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LGBT Issues

According to the Arizona Republic and the Arizona Daily Star, it costs the state $3 million to cover domestic partners and $625 million for other employees and their dependents.[14]

This seems like a justification for stripping away rights from people. It doesn't belong in the article. It should at least be re-worded. 75.221.198.163 (talk) 22:04, 23 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The cost is relevant, whether that cost is worth taking away rights is up to the reader.
Also note it's my opinion that gay marriage is a right, it's not everyones opinion and it doesn't have to be a universal truth, one could say reproduction capable marriage has more worth as it furthers the species and thus could deserves more validation without being undeniably wrong and evil and thus worthy of censorship, which Wikipedia does not do by the way. 72.208.6.122 (talk) 02:53, 28 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Does anyone know any info about her education? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.190.49.4 (talk) 01:06, 24 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

What is the deal with the new wording? You cant even tell that it is referring to LGBT issues. I see a definite political bias here. i would correct it, but an admin decided to end all debate on this page. Travis in travisland (talk) 16:01, 27 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"Dr." John Brewer - truth about career in Arizona

unsubstantiated claims. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 22:58, 13 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

For many years, "Dr." John Brewer, husband of the new Republican governor of Arizona, Jan Brewer, practiced general medicine in Arizona as a naturopathic physician. In addition to his medical practice, in which he prescribed medications, he also served as the Executive Director of the Arizona Naturopathic Board for which he received $50,000 annually.

In June of 2000 the Arizona Attorney General's Office audited the Arizona naturopathic board and found numerous irregularities, and illegalities including the illegal prescription of drugs. See: http://www.azauditor.gov/Reports/State_Agencies/Agencies/Naturopathic

> Physicians, Board of Medical

> Examiners/Performance/00-9/00-9.pdf

In 2001 it was determined that "Dr." Brewer and a number of other chiropractors in Arizona had forged their naturopathic diplomas. (See Fehr-Snyder K. Naturopathic board director on leave. Arizona Republic, May 11, 2001. Naturopathic Board votes to vote to fire chief: Allegations tied to credentials, paper shredding. Arizona Republic, May 12, 2001.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by RealNaturopath (talk • contribs) 22:30, 13 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

What exactly are you linking to? ("Page does not exist") Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 22:36, 13 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Conveniently, the link to the Arizona Auditor does not go anywhere. Could be because Jan Brewer is the Governor and the Auditor works for her. Also, conveniently, the archives for Az Rep only go back to Dec 31, 2001 and this happened May 11 and 12, 2001. I have a fax copy of the articles someone sent back when it happened. Guess I'll write the naturopathic board for the info because she can't believe that she can become a national figure and the truth about her husband's fraudulent practice of naturopathic medicine not come out on a national basis. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RealNaturopath (talk • contribs) 22:45, 13 May 2010 (UTC) Azcentral.com (have to pay to get articles but the truth is out there!) 1. NATUROPATHIC BOARD DIRECTOR ON LEAVE Kerry Fehr-Snyder; Arizona Republic; May 11, 2001; pg. B.6;[reply]

2. NATUROPATHIC BOARD VOTES TO FIRE CHIEF ALLEGATIONS TIED TO CREDENTIALS, PAPER SHREDDING Kerry Fehr-Snyder; Arizona Republic; May 12, 2001; pg. B.5; —Preceding unsigned comment added by RealNaturopath (talk • contribs) 22:55, 13 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Good. so come back when you have it sorted out. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 22:58, 13 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

This is the link to the AZ Auditor General Report regarding John L. Brewer, husband of Jan Brewer, and his failure to perform his duties as Executive Director of the Naturopathic Medical Board:

http://www.auditorgen.state.az.us/Reports/State_Agencies/Agencies/Naturopathic%20Physicians,%20Board%20of%20Medical%20Examiners/Performance/00-9/pa00-9.htm

If link doesn't work, enter "Arizona Auditor Naturopathic" into Google and follow the links. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RealNaturopath (talk • contribs) 20:22, 14 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for a working URL. A quick scan of the material at the link finds audit report regarding the effects of a 1999 change to Arizona state law. I am confused as to how this audit report supports that claims you made about illegal behavior on Brewer's part. A search of the summary, audit report, and 24-month followup report finds Brewer's name is only listed once. This is in the audit report's cover letter where he he listed as one of the report recipients. Where is the information supporting any of the claims you made in the above section? --Allen3 talk 20:55, 14 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Arizona Republic May 12, 2001

NATUROPATHIC BOARD VOTES TO FIRE CHIEF ALLEGATIONS TIED TO CREDENTIALS, PAPER SHREDDING
Arizona Republic - Phoenix, Ariz.
Author: Kerry Fehr-Snyder
Date: May 12, 2001
Start Page: B.5
Section: Valley & State
Text Word Count: 258

Document Text The state board responsible for licensing naturopathic doctors fired its

executive director Friday, with one member arguing that the "appearance and

climate" of wrongdoing and ill will were enough to justify his removal.

John L. Brewer, a retired chiropractor who had spent more than 10 years

working for the board, was fired on a 4-1 vote after a second day of

contentious meetings. Both meetings were opened to the public at Brewer's

request. Brewer is married to Maricopa County Supervisor Jan Brewer.

