controversy. I think some of the concerns raised in the previous deletion discussion were actually addressed on the talk page of the new template. I'll mention this to Violetriga, but I probably won't fight it.

(From the h2g2 end, we like incoming links, of course. But I need to couch this in terms of its benefits for this project. Let me think about how to phrase this....)

TRiG 14:38, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

I think we need to have a proper discussion about linking the h2g2. I think the site is really good and contains lots of great content, but I don't think that we should link to it (and certainly not use it as a source) just as we wouldn't accept a wiki or a blog in such circumstances. Going by our External links and Reliable sources policies I don't think we should include the links and we should not encourage their inclusion through this template. I'd like to hear other peoples opinions on this. violet/riga (t) 17:53, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Coming to this a little late. I created the second template. Would have preferred to have been told about the speedy deletion, but no big deal. I'm not sure of the exact content of the original template, was it identical to the second? When I created it I certainly wasn't suggesting it be used a source. Some people on the original AfD seemed to think it was advertising, which it wasn't. h2g2 is a tiny project compared to Wikipedia, a few links here ane there, where relevant and appropriate, won't hurt I feel. I designed the template to be kinda like the IMDB one and other similar ones. ie {{imdb title|id=|title=1}} This IMDB template isn't being used as a source (it is very debatable as a reliable source), but as an external site with information relevant to the subject. This is exactly what a similar h2g2 Guide Entry is to a Wikipedia article. H2g2 GEs are often more light-hearted and humourous. Stu ^{’Bout ye!} 21:17, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Joe Ninety

I tried creating an account two hours ago but since given up. I was going to write something baseed on a citation to do with a specticle wearing pupet creation. Anyway,Wikipedia are right. My brother is 39 now,wears lenses and goes by the name "Joe" or "Ninety"...True,kids were considered brainiaks.(it was also rumoured they could spell & read). He took his flak on the chin.Gnite —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.142.109.173 (talk)

If you have problems with account creation then see Wikipedia:Request an account. PrimeHunter 01:49, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Move tab not visible

Hi. I need to rename a topic because of a minor typo, and all sources say to click on the Move tab at the top of the page. I do not see the tab anywhere, regardless of which skin I'm in. Any clue why I might not be able to see it? I can't find the answer anywhere in the FAQ section. Thanks! Tominterval 02:16, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Your account must be at least four days old in order to move or create pages. This is for security purposes, to prevent vandals from creating one-time use accounts to move and create pages disruptively. Hersfold ^(talk/work) 02:26, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you! That makes sense. Tominterval 02:30, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

I guess this was about Jerry interval. I have moved it to Jerry Interval. PrimeHunter 03:27, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Loan application

I have problem to get loan

The Help Desk is for questions about Wikipedia. In addition, Wikipedia cannot help you with legal or financial matters. You'll have to ask your bank --Lucid 03:28, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

If you cannot get a loan, that means you are a poor credit risk according to formulas developed by banks over centuries of experience with making and collecting on millions of loans. Also see Credit Scorecards and Consumer Credit Risk. Speaking from my own personal experience of lending money to friends, when banks refuse to lend money to people, those people generally won't repay anyone else who chooses to be more foolish than the banks. --Teratornis 06:42, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

redlinking

What is redlinking exactly?

Redlinks are created for topics that are notable enough to have their own article, but for which no article has yet been created. The theory is that you link words/terms relevant to the topic. Those reading the article which includes the redlinks may be knowledgeable in the redlink topic and create an article for it. Lara♥Love 03:52, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Another common practice is to create stubs to avoid redlinks. I've made more than my share of stubs. Most have turned into nice articles over time. -- Kainaw^(what?) 04:11, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

How do I change the page title

How do I change the page title?

It should be The_Rustlers but its The_rustlers

Thanks

To change the page title, click the "move" button and move the page to the name you want. You will need to wait 4 days before you can move on a new account. Unfortunately, your article does not meet notability guidelines and will probably not be accepted on Wikipedia unless more reputable third party sources are included. --_Hdt83 ^Chat 04:47, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

163

163是中国最大的门户网站之一。昨天，我编辑你们的“163”条目，写一句关于这个网站。但过了几个小时，那句被别人删除了。为什么？

The place to add it would be 163 (disambiguation) if the website was worth its own article, but please use English. Tim Q. Wells 05:14, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

In fact it does have its own article (163.com) and I've added it to the disambiguation page. Tim Q. Wells 05:18, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

The link at the top of 163 should point to 163 (disambiguation) and not 163 (number). --Kaypoh 05:28, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

你的文章中的位置是不对的,现在已经进行了更新. 同时,请写英语,因为这是英语百科. (The location of your article was wrong and now it has been updated. Also, please write in English because this is the English Section of Wikipedia.) TheAsianGURU 23:34, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

disscussions

Are anonymous editors allowed to participate in disscussions that involve voting like when articles are being deleted? 71.112.231.216 06:52, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes, they are allowed to participate in deletion debates. Giggy ^Talk 06:54, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

However, it is my understanding that !votes from unregistered and newly registered users do not carry as much weight toward consensus. Lara♥Love 06:57, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, but that's not true. The arguments of the debaters are to be considered. Of course, when a meatpuppet registers and casts a vote (without an argument), it does not carry much weight, but neither do votes without a comment from established editors. Melsaran 11:05, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

(ec) Well, firstly, deletion discussions are based on reference to policies and consensus, and care is taken not to call the process voting as Voting is evil (although I see they moved the meta page to "Polls are evil"). But yes, as long as they're there to present an argument based on those concepts, anonymous editors are generally not banned from such discussions. That said, on occasion some discussions attract a lot of meatpuppets and such who disrupt the discussion so much that the AfD has to be semi-protected. This is very rare, though, and will normally be noted. Also, I will again recommend that your discussion cover relevant policies and guidelines, because in such discussions there is a strong tendency for anonymous editors to use arguments listed in WP:AADD, and as such anon editors without strong arguments are sometimes not given as much weight as established editors. Confusing Manifestation 06:59, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Anonymous users are welcome to discuss all sorts of matters on Wikipedia, and comments by 'A.U.'s are still valued just as much as ones by established users I would say. Lradrama 14:33, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Geraldunc vandal

I tried to report this vandal on the Wikipedia section concerning reporting to an administrator several times. Could someone please take care of this for me? I've been trying to get this resolved for the last several hours but it hasn't work. Thanks.

The problem

Geraldunc (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) does not understand the rules governing Wikipedia concerning sourced information and vandalism. He has repeatedly vandalized the Don Perata article. The user deleted information that was provided by other contributors and sources and replaced that information with an unsourced argument (revisions on 07:27, 24 July 2007 and 07:34, 24 July 2007). On July 29, 2007, I removed the unsourced information and posted an explanation on the Don Perata talk page and on the user's talk page. Garaldunc proceeded to again remove sourced information and sources from the article and replaced the information with unsourced material (05:25, 7 August 2007, 05:36, 7 August 2007, 05:37, 7 August 2007). I tagged Garaldunc's changes as vandalism and reverted the page back to its previous version (05:46, 8 August 2007, 05:48, 8 August 2007, 05:48, 8 August 2007). I explained my actions on the Don Perata talk page (17:53, 8 August 2007) and warned Geraldunc on his talk page (06:01, 8 August 2007). Then, Geraldunc again vandalized the Don Perata article (21:48, 8 August 2007). He used information I provided on my User page to find my personal email address (which is not listed on my user profile). He sent me the following threatening email:

"YOU are the one who is printing unsubstantiated "storis. EBE has repeatedly printed unverified, undocumented, non-sourced crap about Perata and I have to assume by continuing this crap YOU are part of Bobbie's world - his boyfriend perhaps. The most recent story - about Perata's "lavish lifestyle" is so misleading it is basically a lie - for you college boys, that's called "Libel" in legal circles. Are you two so stupid you don't realize the expenditures listed were for FUNDRAISERS??? I notice in listing those thousand dollar dinners, nowhere in there did Bobbie Gagmee point out there were, for example, dozens of people dining - most of whom paid for the evening. Obviously you have never run a successful non-profit and held a fundraiser. Obviously you have never run a successful political campaign. It takes money, it takes events, it takes relationships. So if YOU continue to fuck with the Perata Wikipedia listing, I'll not only have you banned, I'll have you sued. Thanks for giving me your real name. Nothing that I put in that post was UNTRUE - Bobbie has a history of writing slanted stories about Perata. That is TRUE and verifiable. Bobbie has never listed a single named source for his allegations against Perata - that is TRUE and verifiable. Bobbie has thrown Perata's name into any story about any Eastbay political figure even if it meant reaching back to Perata having met the person 10 years ago - that is TRUE and it's verifiable. You have NOTHING verified, yours is simply a repeat of insinuations. But enough about Perata. I think it's time to post Wikis on you and your boyfriend. You poor pathetic little nobody. God, it gets old having to hear from losers like you who have nothing beside their name except blog credits and the fact they're still in school and living with their mommies."

I admit that the East Bay Express isn't the SF Chronicle. Some of his arguments might be valid but without verification of those arguments and combined with the vandalism of his actions in general (deleting sources, sources information, etc.) this user needs to be blocked. Although the user needs to be blocked and was very disrespectful to me, I will try to address his criticism.

I'll forward this to WP:ANI. Shalom ^Hello 13:28, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Flickr images & Wikipedia

Hi there, what is the 101 on flickr images? How do I know if I can copy them to Wikipedia Commons, and what license(s) is/are needed? Thanks for reading. —Onomatopoeia 09:23, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Some of the most popular licenses that are acceptable are CC-BY, CC-BY-SA, GFDL, GPL, and Free Art License (as well as public domain materials). You can get more detailed information from the Commons licensing page. --Sopoforic 09:46, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

See also [7]. Melsaran 11:06, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Gee, thnx! —Onomatopoeia 12:23, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Infoboxes

hello

• firstly is there somewhere a compleat list of all the infoboxes/geoboxes/etc that there are. ive seen Wikipedia:Infobox templates but im sure there must be more.

• secondly is there an infobox for a woodland or forest?

thanks --Deathorglory999 10:15, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

For your second question: probably not, I couldn't find it in any of the forest categories. For your first question: no idea. Melsaran 11:46, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

For your first question, Category:Infobox templates is not complete but it has more than Wikipedia:Infobox templates. PrimeHunter 12:35, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

You can search Wikipedia's Template: namespace with Google. Searching for keywords such as forest infobox, woodland infobox, arboretum infobox does not find anything that looks promising. Generally when you cannot find the kind of infobox you want, you can look for some more general infobox. Or examine articles that are similar to the article you want to create or edit, and see what infoboxes they use. For example, if the type of forest you have in mind would belong on List of U.S. National Forests, you can click through the links on that page until you find an article with an infobox you like. Studying example pages can often be better than searching for keywords, because you might not guess keywords that appear in existing pages that do what you want. --Teratornis 19:16, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Amazingly, I had to click through more than a dozen links on List of U.S. National Forests before I found an article which contains an infobox (Sequoia National Forest); the infobox is: {{Infobox protected area}}. Someone should go through all those national forest articles and infobox them up. Given the number of national forests in the U.S. alone, they could justify having their own infobox. --Teratornis 19:23, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

RSS

Can I get the Wikepedia Main Page as an RSS feed?

I'm not an expert, but per WP:RSS, it appears that you can get portions of the site as an RSS feed. The main page itself doesn't change often, because it's built from different templates that change daily (Wikipedia:Today's featured article/August 9, 2007, {{In the news}}, etc.), but maybe you can get the feed from one of those pages? tiZom_(2¢) 12:58, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

clock which says about life of earth

about clock which says the about the life of earth

Are you thinking of the Doomsday Clock? --Cherry blossom tree 13:18, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Notebook problems

my daughter has a power note book, and uses Safari as her web broswer...When I IM her, after several minutes, she is shut down, and has to reboot in order to communicate. This happens repetitively and is very annoying..What can she do to stop this from happening? A very frusted father...

I'm sorry, we're only able to assist with problem on Wikipedia. I would recommend you check the help files on your daughter's programs for information on how to correct the problem yourself or how to contact tech support. Hersfold ^(talk/work) 14:42, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

And there's the Computing Reference desk. Unfortunately, I'm not a Mac user so I can't help: But there are folks on that Reference desk that might be able to. x42bn6 Talk Mess 17:12, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

How to create the same article in different langage

Hi all, I'd like to ask if it is possible (and how) to create an article with the same subject-title but in different language ex. the main article is in English and I want to write it (with more info) in Greek language. And last one, how to connect the 2 articles;

Thnx

The Greek language Wikipedia is located at el.wikipedia.org. You can create an account there and write the article (there is no single sign-on yet). For other Wikipedias, see meta:List of Wikipedias. To connect the two articles, use interwiki linking. For example, [[en:Foo]] in the Greek Wikipedia article, and [[el:FooInGreek]] in the English Wikipedia article. utcursch | talk 15:00, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Just to make sure, don't put a greek article on this English Wikipedia. Just thought I'd add that - folk have done worse things than putting foreign articles on this website you know! Lradrama 15:32, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Thnx a lot. Very quick response! Kapetannikolas 10:50, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Best medical site?

Which medical site is best? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Writs (talk • contribs)

This page is for help with Wikipedia, rather than help in general. Perhaps one of the reference desks could help if you are more specific in what you mean by "best". Leebo ^T/C 15:08, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes, do you mean which is the best medical site to use as a reference (or something similar)? Lradrama 15:13, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Also keep in mind that Wikipedia does not give medical advice. Hersfold ^(talk/work) 15:14, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Pre-populated Subject line

Hello, is there a way to automatically prepopulate the subject line in an email when using the following: mailto:emailaddress name ?

Is this a Wikipedia-related question? If not, it shouldn't be here. Lradrama 15:33, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes its for my wiki :)

Bpomykala 15:34, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

If it's for your wiki, the answer to Lradrama's question would be "no." We are only able to offer assistance with the English Wikipedia, operated by the Wikimedia Foundation. I'd suggest searching online for one of those HTML tutorial sites. Hersfold ^(talk/work) 15:54, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Try this:

[mailto:username@domain?subject=Hello_there]

It seems to work on one of my MediaWiki wikis. In my quick testing, I did not find a way to get a true space character between words in the subject. (  did not quite work, for example.) --Teratornis 18:45, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Note: questions about MediaWiki belong here:

• mw:Project:Support desk

and you can search the extensive documentation and discussion on these wikis for clues about many problems:

• Search Meta with Google
• Search MediaWiki.org with Google

but we get lots of such questions on the Wikipedia Help desk anyway. --Teratornis 18:50, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Content Control By Reader Assignment

I am attempting to implement a wiki as an internal procedure repository.

The readers of this content are divided by customer base (e.g. readers in dept X service customer Y while readers in dept A service customer B) and would like to see content branded (logo,colors,font) for their customer.

Readers are occasionally loaned from one dept to another to assist in servicing tasks.

Although most procedures are common across customers, there are exceptions.

Whan a reader is servicing a customer that has an exceptional procedure, I want the reader to see the customer's procedure, not the common procedure.

What approach would best suit this type of arrangement?

• Branding via CSS?
• Transclusion/Redirection via template parameters? (This becomes cumbersome with 20 or more exceptions.)

Just looking for some guidance. Thank you.

DT14012 15:56, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't understand why the readers of an internal wiki care about what it looks like; I would think the part to worry about first is getting the right procedure to the service representative. Then maybe later worry about the cosmetics. Have the people who are asking for the decorative frills justified the cost of adding them? (E.g., has anyone demonstrated that "branding" the content with logo, colors, and font is going to increase someone's productivity by an amount sufficient to offset the cost of building that stuff?) You did not specify what wiki software you are using. As wiki software packages differ from each other, the "best" approach will vary with the package.

If you want to use MediaWiki, here are some ideas:

• If you don't have too many different departments, you could implement a separate wiki for each department. MediaWiki is not too difficult to install, but it lacks any tools for administering a wiki farm, so if you have many departments, the multiple wiki approach could get awkward.
• You can customize a user's view of a MediaWiki wiki by learning how to write your own skins. I've never done that myself.

If you opt for the single-wiki approach, you have to decide who or what will process the conditional branch on "customer." If you want the wiki to handle this automatically, you may be in for some tough sledding with MediaWiki, because it's clear from the example of Wikipedia that MediaWiki isn't designed to conditionally morph its content (which is not to say you could not do that, but you would probably have to become a MediaWiki hacker). Everybody who looks at an article on Wikipedia gets the same article, and MediaWiki is primarily designed to run Wikipedia - if what you want to do is what Wikipedia does, MediaWiki is a great choice. If you opt for multiple wikis, then your service reps will process the conditional branch themselves by logging in to the wiki for a particular customer. To dynamically modify content on a single wiki, branching on "customer," you might need to build what is called a wiki application, and MediaWiki might not be the most convenient platform.

Wikipedia's Help desk is not the best venue for your question, as the instructions at the top of this page indicate. If you have specific questions about setting up your own wiki, you should direct them to the venue for the wiki software in question. For example, questions about MediaWiki belong here:

• mw:Project:Support desk

and you can search the extensive documentation and discussion on these wikis for clues about many problems:

• Search Meta with Google
• Search MediaWiki.org with Google

--Teratornis 16:53, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

I might add that one cheap way to "brand" (or pseudo-brand) content on a MediaWiki wiki would be with infobox templates. You could make infobox templates specific to each customer, and that would condition your service reps to look in the upper right corner of a wiki page to visually identify the customer associated with the page. It would still be the service rep's job to look up the procedure for the customer. --Teratornis 17:19, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

What's the Working On Tag?

Previously on this site, I've seen a tag on an article that asked Wikipedians to please not edit the page at the moment due to someone making a very large edit.

I'm wishing to use that tag now, but I can't remember what it had been. If you know what tag I'm describing, please tell me the code for it. Thanks. TheInfinityZero 16:37, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

I believe you're looking for Template:Inuse. --ElKevbo 16:45, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes, that was exactly what I was looking for. Thank you. TheInfinityZero 16:49, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Bookmark/Favorite

Is there any way to bookmark articles that I would like to come back to at a later time, or that I don't want to forget to read if I stumble across them on my long traverses across wikipedia. I don't think the "watch" function is appropriate for this. Maybe there is a better third party option that people use? Obviously my browser's "favorites" feature is an option, but it would be tedious with all that I would like to bookmark. Am I the only one who thinks a feature like this would be a good idea for those with accounts?

