User talk:John Vandenberg/Archive 4

RfB

Not that your support or opposition is going to change anything at this late stage, , but i have responded at length to your concerns, and must admit, I am troubled by your decision to focus on one, uncontrolled event, instead of looking at 30+ months of consistent editing. More specific examples are on the RfB page. Thank you for your time and interest in participating. -- Avi (talk) 15:13, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

My final response is posted on the RfB page; thank you for taking the time to engage in discussion, albeit that we agree to disagree. As a courtesy, I am letting you that I plan to re-run for RfB after a few weeks/months more participation on RfA's. I hope by that time you will have come to understand with, and agree to, my point, but if not, please bring your concerns again at that time. Thanks. -- Avi (talk) 17:39, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Request layout change on editing buttons

Plesae see Bugzilla:13065, it went to WONTFIX as final outcome. Thank you for you attention.--Namazu-tron (talk) 03:47, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Wikisource collaboration on George W. Bush

Sure. I'll tackle the radio addresses, and search for speeches. - Mtmelendez ^(Talk) 03:50, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

My RfB

I wanted to personally thank you, Jay, for your participation in my recent RfB. I am sorry that you feel that once incident, in which I was a passive participant, and over which I had no control was enough to outweigh 30+ months and 21K+ edits, and I am gratified that almost everyone else saw fit to either support my request, or oppose for technical and not fundamental reasons. Regardless, if you have any suggestions, comments, or constructive criticisms, please let me know via talkpage or e-mail. Thank you again. -- Avi (talk) 18:20, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

WS Collaboration project

G'day, this weeks Wikisource collaboration project is G. W. Bush. We need your help ! :-) John Vandenberg (talk) 03:23, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, but I'm afraid that I have neither the time nor the motivation to participate this time around. Nonetheless, good luck to you! —Remember the dot ^(talk) 05:26, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

The article Anthony Pratt (Visy Board)was first added in October 2007, then a few comment from a disgruntled person were added on Feb 21st 2008, we tried to take them off, but they we coming back. Anthony Pratt asked to take the entire article off as it posses a risk to his image.

What proof do we need to show to prevent the repopulation of the article? Or is there a legal address we can put in communication to with our Legal council?

I have to users here: jsmdbm and jmerelo and we represent Anthony Pratt. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmerelo (talk • contribs) 03:05, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

My request for bureaucratship

Dear Jay, thank you for taking part in my RfB. As you may know, it was not passed by bureaucrats.
I would, however, like to thank you for taking the time to voice your support, despite concerns cited by the opposition. Although RfA/B isn't really about a person, but more about the community, I was deeply touched and honoured by the outpouring of support and interest in the discussion. I can only hope that you don't feel your opinion was not considered enough - bureaucrats have to give everyone's thoughts weight.
I also hope that the results of this RfB lead to some change in the way we approach RfBs, and some thought about whether long-entrenched standards are a good thing in our growing and increasingly heterogenous community.
I was a little miserable after the results came out, so I'm going to spread the love via dancing hippos. As you do. :)
I remain eager to serve you as an administrator and as an editor. If at any point you see something problematic in my actions, please do not hesitate to call me out. ~ Riana ⁂ 13:42, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Article deletion.

yes, thanks. There was a mistake in the title. You can delete that page, that'll be fine. Thanks again.

oh also, if you could, the title of this article: Oakwood (Staten Island Railway station) is incorrect, it should be: Oakwood Heights (Staten Island Railway station) Again, thanks a lot. Maigot1 (talk) 04:25, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Article Deletion

Hi there,

We noticed that the article "PDFNet SDK" was deleted by you in September 2007. The article explained a PDF software library (an alternative high-performing technology to Adobe's technology).

If go to the category "PDF", go to #7(Implementations), and then under "See Also" go to "List of PDF Software", you will find a list of different PDF software tools and development libraries (both open source as well as proprietary).

Since PDFNet SDK is a very reputable PDF development library and an alternative to Adobe's technology, we felt it was a very valid addition to that list (and as such also the creation of the article). It was done by following the examples of other companies and software listed on that page.

