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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Nukeh (talk | contribs) at 04:25, 26 April 2008 (→‎"testable forces": *http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AYoung_Earth_creationism&diff=203096479&oldid=203093959). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

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I just noticed that three of your nominations on WP:ITN/C were withdrawn. I want to recommend you go through the archives of ITN/C, to see what was brought up before, what made it to ITN and what didn't. Generally speaking fives types of events make it to ITN: major scientific breakthroughs, national elections, major sporting events, significant prizes/awards and incidents/tragedies/disasters. If you have any other questions about ITN/C, feel free to leave me a message. I see you are eager to help out, but I can imagine that withdrawing three nominations is not good for your motivation to continue. AecisBrievenbus 12:43, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your concern. At least we are not broadcast TV running the same few stories over and over again. One of my problems might be that I do not watch broadcast TV, nor do I read anything that requires a fee.
What I am discouraged about is WP's hate articles, which seem to be controlled by a few editors - if that. I spent a lot of time on YEC and related articles that try to debunk Creation with science, but a line is drawn such that nothing more fundamental than biology can be referenced. That's very strange, because good mathematicians and physicists know we are dealing with some very fundamental and unresolved issues in time, complexity, and P=NP. I call these hate articles, because YEC = Amish is true and can't be referenced. (YEC = stupid) is the POV of the controlling editors. But that leads to Amish = stupid, and that is false to an extent that is hateful.

Doug Youvan (talk) 20:53, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Tariq Aziz

Please goto the Talk:Tariq Aziz page to justify your edits. -- Esemono (talk) 13:10, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Creation and evolution in public education

"testable forces"

FYI, I've unhidden and weighed in on discussion you started, here. NCdave (talk) 14:20, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dave - thanks. Those guys have greater editing skills than me, and I see you nailed a tag. I had no idea such a tag existed. Also, my attempts to insert Amish into the YEC article failed. My attempts to discuss the physics of time asymmetry anywhere these guys edit have also failed. I get gang banged. If one looks to money motivation, any chance these guys are part of a textbook lobby group? Anything that might change textbook content cost publishers a lot of money, and meatpuppets would be far cheaper. Doug Youvan (talk) 14:33, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Anti-Molecular Biology POV: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ACreation_and_evolution_in_public_education&diff=208160944&oldid=208157146 Doug Youvan (talk) 20:45, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Neo-Nazi POV: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Creation_and_evolution_in_public_education&diff=208193848&oldid=208193133 Doug Youvan (talk) 21:13, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Anti-Amish POV: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Young_Earth_creationism&diff=203090565&oldid=203088478 Doug Youvan (talk) 22:05, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Anti-Physics POV: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Young_Earth_creationism&diff=202574549&oldid=202566772 Doug Youvan (talk) 22:08, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Control WP Editing of Articles POV: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Hrafn&diff=prev&oldid=207149325 Doug Youvan (talk) 01:08, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Expunging Discussion:

Adolph Hitler edit

I don't know what weird angle you're coming from with this edit (maybe confusing fact and value?), but I'd be very interested in hearing how it has anything to do with the subject of the article. Richard001 (talk) 23:33, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"It is those who know little, and not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science. - Charles Darwin"
  • Why someone would believe in Arthur de Gobineau's ideas of struggle for survival between the different races, among which the "Aryan race"—guided by "Providence" — was supposed to be the torchbearers of civilization?
Are you certain those three problems can be solved by science? Doug Youvan (talk) 00:11, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Are you going to actually answer my question, or just serve me up more obscurantist, obfuscatory, trolling bullshit? Richard001 (talk) 01:09, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Please clarify "weird angle" and "trolling bullshit", as these are facts not in diffs.
Just answer my original question please - how does your edit have anything to do with the article? If you continue to evade the question I won't waste anymore time on you. I'm well aware that question dodging is part of the arsenal of intelligent design creationists, as well as taking quotes out of context. Richard001 (talk) 01:42, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That makes: "weird angle", "trolling bullshit", "question dodging", and "taking quotes out of context", all for pointing out that Hitler was a Darwinist - to an extreme that includes race - using a direct internal quote from WP. I would think our school children have a right to know this. Do you agree? Doug Youvan (talk) 01:59, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Doug Youvan (talk) 02:47, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Right, now I can see where you're coming from. In future, don't try to add material that is so extremely distantly related to the topic at hand: Hitler was probably influenced by Christianity just as much as he was by social Darwinist thinking, and even that seems to result from confusing fact and value. Even if it was remotely related to evolution, it's not related to education anymore than it is to anything else; adults would benefit just as much as children would from reading it (if there were any benefit to be had). You might also want to read the bible, particularly the parts where God instructs people to commit genocide, then growls at them for not doing a complete job of it. Or if you want to learn something useful, try a biology text. Richard001 (talk) 03:12, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Here's the diff from your user talk page: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ARichard001&diff=208253130&oldid=208249636
Q.E.D. Doug Youvan (talk) 03:36, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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