Well, the watchlist can be used as more than just a selective recent changes list. If you go to edit and view watchlist, it's somewhat like a favorites list. It also lets you see pages that are currently redlinked (after deletion or prior to creation). Leebo ^T/C 18:05, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the quick answer. Will everything I add to my wishlist be deleted after the max of 7 days that I can set in my preferences?

Items are not removed from your watchlist after the number of days you set, that's just the amount of time for recent changes to articles you watch. The items will remain on your list after 7 days have passed (though the recent change will fall off) and if someone edits the article again, you'll see the change pop up to the top. Leebo ^T/C 18:47, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

A thank you for creating a new article and a request for a new one

Thank you so much for creating the article for Kohei Kiyasu. I really appreciate that. Would you be so kind as to create an article for Miyako Endou and title it "Miyako Endō" and make some redirections for the article on her be "Miyako Endou", "Miyako Endo", and "Miyako Endô"? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.14.216.60 (talk • contribs) 18:25, August 9, 2007 (UTC)

As an unregistered user, you can get help creating this article at Wikipedia:Articles for creation. Leebo ^T/C 18:51, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

cite web

The 105th citation using the {{cite web}} template at Chris Young (pitcher) is not working.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 19:13, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

[ and ] can't be used in links because they interfere with the link syntax; I've replaced them by the corresponding HTML entities [ and ], now the link (and thus the output of Template:cite web) is OK. --Dapeteばか 20:18, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

How do I create two pages from a highjacked page?

I orginally created the page Gator Country to describe a Southern Rock band.

I now find that page to be completely rewritten (by an anon user) to describe a completely different punk band with the same name.

I think that a disambiguation is needed such that two pages are referenced, one for the southern rock band and one for the punk band.

However I'm not sure which or how to use a disambiguation template for doing this.

If an example using a proper template can be pointed to I can create both pages (or three pages including a disambiguous page?).

I'm not sure the anon user's complete rewite of the topic rises to the level of vandalism but at least that user should have created a seperate page so that both bands can coexist on the wiki.

Any help on how to create both pages with a proper disambiguation will allow me to change so that both bands can be represented.

Karstdiver 20:27, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Everything a Wikipedia editor could need to know about disambiguation (probably) is here:

• User:John Broughton/Editor's Index to Wikipedia#Dis

The unregistered user appears to have no other edits except to Gator Country: Special:Contributions/75.3.249.208, at least under that IP address. Thus we can assume good faith which in this case would equate to some substantial gaps in knowledge of Wikipedia's guidelines. --Teratornis 22:34, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Adding facts to a page

Hello, I am writing concerning a page that needs to add a very important fact into it, currently left out.

How does that process work?

Sincerely, johnnap12

Just click the "edit this page" link at the top of the article, or the "[edit]" link at the beginning of the relevant section. Make sure that whatever facts you add are adequately referenced. For more information, see Help:Editing. Hersfold ^(talk/work) 20:54, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Missing templates

For some reason, all of the sudden, I cannot see certain templates. They are: Template:German Empire Divisions, Template:German Empire Corps, and Template:German Armoured Divisions of World War II. When I click on "edit this page" the text of each template is there, so I know they haven't been blanked, but I cannot see them, just the title of the template and the "v-d-e" links on the upper left. Other templates appear normally. Does anyone know what might be causing this? Airbornelawyer 20:55, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

This is not a technical fault - on the right hand side of the templates, there is a ^[Show] link. If you click it you will see the template. It's used to save on article space when there are lot's of pages that need to be indexed there. AndrewJDTALK -- 21:59, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, there wasn't a ^[Show] link showing (no pun intended) because I didn't have Javascript enabled for Wikipedia. I see it now. Airbornelawyer 22:15, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

supplies and schedules

How do you look for school supplies and schedules of school bus stops in the west ashely area. Abd for when school starts and ends

Well, if you're looking for information about the West Ashley area, go to the West Ashley article. If you are looking for specific things that may not be on Wikipedia, try going to the reference desk. Neranei ^T/C 22:59, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Protocol for editing an article where a situation has substantially changed

This is in reference to the page "Cookie Diet". It has been edited back and forth over the years due to conflicting views on what "Cookie Diet" really was, who invented it, who had the rights to it, etc. I don't want to edit the page without understanding the correct protocol.

Until recently, several organizations have claimed rights to the term "Cookie Diet" and used the term to describe their specific weightloss programs. They are currently representing in the "Cookie Diet" page.

While other parties have attempted to appropriate Dr. Siegal’s Cookie Diet trademark and/or associate their products and services with the Cookie Diet trademark, in early 2007, Dr. Siegal filed a Federal lawsuit against one such party. On Friday, July 13, 2007, a United States Federal Court in Miami entered a preliminary injunction in favor of Dr. Siegal and declared, among other things, that Dr. Siegal has “nationwide ownership” of the Cookie Diet trademark.

So there is no other weightloss program that can be entitled "Cookie Diet". Mind also that this program is over 25 years old and has been featured in numerous media spots including Good Morning America and Women's World Magazine.

As a result, "Cookie Diet" is not a descriptive term that applies to various weight loss systems. It is a trademarked brand name for a specific system of weight loss and associated hunger-suppressing foods developed by Dr. Sanford Siegal.

In recent months, other parties, including Smart for Life and Appetizer Diet have tried to usurp Dr. Siegal’s Cookie Diet trademark. Among the ways they have done so is to edit the Wikipedia Cookie Diet article, adding to it false associations between the Cookie Diet and their unrelated products and services.

In so doing, these companies have confused the public as to the source and origin of the genuine Cookie Diet.

Since a Federal Court has ruled in no uncertain terms that the term “Cookie Diet” refers to, and is a trademark of, Dr. Sanford Siegal, the article should represent only the program developed by Dr. Siegal.

How should I proceed to set the record straight?

Jason Siegal 21:11, 9 August 2007 (UTC)spinware

You should rewrite the article to describe his diet, but you should still note that other people previously used the term "cookie diet" to describe their own programs. -Amarkov moo! 21:19, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

searching

Hello,

How do I set it up so that if you search for a key word my page will come up? I would like Jean-Pierre Canlis to show up when you search for "canlis" but right now only Canlis Restaurant comes up.

Thank you 65.102.184.25 23:50, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

As the Canlis Restaurant article had been deleted the calis redirection page was redundent so I have changed the redirect for you to redirect to the Jean-Pierre Canlis article. 23:57, 9 August 2007 (UTC)Andy^reply

August 10

Rosicrucians

You are asking for contribution to Alchemy. I have 66 large pages of manuscript from 1777 Goldnen Rosen Kreuz convention and reformation held in Prague, which includes pages on alchemy. BUT! When I tried to register as your member this failed when giving my password. Can we communicate by e-mail info@greenglobe.com.au? Your instruction and lessons how to write are to complicated for old farth like me. I have written a book Masonic Enigma, one chapter deals with Rosicrucians. I could send you this, or whole book on CD; if you co-operate with me to find a publisher or an agent. In such case I would even try to translate those 66 pages (it is in old German). It was hidden from Hitler and smuggled out before communists could get it in Prague and now I have it in Sydney. Historians around the world are looking for this information; two conventions were held in 1994 and 1996 in Bohemia, this year in Edinburgh. Your information on Rosicrucians and Freemasonry are right and agree with my finding: Sufi (I learned from them in Fez when working in Casablanca)220.233.222.110 00:12, 10 August 2007 (UTC), then Templars, Scotland, Royal Society; but important is that time of Emperor Rudolf II and European Renaisance. There we come to miracles like when I found on a footpath in Sydney two shopping bags with books, half of them in Czech language including two volumes of chronicle from that era describing clan of Rozmbergs and my mother's birthplace, ancestors and even colection of picture which includes two houses with my mother's family name. But I need co-operation with profesional historian to publish it. Vladimir Vicourek

If it's not published, it would be classed as original research and therefore unsuitable for inclusion in a wikipedia article - sorry. --Fredrick day 13:17, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

How to

How to find information on external environment for E-Bay in the US and AsiaFreddiep59 01:36, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

The help desk is for questions regarding how to use Wikipedia. The reference desk may be able to help you with this. Lara♥Love 02:01, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Is there a place where all the current anti-vandal tools in use can be discussed?

...Instead of going through the talk page for each tool. I still do RCP the old school way and have thought about picking up one of the tools for my own use but am not yet sure which one to use and which would be good across both Firefox and IE. Thanks. BrokenSphere 01:45, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi you might look at this page. It has links to the most popular tools (among other helpful information). The talk page there might be the place to get some good advice on tool selection. Dust Filter 02:17, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

i have been listing to your show in the moring

i would like to take my husband to see zz top but i cant rember where in eugene oregon they our playiing or did i hear wrong? my husband listens to you when he can . if you can please tell me if you can if they our playing in eugene or not thanks very much lynn and cathy

The help desk is for questions regarding how to use Wikipedia. The reference desk may be able to help you with this. Lara♥Love 02:02, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

And I'm fairly sure Wikipedia is not a radio station, although there may be a related podcast or something (definitely not one that would talk about ZZ Top tours, though). Confusing Manifestation 02:12, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Ah, I didn't even notice the title, I just read the question. Morning show... what's up with that? This is an online encyclopedia. Not a radio station. Lara♥Love 02:15, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

My guess is that Lynn and Cathy googled their local radio station, landed at our article about it, and thought they'd found the station's official website. AndyJones 07:58, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Problems with picture format on the Maccabees page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maccabees#The_revolt

Hi. On the Wikipedia page about the Maccabees, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maccabees#The_revolt, there are two problems:

1. the edit is buried in the middle of the text instead of appearing at the top of the section

2. there is an 1844 painting by Wojciech Stattler entitled, "Machabeusze" (Maccabees) that is partially covering/blocking one line of the Wikipedia text.

I don't know how to fix these format problems so perhaps you can.

Thank you, 200.107.49.97 02:07, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't see the problems you noted. Perhaps it's just a glitch in your browser. Lara♥Love 02:17, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Help

Hello my account username name is Ccjjccj69222 and I was wondering how do you cancel your account. ThanksCcjjccj69222 02:23, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

You can't, just stop using it. You can also have it renamed if you would like. Prodego ^talk 02:51, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Due to the fact that Wikipedia content is licensed under the GFDL, all edits must be kept for attribution purposes, and so your account cannot be deleted. You do, however, have the right to vanish, which you can exercise by (1) requesting your user page (found at Special:Mypage) and/or user talk page (found at Special:Mytalk) be deleted, by adding the {{db-userreq}} template to them; (2) requesting to change your username to something that is unconnected with you (possibly a random collection of letters and numbers); (3) never logging in to your account again. If you do this, you are still free to register a new username if you wish to continue editing Wikipedia. Confusing Manifestation 03:40, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Login Problems

I am not able to login using Login and password sometimes but later able to login.But I can access Wikipedia without login.I need your advice it is only occurs rarely normally able to login.I use a public network normally.Normally my login and password work properly. Harlowraman 02:47, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Image copyright/derivative works

I was wondering whether the uniforms/helmets in this picture as well as this one would be considered derivative works. Either way, what kind of copyright tag should they carry? Thanks in advance. BlueAg09 (Talk) 04:27, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Probably not; the photos are of people playing football, and those people just happen to be wearing uniforms. If the photos were close-ups of the uniform tacked up on the wall, or some other situation which made it clear that the uniform was the subject of the photo, that might be a problem. But in cases where the inclusion is incidental, not a big worry. – Luna Santin (talk) 04:32, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

How credible is wikipedia?

How can wikipedia source be applied to my university work?

If you're asking how to cite wikipedia, see: Citing Wikipedia. If you're asking if you can use material found in a Wikipedia article in work that you are submitting for credit at university, see Wikipedia:General disclaimer. It's really at your own risk. The best articles on Wikipedia will have a bunch of references to reliable sources that you can follow. Those (the reliable source, that is) would probably be better sources for work that you're submitting in university. Sancho 06:26, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Many universities impose a blanket ban on citing Wikipedia in your work and will mark you down/fail you if you do so. Wikipedia should NEVER be used as an academic resource (and for good reason since there is no editorial control over the information that gets added). What you should do is look at the "References" and "External links" sections and use the information from those sources directly. Zunaid©® 06:47, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

I'd have to disagree! There is no reason as to why Wikipedia cannot be used as a reference, but be aware of articles not having any/few sources. No matter what you use as a reference, it's always a good idea to find multiple sources for anything, just to be safe. Bjelleklang - talk Bug Me 09:58, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

I disagree also with a point made by Zunaid above. Wikipedia SHOULD by all means be used as an academic resource, and it is good to see that it is, and widely. This is not to say that you should not exercise caution, though because yes, anybody can put whatever they like on here. What people don't seem to be able to grasp, is that usually this gets spotted and removed, thanks to people working hard in various Wikiprojects. A well-cited article is what I would encourage anybody to use providing they've checked the history of that article first. Lradrama 10:59, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

What a terrible idea - Wikipedia should NOT be used as an academic source, while I would not fail a student who used it, I'd have to wonder about their research skills and why they were unable to find peer-reviewed academic sources to back their findings/conclusions. This is what Jimbo has to say about the matter Mr. Wales said that he gets about 10 e-mail messages a week from students who complain that Wikipedia has gotten them into academic hot water. “They say, ‘Please help me. I got an F on my paper because I cited Wikipedia’” and the information turned out to be wrong, he says. But he said he has no sympathy for their plight, noting that he thinks to himself: “For God sake, you’re in college; don’t cite the encyclopedia.” --Fredrick day 13:12, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

The recommendation not to use Wikipedia really applies to all encyclopedias. Citing encyclopedias (let alone unreliable online encyclopedias) in scholastic research shows poor form. Leebo ^T/C 13:19, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Exactly - if university students want to cite wrong information, they should use Nature. WilyD 14:02, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

I wish schools would teach students how to edit their papers on a wiki. Then those students would enter productive employment already knowing something about how to use the most productive technology for collaboration yet invented (and they could get right to work on corporate wikis). It's inefficient for employers to have to train new hires to do something that schools should be teaching all the kids who aren't smart enough to figure it out via RTFM on their own. Flunking students for using Wikipedia as a source misses the whole point. Value in the real world doesn't come merely from reciting information that is already on a wiki, but from knowing how to contribute to a structure of knowledge. The real value of Wikipedia for students is not just the content in the articles, but the procedural knowledge in the project space. Learning how Wikipedia organizes itself would teach students how to organize anything. And unlike most examples of human organization, the workings of Wikipedia are almost entirely accessible to students or anyone else who wants to see how it all operates. --Teratornis 01:34, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

I should clarify one of my comments above: value can come from reciting information that has been pre-packaged by someone else, but the mere use of pre-existing information is something we typically associate with low-level employment, or employment in industries where the pace of change is extremely slow. People who work in new areas of technology or in companies that are finding new markets must collect lots of unfamiliar information and somehow shape it into the procedural knowledge that they themselves (or lower-level hires) can just use. Obviously, there are many more people who can use existing information in established procedures than there are people who can create usable structures of information where none exist yet. Wikipedia provides a remarkably accessible example of how masses of people can collaborate to create order out of chaos, without the need for wasteful physical travel and meetings, and any educator who lets students graduate without learning from this example is seriously shortchanging them. --Teratornis 01:47, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

admin??

If I put admin tag, I am admin, is it that simple?

unfortunaly no, i have not heard about the admin tag but see, WP:RFA Blacksmith2 ^talkEditor Review 09:08, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

So that userbox saying u are an admin dosen't really work... WHy can users even put it there?

Wikipedia is a wiki... if you see a fake admin userbox/icon on another user's page, you can just remove it from that page. There are several other ways to check if a user really is an admin (Special:Listusers/sysop being the definitive list). ais523 09:29, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

As for the box, it's a simple way of letting other users know that you're an admin, and it also puts you i the admin category. Bjelleklang - talk Bug Me 09:49, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

You must put up a request for adminship (RfA) if you wish to become an admin. It isn't easy, believe me! Lradrama 11:01, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

No way! Mine bombed. Turned out only supporters were SPAs My RFA is located at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/SLSB SLSB talk • contrib 13:42, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Wiki-wide suggestion needing (where?) discussion and consensus

Hello, and thanks in advance for your time. I'd been a bit discouraged with the varied and often user-unfriendly aspects of many Wikipedia articles, and after a lot of thought and research, came up with a proposition to divide naming methods into a simple three "method categories": "people', "places" and "things". The idea so far seems well-recieved, but attention to the subject is little, in spite of its prominent place on WP:NAME (with added "Wider attention" tag), it is getting little attention. I would really like to give this a chance to become policy, but as it concerns all Wiki, I see little where or how best to do this.

You can find the proposition here.

While I'm here: I'm curious to know what naming methods the printed version of Wiki uses. The same? How is it organised? Thanks.

THEPROMENADER 09:31, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Most questions on the Help desk get some sort of response pretty quickly, even questions that have nothing to do with Wikipedia. To pose a question here that gets ignored as long as yours did might amount to something of an accomplishment (although I suppose I'm spoiling it a bit by responding). I don't know if I can understand your proposal, but I can suggest how you might sell it better. For starters, try to avoid these stereotypical nube tells:

• You seem to be confusing the word Wiki with Wikipedia. In particular, capitalizing the word Wiki as if it is a proper noun refers to the original wiki, WikiWikiWeb.
• You used an external link rather than an internal link to your talk page discussion (although to your credit, you did sign your question, so you are not an übernoob at least).

These tells do not reflect on the merits of your proposal, in a strictly logical sense, but they do indicate to experienced metapedians (the people you are trying to engage in discussion) that you might not be very experienced here yet - or if you are, you somehow missed a couple of pretty basic lessons. That is not a problem in itself; every Wikipedia user either was or is new, and no single person knows everything there is to know about Wikipedia. But when you suggest sweeping proposals to change vast numbers of articles on Wikipedia, you had better make sure you are running a tight ship. At a very minimum, you need to show you have a deep enough understanding of Wikipedia to know why things are the way they are currently, and to give people confidence that implementing your suggestion won't trigger off massive side effects you overlooked (which might happen anyway, regardless of how deep your knowledge is - even the most expert humans get things wrong occasionally, especially when trying anything new).