If the entry of PDFNet SDK was invalid, then perhaps the whole "List of PDF Software" and the articles they point to should be deleted as well. If not, then we would appreciate the undeletion of the article and the inclusion of the entry in the list.

In case you need more information about PDFNet SDK or the company PDFTron Systems Inc., there is plenty of informaiton available on the internet.

Thank you in advance for your consideration, —Preceding unsigned comment added by PDFguru (talk • contribs) 00:28, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

In response to your inquiry:

"If you can identify independent reviews of "PDFNet SDK", by reputable sources (preferably in print), I will look at them. John Vandenberg (talk) 00:47, 13 March 2008" (UTC)(Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:PDFguru")

You can find the most recent, independent review of PDFNet SDK in an article "High-Level Programmierung" published in the December 2007 issue of Desktop Dialog - Das Publishing Magazin (a German DTP/Prepress magazine) as part of its monthly "PDF in Motion" series. You can probably view the article at: [1] or you can also refer to the following link: [2]

PDFNet SDK is also often reviewed as well as listed on independent, reputable PDF and developer community sites such as Planet PDF [3], Dev Direct [4] and others.

Isn't this the kind of information though that is reviewed before an article is deleted? PDFguru (talk) 19:32, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

In general, no. The onus is to provide evidence of notability not to prove lack of it. --BozMo talk 14:06, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

I see. The notability of PDFNet SDK would probably be easier to see for someone involved in the PDF field, but may be more difficult to recognize for someone not generally interested in this area. In the PDF developer community, PDFNet SDK is well known.

Regarding "There is an expectation that an admin will look for sources if it is an obviously "notable" topic, however it isnt required. In this case, I wasnt able to find any quickly[1]. This looks ok; can you identify others? John Vandenberg (talk) 01:21, 16 March 2008 (UTC)"

...So, in addition to the article mentioned, you can also find an independent printed and online review of PDFNet SDK in a 2005 issue of How-to-Select Guide for PDF .NET components: [5]

Perhaps it may also help that PDFNet SDK and PDFTron are listed in the Open Directory Project (Dmoz) to which Wikipedia already points to for External Sources (under the 'List of PDF Software'). See: [6] and [7]

In addition, there are also a number of news and listings about PDFNet SDK (and PDFTron). For some examples please see: [8], [9], [10], [11], [12],[13], [14], [15], etc., etc.

Hopefully this will help to prove the 'notability' of PDFNet SDK and be sufficient to add it to the 'List of PDF Software' and undelete the article. Thanks.PDFguru (talk) 23:21, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

WSEAS

To me the recent expansion at WSEAS seemed too much (I commented at the talk. Frankly I had just assumed one of it's staff had done that, but presumably I was mistaken. Pete St.John (talk) 18:27, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I had similar thoughts, but I decided against rolling back in order to help bring the user into the fold. I think we need to integrate the new content offered by these users, and show them how to present it nicely. John Vandenberg (talk) 23:31, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Pardon me, I got confused about who editted which. And agreed, we'd like to help them integrate, but the last revert was an SPA-- a new one, a single-edit-account. Anyway thanks for your patience. Pete St.John (talk) 03:05, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Regarding Prem Rawat Case...

I hope this is the right place for this question(s) (I think I saw it was you who opened the case), if it's inappropriate, or should be directed elsewhere by policy, please let me know. After reviewing all the relevant documentation I could find it looks like I was a little quick off the draw with my statement regarding the Prem ArbCom case. It seems that my comment would have been better located on the evidence page after the case was opened. Do I need to cutNpaste my comments onto that page, or will my initial statement be considered already? or is there something else I should be doing if I want my statements considered?

Thanks.

