Talk:Godflesh

The Grindcore Confusion with Godflesh...?

Alright, I started noticing that people have been editing Godflesh's page, espeicially with the genre box to the right, adding that they were once grindcore/deathgrind when in reality, they NEVER had anything to do with any of those genres even though Justin K Broadrick was once in grindcore pioneers Napalm Death and also has admited that early Godflesh has had death metal influences. It's nonsense if you ask me though, their music has nothing to do with fast blast beats or fast huge chunks of heavy palm muted riffs. Their whole purpose of existing was to make "apocolyptic" style gloomy industrial metal music. Any thoughts on this confusion with the band?

It's a tough call, since Godflesh really were a genre unto themselves. However, it's not too far-fetched to lump them in with grindcore, since, for most of the band's history, those are the sorts of bands it played with, like every other band on the Earache roster. Ford MF 06:24, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Also, I'm going to take down the neutrality banner if that's all the controversy is. That's an incredibly minor thing. Ford MF 06:25, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

I provided a suorce. Godflesh were Industrial Grindcore.--Etos 13:28 (UTC)

Hello Etos, I understand that you have provided a source, but I am afraid I must dispute its accuracy entirely as Godflesh have never been a grindcore band. If you can provide even a single example of a Godflesh song that could fall under the grindcore genre, feel free to post it here. Being very familiar with Godflesh's music I am certain there is not even one such song. Often Godflesh are wrongly referred to as Grindcore due to their association with Earache records, which was a leading label in the field in its early days, although Godflesh were always a notable exception to the grindcore and arguably even the metal genres predominant in its roster Inflammator 12:57, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, but i just want to asking, why in hell www.anus.com has defined them as grind? Well, the many sites, wich are stated, that Godflesh were once or allways been grindcore, are certainly unreliable . But, problem and exception is, because anus site's work/activity is, define extreme metal. Etos

It is strange indeed; maybe someone should write to them about it. I suppose it's a categorization by association sort of thing. Broadrick himself has said in an interview (maybe more than one) that Godflesh are sometimes called grindcore but are not; a fact that any grind fan should easily be able to attest to! :) Inflammator 12:43, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Allright, i saw a grindcore tag again in page. Im removing that genre, knowing that, consensus is that the wre never grindcore, but can whoever who put grindcorem label give some explains to adding grindcore tag to the genre. Or was that, just simply vandalism? Etos

Black Sabbath?

Where do they show this in there sound? I feel it should be removed unless there is a cited source. There are various artists around these days which are classified as metal (specifically doom) because of the the of the tone of their instruments. Godflesh was highly influenced by Justins "core" background. The lyrics, imagery, vocal style and tone of bass are all easily traced back to "core".

Also a quick digging into of 80's industrial (if you wish for me to name drop I certainly will) does nothing but strengthen their lack of supposed Black Sabbath influence. The dark and abrasive sounds of the artists of the era clearly show a lot more relevance to Godflesh's work.

brian.bl[at]hotmail.com

I strongly disagree, as your argument makes it seem like grindcore bands somehow invented that tone. For my money, Godflesh clearly shares a number of similarities with Black Sabbath. Not derivative, just similar.

Well, he did not gain the influence of having the bass up high in the mix from Black Sabbath did he? And the Guitars are just sonic soundscapes. Rather then anything else.

brian.bl[at]hotmail.com

If you really want derivative, you should be talking about Killing Joke, as their first record (1979, I think) sounds like half of Godflesh's output from the 90s. Check out the song "Requiem" if you ever get the chance. Ford MF 16:59, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi - I'm Nic Bullen: I've known Justin Broadrick since 1983 (when we played together in the project Final). I have to say that Justin has been influenced by Black Sabbath: he grew up with them playing in the background (courtesy of his father and step-father), and both him and I were influenced by Black Sabbath when we decided to tune our guitars to a lower pitch in Napalm Death. Black Sabbath are definitely an influence on the sound of Godflesh (perhaps more in terms of approach and mood rather than actual physical 'riffing'). One thing to say about one specific point: the bass on Black Sabbath records is actually fairly high in the mix for an average 'rock' / 'pop' record. Justin would also never deny that he was MASSIVELY influenced by Killing Joke (as he was by Big Black, and - to a lesser extent - groups like Slab! and No Trend).

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Godflesh self titled cover pic

The cover pic from Godflesh's self titled albumn is not William Hurt from "Altered States" it's from the movie "Begotten". You can even tell it's not William Hurt because it is a picture of A WOMAN (the "Mother Earth" character from "Begotten"). I thought the "Begotten" image was common knowledge and makes more sense than "Altered States" due to the exteremely graphic violent and surreal nature of "Begotten". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.144.142.198 (talk) 00:18, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi - I'm Nic Bullen: I've known Justin Broadrick since 1983. I'm afraid that you are incorrect in thinking that the cover of Godflesh's self-titled album (originally on Swordfish, then Earache) is from the film 'Begotten'. The picture is a still from the film 'Seconds' (1966 - d/John Frankenheimer) which features Rock Hudson as a bored executive who pays to be 'disappeared' and reappear with plastic surgery: the image itself is from the scenes where Hudson is forcibly restrained and sedated before the film's closing scenes, and the camera begins to be anamorphically distorted to demonstrate Hudson's fear. It was a favourite film of Gary 'Benny' Green (the bassplayer of Godflesh) - he recorded it from a showing on the English television channel BBC 2 in the mid-1980's. For another thing, 'Begotten' received a theatrical release in 1991 which is 3 years after the Godflesh self-titled record was originally released on Swordfish Records in 1988. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hexing agent (talk • contribs) 13:57, 16 October 2007 (UTC)