As far as the proposal itself, from my brief skim I'm not sure I see the point. I haven't found Wikipedia's naming conventions to be much of a problem thus far. What do people do with article titles anyway? When I want to find something on Wikipedia, I search for it, or follow links. Both methods provide some robustness against Wikipedia's inconsistent article titles - as long as I can think of a keyword or two, I can usually get to the article I want, or some related articles which lead me to it. Then there is the matter of implementation. It would be difficult just to rename, say, all the South Park episode articles (not that I am suggesting this illustrates what you want to do, I'm just picking a random group of articles), let alone all of Wikipedia. The English Wikipedia has 48,027,211 registered users and probably a similar number of unregistereds, and the number you might rile up through some mass article renaming scheme could be substantial. I suggest reading through a few debates on WP:AFD to see how much energy gets released with just one article deletion - not that you plan to delete anything, but even just moving stuff around can upset lots of people.

This is not to discourage you or anyone else from thinking big, but first you would do well to contribute to Wikipedia in small ways, at least long enough so you figure out how to look up stuff like the printed version of Wikipedia on your own (hint: get to know the Editor's index). There are enough well-documented screaming needs on Wikipedia already; if you champion other people's causes first, you might motivate them to return the favor someday. --Teratornis 22:43, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Actually, not so new, as one of the articles I have spent fighting tooth and nail to improve since over a year has been earmarked for inclusion in the aforementioned printed edition. Lord knows why. All the same, points taken, thanks for the advice. Cheers! THEPROMENADER 21:48, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Image errors

On some images I try to view, such as , they only appear as a red square. Can anyone help? Prototype 01^talk 11:56, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

That one renders fine for me. Perhaps you mean some of the "gate addresses" on Planets in Stargate. A number of these render as a red question mark in a red square (Image:StargateGlyphUnknown.svg), but that's on purpose - I think it means that those components of the "address" weren't disclosed in the TV show(s). -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 12:01, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

I can tell the difference between solid squares and red question marks. It's not just the Glyphs, others appear as squares as well. It could be an error in my browser, but I want to eliminate all possibilities. Prototype 01 12:24, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

You might try the technical section of the village pump; it's likely that if this is an issue anyone else has had, one of the editors who frequent that page will be aware of it, and someone there may be able to offer more precise advice in any case. Joe 05:39, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

It seems likely that your problem is an overzealous adblocker: the URL of that thumbnail image is http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ad/StargateGlyph14.svg/48px-StargateGlyph14.svg.png (note the "/ad/"). Disabling the adblocker, or adding an exception for upload.wikimedia.org, ought to fix the problem. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 22:18, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Multi-Language Wiki

I am on a English language Wikipedia page. How can I change/navigate to German/French or any other language? I see no button to do so and I found no answer in the FAQ. 82.174.247.54 12:34, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Usually underneath the 'toolbox' is a section called "In other languages", which would show the translated article in the available languages. Prototype 01 12:43, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Note Prototype said "available". The different language versions of Wikipedia are written independently. Often they don't have articles on the same topics, and if they do then they are not always linked to each other. The English Wikipedia has many more articles than any other language. PrimeHunter 15:46, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

See also: Wikipedia#Language editions and List of Wikipedias. --Teratornis 16:25, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Also note that even though the English Wikipedia is currently the largest (with 6,888,078 articles, and growing by a few thousand per day), sometimes another language edition of Wikipedia has a larger and more complete article on a given topic. For example, articles about people or places in a non-English-speaking country may receive better coverage in the appropriate language Wikipedia. The German Wikipedia is also large and well-developed, so some articles about people and places in Germany and other German-speaking areas (such as Switzerland and Austria) may have more extensive coverage there. --Teratornis 16:41, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

a false site pretending to be wiki

hey ..i stumbled on this site ..its set out like wiki but i think its a way for people to scam people into giving them there msn email and password detals ..they have even made a flase site with a layout thta looks like wiki to fool people

i just think you ashould be aware of that incase it comes back to you

this is the site

http://www.aboutus.org/MsnBlockerList.com

anyways ..love the site ..i mainly use it for film an game info .. but its good all round stuff .. keep up the good work

dave

They're not pretending to be be Wikipedia - they're just running the same open-source Mediawiki software as Wikipedia. The default look and feel of Mediawiki is largely the same as what the Wikipedia.org website(s) run. But they don't use the Wikipedia logo in the top left corner and they don't appear to call themselves Wikipedia. So I can't see how any deception is intended. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 14:03, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

And as to whether they are doing something untoward by asking for MSN info - that's a matter you should take up with them, their hosting provider, MSN, or law enforcement. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 14:05, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

expert forums

how can i get experts views on solutions for SAP Sales and Distribution?

The help desk is for questions relating to how to use Wikipedia. The reference desk may be able to better help you. Lara♥Love 14:07, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Articles about companies

I've read the guidelines that say no articles about companies and yet I see several within my own industry. They are press release-type desctiptions of the companies and their services. Why are they allowed to stay up on your website? example: Grainger or Fisher Scientific

There's no guideline that says we don't have articles about companies - we'd be a pretty poor encyclopedia without an article about Standard Oil or Microsoft. What we do require is that all articles about companies (and similar organisations) meet the standards of notability specified at WP:CORP. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 14:19, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Also see Wikipedia:Business' FAQ. Not only does Wikipedia have a Microsoft article, but that is a featured article. However, the vast majority of articles on Wikipedia about corporations are of lower quality. If you find any articles that appear to be nothing more than press releases, you can call attention to that by placing an {{advert}} template on them. However, the articles you mention (W. W. Grainger (presumably), and Fisher Scientific), while far from featured article quality, also do not rival the most egregious examples of peacock language I have seen (which is to say, they don't strike me as blatant advertising, but mine is only one opinion out of 48,027,211).

I am curious about why you believe Wikipedia has guidelines that say "no articles about companies." On Wikipedia, we refer to guideline pages by linking to them, so anyone who reads our summary of a guideline can follow our links and see what the guidelines actually say. Casual conversation is full of sloppy references and vague allusions, but wiki technology lets us do far better. Please give us the link to whatever you saw that led you to the idea that Wikipedia allows no articles about companies - we may need to review whatever page that was and make sure it isn't worded misleadingly. --Teratornis 16:19, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

The questioner may have been concerned about Thermo Fisher Scientific (the parent of Fisher Scientific) had some obvious spammy language. I've removed that, leaving a (rather unsatisfactory) stub about what is clearly a notable, CORP-compliant company. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 16:39, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Copyright laws

If a page doesn't have a copyright on the page, it is still implied? I ask because I'm looking for an image of Candice Michelle which I found here. My intent is to contact the copyright holders of various images with the hope that at least one will relicense, but I notice that this site doesn't have a copyright on it, so does that allow one to use the image freely? I'm guessing not, but I figured I'd ask. Lara♥Love 14:32, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it's copyright. Things people write and say and works they create are automatically copyright, even if they don't mark them as such or register the copyright. For something to be included in Wikipedia we have to have proof positive that something either definitely isn't copyrighted or that the real copyright owner definitely does release the work under a free licence. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 14:38, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Alright. That what I figured, but it was worth a shot. I'll work on getting them to change the license then. Thanks. Lara♥Love 14:39, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

See if they've got one without Bigears while you're at it :) -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 14:41, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Base Curves

My prescription is Approx O D; -5.75 +4.25 180 Add 2.50 O S; -5.00 +5.75 001 with a Base Curve requirement of 6.25. So traditionally, my glasses are thin on the inside,(near the nose) but thick on the outside. However my new glasses are polycarbonite and thin across the entire surface. My old optician insist that I need the Base Curve, but the new one says I don't with Poly. The new glasses are difficult to focus through, but seem to work. What is the truth about Base Curves on glasses? I read in your artical that this is applied to contact lens, but made no mention to glasses.

patntedh

The science reference desk may be able to explain the physics of prescription lens better, this page is for help with using Wikipedia. Leebo ^T/C 17:10, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

{{{if}}}

Can someone help me with the {{{IF}}} Function. Thanks,Thedjatclubrock :) (talk) 17:53, 10 August 2007 (UTC).

Sure, I'll reply on your talk page. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 18:02, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

For anyone else with the same question, check on his talk page or go to m:Help:ParserFunctions Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 18:37, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Links

I would like to exchange links with your site. I am a marketing manager for an online marketing agency specializing in law firm marketing. I feel that your site provides excellent complementary content to our site and that a link exchange would be mutually beneficial to both of us. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.92.231.203 (talk • contribs)

Wikipedia does not advertise and most likely is not interested in exchanging links to promote itself. Wikipedia is a neutral encyclopedia, so your intention is slightly misguided. Leebo ^T/C 18:03, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not an advertising provider. Miranda 05:22, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Automatically generated BibTeX entries?

Does Wikipedia plan on/have automatically generated BibTex entries? I'm generating a lot of citations to Wikipedia articles, but if Wikipedia generates these on its own in some manner, I'd rather use the official ones. 158.12.88.100 18:02, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes, we do. It doesn't make much sense to me, but I assume you know what to do with it. Click here, and happy editing. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 18:40, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Custom Signature

I have just now created a custom signature. I rather like it, but is the color distractingly bright? I want to be sure that other users won't be bothered by it before I start using it all over the site. Plasticup ^T/C 18:11, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Trust me I have seen far worse signatures than that. Bright isn't a problem, the big problem is when people use light colours, particularly light greys that don't show up. But no, yours looks fine. AndrewJDTALK -- 18:15, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Can I upload a picture that is a pdf file page? If so, what am I doing wrong?

I'm trying to upload this picture (Image:WeeklyStandard13August2007issue.pdf) of the cover of The Weekly Standard magazine and put it in the infobox at the Wikipedia article for that magazine, but my efforts haven't been successful. Can someone tell me:

(a) whether Wikipedia doesn't allow pdf-file pictures to be used? (Perhaps there's a technical reason)

(b) Am I doing something wrong in the way I'm doing it? I've tried inserting it in the infobox in the way I insert other uploaded pictures, but that doesn't work. I can't even put it on the page in the "thumb" format that I normally do ( [ [:Image:ThisKindaFormat|thumb|right|250px|This kind of format doesn't work either] ])

Noroton 18:48, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm no file format expert, but PDF files are not exactly image formats. The resulting document is presented in graphic form, but it's not like a JPEG or PNG file. It's more like a collection of texts and graphics that requires Adobe reader software to produce an image. Most browsers wouldn't include such software to display such a file within the window. Leebo ^T/C 19:02, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Leebo is correct. I'm actually quite surprised it let you upload the file in the first place, but you're not going to be able to get a pdf to display in an article simply due to its' nature. If you go to the image page and click on the little pdf icon, you can view it that way, but if you want it to display in the article (which I assume you do), you're going to have to find another format (gif, jpg/jpeg, png, svg, or ogg). See Help:Images for more info. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 20:37, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Creating a Form on MediaWiki

Is it possible to create a form which can be used as a survey? We are running MediaWiki at out company.

--24.251.93.190 20:07, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

No, I don't think so. I think you'd have to write an extension (most obviously in PHP, in which MediaWiki itself is written). -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 22:05, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

There are a number of form extensions that could be of use. —Emufarmers^(T/C) 22:29, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Adding Google Analytics to a page?

Is it permissable to add Google Analytics code to a particular wikipedia article page to track how many page views that page receives?

No, and it wouldn't work if you did. There is in essence no way to determine how many page views a given Wikipedia article gets. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 22:03, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Articles

How do you create an ARTICLE?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 13nov95 (talk • contribs)

• This should answer all your questions: Help:Starting a new page.¤~Persian Poet Gal ^(talk) 22:56, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

What is considered little or no context.

See Kolonowskie Thedjatclubrock :) (talk) 23:34, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

I guess you're asking if that article meets CSD A1. The article could certainly use a heck of a lot of expansion, but I would say it does just meet the requirements for a stub. It tell us what the subject is, and provides a little other information besides. Note that this is only my opinion - others may feel differently. If you believe it's too short to qualify as an article, try expanding it (preferred) or put it up at Articles for Deletion. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 00:11, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Afd

According to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Adams Elementary School (Seattle), the decision was to delete it. So why is the article still there? Clarityfiend 23:56, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Uh.... I would ask User:Singularity as the closing admin. There's probably some reason for it which he knows and has forgotten to tell us. :-) Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 00:05, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

There were two articles and I guess Singularity just forgot to delete the other. I have asked. PrimeHunter 00:28, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

August 11

Template:Location map Saskatchewan combining with Template:Infobox Settlement

I created a Template:Location map for Saskatchewan. When I create community, town articles I also use this template. ..Template:Infobox Settlement. If one uses the location map by itself and the infobox by itself like this article St. Louis, Saskatchewan all is OK with the world. However if one wishes the map inside the infobox like perhaps in an article page like this one...Govenlock, Saskatchewan the infobox looks dorky. Is there away to incorporate the template into the infobox without the irrelevant coding ....showing...-->> [[Image:|250px|none|]??? Thank you SriMesh | talk 00:08, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

I can take a look at it. Might take a while, but I'll let you know if I get anywhere. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 00:17, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Ok, the problem is that by putting {{Location map}} in the "image_map" parameter, the infobox is trying to do this: [[Image:{{Location map blah blah}}|250px|none|]]. Obviously, that's not going to work well, and is why we have issues. It looks as though the infobox has the capacity to do essentially the same thing {{Location map}} does - I'd recommend trying to find how to convert it to that code. Sorry, but without blowing up the infobox, there's not much that can be done about it. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 00:28, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Why are you playing games?

Why are you playing games with my real work ? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.52.170.160 (talk)

What are you referring to? This is the only edit by your IP address. PrimeHunter 00:16, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Asking vague questions amounts to playing games with the Help desk. While it can be fun to attempt to fill in the critical information a question omits, in this case the omissions appear insurmountable. At least to me. If you want a meaningful answer, ask a meaningful question, for example by defining what you mean by "games" and "real work." For example, do you have a question about an article on Wikipedia? --Teratornis 01:52, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Source info as part of a fair use statement

I have searched in vain for a detailed answer regarding the proper format for the source statement used in the {{Non-free use rationale}} for images downloaded from web pages. The best I could find Help:Image_page#Fair_use_rationale but that does not even mention the source information as being a required element. Many images tend to use the base url address only as the source. Others use the specific url address of the image that was uploaded. Can you point me to the policy that clearly states what should be used to indicate the source of images copied from web pages? Dbiel ^(Talk) 02:21, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

The essential part is the copyright; sources are generally very useful, and considered a required element since they allow verification of the copyright claim. Basically, give as much information as possible about where you got the image; a link to the most specific page possible is good; you can even date it. However, be aware that if you do not provide a source, your claim about the copyright for the image cannot be verified, and the image will probably end up getting deleted. The policy page is Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria. --Haemo 02:34, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the reply, it gets be closer to the information, but seems to be a bit inaccurate from my POV. See Wikipedia:Non-free_content_criteria

If you download an image from the web, you should give the URL:

Source: Downloaded from http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4280841.stm

I would see the source of the image being: http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40846000/jpg/_40846791_si_afp203body.jpg (as an example of one of the images on the reference page). So I guess my question remains unanswered as to which is right, a specific ulr of the image itself, or as the Wikipedia:Non-free_content_criteria example shows, only the ulr of the page the image was displayed on? Dbiel ^(Talk) 03:02, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Bullying?

I have read about the processes for posting and contributing to Wikipedia and I assuming that changes should be reached by consensus. I have noticed some problems with "proprietorship" by admins on certain pages. Is it not the job of the admin to monitor and remain neutral? I have noticed a certain admin who arbitrarily makes changes and insists they stay that way, even if the group consensus on the talk pages does not agree. Or who makes or reverts changes before discussion can take place. How do we cope with this? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nora Bayes (talk • contribs).

If you are having a problem with another editor, you can try following the steps in dispute resolution. Just remember to always assume good faith. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 02:33, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

31st of july

Hi there I am intrested in finding the picture that was used on the main page of Wiki on the 31st of July 2007. It was the "Todays featured picture" and was a phortograph of a woman swimming in water. If you could help me find out the name of the photographer it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

Kathy Wieden

Hi, Kathy! It seems like the picture you're talking about is Image:Weeki Wachee spring 10079u.jpg; its "today's featured picture" entry was Template:POTD/2007-08-02, and the photographer was Toni Frissell. The image is in the public domain. (By the way, this entry was for the 2nd of August: the picture for the 31st was a cathedral.) Gracenotes^T § 03:34, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Trivia sections

Almost every article I go to has a template called "This contains a trivia section" under trivia content. If I remove it, you'll get mad at me and threaten to never let me edit anything ever again. What should I do? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.14.216.60 (talk • contribs)

Why are you removing the template?--Max Talk (+) 06:08, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

What you should do is help us out by trying to incorporate the trivia facts into the rest of the article. Trivia sections are not considered encyclopedic, so we try to remove them whenever possible. Only when the trivia section no longer exists can the template actually be removed without a problem. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 14:38, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Different colored text

How do you make specific words different colors?

Yes, you can. In general, the best way to do this is to use <span> HTML tags. For example:

a <span style="color: red">red</span> word

displays as:

a red word

The 16 colors you can use are aqua, black, blue, fuchsia, gray, green, lime, maroon, navy, olive, purple, red, silver, teal, white, and yellow.

this is colored by a <span style="color: #F9F9B0">hex triplet</span>

displays as:

this is colored by a hex triplet

The 6-digit value is a color hex triplet.

You can also use the <fontgt; tag to make words certain colors, but span is a bit more useful (and more flexible). Gracenotes^T § 05:52, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Creating articles

I don't know how to create an article on Wikipedia! Will you please list every step on how to do it?

See Wikipedia:Your first article. — E ^talk_bots 06:29, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Accusations

Why are you accusing me of vandalizing things?! :(

Because adding nonsense like this to the Help Desk page (which someone using the same IP address as you did) is considered vandalism. DH85868993 06:47, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Changing Article names

{{helpme}} Uh, how are you capable of changing the names of specific articles, like Mr. Crocker?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.14.216.60 (talk • contribs). (PS: )

Articles are renamed by moving them. You need to have an account to do this. Someguy1221 06:44, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

And the account must be four days old.--Fuhghettaboutit 06:50, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Really Simple Systems page deleted - ok, would these changes help?

Hi,

I created an entry for "Really Simple Systems" and it was promptly deleted citing WP:CSD#A7. Fair enough, I presume I should have put some more on notability.

If I added "Really Simple Systems has over 500 users and is the largest hosted CRM vendor in the United Kingdom" would that help?