-- Maelefique ^(talk) 02:53, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Your initial statement will continue to be read and considered by everyone, however it is advisable to distil it down into smaller chunks of evidence, and place them on the evidence page. Take a look at one or two prior cases to see how the evidence is presented: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Franco-Mongol alliance/Evidence (case closed) and Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Highways 2/Evidence (case yet to be closed). John Vandenberg (talk) 03:02, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

WP:Wikiproject Tool update

A few updates in events:

• Maynard James Keenan has been listed for copy-edit at the WP:LoCE, however, the backlog is quite long. Therefore, if anyone has copy-editing skills, please go over the article. I would do it myself, but I've done quite a bit of work on the article and I am incapable of copy-editing my own work.
• Maynard James Keenan discography has been worked back into the bio and has been determined to be redundant of the main discographies. It will most likely be deleted this week.
• Devo Keenan has been created. I think this is a good opportunity for the project to get together and create a DYK entry. The article needs to be expanded and referenced. Hopefully this is possible. I've not yet looked to see how much information is available. Please take time to help with this, if you can. We have four days!!

Thanks to everyone who has helped thus far. The project is still very new, but good progress is being made! Lara❤Love 03:59, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

the sydney Journal

Hi there, Just thought I'd drop you, and others from the recent meetup, a line and mention that the first edition of the Dictionary of Sydney's online, peer-reviewed journal is now live.

The Sydney Journal is the first (and most academically rigorous) "product" of the Dictionary. It will be a quarterly publication with a variety of texts from upcoming Dictionary articles and is hosted by UTS E-press. This edition features 4 thematic articles, 6 ethnicities and 5 suburbs - all specifically related to Sydney.

I hope you find it useful and interesting - If nothing else it's essays are eminently referenceable for their corresponding articles here on WP.

Best, Witty Lama 12:55, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Wikisource calls again

Me again :-) We have two candidates for CU on Wikisource, and we need to accumulate 25 votes in favour in order to be approved. While I am one of the candidates, I dont mind whether you vote for or against me; this note is just to ensure that you know that as you are a serious contributor to Wikisource, and we dont have many, your input is desirable at this stage. John Vandenberg (talk) 05:47, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

I'd be happy to support you, but I don't have a strong opinion on the other candidates. I'm sure you'll do well! —Remember the dot ^(talk) 05:51, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for participating. I'm sure Pathoschild wont mind; he has been around a lot longer, so I am sure he will also fair well. John Vandenberg (talk) 07:18, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the nice welcome message

Hi, John,

Thank you for the warm and very helpful welcome.

I'll try not to pester you with too many questions. That {{helpme}} is a really cool trick.

Kindest regards, Snakesteuben (talk) 08:09, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, ahem, here's something that's been bugging me for a few weeks. I see you're also present on the de wiki.

I would like to crank out some wishlist items that have existed for 6 months or more. Most of these are on the Deutsch site and/or wiktionary entries. But the idea is applicable here, too. But I'm struggling with the formatting--especially on the German side, my German is a bit better than kein--at bedenklich (dubious). So I haven't written word one, except for an aborted draft hung off my user page.

Then I came up with what I thought was a brilliant idea! I thought I'd put the word, translation, information, complete with usage notes, etc., unformatted, on the word's talk page. Then I would point the original requester to that talk page, and make an entry on the wishlist page also pointing to what I had done. The original page would still show up as a redlink, so no harm would be done.

The user who wanted it would have his information, and whenever someone was motivated to write the entry, they could see the content I put there, and use/adapt it, or not, just starting from scratch. Again, no worse off. And nobody gives me a boatload of Mist for screwing up the formatting.

But it doesn't work! I looked around to see if anyone ever did that. On the contrary. Discussion on a redlink page is grounds for speedy deletion! Oh well.

I don't get that. It seems as though there are some people who affirmatively enjoy the formatting side--or writing bots/procedures for formatting entries. OTOH, I'll bet I could crank out 20 in the time it takes me to format one to everybody's satisfaction.

Do you think my idea might have any merit whatsoever?

Thanks again, Snakesteuben (talk) 08:59, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Wow. Absolutely Brilliant! Do you have a fan page/forum? (But I'll definitely let you know if my DE nemesis busts my chops about the stub. :-P) Snakesteuben (talk) 10:45, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

P.S. If anybody wants templates ported across wikis, consider me a resource. (E.g. I've just about finished adapting this one over to Frisian.)

Snakesteuben (talk) 10:45, 20 March 2008 (UTC)