Talk:William Breeze

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As a member of the O.T.O I must insist on removing Occult activities paragraph in W. Breeze's article - an indentity of Frater Superior is known only to IX° of the Ordo Templi Orientis.

Fr. Progradior —Preceding unsigned comment added by White Mouse (talk • contribs)

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law, Love is the Law, Love under will!

Sorry, that information was obtained from the cited references to this article. Removing information from this article is considered vandalism. Your account may be blocked if you repeatedly remove it. Please take your cult-inspired activities elsewhere. —999 21:52, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

a) Shouldn't "Betamax" also be listed as one of his nicknames? b) Is there any reason to omit the video company he ran? c) Under "Occult Activities" shouldn't his initiation by Jack Hogg also be mentioned? That is also a matter of public record.

93/93 Frater E.L.S. (—Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.40.63.238 (talk • contribs) )

Have at it. If you have sources, simply cite them as you go along. -999 23:37, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV

For Example: "Breeze is well-known and not very well-liked in the occult community, under his pseudonym Hymenaeus Beta,"

At the very least, we need some kind of reference or citation indicating that he's "not very well liked."

Also: "he claims supreme authority over O.T.O. In addition, he also maintains that the O.H.O. is ex officio the Patriarch of Ecclesia Gnostica Catholica, the liturgical arm of O.T.O. He has also attempted to assert authority over the Argenteum Astrum, in vain."

... is rather weasley. 'tried in vain' -- 'claims supreme authority' -- absent any reference or citation of conflict (which, yes, i understand is hard to come by when dealing with secret societies) it comes across as ratehr one-sided. Zero sharp 05:14, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Friend's of Breeze

Shouldn't we link the Caliph, er I mean, Breeze with other prominant Thelemites that he hung out with, like Ebony Anpu? Captain Barrett 20:43, 11 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Some reputable third party written about this in a published biography of either? No? Then the answer is no. 217.10.142.170 07:04, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Questions & Errata

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Can we have some citations and verification on Breeze's corruption of the OTO rituals? From the OTO investigator/ archivist P R Koenig, the Caliphate OTO 9th degree is essentially of Breeze placing his hands on the aspirants shoulders, and lo and behold they are a "9th degree" in the Caliphate OTO.

Also we need some citation for Breeze getting death threats and so scared that he had to move house, due to him thinking that he was being stalked. Info please?

Sure - if you can cite this from reputable sources. As it is, it is tawdry occult hearsay. In any case, Crowley handed out O.T.O. degrees like tictacs, with as little ceremony. As Mathers did with G.D. degrees. It happens. If it can't be cited, however, it does not belong in this article. 70.177.94.136 (talk) 06:42, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Koenig

Is Koenig a reliable source? —Ashley Y 07:23, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No. --Rodneyorpheus (talk) 22:24, 24 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed him. BTW, is there a reliable source that says Breeze is leader of the OTO? —Ashley Y 04:07, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Glad you removed Koenig. I suppose the most reliable source about OTO administration would be the corporation's legal filings. --Rodneyorpheus (talk) 09:36, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What about Allen Greenfield? Is he a reliable source? —Ashley Y 08:01, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

He's certainly more reliable than Koenig, in my opinion. Allen used to be part of O.T.O. and knows the subject personally. However his POV is certainly not neutral, so that has to be taken into consideration. Koenig does have a good collection of primary source material, so he can be a useful source, however he frequently republishes partial quotes out of context and comes ot highly questionable conclusions from it, so his stuff has to be taken with a pinch of salt (and a lot of cross-referencing). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rodneyorpheus (talk • contribs) 13:27, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]