Really Simple Systems may not be famous in the USA, but if you type in "online crm" or "simple crm" in Google in the UK, the name comes up as #1 in the search listings. Plus there are numerous press articles (see http://www.reallysimplesystems.com/news.asp) for external verifiability.

I can't see why the page would be less notable than those for "Goldmine" or "24SevenOffice" or "ebsuite".

Thanks for anticipated feedback! — Preceding unsigned comment added by JacPaterson (talk • contribs)

Notability in a Wikipedia article is determined by non-trivial references in third-party reliable sources. So, a google search is not good because it can be Googlebombed, and hence is not "reliable". The press articles, on the other hand, are good. If you can include some links to the original articles in the Wikipedia article, and use claims in those articles to demonstrate the notability you are stating, then you should get past the A7 hurdle. Also, have a look at WP:CORP and some of the links in it to get an idea of what may put an article at risk of facing WP:AFD, the non-speedy deletion process. Confusing Manifestation 11:15, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

You can communicate more effectively on a wiki by adding appropriate links on all the technical or commercial jargon terms you use. This especially applies to three-letter abbreviations such as CRM, because the limited number of available TLAs means that many of them are overused and require disambiguation. Indeed, CRM itself is a disambiguation page. By forcing your readers to guess which of the more than twenty possible meanings of CRM you are thinking of (Customer Relationship Management?), you might annoy them and tend to prejudice them against whatever case you are trying to make (that would be a departure from critical thinking on their part, but that's what people tend to do). This would be particularly true of readers who have extensive wiki editing experience and thus have been conditioned to expect well-edited material. Second, you should sign your posts on talk pages (although the Help desk is not technically a talk page, it functions like one, as should be clear just from perusing it - arguably, using a not-really-a-talk-page like a talk page is an ergonomic inconsistency on Wikipedia, but there it is, and it's something new users need to pick up as part of learning the "lay of the land").

As far as how to establish notability per WP:CSD#A7, use the notability guidelines rather than looking at other articles as examples. When you do use other articles as examples, you should restrict yourself to articles that have been rated as featured or good, rather than selecting random articles which may themselves have problems. See: WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. The vast majority of articles on Wikipedia are of less than the best quality, and unfortunately the articles themselves are more apparent than the guidelines, so they function as a kind of massive red herring to lead new users astray. In other words, do as we say (in the guidelines), not as we do (in the million-plus mediocre articles). --Teratornis 11:26, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

thanks for the feedback, I have resubmitted the page taking on board all your comments. if you think it doesn't pass the test, or could be improved, I'm sure you'll let me know! JacPaterson 11:36, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Articles on Integrated approach of management in construction industry- reg.

59.93.87.177 11:03, 11 August 2007 (UTC) Dear Sir, I would like to know the the case studies related to different activities such as material management , financial management, project management, contract management etc. and other related mangerial topics which csn be use and existing and practical related case studies.

You could try using the search function or asking at the Reference Desk. We're only here to help you figure out how to use Wikipedia. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 14:34, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Marking an article as outdated

I forgot how to do this and I can't find a link.

The article European Union arms embargo on the People's Republic of China needs to be marked as outdated.

Sseballos 11:41, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Pick one in Category:Time and date maintenance templates. PrimeHunter 13:17, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Also see Wikipedia:Template messages/Cleanup#Time-sensitive. {{Update}} might be what you want. --Teratornis 19:08, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

How is it outdated? It is no more "outdated" than the Boxer Rebellion is. It's a historical event. Corvus cornix 19:37, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Please help with formatting my citation

I've tried dozens of times and can't seem to get my citation working right, probably because I'm mixing citation templates (trying to add the auto-formatting publication dates and "accessed on" dates, primarily).

Here's where I am so far:

References

So, if this works the way it is in sandbox now, there is no period after the page number, and it either doesn't include access date or includes it twice, once pulling from what I've attempted to list as the publication date. I'm sure it's because I'm mixing citation templates ... I just can't seem to fix it. Help greatly appreciated!!

CerebralMom 11:54, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Try this. (Also this tool can be useful to format these, if you can find the PubMed ID) --Arcadian 13:09, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

• Johnson, Ann (2002). "Prevalence and characteristics of children with cerebral palsy in Europe". Developmental medicine and child neurology. 44 (9): 633–40. PMID 12227618.

adding an entry

I want to add a new entry, how do I do this? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jedisarlaac (talk • contribs).

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Help:Starting a new page. You might also look at Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. PrimeHunter 13:38, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

How to delete an uploaded file

In my contributions, there is an image that contains a background NOT made by me. I accidentally picked up the wrong licensing. How can I delete that image, since I feel it violates the copyrights of someone else?

It can be found here: [8]

Rosemarius 13:32, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

You don't have to delete the image, as long as it does not violate our policies for fair use images. You can replace the current licensing tag with a more appropriate one. A directory of all the tags can be found here. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 14:29, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

In the future, however, if you wish to have a page deleted that you created and you are the only one who has made significant contibutions, you can add either {{db-g7}} or {{db-author}} to the top of the page. This will alert an administrator to the situation and they will delete it shortly - in my experience, within a few minutes. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 14:33, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Page Loading Speed

I recently upped my watchlist count by a considerable amount to over 370 pages. Since then, whenever I try to load a page it takes much longer than it did before I watched all those extra pages. Is there anything I can do to sort it out? (I doubt this will make a difference but I use the latest version of Safari) Thanks asyndeton 13:32, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

This is better suited for the Reference Desk but… In my experience, Safari does not handle really large web pages well. An overly long wiki page, like an unarchived Talk page, will quickly eat up memory on your computer, making all other page loads take longer. Your watchlist may be a large enough page that it's causing a similar problem. Once you close out the watchlist tab, it should improve the speed. Otherwise, you really just need more memory. -- Kesh 17:02, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

searching for a warning template

Resolved

I came across this offensive diff [9] of an anonymous IP attacking the subject of an article. Fortunately, it was promptly deleted by another editor. However, this IP has not been warned at all: is there a warning template for this kind of thing? Lisatwo 14:12, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

There's a whole ton of them. See WP:UTM for the whole list. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 14:26, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

I've been scratching my head looking at WP:UTM for a while, and I can't find a specific template that applies to this situation. Do you think the closest thing is {{subst:uw-vand1}}? Thanks, Lisatwo 15:06, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

You might try {{uw-biog1}} or {{uw-defam1}}, but if a template doesn't precisely fit, it's probably best to write an appropriate message yourself. Carom 16:55, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your response! Lisatwo 18:56, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

new post?

where do i go to create a new post please?Sakarouli 14:26, 11 August 2007 (UTC)sakis

If you mean a new article, the page at WP:1ST should be able to give you some pointers. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 14:30, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Help:Starting a new page gives instructions to follow. I hope this helps :-) Stwalkerster talk 14:33, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

(cut-n-paste move) Does "Gentlemen's club" need a dab page?

(I hesitated between posting here or at Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous), feel free to move this or tell me to move it if necessary.)

I stumbled on a cut-n-paste move done 20 days ago, which is already bad. Additionally, it was done by destroying a dab page (replaced with the cut-n-pasted article). But then, it made me wonder if the dab page was really necessary in the first place, something that should established before the cut-n-paste move can be fixed one way or the other. So I'm dumping the baby asking here for opinions about that.

The particulars that'd need undoing or history-merging or something anyway:

• Dab page Gentlemen's club was overwritten by User:Jooler with cut-n-pasted article Gentlemen's club (traditional) (diff)
• Article Gentlemen's club (traditional) (which has a long history, plenty of contributors, plenty of what-links-here) was overwritten with a redirect to Gentlemen's club (history)
• Redirect Men's club was switched from Gentlemen's club (traditional) to Gentlemen's club

As visible on the diff, the original 2-entry dab page wasn't much to behold. After a quick googling, if a dab page was to be recreated, either at the original place or at a new Gentlemen's club (disambiguation), it could stand for Gentlemen's club/Gentlemen's Club/The Gentlemen's Club/The Gentlemen's club and would be just a bit longer with some little-to-non notables:

Gentlemen's club or Gentlemen's Club may refer to:

• Gentlemen's club (traditional), a club in the style of those originally for upper-class men in the United Kingdom
• Gentlemen's club, a type of upscale strip club such as Sapphire Gentlemen's Club or La Bohème (gentlemen's club)

• Gentlemen's Club, a 1995 U.S. direct-to-video action movie (IMDB page)
• The Gentlemen's Club, a 2000s Canadian rock group from Montreal (AMG discog)(website)
• "The Gentlemen's Club", a 2006 rock song on Resurrection by Jazmine Jahn (AMG album)

See also: "Gentlemenz Club", a 2005 rap song on Help Us Eat by Gun Hill (AMG album)

{{Disambig}}

Because fixing a cut-n-paste move is do delicate, it requires to decide first if a dab page is warranted or not, which I don't feel I can necessarily decide on my own, subjective as it is. So, is a dab page such as above needed at the main article title, and thus what should be the better path to suggest to an admin for fixing that cut-n-paste move?

1. Restore such dab page at Gentlemen's club, and restore Gentlemen's club (traditional) (plus the edits it received at its displaced location)?
2. Undo the cut-n-paste move, redo it with a regular move, and create a Gentlemen's club (disambiguation) for the dab itself?
3. Same as above, but drop the dab page and just tag the article with
   For the upscale adult clubs, see strip club.
   ?

— Komusou ^talk @ 17:04, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

You can request a fix at Wikipedia:Cut and paste move repair holding pen. If you are unsure what the fix should be then you could describe the situation as here and maybe make a recommendation. If we don't have articles on the movie, group, songs, or groups behind the songs, then 3 seems sensible to me but it's not important. PrimeHunter 19:06, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

reliability

what is the reliability of the sources

The sources used on Wikipedia articles (i.e. references or cites)? Mostly they should be accurate, but it depends on who puts them there and if they know and care about what they are doing. I'd consider references to be generally quite accurate and fulfil their purpose quite adequately. Lradrama 17:46, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Take a look at WP:RS. --Tλε Rαnδom Eδιτor (tαlk) 21:41, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

My archive is bleeding!

I have just noticed that my 2nd talk archive is entirely written in red in its latter half. I can't seem to find what is causing this. Could someone either point it out for me or just go ahead and fix it? Page is here- User talk:Goldom/Archive 2 Thanks. -Goldom ‽‽‽ ⁂ 18:01, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Fixed. There was a missing </font> tag.--Max Talk (+) 18:16, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! -Goldom ‽‽‽ ⁂ 08:15, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Resolved

Category Intersections

Is there any way to look for articles that are in two categories (such as finding all the articles that are in both Category:Freeware games and Category:Action-adventure games)? — Daniel 18:51, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes, indeed: Cattersect --Sopoforic 18:55, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

So do I just memorize that whole thing or is there a link to it? — Daniel 19:16, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Templates for Bots

Resolved

Is there a template like {{User}}, {{Userlinks}}, or {{Admin}} for bots? --Boricuaeddie 19:13, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, since bots are users as well, those templates will work for them. Is there something you'd want for bots that isn't on the ordinary templates? --Sopoforic 19:17, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, for starters, it should include a link to the bot's flag logs and a link to its RFBA, but I'll create it myself. Thanks anyway. --Boricuaeddie 19:24, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

I see. There is {{botlinks}}, though, if that is the sort of thing you're looking for. --Sopoforic 19:32, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. --Boricuaeddie 19:35, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Hash function commitment

The Hash Function commitment on my User page isn't working they way it's supposed to. Could someone tell me how to do it. Samuel 19:21, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Ehm, it's supposed to be in numbers... You should go to a site like this one, enter something only you can know (e.g. your RL name, your city of birth, and your telephone number), then copy the resulting SHA-512 code, then enter {{User committed identity|your code in numbers here}} on your user page. Melsaran 19:45, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Samuel 13:26, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Resolved

changing the account name

how can I change my account ID — Preceding unsigned comment added by S.rizaev (talk • contribs) 22:03, 11 August 2007 (CEST) (UTC)

You can request to have your username changed at WP:CHU. However, your only edit so far has been to this page, so it may be better if you just create a new account and contribute under that name. Melsaran 20:06, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

image-link

hi i am new in wikipedia, my classmates and I just created an article about our University(UEES) as a class project. i put some pictures of the buildings and there is a little bit of information of each building at the beginning of the article. so i want to link the word: Building A, Building B, etc... with each picture that is on the bottom of the article! can someone please help me?!?!

Thank you for your contribution to Wikipedia! If you want to include images in an article, Help:Image is probably what you're looking for. Melsaran 20:43, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Merge

Hi, I just did my first merge: Western Union Telegraph Expedition into Russian-American telegraph. It had been suggested for a while without comments. I'm pretty sure I did it correctly and followed the directions at WP:Merge. I haven't edited the final article yet as it has quite a few other issues to iron out, so I just put an under construction tag on it for now, while I'm working on it... but I just wanted someone to doublecheck that I performed the merge correctly as I've never done one before. Thanks.CindyBo^talk 20:29, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Looks fine to me. Nice work, CindyBo.--Max Talk (+) 21:00, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, Max! CindyBo^talk 21:12, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

help!!! i don't know what i did!!!

Resolved

Oh boy. I was trying to ad my link as a refrence and some how i ended up erasing all the references and now i don't know what to do to fix it!!! I don't want to get intouble i just was trying to cite by source. i messed up. I was working in the California Polytechnic State University Page. please someone help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shyangel007 (talk • contribs) 22:44, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Stwalkerster fixed it for you. :-) Melsaran 20:52, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, Melsaran, I left a note on their talk page, explaining references to them. :-) Stwalkerster talk 20:56, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

[Edit Conflict] :You're not in trouble; we assumed good faith. The page was repaired by Basar and Stwalkerster. In the future you can always inspect the page' history to revert changes.--Max Talk (+) 20:58, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Minimalist Wikipedia front page for PDA browsers.

Hola. I fall under the category of someone who makes extensive use of Wikipedia, corrects a few things here and there, but knows woefully little about how the whole Wikipedia things works.

One of my greatest joys in life is to be able to use Wikipedia from my Treo 700p.

Wikipedia rendered awfully on the Treo's browser "Blazer", but after some Googling, I created a user defined display style, and now it's "ok".

What I really really would love is an alternative Wikipedia front page for PDA browsers. Something truly barebones -- really spartan. I'm thinking something like Google's default main page.

It would have a user login/password/"remember me" form, and a text input box for the search, and nothing else. No graphics, no news, no featured articles, no sister projects, etc.

Does such a thing already exist? If not, why not? And how could such a thing be done?

Thanks! Sliver 22:10, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Hello, the page at WP:PDA should give you some information on what you need. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 22:15, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

P.S. - And additional information here and here. Hersfold ^(t/a/c)

Leaping langosta! How did you answer that so quickly? Thanks!  :-) Sliver 22:18, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

The help channel on IRC apparently runs a bot which lets us know when there are new topics. Quite convenient. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 22:35, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

If you want really barebones, check out TomeRaider. --Teratornis 03:13, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Substitution of Unsigned

Should {{unsigned}} be substituted? I ask this because I just saw a discussion carried out a while ago whether or not the template should be subst'ed, and I failed to understand if consensus had been reached. --Boricuaeddie 22:28, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

According to the documentation, it should be. I don't really see any reason why it shouldn't be anyway. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 22:33, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

One the concerns raised in the discussion is that it takes up too much space. When editing, it's easier to read the edit box when {{unsigned|Example}} is used than when <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Example|Example]] ([[User talk:Example|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Example|contribs]]){{#if:{{{2|}}}| {{{2}}}}}.</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> (which produces —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Example (talk • contribs).) is used. Thanks for your help. --Boricuaeddie 22:41, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Guess you have a point there. Ok, thanks. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 23:16, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

This is just my opinion, but I dislike template substitution because it obliterates the original template syntax. On Wikipedia we may have millions of users who are clicking on edit links to peek at wikitext to see the source code that creates various effects. If the new user can see the exact wikitext that a previous author typed, that's got to be much easier to learn from than the confusing mess of wikitext resulting from a template substitution. (Imagine how many leaps of comprehension a new user would have to make to get from the substituted template back to the original expression that the previous user typed.) For the same reason I am annoyed by the way the Pipe trick apparently hides its tracks, by changing the resulting wikitext so the next editor cannot see what the previous editor did. Source code should be the actual definitive code that someone typed. If it is to mutate into something else via macros or whatever, there still must be some way to recover the actual original source code. That's just a basic principle of programming languages that makes them learnable from examples. --Teratornis 03:31, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

NPOV test

Hi. Is there a particular page on Wikipedia where I can ask for unbiased users to check if an article adheres to Neutral Point of View. Thanks in advance. Tbo ¹⁵⁷talk 22:31, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

You can tag the page with {{npov}}. That will add the page to a cleanup category and someone will fix it eventually. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 22:32, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Ive seen that some articles have been tagged with that template for a year with noone making any changes. Tbo ¹⁵⁷talk 22:33, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

You could also try a request for comment on the article. --Haemo 22:34, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Be sure that if you put an npov tag on an article, that you explain why you put the tag on in the article's Talk page, otherwise the npov tag will be removed. Corvus cornix 01:25, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Template:Pop-up

While patrolling my watchlist, I see someone added a new template on the Guan Yu page under the "Physical appearance". The template in question shows pop-up messages when the cursor is on the text and seems to be newly-created just for this purpose on the Guan Yu article. My question is, is this sort of pop-up messages suitable on Wikipedia? _dk 23:54, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

I wouldn't think so. Footnotes serve the same purpose, and they're much less annoying. I'm going to put that one up at TFD. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 00:21, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

August 12

legal aspects of jallikattu

after the supreme court judgement lot of controversy is created about jallikattu. it has to be regulated not banned —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 59.92.118.49 (talk)

I didn't know jallikattu but we have an article on it. Note that Wikipedia is not a soap box. PrimeHunter 01:00, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

find me plz

Nitafutia shule yangu tafadhali —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.21.79.195 (talk)

This is the help desk for the English Wikipedia. Do you have a question in English? Maybe you would be more interested in the Swahili language Wikipedia at http://sw.wikipedia.org. PrimeHunter 03:02, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Asian ideologies

-what are the different asian ideologies? 124.107.20.90 03:20, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Here is a Google search that lists quite a few. --Teratornis 03:35, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Your question is best suited to the reference desk, so I've moved it there and replied. -Wooty [Woot?] [Spam! Spam! Wonderful spam!] 06:55, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Fair use image size

I took pictures of statues that are considered to be derivative works. Image 1, Image 2. I know they have to be low resolution in order to be considered fair use, but to what size should I resize them to? Thanks in advance. BlueAg09 (Talk) 04:30, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Seems fine to me, or at least low-res enough that there's no need to worry unless you get a specific complaint. As my personal guideline, I figure the default image thumb size is a good starting point (250px, I think). This doesn't go above that to the point I'm worried about it. Appreciate the concern, though. – Luna Santin (talk) 12:08, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Remove category listing from pages.

Quick question, is it possible to have these hidden on the page, like how it's possible to hide TOCs? Thanks --Lucid 05:36, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

If there's a way to do that, I'm not yet familiar with it, sorry. Javascript could do it, but that involves a pretty heavy change that probably wouldn't be implemented for one or two uses. Depending on what in particular you're trying to do, other workarounds may be available; any details? – Luna Santin (talk) 12:05, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Mainly, I want my user page to display without a scroll bar. With the categories at the bottom and the WM info bar, plus the infobox, that's not doable. If I could remove the category box, though, it should fit fine, and give me enough room for everything I want on my page --Lucid 02:13, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Link Error

On the page for The Streets album Hardest Way To Make A Easy Living, the link for the Q Magazine review goes to the Pitchfolk Media review instead. Captainkid 05:45, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

As a fan of The Steets, I've gone ahead and fixed the link; the Q (magazine) review is actually not availible online, as far as I can tell. If you're interested, you can fine it on their May 2006 issue, on p.116. --Haemo 05:58, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Nagykovácsi coordinates problem

A couple of months ago, suddenly, an error message appeared one day on this page where the coordinates were previously and successfully recorded. I had made no changes at all to the article.

The error message is this

"Expression error: Unrecognised punctuation character "�""

Clicking on the error message takes you to a

"Map sources/GeoHack" page (whatever that may be) with a banner at the top that reads:

"This is one of Magnus' toys. It is based on the mapsources extension by en:User:Egil. For the source of this script, see geo_param.php, geohack.php, mapsources.php, and transversemercator.php."

I've tried a number of times to fix the sudden Nagykovácsi "coordinates problem" (the article on Nagykovácsi didn't seem to have a "coordinates problem" before and I have now given up trying to fix it because as I don't know how to.) If any wise folk out there can help I would be grateful.

Artdesigns2006 06:15, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

The coordinates on the Nagykovácsi article are in the {{Infobox Hungarian settlement}} template. If the error started with no changes to the article, then I would suspect a change in the template. Indeed, the template page shows the same error in the example on the template page itself. Someone must have edited the template to make it work in some other article, without checking all the backlinks to insure the other articles are using the newly-modified template correctly. For example, the Sopron article uses the same template without visible error. Comparing the wikitext of Sopron to Nagykovácsi, we see that the former uses decimal coordinates (which work now) and the latter uses Degree-Minute-Second coordinates (which do not work now). Someone must have edited {{Infobox Hungarian settlement}} so it expects decimal coordinates now, without updating either the example template in the template page itself, or all of the articles that use the template. See: Wikipedia:Obtaining geographic coordinates for tools you can use to convert all the broken DMS coordinates to decimal coordinates. Or maybe you or someone else could modify the template to accept either coordinate format. --Teratornis 19:52, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, Teratornis, for your time and very clear explanation. With it in mind I went back to the Nagykovácsi article and changed the coordinates to decimal values.

Artdesigns2006 04:34, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Timeshare tour centers?

I am hoping that you will be able to help me. I am looking for a list of all Timeshare sales centers. Locations that a person can go on a presentation for 90 minutes. I am only looking for locations in the USA.( all locations in The USA ) Thank you for your help.66.91.17.52 10:05, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Wiki for potentially non-encyclopedic information

Hi, I'm working on a list of native iPhone applications and would like to put this list

• on a wiki
• that is already regularly visited

to ensure future growth of this list. (list so far). Now I think that putting this list in wikipedia might not be the correct place, becuase it's not encyclopedic, and it's original work. I found this wiki, but it is unfortunately not regularly visited, so that's a no-go. My question: is there I place to store such original-non-encyclopedic-work, like for example a sister-project called "wiki-trivia", "wiki-data" or somesuch? None of the official sister projects fit my bill, but maybe there is something else? Thanks for your help, Peter S. 11:50, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

You may find what you're looking for at Wikipedia:Alternative outlets or list of wikis :-). Melsaran 14:40, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Also try searching on WikiIndex:

• Search WikiIndex with Google - to find other wikis for content not meeting Wikipedia's requirements

I question your objection to using IPhone Wiki; you say it is not "regularly visited," but what do you expect for a wiki that focuses narrowly on a product that has not even been on the market for two months? Even if a particular wiki receives many total visits, there is no guarantee that any particular article on the wiki will get any attention. Even Wikipedia, probably the world's most-visited wiki, has thousands of neglected articles. We have 48,027,211 registered users, but even so, there is no guarantee of recruiting others to help with an arbitrary project here; some articles gets lots of attention, and some get little. If you can't find a thriving wiki for your project, I suggest you just go ahead and edit your list on IPhone Wiki and don't worry about how many views your page gets or whether anyone else helps out. If your page meets a real need, other interested people will eventually find it (because everybody knows how to google, and because wikis in general are on a growth curve). If the whole world consisted of people who limited themselves to things that were already well-established, nothing new would ever happen. Don't be afraid to innovate. Innovators often have to go it alone for a while, until they can build enough of something that works to sell their ideas to other people. --Teratornis 17:04, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. The iPhone Wiki is unattractive because it was created 7 months ago and the news items there are - 7 months old (many other iPhone pages have several news items each week), so that's what makes it unattractive to me. I don't want to place this item in the middle of a "ghost town". But Wikinfo fits the bill pretty well. Thanks for all the links. Peter S. 18:28, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

I am looking for information regarding ethnic backgrounds

I am looking for information regarding the Cherokee Indian ethnic background and also the German Ethnic background. What I need to know is some type of history for each of them and also if the group suffered any forms of discrimmination or if they participated in any form of discrimmination. I also need to know if either of these two groups faced the following: prejudice,segragation,or racism.

Try looking it up in the relevant articles first, using the search function. If you cannot find it on Wikipedia, try doing a general search on the internet (e.g. with Google). If you cannot find it anywhere, you may ask it at the reference desk. Good luck! Melsaran 14:38, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

wikipedia image storage

Help! I am pretty new to Wikipedia. I have created a new page for Prospect Hill Cemetery in Washington, DC for which I also maintain a website. I would like to add some photos to the Wikipedia article and have uploaded the first image. But I can not figure out where those uploaded images are stored so that I can use the reference in the article. I think I need some guidance here. Thanks wenzela (Al Wenzel)

First, welcome to Wikipedia! If you wish to include an image in the article, please ensure that it is a free image, and not a copyrighted one. Details can be found here. You can find instructions on how to include images at Help:Image. Generally, you should use something like [[Image:Nameofyourimage.jpg|thumb|right|50px|Description of the image]]. Cheers! Melsaran 14:36, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Welcome again Wenzel to Wikipedia. May the Wikipedian community please kindly suggest that you sign after your question with two hyphens and four tildes (e.g. --~~~~) Thank you very much. --Mayfare 15:30, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

RSS Feeds on Specific Questions

Hello. I have read your WP:RSS article. How can I subscribe a specific question to RSS feeds without subscribing the entire Reference Desk's history? If I subscribed the entire Reference Desk's history to RSS feeds, my feed will show me that the Reference Desk was changed not necessarily my question. Thanks in advance. --Mayfare 15:25, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure that is possible. The article you read describes our compatibility, and it does not seem to mention what you're asking for. Sorry. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 16:20, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Sounds like you want "by-section" RSS, rather than the current "by-page" model. There's a few difficulties, there: section numbers change frequently, and section titles aren't usually as static as one might think. Not sure how big performance issues might be. But in any case, I don't believe that's a feature or going to be one, soon, sorry. As another option, you could ask if the kind volunteers at the refdesk/helpdesk would reply to your user talk page, which would at least get you the on-wiki new messages notice bar. – Luna Santin (talk) 18:25, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

HIV/AIDS

What causes anaemia in an HIV/AIDS positive patient

You might find what you are looking for in the article about AIDS. If you cannot find the answer there, click here to post your question at that article's talk page. If that doesn't solve your problem, you can try asking your question at Wikipedia's Reference Desk. They'll be glad to answer questions about anything in the universe (except about how to use Wikipedia, which is what this help desk is for). I hope this helps. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 16:20, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

WYSIWYG Editor for Wikipedia?

Hi,

Is there any WYSIWYG editor for wikipedia? I've got alot to contribute but it really is a nightmare editing the articles. If you could get a fully fledged text editor it'd be great. Referencing is quite difficult, I've found.

I've done a few searches and I've got wikiEd installed, but it isn't that good.

Thanks for any help.

It would seem the page at m:WYSIWYG editor provides some instruction on how to implement such an editor. I'm not sure how well they work, though. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 16:13, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Help With Rothersthorpe

Can someone help by doing the co-ordinates, as two bits of text are overlapping each over and it is non sensicle, cheers ( its at top right of article)27pence 16:12, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

The Infobox UK Place template is creating a set of coordinates of its own. In order to get them to display properly, you're going to have to choose between the Infobox's way of doing things (decimal coordinate system) or the coordinate template's (normal dms style). Note, however, that removing the coordinates from the infobox will also remove the map. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 16:17, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Knuckle Banjo

Hello,

Just purchased a Knuckle Banjo. What is this insterments history and how is it played? Any further information you can give me will be appreciated. Very interested in this insterment.

Many thanks to you.

Sincerely, Katie

You might find what you are looking for in the article about Banjo. If you cannot find the answer there, click here to post your question at that article's talk page. If that doesn't solve your problem, you can try asking your question at Wikipedia's Reference Desk. They'll be glad to answer questions about anything in the universe (except about how to use Wikipedia, which is what this help desk is for). I hope this helps. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 16:22, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

How do I kill a crape myrtle?

While I love crape myrtles for their southern elegance, they can be an obnoxious unwanted guest when a diseased or damaged tree has to be cut down. I have three such problem children that continue to send up shoots. I can't afford for the stumps to be removed,(we rent this place) and would like not to have to resort to chemical applications. However, if chemicals are the only thing to keep me from fighting this battle, BRING 'EM ON!!!!!

I'm afraid we can only offer assistance with how to use Wikipedia. The folks at the Reference Desk might be able to help you, but I'd recommend you ask a local gardener or someone else experienced with this situation. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 16:49, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

This is just one example of a vast amount of non-Wikipedia related queries that are really starting to drive everyone up the wall. Can we not make it super CLEAR that this isn't allowed? Lradrama 17:38, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

I'll see if I can tweak the header a bit... but unfortunately, some people still miss the really big letters. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 17:52, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

If we look at that header with the big red writing, it couldn't be any clearer could it? Eeeee some people you have to deal with... ;-) Lradrama 18:42, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

I am pretty sure we cannot, with current technology, make it "super CLEAR" that Reference desk questions belong on the Reference desk. This is just what happens when people try to use unfamiliar technology. Many people require repeated exposure to a new chunk of information before it sinks in - that is why, for example, you have seen those iPhone commercials fifty times in the last month. Advertisers understand the repetition principle very well. So do drill sergeants. When an average person looks at something unfamiliar for the very first time, often they are simply blind to some aspects of it (such as some of the instructions at the top of this page). See: Cognitive distortion - many people tend to jump to conclusions based on the first clue they see (such as the title of this page: "Help desk" which they interpret optimistically as applying to their need for help), and then their cognitive filters reject data that doesn't support their premature conclusion. This is not to say we shouldn't have instructions - some people comprehend them, and I believe that even when a person doesn't fully get the instructions on the first exposure, that first exposure still counts as one of the repetitions they will need to finally get it. But rest assured that no amount of tweaking of the instructions will make them comprehensible to all new users on the first exposure. That just isn't how the human brain typically works (or fails to work). If we had the technology to make the Help desk idiotproof (such as computers that could pass the Turing test), such technology could just as well answer all the questions automatically, and we would not need human volunteers to answer them. --Teratornis 18:51, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Also, I should add that any Help desk volunteer who finds him/herself bothered by inappropriate questions (and I'm as guilty of this as anyone else, given that some of my replies might be construable as, shall we say, a bit condescending now and then) might consider stepping back a little. To function constructively in any online venue requires more than the average person's endowment of sangfroid. There are lots of Help desk volunteers who seem willing to share the load, so when you've seen one more inappropriate question than you can take, you don't have to take any more for a while. The Help desk suffers from some rather serious ergonomic shortcomings, not the least of which is that it requires more knowledge of talk page conventions than most new users are likely to have. It's almost as if the Help page is designed for the people who don't need it (i.e., someone with enough Wikipedia experience to use the Help desk properly might also know how to look up their own answers). In any case, it might help to remember that Wikipedia is essentially just a giant experiment to see if we really can build an encyclopedia of the highest quality with millions of volunteers on a wiki. While the general progress is impressive, not every aspect of the project amounts to an unbroken string of success. --Teratornis 19:05, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

People have suggested changing the name to something like Wikipedia:Help Desk for Using Wikipedia, but those proposals have not gone anywhere.--Max Talk (+) 20:56, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

My summary of the same points:

1. People don't read the instructions, therefore
2. Don't be surprised when they don't read the instructions,
3. Don't complain when they don't read the instructions, and
4. Try to help them out with whatever they do do. AndyJones 21:02, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Nicely put. Will do just that. Lradrama 13:12, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Urgent

Please delete me completely out of WikiProject Fashion, ASAP. --Bandoim 17:49, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

You don't appear to be on the participants list. I'm afraid I don't understand your request. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 17:51, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

That's one WikiProject I delete myself from every day just by getting dressed. --Teratornis 19:07, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

All seriousness aside, see WP:PROJGUIDE for more information about joining a WikiProject. There is no binding mechanism for joining (or leaving) a WikiProject. You just add your username to the list of participants on the project page to join, and delete your username from the list when you want to leave. If your username is not on the list of participants now, you aren't in the project. If you mean that you want to remove any record of your past participation in the project, that's a little more complicated. See: m:Right to vanish. --Teratornis 19:12, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Requesting articles

Hello. I have a question. How do you request articles?

You can go to Requested Articles, or if you're an unregistered user and have an article already written, you can submit it at Articles for Creation. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 18:13, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

The Wilmington Ten Incident of February 1971

Why is it still in an unintelligble form after about a month in the Wikipedia. Why is it in a sandbox?--Larry Reni Thomas 18:32, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

I have had a look at the article, and, yes, it does need a lot of work. But it didn't really need to be put on the help desk did it? And do not put your signature in the body of the article - that was one of the reasons why it looked such a mess. Lradrama 18:40, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

If you'd like someone to come by and help work on an article, you can tag it with the code {{cleanup}} as I have done. That makes editors more aware that the article is in need of improvement. Of course, you're more than welcome to help make the changes yourself. :-) Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 18:51, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Well done for sorting that out. ;-) Lradrama 20:48, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Images

Where can I find images such as the ones found here. Please leave answers on my talk page - Pheonix 19:49, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

You can find them right there. Just click "edit this page" and copy the image you want. Then, paste it where you want to use it. --Boricuaeddie 21:23, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

No, no, no, I mean where can I find images like these or of the same style - Pheonix 23:09, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

How to delete a link template

Resolved

I know how to nominate articles for deletion, but how do you nominate a link template for deletion? Thanks in advance. Miles Blues 21:18, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

You're looking for TFD. --Boricuaeddie 21:21, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

How to request for an article split

Resolved

I would like to request for the article Speaker of the House of Representatives of the United States be split into a page with the list on its own but I don't know where I can propose this. Would somebody please explain to me on my talk page where to make such a request.--Southern Texas 23:38, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

I replied this on User talk:Southern Texas: you can place {{Splitsection}} in Speaker of the United States House of Representatives#List of Speakers, and discuss further on the talk page of the article. PrimeHunter 01:32, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

How to find uploaded images

Now that I have uploaded an image for a page I can't find it. Help --Wenzela 23:50, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

You are probably looking for Image:Prospect hill gravesites.JPG. All the other images you have uploaded were deleted. To see your upload log, click here. You can use that page in the future to locate all images you have uploaded. I hope this helps! Please feel free to reply if you have any further questions. --Nick—^Contact/_Contribs 23:55, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

August 13

Can the Birthdate in Ida Lupino's article be correct?

I was going to ask at the reference desk, but this is also about the accuracy of the Ida Lupino article. It says she was born in 1918 and includes a reference from the General Register Office. Lupino appeared in films during 1933 and played romantic scenes with older men, the 1918 birthdate would mean she was only 15 years old (possibly 14) when she filmed those. Can that be the case? I think this would have created a scandal in 1930s England, and it would certainly be something that was mentioned in her biographies today, but I've never heard of this before. I think she was born in 1914, I would change the date but the General Register Office reference looks like a reliable source. 172.141.176.101 00:00, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

It probably wouldn't -- girls as young as 15 were routinely married even into the 1930's in England. However, I would still check into this if I were you. --Haemo 00:59, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Google searches find multiple sources for 1914 [10], 1916 [11] and 1918 [12]. [13] has the amusing formulation "Actress and film director Ida Lupino was born on the 4th February circa 1918". An alleged Register Office reference which may or may not exist, be accurate or be about this woman, is not enough to claim that contradicting reliable sources are wrong. If there is no near certainty of the right year then I think the article should reflect sources, for example by saying 1914, 1916 or 1918 according to different sources, with one source per year. PrimeHunter 01:02, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

How do I cite a source for use in an article?

You know how whenever you start a new article, it says "Please cite your references or the article will most likely be deleted"? Well, how exactly do I cite a source. Do I just link to it under a header "References" or something? Thanks! ChipChamp 00:24, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

The most preferred method is to use <ref> tags, which create a footnote that can be displayed at the end of the article. WP:CITE gives you information on how to cite the source, and WP:FOOT gives you information on how to add those citations to footnotes. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 00:35, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

A example reference would like this when in the edit box. <ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.wikipedia.org/|title=Example|accessdate=2008-08-13}}</ref>. --Tλε Rαnδom Eδιτor (tαlk) 02:05, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Okay, thanks! :) If you wouldn't mind I have a fairly small other question... how do I make my name use a different font when I type in ~~~~ or be a different color? Or would this require another question? Thanks again! ChipChamp 15:03, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

decorative stars

what is the significance of the five-pointed stars hung on the outside of houses?

I think Barnstar has the information you seek. Future questions like this should go to the Wikipedia:Reference desk. Thanks.--Chaser - T 01:33, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Pharis Aboobacker

the page about pharis aboobacker, the non resident keralite, when it was created

If you are asking "When was the Pharis Aboobacker article created?", the answer is that it was created on August 3. For future reference, you can find this information about any article by clicking the "history" tab near the top of the page. DH85868993 01:52, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

See Help:History for more information. Also see Help:Contents/Tracking changes for related information. The MediaWiki software that powers Wikipedia has very sophisticated tools for tracking changes, which the MediaWiki designers borrowed from previously developed revision control systems. This technology is critical to making Wikipedia work; without revision control, the project would probably unravel into complete chaos with 48,027,211 registered users and millions more unregistered users making changes. Thus if you are interested in how Wikipedia works, the more you know about revision control, the more sense this site will make. --Teratornis 02:45, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Harassment/Bullying

Hello,

I have posted scholarly, factual, cited, relevant, and neutral information on the topic of "Aisha." A user by the name of "Wassel" keeps blocking me. This is clearly a violation of free speech and of Wikipedia policy. How can he be prevented from his malevolent blockings? Is there anything I can do? THanks...Below is my exact post:

Muhammad married Aisha when she was six years old and had intercourse with her when she was nine. The Hadith of Sahih Bukhari, volume 7, no. 65 states, “Narrated Aisha that the prophet wrote the marriage contract with her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old.” Also again in volume 7, no. 88: “Narrated Urwa: "The prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death)."" And once more in volume 5, no. 234 this fact is confirmed. Another Hadith of the Sunan of Abu Dawud states in volume 2, no.2116, “"Aisha said, "The Apostle of Allah married me when I was seven years old." (The narrator Sulaiman said: "Or six years."). "He had intercourse with me when I was 9 years old."

Aisha had not yet reached puberty when she and Muhammad had intercourse according to the Hadith of Sahih Bukhari Vol8,Bk73,#151: "Narrated 'Aisha:I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah's Apostle used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for 'Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fateh-al-Bari pg143,Vol.13) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Heymanyosup (talk • contribs).

Hi, while this is interesting you're probably looking for dispute resolution, not the Help Desk. We answer questions about Wikipedia; we're not really here to help solve editing disputes. --Haemo 01:52, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

(^{Edit Conflict})

When you add controversial information such as that, it needs to be very well sourced with easily verifiable sources. It looks like you tried to provide sources, but the sources you provided can't be easily checked against. Since they're not exactly from a neutral point of view, Wassel is removing the information which he probably views as vandalism, whether intended or not. You should probably discuss the changes with him on his talk page to avoid an edit war. It's greatly preferred to discuss conflicts before taking more forceful action. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 01:58, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

For the record, Wasell is not an administrator and cannot block you. Wasell has warned you but you have only been blocked once and that was by Pepsidrinka [14]. The 24 hour block has expired. PrimeHunter 02:08, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

not sure how I can do this or even if I am allowed

I hope that I am putting this in the right place. Basically I am helping out a friend who has started a campaign on myspace to get the television licence in the UK abolished. They are hoping to get as many people to add them as possible and I said that I would help. I thought about adding a link to their myspace page in the links section of the wikipedia page on the television licence but I didnt know if this was allowed or even how to do it. Please can someone give me advice. Thanks.

Nope, we call that link spam. Wikipedia is not a soapbox, and we do not allow people to use the site for promotional uses. Thank you for asking, however. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 02:13, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia as my Home Page

How do i make wikipedia as my home page on my computer?'

Depending on your browser, open your "Options..." or "Internet Options..." menu, and find the Home Page option. Click "Use Current Page" and apply the settings. For more information, check the help files on your internet browser. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 02:19, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

You might find something helpful in Wikipedia:Browser notes. If you are running Firefox 2.0 as your browser, you can set your home page with: Tools | Options... | Main | Startup | Home page. The exact menu options to use will be different in every browser (in keeping with the unstated general rule in computing that everything must be incompatible with everything else). --Teratornis 02:39, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Most browsers allow you to drag the favicon (the little picture next to the URL) onto your home button, and this will set the homepage. Hope this helps. Capuchin 14:36, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

redirects

How can I redirect DOA3 and DOA 3' to Dead or Alive 3?

Go to the edit pages for those articles, then add #REDIRECT [[Dead or Alive 3]] to the very first line. It'll also help if you add one of the redirect type templates to the page. In this case, {{R from acronym}} would probably be best. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 03:21, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Definition of 1275 Exchange

Hello,

I submitted the definition to 1275 exchange about 45 days ago and still has not cleared and it's not posted. WIll you please advise on what i did incorrectly?

Thank you, Larry MichaelsLarry 03:18, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you're asking. There are no articles at Definition of 1275 Exchange or 1275 Exchange, and the deletion log doesn't show that anything was there previously. Did you submit the article to Requested Articles or Articles for Creation? Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 03:23, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Your account was created July 22. Special:Contributions/Financialdude shows that on that day you uploaded a PDF file with a process intended for images. PDF files cannot be Wikipedia articles or be displayed in articles. Articles are written in a wikitext markup language. PrimeHunter 03:39, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Large text

The text is too big how do i fix it it was normal before — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.118.105.172 (talk)

Try holding your CTRL key and scrolling up with your mouse wheel. Lara♥Love 04:21, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Need a reference librarian: help on filling out citation templates

Suppose I have an ISBN (e.g., ISBN 0395977894). Is there a website with relatively clean HTML/XML/Whatever output that will enable me to quickly generate this:

       
        {{cite book 
        | title     = Fast Food Nation: The Dark Side of the All-American Meal
        | first     = Eric
        | last      = Schlosser
        | publisher = Houghton Mifflin Books
        | year      = 2001
        | id        = ISBN 0395977894
        }}
        

Perhaps you can see what I am getting at here. I am wondering if there is a quick way to turn an arbitrary ISBN into a filled-out WP cite template. I'm doing my due dilligence before undertaking to program this myself from scratch. dr.ef.tymac 04:33, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

That would be wonderful, but I honestly don't know of one. However, I'd say it's worth looking; I'll keep tabs on that because it would be incredibly useful. --Haemo 06:03, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

I think I found something. Yup, try this link:

   http://ottobib.com/isbn/0395977894/wp

For more details, see OttoBib.com. So nice not to have to re-invent the wheel. dr.ef.tymac 14:49, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Talk page after a page move

Resolved

This is the second time this has happened, so I need to know how to avoid this in future. I moved The Glass Key (film) to The Glass Key (1935 film) so I could split off half of it to The Glass Key (1942 film). I then turned the original page into a dab. However, the talk page is linked somehow to The Glass Key (1935 film). Clarityfiend 05:53, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

It was a redirect; it looks like someone has fixed it now. --Haemo 06:01, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I've gone ahead and blanked the talk page (thus removing the redirect) in order to allow for it to be used as a talk page for the disambiguation page. In the future, just remove the redirect created there after it is created. --Nick—^Contact/_Contribs 06:02, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

So blanking the talk page of the old article doesn't affect the talk page of the new article? Clarityfiend 07:06, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Nope. By default, when you move a page, you also move its talk page. When moving any page (talk or main), you leave behind a redirect to the new location -- editing, replacing, deleting, or even moving this redirect won't have any direct impact on the originally moved page (or it's talk page). If there are incoming links to the old location, however, replacing the redirect may lead to some confusion, if people don't find what they're looking for. – Luna Santin (talk) 07:37, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Changing page heading

Hi,

When searching for something just now, I got a result with a title that each word should be capitalized, but it is not, and I'd like to edit that but can't figure out how to do it.

For example, I searched for "The Kings Of Classic Rock" and found the appropriate article, but the title was displayed as "The kings of classic rock"

How can I edit that so that each word is capitalized? I couldn't find how to do that in the help topics.

Thanks! Dmeros 05:58, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

You actually can't; you have to move the article. Try it for yourself, or if you're not able to, just leave a note here and someone will help you with it. --Haemo 06:00, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Sorry about that, I moved the page before I noticed the previous message. In the future, you can use the "move" tab to do what I did. See WP:NAME for details on how articles should be named. --Nick—^Contact/_Contribs 06:06, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Fifth Wheel

When explaining Fifth Wheel you have ignored one very common meaning. It also means something useless or superfluous. In "Moby Dick" the author refers to the soul as the Fifth Wheel. Sentul 06:39, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

The Word User remains on my heading

My Wikipedia page is set up as 'User: Nick Wakeling' as opposed to 'Nick Wakeling'. The web address is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Nick_Wakeling; as opposed to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Wakeling. Consequently, I cannot search for Nick Wakeling, as I have to search for 'User: Nick Wakeling'. I have tried to work out how to edit this with no success.

Can you please advise how I can edit this to remove 'User:'.

Thanks

Well, User: Nick Wakeling is your user page. Nick Wakeling is an article about someone named Nick Wakeling. You can't remove the "User:" from your userpage, since that indicates what space it's in. If you were trying to write an article, you need to do it in the mainspace under Nick Wakeling. --Haemo 06:48, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Edit conflict Thanks for your question. That is not a problem; that is how it is supposed to be. Wikipedia has different "name spaces". The name space without a prefix is the main space. That space is for articles only. User pages created in the main space are generally deleted as the subject does not meet notability requirements for an article. The user space (all pages with the User: prefix) are for the creation of user-related profile pages. Your user page should be found at User:Nick Wakeling. For more information see WP:USERPAGE. --Nick—^Contact/_Contribs 06:53, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Also see Help:Namespace and Wikipedia:What is an article?. If you want to be able to search the User: namespace, you can set that option in your Preferences under the "Search" tab. --Teratornis 17:56, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Transition Equation

I WANT TO KNOW TRANSITION EQUATION " STAT OF MATTER" EQUATION IS F=C-P+2 DRUG SUBSTANCE CONSIDRATION STUDY AND IMPACT OF CRYSTALLIZATION, POLYMORPHISM, HYDRATES, HYGROSCOPITIY

The help desk is for answering questions about using Wikipedia. The reference desk may be able to help you with this, however, note that Wikipedia does not do homework. Lara♥Love 13:45, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

adress of m/s mannesmann analagebau AG , DORTMUND , GERMANY

help for adress of m/s mannesmann analagebau AG , DORTMUND , GERMANY

SIR WE HAVE PURCHASED TURBO BLOWER -7 FOR OUR STEEL PLANT AT BOKARO STEEL PLANT , INDIA. ORDER NO -- IPU NO -- TIP /G/31-23/82.6/239 AND THE SAME WAS COMMISSIONED IN 1989 / 90. REFRENCE DRG.NO WAS -- 480-1-012852-A FOR MATERIAL 10CRMO910. PRESENTLY IT HAS FAILED AND WE GOT IT'S COMPOSITION CHECKED . IT WAS FOUND THAT MATERIAL SUPPLIED WAS NOT AS PER SPECIFICATION. WE WANT FOLLOWING HELP 1) IF YOU CAN CHECK AND CONFIRM ABOUT THIS SUPPLY. 2) SEND US MAILING ADRESS OF CONCERNED ORGANISATION / INDIVIDUAL WHOM WE SHOULD CONTACT 3)ANY FURTHER COMMENT FROM YOUR SIDE

EXPECTING YOUR REPLY

B D SINGH DY.GENERAL MANAGER (SAFETY) SAIL SAFETY ORGANISATION , ranchi , india

This page is for Wikipedia-related questions only. And can we not use full-capitals please? Thanks, Lradrama 11:48, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

how to link an image to a internal page?

Hi,

I wanted to know how to use an image on clicking on which takes you to another page.

You may use internal hyperlinks in the image-caption for that purpose. I don't know if the image itself can act as a link, as far as I know it can only link to a bigger version of the image with its relevant details. Lradrama 11:49, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

It can be done, but the syntax is not intuitive, and doing this can violate the copyright conditions on the image (and is also inappropriate for articles). If you're interested, see mw:Extension:ImageMap (which is installed on Wikipedia). ais523 13:29, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Uploading audio files

Hello, I have a recordings of the Parsi Jashan prayers which if linked to the Jashan page in Wikidedia could add value for readers. I have already contributed photos and made edits to various pages but need guidance to properly upload and link audio files. Grateful if you could post such instructions. Thanks, Hoorob

Sounds follow the same rules as images; go to the upload wizard in order to upload them. Wikipedia accepts sound files in the .ogg format (see the linked article for more information); to add them to an article, use the {{listen}} template (and follow that link for information on its syntax). Hope that helps! ais523 14:20, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

How do i link an image to another existing internal page?

How do i link an image to another existing internal page?

See above :-) Melsaran 12:19, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Take a look at {{click}}. --Tλε Rαnδom Eδιτor (tαlk) 15:45, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Editing main page

Is it possible for me to add a topic of my own, on the main page of Wikipedia? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Msdaif (talk • contribs).

The only articles shown on the main page are featured articles. That means the article has been written to such a good standard that Wikipedia is confident enough to display it to people accessing the main page. Getting an article to featured article status takes time and certainly doesn't happen over-night. Please see Wikipedia:Featured article. Lradrama 13:09, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Not really. New articles can also appear on the Main Page by submitting them to DYK. --Boricuaeddie 15:03, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

See also Wikipedia:In the news section on the Main Page and Wikipedia:Selected anniversaries. PrimeHunter 17:28, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

who?

who is the publisher of the website — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.107.235.121 (talk • contribs)

Have you read WP:VFAQ? -- Kainaw^(what?) 13:40, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

There is also an About Wikipedia link at the bottom of every page here. --Teratornis 17:49, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Question on Image

I tried to put three pictures on the Montezuma, Colorado page. However, it just comes up as a link, and when one clicks on the link it only directs the user to an upload page. I've already uploaded the images to Wikipedia. What am I doing wrong?

McManus42 13:34, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Click the "Upload file" link on the menu bar to the left of your screen. You have to upload images to the site before you can post them in articles. See WP:IMAGES. Lara♥Love 13:37, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

You uploaded the files with the extension "JPG" and then tried to add them to the article with the extension "jpg". Case matters. -- Kainaw^(what?) 13:38, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Spam blacklist?

Over the past 2 weeks or so, spammers at random IP addresses have been inserting links to a gambling blog into gambling-related articles, like this. It is getting to be very annoying. If I'm not mistaken, there is a spam blacklist, but I am not sure how to go about reporting this. Help? ♣♦ SmartGuy ♥♠ 14:26, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

There's a global spam blacklist across all Wikimedia wikis at m:Spam blacklist (on Meta); you can propose an addition to it at m:Talk:Spam blacklist, where a Meta admin will add your suggestion to the blacklist for you (or explain why they won't add it). Note that accounts on Meta are separate from accounts on Wikipedia, and you will need to sign up for an account there if you haven't already. ais523 14:42, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

cool, I'll give that a go, thanks ♣♦ SmartGuy ♥♠ 14:48, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

The name Emma

What is the name short for? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.68.8.235 (talk • contribs)

Did you consider typing Emma in the search box and clicking "go"? You'll see a disambiguation link that takes you to Emma (name) and then get your answer a lot faster than waiting for this reply. -- Kainaw^(what?) 14:48, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

NavFrame Setup on private Wiki site?

Trying to create a collapsible table on a private Wiki site I setup for internal use.

I did run across the help reference to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NavFrame, however whenever I follow the example and use:

This autocollapse table will initially collapse because there are at least two collapsible tables on this page.
Column 1	Column 2

There is no "hide/show" option displayed, it only shows the text on my mediawiki web site.

Wondering if there is something special I need to download and add to the wiki site for common files, or if there is a feature that needs to be enabled or if this is suppose to work out of the box? The installation and setup all completed successfully, and everything appears to be working fine.. it's just the simple show/hide collapsible table thing isn't working. Cider2007 15:26, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

It appears on my screen. I've altered the code so that it is initially collapsed - see if that helps. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 16:05, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

On this wikipedia site, the collapse feature works fine. However, it's on my own personal wiki site I setup that it is not working as I expected it to. This may be the wrong place to ask, but I figured if it is then perhaps someone could direct me to where I would need to go if this is an "Admin Setup" type of issue.--Cider2007 16:27, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm afraid we're only able to offer assistance with the English Wikipedia. This site should be able to provide you with some assistance on using the MediaWiki software, if that's what you are using. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 16:33, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm using the same software this site is running under, to my knowledge. If you look at the lower right of this page it shows the icon "Powered by MediaWiki" which is the same thing I'm running my site under. Perhaps I'm mistaken, or perhaps I'm confused. ;) Are they not the same? It is the "English" version also. --Cider2007 16:42, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

I think I'm closing in on the problem, but not sure what's the best approach to the solution.

If you look at the help link I referenced above, it talks about the NavFrame. In the top section of the web page that talks about the NavFrame, it talks about the technical parts being located in the "MediaWiki:Common.css" and "MediaWiki:Common.js".

I found the "Common.css" located under /skins/common. However, "Common.js" does not exist anywhere in the tree structure.

My first thought is to just copy and paste the content from both the .css and .js and call it a day, but not sure if the .js requires a specific "Import" request or not. As well as the question that surfaces to my mind, why is the .css different than what is referenced here on the site? I downloaded the latest builds when I installed it. Everything installed fine.

Perhaps there is a different version that this site runs under? --Cider2007 16:56, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia is a heavily extended and customized instance of MediaWiki. When you download and install MediaWiki, you start out with an extremely bare-bones wiki by comparison to Wikipedia. If you are used to editing on Wikipedia, you may keep running into missing features on your wiki. Figuring out how to copy those features from Wikipedia to your own wiki is likely to keep you busy for a while. (It would be nice if some of the thousands of people who are each reinventing this particular wheel would collaboratively edit a "How to make your wiki something like Wikipedia" page - or maybe someone already has.) You may find some useful information under:

• User:John Broughton/Editor's Index to Wikipedia#Cus.

I myself have not fiddled with copying the NavFrame stuff to some corporate wikis I administer, but one of my co-workers has looked at this a little. I'll ask him if he has a any tips. Here's what I can tell you off the top of my head: MediaWiki:Common.css is a page in the MediaWiki: Namespace. The MediaWiki:Common.css page on Wikipedia contains many customizations. You will need to copy some of them to the MediaWiki:Common.css page on your wiki. (This is not a file system copy, but a page you edit through the wiki interface. You have to be a sysop user on your wiki to edit your MediaWiki:Common.css, but the instance on Wikipedia is readable (and thus copyable) by all.) To ask questions of other MediaWiki sysop-type users, see:

• mw:Project:Support desk.

And see my useful search links, especially these two:

• Search Meta with Google
• Search MediaWiki.org with Google

With those two searches you can usually find some mention of your current problems with MediaWiki, since those two wikis have a lot of material written by people who are running their own MediaWiki wikis. --Teratornis 18:29, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Another hint: compare the Special:Version page on Wikipedia to the one on your wiki. That will show you the extensions Wikipedia has that you don't. You also need to make sure your MediaWiki version is the latest release, especially to get the newer features on Wikipedia to work on your wiki. Wikipedia usually runs a MediaWiki version that is a little newer than the stable version you can download, so sometimes you cannot get the very latest gee-whiz feature from Wikipedia until the downloadable version catches up. --Teratornis 18:35, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

I have set up Wikipedia:NavFrame on several wikis. I am not sure which version of MediaWiki you need, I know it doesn't work with 1.7.1 so try a later version. (It is best to use the newest version, mw:Manual:Upgrading) You need elements from MediaWiki:Common.css and MediaWiki:Common.js. Copying them over completely should work, make sure you remove the tags for mw:Extension:SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi unless you have that extension installed. Copying features from Wikipedia is not an exact science it takes a lot of fiddling around to get the features working properly. --IMandIR 18:50, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you all for your insight and knowledge on the topic. I kept digging until I found what I needed. I did have the latest "stable" release which is 1.10.1 on the MediaWiki site.

After reading through some of the content again on that page, I ran across a reference to 7.6 ...doesn't this work? It works on Wikipedia! and it basically told me what was mentioned above--a lot of the wiki sites run a modified version that is newer than the latest stable release.

Armed with this info, I went and downloaded the latest "Alpha" version out of the SVN and upgraded my site to this. WHen I went to the site, it said the wiki has not been setup yet.. go configure it. So I did. ;) Glad I did though, as it updated the MySQL with the latest changes. The features still didn't work though.

I created the "Common.js" in the /skins/common folder, and it still didn't work. I'm sure there was probably some way I am suppose to add a reference to the .js file, but I don't know where.

I was reading through the comments of the Common.js reference on MediaWiki and discovered some references to functions that will basically overwrite those in "wikibits.js" so I did what I do best and modified the wikibits.js file and updated all the functions from the Common.js and added the missing functions and code calls.

The collapsable table now works as I wanted. =) Thanks again for all your help. I hope this may be of use to others, however with my luck they'll probably be releasing the latest latest version which will include all these changes and stuff..tomorrow. ;) Who knows, but I'm happy it's working now!--Cider2007 19:37, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

The mouth (writing skills) can be the Admins worst enemy

Matthew 7:12 "Therefore whatever you want men to do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets" Matthew 12:36-37 "But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgement" "For your words you will be justified and your words you will be condemned" James 3:8 But no man can tame the tongue, It is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison. James 3:9 With it we bless our God and Father, and with it we curse men, who have been made in the similitude of God.

Yours Truly, Brother Hemdean Justice157 16:01, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Did you have a question, or are you simply quoting scripture? Please remember our policy on No Personal Attacks. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 16:07, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Just for the record, Wikipedia thumbs its nose at several clear commands in the Bible, for example 1 Timothy, chapter 2: "Let a woman learn in silence with full submission. I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she is to keep silent." Given that Wikipedia has many administrators who are women, it is clear that Wikipedia flatly rejects the Bible as the basis for its authority structure at least in that respect. --Teratornis 17:46, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Converting an image to a .png

I've uploaded an image, at Image:EdenMaineLogo.png. I was hoping that doing so as a .png would make the white background transparent, but I was wrong. Anyway, is there somewhere that I can request somebody help me out with regards to this? Getting the white to transparent, that is. Seegoon 16:28, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately, no. Since that image is copyrighted, we are unable to make any modifications to it without permission from the copyright holder. Sorry. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 16:30, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

How to make new page?

I want to make a new page for a band.. how can i?

See Your first article for information on how to write it. Please make sure your band is notable before you write the article, and that you don't have any conflict of interest, or the article may be deleted. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 17:24, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

How do editors set the descriptive text that appears in a Google search result for a Wikipedia article?

When a Wikipedia article shows up in a Google search the text describing the article frequently doesn't appear in the article, and is obviously written specifically for people searching. How is this text added to an article? 172.212.54.153 18:10, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean. Google searches the text of the article for relevant search terms - if the text cited in the search results does not appear in the article, it's probably because Google is reading an older, cached version of the page. As far as I am aware, there is no "special text" that is provided solely for search engines to use. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 18:14, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

What appears in Google is what's in the article when its bot index the page. The search engine just chooses where about in the article it start showing you the content preview in the search result. What it shows you is affected by your search term(s). KTC 18:17, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

You might have to give an example of the sort of text you see. The most likely explanation is that it's determined by Google. On the other hand it could be text from an old (cached) revision of the article or it could be the keywords which (if I remember correctly) are randomly selected from the linked words in the article. --Cherry blossom tree 18:19, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

The questioner may be asking about text that Google Search sometimes displays from the Open Directory Project (see Open Directory Project#Content users. Of course the questioner should have illustrated this with a link to an example search, so someone could figure out what he or she was talking about. --Teratornis 19:17, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Language bots

Hi! In the last few months I've created many articles that are translations of other language Wikipedia versions or just have a parallel version in one or many languages. I always provide the interwiki link to the other language page on the page here, but I don't always link the other language versions back to the one I created (espically when there are a lot of languages).

I've seen bots adding languages many times before, so my question is this: How do I get the interwiki link adding bot to automatically add them for the pages I create, because it apparently doesn't automatically do it. Hope that question's clear. Thanks! -Theanphibian ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:21, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

You might want to try talking with the operator of one of those bots. You can find interwiki bots by checking this page and searching for the word "interwiki". Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 18:28, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Deleted article requests

I would like the following articles I have written or made major contributions to that have been deleted as non-notable or crystal ball sent to me to post in my sandbox:

• Emily Schwartz
• Kara Hartzler
• List of Monster in My Pocket characters
• Earl Zea

Thanks. --Scottandrewhutchins 18:25, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

You should talk to the deleting administrator. Admins can view and restore deleted articles. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 18:29, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

The appropriate admins are: User:(aeropagitica) User:Flowerparty User:Coredesat and either User:Sasquatch or User:Wizardman, respectively. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 18:32, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

You can request this at Wikipedia:Deletion review#Content review. --Cherry blossom tree 18:33, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Suggestion for Navigation improvement

Hey, I had a suggestion about wikipedia. I think, that while browsing, reading things, and clicking on links to other things you have found while reading an article, it would be convenient to have a toolbar or notepad on the side or toolbar to be able to drag a link onto so that you can finish reading your article and then just click on the link in the toolbar and go straight there, so you dont forget...—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.181.152 (talk • contribs).

Hi. I think a better place for this post is at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals). If you do post there, please give your post a descriptive title (I have provided one for you here), by typing it surrounded by two equal signs (==headline text==) and you should also sign your post by typing four tildes at the end (~~~~) which automatically formats to your signature when you save. Right now you are identified by your ip address. You might consider registering for an account, which has many benefits. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit 21:37, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

The feature you request sounds like the history feature already available in modern Web browsers such as Firefox. In Firefox you can select History | View in Sidebar, and see a list of all the pages you have viewed today, and in the previous several days. You can also bookmark any page in your browser. There are limits to the number of user-interface features Wikipedia can add, because Wikipedia is just a Web site and it relies on the thin client known as your Web browser to handle the interface. Also see Wikipedia:Browser notes. --Teratornis 22:45, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Committed Identity

Hello, how do you create a committed identity thing, and what is it? Thanks, Neranei talk 19:32, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Have a look at Template:User_committed_identity -- KTC 19:34, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

I am not quite sure how to use it. Could you explain? Thanks, Neranei talk 19:37, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Try following the How section of that page, it does a better job of explaining than I can. Feel free to ask if you have any problem with any of its specific point. KTC 21:32, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I appreciate the help. Neranei talk 02:20, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

providing shelter and eventual peprminent housing for abused children in Black, low income areas

I am a 53 year old disabled woman living on a fixed income of $760. per month and am looking to set up a non-profit organization to buy a city block of land located in a poor, mostly African American neighborhood which was affected tremendously by Hurricane Katrina. It is my desire to zero in on the abused children. South Misissippi has a severe housing problem and the poor and low income victims of Hurricane Katrina have the worst quality of life and very little hope of ever seeing homes of their owns. I want to shelter the families of abused children and ultimately (within one or two years) provide affordable housing for 100 to 200 persons.

I need to set up a non-profit organization with which to solicit funding from charitable Foundations. I do not know how to do this, but I do have access to the land, location and abused children. can you advise me. Thank you, Katie King

I'm sorry, but we are only able to provide assistance with use of the English Wikipedia, and cannot offer legal advice. I applaud you for your intentions, but I'm afraid we can't help you. I would suggest you speak with a lawyer or legislator - they may be able to help you get your project started. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 20:20, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Renaming

I would like to know how to rename a page I inserted, Network file control, it should be Network File Control. The last two words show under case and should have been upper case.

I've fixed it for you. In the future, you can rename pages by clicking the "move" tab at the top of the page. If you don't see it now, that's because your account must be at least four days old for security reasons. Happy editing! Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 20:17, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

However, watch out for peacock language: "dramatic," "significant," "unprecedented." Instead of extolling the greatness of the article's subject in vague terms, it would be better to quantitatively state whatever it improves over whatever technology it replaces, and allow the reader to decide for himself or herself how impressed to feel. This is especially true for topics in computing, where the relentless progress of Moore's Law turns every bit of today's gee-whiz technology into tomorrow's junk in just a few years. See: WP:PEACOCK and WP:DATED. --Teratornis 21:21, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

PLEASE HELP

Someone keeps vandalising my notable group link (Group Help Center) from the MSN Groups article. The person concerned is 76.1.25.152 and I cannot find the warning templates to warn them to stop being a troll and because they have already exceeded the three reverts per day rule! Please can someone also revert the vandalism on the MSN Groups page to re-include my notable group (Group Help Center) as if I revert the article I will also break the three reverts per day rule, which I dont want to do. Thanks.

The MSN Groups article had a number of groups which claimed to be notable, but none presented any evidence of this notability. As Wikipedia is not a link farm or repository of links or a web directory, please don't add your link back unless you also provide reliable independent sources which support that claim of notability. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 20:47, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Advertising in User pages

What should I do when I find a User page that is blatant advertising? For a general article, I know I can flag it for deletion (Speedy or AfD), but what about user pages? I've seen 3 such pages in the past week or so -- they're outside the scope of Speedy or AfD, and the users in question have (so far) not vandalized any articles or violated any policies in the Article space. Should I edit their user pages and risk an edit war? Should I report them to Administration? So many choices. HalJor 22:58, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:User page and Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion. PrimeHunter 23:18, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Actually, the "blatant advertising" speedy criterion, G11, applies to *any* page in any namespace, so you can tag it with {{db-spam}}. Confusing Manifestation 23:19, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Oddly, that isn't explicit at WP:SPEEDY. Since there are separate sections for Articles, Redirects, etc., it makes sense now that "General Criteria" would apply to any page. HalJor 02:15, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

You're right. That's the idea, but it's not exactly spelled out. Well, one easy way to fix that ... Confusing Manifestation 04:12, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Nicky Wu's article

Resolved

 – Andy^reply 23:07, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

I have a problem. The article on Nicky Wu has a reference, but it says it has no references! Is someone trying to get the article removed?

The article requires citations not just the one reference that is on the article, where it says "citation needed" are areas that need proof that it is fact from a 3rd party website as well as any other place deemed necesary, for more info on citing articles please see WP:CITE. Hope this helps. Andy^reply 23:07, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Wikis

{{helpme}} How many kinds of wikis are there? To be more specific, how many versions of wikipedia are there? There may be hundreds of wikis out there!

See m:List_of_Wikipedias KTC 23:16, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

There must be thousands of wikis. See List of wikis for some of the more notable, and http://wikiindex.org for a lot more. PrimeHunter 23:22, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

It looks like WikiIndex currently lists 3,850 wikis (WikiIndex only lists public wikis; there are probably thousands more not accessible to the public). As for the kinds of wikis, see: list of wiki software, comparison of wiki software, corporate wiki, structured wiki, bliki, semantic wiki, and {{Wiki topics}} to get you started. --Teratornis 05:56, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

August 14

New Page Isn't There

I've been trying to create a page and I've done it several times over the last month...and it never shows up. What am I doing wrong? Is there someone I can call and talk to?

Betsy

(email removed) (949) 433-6772 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Betsy Scherzer (talk • contribs).

It may have been deleted. What is the exact title? PrimeHunter 00:25, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

From now on before creating a article take a look at WP:N. --Tλε Rαnδom Eδιτor (tαlk) 00:38, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

CoSort was just deleted for the third time. Was that it? Wikipedia:Why was my page deleted?, Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) and Wikipedia:Business FAQ may be of interest. PrimeHunter 00:54, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

How do I modify the title to an existing image?

Specifically, I noted that the image in Spherical Trigonometry labeled "spherical triangle" i.e. one with three interior angles, all variable, was actually that of a right spherical triangles, with only two angles variable, the third being 90 degrees, as evidenced by its German title Rechtkugel dreieck ( rightangle threecorner) I can't find a way to access the image label to modify the text. e-mail: (email removed) Don 00:30, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

The article is Spherical trigonometry with lower case t. Click "edit this page" at the top of it and you can find and edit the image caption. PrimeHunter 01:03, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

spinal disc herniation

Image:Example.jpg —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 138.89.158.79 (talk)

We have an article about Spinal disc herniation. Do you have a question? PrimeHunter 01:41, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

How does the writer of an article delete it?

How does the writer of an article delete it? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Shamwari (talk • contribs).

Well it depends on what the article is. If you are the only contributer, I belive an article in the mainspace can be deleted via CSD:G7. If it your userspace page, e.g. your userpage or subpaces, CSD:U1 applies. Generally you cannot delete your talk page, but sometimes this is allowed, if you are a good faith user and there it nothing that needs to be saved. See WP:CSD. i ^said 01:58, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Add the text {{db-author}} to the top of the page. --h2g2bob (talk) 02:03, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Only use {{db-owner}} if it is your userspace though, i.e. it is prefixed by User:Shamwari/NAMEOFPAGE. If it is in the mainspace, i.e. it is just an article like Ball or England, then use {{db-author}}. i ^said 02:08, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

1953 MGTF

can i research a 1953 MGTF throgh you —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.31.16.102 (talk)

I'm not sure what you have in mind but maybe MG T#TF and TF 1500 is of interest. PrimeHunter 03:04, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Please get this article into Wikipedia

Can you please get this article into Wikipedia? It's not advertising: it's history. Thank you. (I'm old and don't have time to learn how to do all this speedy stuff.)

Pike County Arts & Crafts
Pike County Arts & Crafts (PCAC) is the oldest (established 1950) and largest (200 members) arts education organization in northeastern Pennsylvania. Winner of the 2007 Pennsylvania State "Creative Community Award," PCAC has as its mission "(1) to help artists of all ages to learn, teach, and exhibit their work: (2) to encourage young artists in particular; (3) to enhance the image of Pike County as an arts community." The goals of PCAC are to encourage and inspire local artists to create the best art they can and to help the larger community to see this art, value it, and learn from it.

Membership and Support
A nonprofit organization, PCAC is supported by member dues, donations, and grants form the Pocono Arts Council of the National Endowment for the Arts and the Pike County Commissioners. Headquartered in the Milford Borough Hall building at 109 West Catharine Street, Milford, PA 18337, the group holds regularly-scheduled classes as well as seminars taught by master artists and crafters. (Note: All snail mail should be sent to PO Box 371, not to Borough Hall.) The Board of Directors meets on the third Thursday of each month. The acting director for 20007 is Tauni Ruvolis. The most recent executive directors (currently serving as member-leaders) are Elizabeth Murphy and Victoria Mayer-Connelly. About two-thirds of PCAC's artist-members earn their livelihoods as professional artists or crafters. Non-artist members join the group as "friend of the arts," "arts associates," or "community sponsors."

History
In 1950, a group of local artists who knew each other from the Milford Garden Club decided to hold an art show. Every July since then, PCAC has held its annual show, involving nearly the entire community in the creative process. At the show, museum-caliber work may be displayed near beginners' best efforts. All are important expressions, whether those specific expressions are well-developed masterpieces or merely courageous symbols of an acceptance of a personal challenge to express something visually. The leader in 1950 was Georgiana P. Kiger, in whose name PCAC annually awards "Excellence in Arts" scholarships to local high school seniors. Cofounder Matilda Grech continues to teach a weekly watercolor class. She and Cofounder Harriet Cotterill are active membera of the PCAC Board of Directors

Current Work
What does PCAC do? In a word, it "encourages." First, PCAC encourages artists to share their work and to grow because of their work, regardless of their professional backgrounds, ages, levels of talent, media, or tastes. Additionally, PCAC tries to encourage a spirit of volunteerism as well as an aesthetic sense in the community through other activities besides its July Show, its holiday sale, and its involvement in local fairs and festivals. For example, consider the PCAC Milford Trash Can Project, which is completed by high school students as well as by adult artists, resulting in the most attractive and distinctive trash cans distributed all around the pretty little arts and tourist borough of Milford. Finally, PCAC artists and not-artist volunteers have been actively working with other community groups (Marine Corps League and Knights of Columbus), since the start of the American military involvement in the Middle East, in order to send supplies and gifts to US troops.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Elizabethcmurphy (talk • contribs).

The reference desk may be able to help you with this. The help desk is for questions regarding how to use Wikipedia. Lara♥Love 07:08, 14 August 2007 (UTC) That's what I get for scrolling from the bottom.

If I remember correctly, this article was already created and went through an AfD where it was subsequently deleted for being an advertisement. The way it reads, it's not encyclopedic. It reads like it's been taken from a company website. NPOV is definitely an issue. Also, WP:COI plays a part. Try WP:REQUEST. You can ask that the article be created there, however, it will be written in an encyclopedic tone. Lara♥Love 07:12, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

It appears the text has been at User:Elizabethcmurphy where it was deleted by Papa November after being tagged with {{db-spam}}, and at Pike County Arts & Crafts where it was deleted by Singularity with the same tag. PrimeHunter 15:02, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

How do I cite my cultural knowledge?

Much of what I will post on Wikipedia will be based on what I know as a national of Anguilla - Things about our culture and history that come from oral traditions and my own experiences. For example, I edited the article on Anguilla to include a piece on Sailing. I didn't cite any sources because there isn't much written on the island's culture or history (just it's tourist destinations) but I would vouch for everything I wrote as 100% fact, and other Anguillian sailors would. This leads me to the question - how do I cite what I know from my upbringing? Obviously you can't, but I don't know how else to verify the facts. It's like asking an American to cite a source that says that America was originally a British Colony - It's just a fact. (Although not a fair comparison as much is written on the USA and it's revolutionary war)

Any advice?

Seir Corall 03:20, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately, citing your own knowledge is original research. You must cite things from reliable sources. i ^said 03:34, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

You and your friends can write and "publish" a book. Do this online. It's still original research, but that's OK. Find a web site with the proper policy for your work. (maybe wikibooks?) After you have done that, cite the work from the WP article. WP generally discourages citing your own self-published work like this, but your's is somewhat of a special case: You and your friends are the only experts and there is no published work on your area of expertise. If you can get together with the right college professor, You might even get an article in a scholarly journal and (if it's meaningful for you) some college credit. -Arch dude 12:55, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

What time zone do you use?

When you make current events on Wikipedia, what time zone do you use because it is ahead of us. For example, my time is now 11:45pm Eastern Time in New York, you had events for the next day.

Wikipedia uses Coordinated Universal Time (UTC). --_{Hdt83 Chat} 04:37, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

I referred to help:images.But its saying that we cannot lonk images to another internal page in wikipedia.

Hi,

I referred to help:images.But its saying that we cannot lonk images to another internal page in wikipedia.Can u please help me in doing this.Also i want to upload my team outing pics in my wiki page that i have developed.but the images are huge in number.So i thought i could put it in a folder format or something similar to that.But i wanted to know how to do that in wiki?

expecting response ASAP, Priya.N

How to change how your name looks when you sign a talk page?

I'm new here and I noticed that a lot of people around here are able to change their username to be smaller, change color, change font, etc. I was just wondering how you do that, or if you can't change how it looks when you use ~~~~, then do you just write the actual code for signing your username? Thanks! ChipChamp 04:52, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

You change the way your sigs look under the "signature" box in "My preferences". When you add ocding in the sig, make sure the "raw signature" is checked. See WP:SIG for more details. --_{Hdt83 Chat} 05:19, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict) See WP:SIG and this user's project in order to format your signature. Miranda 05:21, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

procedures for foreigners to open an account

Good afternoon, Im a malaysian and looking forward to open an account with ocbc singapore,my question is

1) the procedure and documentation required for foreigners to open an account 2) what is the minimum amount required to be bank in for a start 3) which type of account would you recommend me to open,im looking for higher returns...pls advise 4) benefits in opening the account with ocbc singapore

for further question pls do not hesitate to call me at <contact details removed> thanks shahrom≥

Perhaps you should take a look at Wikipedia:About. We're not a bank, we're a encyclopedia project.--Max Talk (+) 05:50, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

My Page Deleted

Dear Admin,

My Page Name Mustufa Dudhiawala has been deleted can u please restore it— Preceding unsigned comment added by Vainics (talk • contribs)

The page was deleted because it was judged to be "about a real person that does not assert the importance or significance of its subject." Please see WP:BIO for the standard of inclusion for Wikipedia. KTC 07:06, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Why was my page deleted? and WP:NOTABILITY may also be helpful. Regards, Lara♥Love 07:07, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Multiple Watchlists

The only possible way I found to have multiple watchlists is by creating sockpuppet accounts. (Related changes doesn't allow for what I want) Is there another way? ---Sluzzelin talk 07:16, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

You can create a 'doppelganger' account if you wish to use another account which isn't used for editing. If you make the account, follow the instructions outlined at WP:DOPPEL. — E ^talk_bots 07:19, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, E! I hadn't thought of that. Would be acceptable to create, say, Sluzzelin1, Sluzzelin2 etc. for a purpose not specified in the linked help page? I'm fine with not editing, but I'd like to have several and wouldn't be creating them to prevent impersonation, but purely for list-watching. ---Sluzzelin talk 07:38, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Just a question, why do you want multiple watchlists? i ^said 07:42, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Several reasons. First of all, a lot of my editing is damage control (this includes reverting vandalism, tests and misguided good faith edits, but also organization, wikification, or referencing of newly added information), but I don't like using "Recent changes". I prefer having a long watchlist on topics that interest me. I'd like to group my topics for two reasons mainly: Quantity (over 10,000 articles seem to challenge most computers I use) and quality (I'd like to have grouped sub-lists depending on my editing-mentality and on my access to offline references). ---Sluzzelin talk 07:51, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Maybe you should subscribe to the RSS feeds of each article. If you have an RSS reader that allows you to group a bunch of feeds, you could just refresh the list every time you wanted to check. See WP:RSS --Max Talk (+) 07:58, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

(ec)Okay. Then I would suggest creating legitimate sock(s) for this purpose. A doppelganger doesn't really apply, since its purpose is not preventing impersonation. And aside, you revert vandlaism etc. only on pages you have watchlisted, but you watchlist pages en masse for this purpose? i ^said 07:59, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestions, Max and i, I will certainly explore them. And you are partially correct, i. Not only to fight vandalism, as explained above, but also. Just to give two unrelated topics: I watchlist many articles on music and many on Swiss topics, because I am familiar with these themes and can be a better judge of a new change's quality and potential for improvement than if I used "Recent changes" and came across topics I'm neither interested in, nor know anything about. ---Sluzzelin talk 08:06, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

As another solution to this problem, you could set up something akin to User:Luna Santin/Sockwatch. – Luna Santin (talk) 08:29, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Please help me

I put a help template on my tale page but no one has replyed. Its urgent. --BaconBreakfastPan 09:04, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

I already reply when you posted this topic. You didn't state your question / problem for anyone to help you. Also, you only posted it for a few minutes, please be patience. KTC 09:09, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

I stated my question. Please answer it. --BaconBreakfastPan 09:10, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

And I did. :) KTC 09:13, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Salesman

What does a salesman do? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.209.44.229 (talk • contribs) 09:55, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Someone that's in Sales? KTC 10:00, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Introducing a debatable idea

I want to suggest an idea I believe to be valid and worthwhile, but encourage comments and possible corrections of it from the Wikipedia community. What markup can I use in the text of an article to do this?

Frankieparley 10:36, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

If you feel that a discussion will be useful or that one will inevitably occur, then place your proposed text on the article's talk page and solicit comments there. You and other editors can then strive for consensus and get it right prior to moving the text tot eh article. If nobody comments after awhile (a week at least) or if you reach consensus with what in your opinion is a good set fo editors, then move the text tot he article. remember WP:CITE, WP:OR, WP:NPOV. -Arch dude 12:31, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

(Can another editor please answer the original question about how to ask for review help? I'm not clear on this so I did not address that part of the question. -Arch dude 12:31, 14 August 2007 (UTC))

re http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Berkofsky

Could you please help? The photo which used to be on this page

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Berkofsky

has been deleted/vandalised.

The photo belongs to us (i.e., the Cristofori Foundation- login is KC3RE,) as we paid the photographer to take it (it was taken in Tchaikovsky Hall, Moscow,) and we own all of this rights to it. We wish to make it available to you as public domain, available for anyone to use freely.

We tried to upload the photo/revert, etc., but were totally unsuccessful.

Could you help us to re-establish the photo?

Many thanks.

4.249.228.235 10:45, 14 August 2007 (UTC) The Cristofori Foundation

It's probably User:Klptyzm. He's a problem so get rid of him now. Savoie 10:54, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Ban the freak

User:Klptyzm IS a sockpuppet of Craxy. Can somebody please ban him? He's abused the "Ricardo Diaz" page again and has said I'm a puppet when I'm NOT. Here it is:

Excuse my paranoia, but it's highly possible this editor is someone's puppet. ♣ Klptyzm ^{Chat wit' me § Contributions} ♣ 22:42, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Klptyzm is really a mentally-ill puppet of Craxy belonging to Vertigo and Willy On Wheels. He has attacked several users including Croctotheface and I KNOW that for a fact.

This is a quote to Klptyzm:

This is the only warning you will receive for your disruptive edits. If you vandalize Wikipedia again, as you did to Ricardo Diaz, you will be blocked from editing.

*BAN* HIM, QUICK! BEFORE HE STRIKES AGAIN! Savoie 10:50, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Move!! Tirukural to Thiruk-kural

Resolved

I tried to move the title of the page Tirukural to Thiruk-kural. Something went wrong.

Would you like to help me out! Thank you

S.Ratnakumar 10:53, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

If you wish to move the page, please visit Wikipedia:Requested Moves. --Boricuaeddie 12:04, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Adding an internal link

Hey Guys,

I would like to add a internal link to "Albu Salih (sub Clan)" It can be found when searching for "Shammar" I tried using the button on your edit box which says "internal link" but it doesn't show up after i save it. Please let me know how i can add that link.

Thank you for you consideration,

ALI

Welcome to Wikipedia! You can create an internal link with two brackets before and after the word. For example, [[Wikipedia]] gives Wikipedia. You can also create a link to a page with a different word than the page title, by using a pipe. For example, [[Wikipedia|The greatest encyclopedia ever]] gives The greatest encyclopedia ever. See also Help:Link#Wikilinks. Melsaran 11:40, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

To be clear, to add a link, you must edit the page (or section.) This is essentially the same process you used to post your question, except that your question is a new sectin of the help page. You edit the page by clicking the "edit this page" tab at the top. This is best for a small page or the first section of any page. You edit a section by clicking the (edit) "link" at the right end of the section header. These little links move around a bit when there are images, but you can find the correct one by mousing over them. In any case, after clicking you will get an edit window full of wiki markup language. At this point, you can add the double brackets mentioned above, then preview to check your work, and then save. Please see WP:EDIT. -Arch dude 12:19, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Incomplete GD library configuration: missing function imagecreatefrompng

Hi,

I uploaded the image on wiki page.But the problem what am facing is when i try to make that image as a thumbnailed one,iam getting the following error.

Incomplete GD library configuration: missing function imagecreatefrompng

I wanted to know why am getting this error instead of displaying that image as a thumbnail.

Thanks, Priya.N

Posting external links

Hi there

I work for a poker advice site - www.guidetopoker.com - that offers stories, interviews and profiles on the world of poker. I posted several external links to player pages on wikipedia yesterday eg Phil Laak, Shannon Elizabeth and Jennifer Tilly. The links were to the guidetopoker.com site to profiles of the players. They have all been removed. I don't understand why my links have been removed while other websites offering profiles of poker players are allowed to remain? I am just pointing people to our profiles of the players that add to their overall description.

Regards

Onaroll 12:11, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Hmm. I really don't know. The links looked okay. I'll ask User:2005, the user who removed them, why he did this. --Boricuaeddie 12:14, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

I have not checked out the content of those links (and can't right now since I'm at work and behind a corporate firewall). I certainly welcome Onaroll and any positive contributions he might make. Keep in mind that posting links to a commercial gaming site that happends to be one's employer may be a conflict of interest. Keeping the poker and gambling articles clear of spam is a constant battle. How about posting the links in some of the talk pages of the players, and stating the value that they add? ♣♦ SmartGuy ♥♠ 13:27, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

OSMTH -Sovereign military order of the temple of jerusalem

Hello, in your article, you have: 1. Forgotten to mention the split in 1995 that occured in the OSMTH led by Mr Sousa Fontes 2. Consequently , you have named Col Stewart McCarthy as Grand Prior of the USA. This is not true anymore, there have been 3 other grand priors since then, and the current USA Grand Prior is Major General Robert DISNEY. The Grand Master of the Order is Rear Admiral James CAREY. The Grand Commander of the Order is Brigadier General Patrick E. REA. 3. OSMTH International is NOW - SINCE 1995 - NOT LINKED WITH MR FONTES . We are recognosed by the United Nations as an Non Governemental Organisation sine july 2002,we participate in the DPI of the United Nations, and we are member of the International Peace Bureau. 4. at present, we have Grand Priories (autonomous national entities) in 13 countries, and smaller representations in numerous others. 5. Our websites are : www.osmth.org (international web site) , www.osmth-france.org (in french), and we have other websites linked to these 2

Thank you to correct your article.

LtCol Marcel de PICCIOTTO Grand Chancellor-elect ,OSMTH

These changes can't be made without including reliable, third-party sources (see WP:V and WP:RS). --Boricuaeddie 13:08, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

PS RELIABLE SOURCES: About the NGO Status and DPI membership : www.UN.ORG , under ECOSOC section, NGOs "sovereign military order of the temple of jerusalem "(OSMTH) , address of Grand Commander and web site address are referenced on page www.un.org/dpi/ngosection/asp/form.asp?RegID=all&CnID=all&kw=&NGOID=2904 as well as on page: http://esa.un.org/coordination/ngo/search/DisplayOrgInfo.asp?OrgID=1789&Mode=view

OTHER SOURCES: our websites cited in text, and our swiss registry Number CH Lt Col de PICCIOTTO

I've posting the message to the article talk page. Hopefully there are editors with the article on their watchlist who will be interested in researching, verifying and writing it into the article. Lara♥Love 13:42, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

ANSWERS AND VERIFICATION CAN BE FOUND ON YOUR OWN PAGE : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soverign_Military_Order_of_the_Temple_of_Jerusalem

so it would be nice if your pages would be "congruent"...

Not sure what you mean by that, but our article is at Sovereign Military Order of the Temple of Jerusalem --Dweller 14:02, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Same link. Ones internal, the other is external... but they lead to the same place. Now, as for the answers and verification, perhaps the problem is that the article has been abandoned. Meaning that no editors are currently checking on it regularly or are interested in maintaining its accuracy. Lara♥Love 14:15, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Not quite... if you click the external link posted by the anon, there's a typo, leading to a blank page. And I didn't understand what was meant by the "congruent" comment (still don't, for that matter) --Dweller 14:21, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Touché. Perhaps he means consistent... or ... oh, maybe he means he would like the information on our site to be "congruent" with that of the sources. That makes sense... kind of. Lara♥Love 15:23, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Strange categorization

A while ago I added some code to {{non-free reduced}} in order to categorize the ones that have had the tag for more than 7 days (after which the old revisions can be deleted) in Category:Rescaled fairuse images more than 7 days old. However, it seems that it sometimes simply misses a file, and I have not been able to see any pattern to it. For instance, Image:Black Eyed Peas - Dont Phunk With My Heart - CD cover.jpg was tagged 7 days ago now, and at the bottom of the page I do see it listed in the category. However, when I go there, it is not listed. Similarly, a query doesn't list it in that category. I've tried purging everything, and still no luck. It has worked on other files, though, so I'm not sure what could cause this. Maybe just some sort of database lag? I've seen it happen before, and it went away around the time I edited the {{non-free reduced}} template again. --Pekaje 14:20, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Interesting ... It seems a null edit to the template brought some old images into the category all of a sudden. --Pekaje 15:31, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

external links cont...

Hi there

I have seen the reply to my initial request by SmartGuy who has taken the links I posted yesterday down. SmartGuy can you elaborate on where and what the talk pages of the players are and also can you tell me why poker pages or Bluff magazine for example can link to their articles while I can't link to profiles/interviews on guidetopoker.com that add to the players' profiles?

Onaroll 14:26, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Relevant policy is WP:EL, although I think the point being made was that the links you provided were probably within policy and therefore should be permitted. Talk pages for articles can be found by going to the relevant article and clicking the "discussion" tag. --Dweller 14:38, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

If you are a poker enthusiast, you may wish to edit on a poker-friendly wiki. You can search WikiIndex for: poker which finds some possibilities: Pokerpedia and PokerWiki. In general, wikis that cater to particular interests accept a wider range of unencyclopedic content in their topic areas than Wikipedia does. That is, on a poker-specific wiki you would just think about poker, whereas on Wikipedia you have to think about all that other policy and guideline stuff. This is not to say you should abandon Wikipedia, but you should also find other wikis that cater to your interests and accept the content that Wikipedia rejects. --Teratornis 15:06, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia's end

Hello. If Wikipedia is a Wikimedia Project, then will Wikipedia end? If yes, when? Thanks in advance. --Mayfare 14:45, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

I hope not. --Boricuaeddie 14:50, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

It states on Wikipedia:10 things you didn't know about Wikipedia (can't remember the exact name of the article) that Wikipedia's founders want it to last forever, so not too soon! Lradrama 14:52, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

You were close: Wikipedia:10 things you did not know about Wikipedia; the Editor's index never forgets. --Teratornis 14:59, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Restoring access

Dear Colleagues,

I have a Wiki account but have lost both my user name and password.

Thank you for helping me restore access to Wikipedia.

Prof. Dr. J. M. Day Universite catholique de Louvain, Belgium —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.242.250.58 (talk • contribs).

Hello Prof Day. The bad news is that I'm afraid you'll have to create a new account. The good news is that it's free of charge and doesn't take very long. --Dweller 15:12, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Creating a new account is OK. If you prefer to continue with the old then there may be a chance of reviving it. If you remember pages you have edited with it then look for the user name in the page history. If you find the user name and you gave an email address for the account then request a new password to be sent to the address. PrimeHunter 15:58, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Problem with article

A user has recently added the Template:Age in years and days to the List of English Football League managers by date of appointment. As part of his edit he seems to have corrupted something. Half of the templates do not work anymore including the featured list ones. In fact it is any below the Tony Mowbray insert. I removed the Tony Mowbray insert (on show preview) and the featured list worked again and a few more cite news templates worked but the majority still didn't work.

As the user has stated on the talk page that he doesn't know what has happened, i thought i would come here. Anyone got an idea how to fix it. Thanks Woodym555 16:07, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

please compatet/help

my article Budaniv School Ternopil is good and i give to you and your wiki (лицензияланған дерек тарату) please make on front page ok? --Budgenpapertissue 16:11, 14 August 2007 (UTC)