The only member who voted against Brewer's dismissal was Frank Sweet, a

naturopathic doctor based in Lake Havasu.

Earlier this week, allegations that Brewer had shredded public documents

and fudged his credentials surfaced. He was escorted from his office and

placed on administrative leave.

Although the board never proved Brewer was guilty of the charges, board

member Konrad Kail maintained, "The thing that concerns me is the appearance

... and the climate between the executive director and the board."

Brewer's attorneys emphasized that he received a glowing job appraisal and

was recommended for a raise just three months ago.

The sudden change in opinion seemed to come from two newcomers: Kip Micuda,

who was appointed to the board a month ago, and Melissa Cornelius, who was

named to the board two months ago.

"This smacks of what can only be deemed as a public assassination of my

client," attorney Darrow Soll said.

John Brewer said he was insulted and embarrassed by the proceedings. His

attorneys said they were weighing their options regarding an appeal or

lawsuit.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by RealNaturopath (talk • contribs) 21:36, 14 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Brewer did not receive a naturopathic degree from a college in LA which has not bestowed such a degree since 1948

NATUROPATHIC BOARD DIRECTOR ON LEAVE
Arizona Republic - Phoenix, Ariz.
Author: Kerry Fehr-Snyder
Date: May 11, 2001
Start Page: B.6
Section: Valley & State
Text Word Count: 389

Document Text
The executive director of the state board that oversees naturopathic

doctors was placed on administrative leave Thursday amid allegations that he

shredded documents, copied exams and fudged his credentials.

John L. Brewer, husband of Maricopa County Supervisor Jan Brewer, denied

the allegations, saying he is the target of a "disgruntled employee."

The action against Brewer came after a contentious public meeting with the

Naturopathic Physicians Board of Medical Examiners. Naturopaths include

chiropractors and those who generally use massage, herbal remedies and other

"alternative medicines."

Leading the charge was board member Kip Micuda, a relative newcomer whose

suggestion to fire Brewer was not backed by the other three members in

attendance.

"If Dr. Brewer was doing a bang-up job and this agency were doing great,

this wouldn't be an issue," Micuda said.

The board is scheduled to meet again today to determine Brewer's fate.

On Tuesday, Micuda and the Capitol police escorted Brewer out of his office

and told him to work from home while the board discussed the allegations.

"Dr. Brewer was destroying documents, which was a great concern to me,"

Micuda said, adding that he had received complaints from staffers.

Brewer, who makes $52,000 a year in the job, denied that he shredded

anything.

Even if he had, board member Frank Sweet questioned whether Brewer did

anything wrong.

"I shred documents in my office at 7 a.m. all the time, trashy stuff,"

Sweet said.

But Melissa Cornelius, an assistant attorney general, said the allegation

was enough to warrant barring Brewer from his office.

"You have an obligation to the public" record, she said.

The other accusations -- that Brewer photocopied exams and faked his

credentials -- were less clear.

Brewer has worked for the board for about 10 years in various capacities,

including as a board member. Micuda said the credentials came into play after

he discovered Brewer did not receive a naturopathic degree from a college in

Los Angeles as he had claimed. The college has not bestowed such a degree

since 1948.

An independent check with the college, now known as Southern California

University of Health Sciences, showed Thursday that Brewer earned a

chiropractic degree in 1970.

Brewer said after the meeting that he didn't recall what he had listed on

his license application, saying that he only remembers being asked what

college he had attended.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by RealNaturopath (talk • contribs) 21:46, 14 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sarah Jane Marble - why?

The beginning of the article mentions Sarah Jane Marble as an ancestor of Jan Brewer. Why is this important? Marble does not appear to have any claim to fame of her own, so why is she being listed as an ancestor? Most Americans have immigrant ancestors dating to the 19th century or earlier. Zilmaro (talk) 09:15, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Its fairly common to list information like this. From the Barack Obama page

Barack Obama was born on August 4, 1961[4] at Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii, United States,[5] to Stanley Ann Dunham,[6] an American of mostly English, but also German,[7] descent from Wichita, Kansas,[8] and Barack Obama, Sr., a Luo from Nyang’oma Kogelo, Nyanza Province, Kenya Colony. Obama is the first President to have been born in Hawaii.[9][10] Obama's parents met in 1960 in a Russian language class at the University of Hawaii at Mānoa, where his father was a foreign student on scholarship.[11][12] The couple married on February 2, 1961,[13] but separated when Barack Sr. went to Harvard University on scholarship, and divorced in 1964.[12] Obama Sr. remarried and returned to Kenya, visiting Barack in Hawaii only once, in 1971. He died in an automobile accident in 1982.[14]

from Ronald Reagon's wikipedia page

Ronald Reagan was born in an apartment on the second floor of a commercial building in Tampico, Illinois, on February 6, 1911, to John Edward "Jack" Reagan and Nelle Wilson Reagan.[2] Reagan's father was of Irish Catholic ancestry,[3] while his mother had Scots-English ancestors.[4

So the data should be re-included. 67.246.175.103 (talk) 16:59, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No. Gage (talk) 13:55, 8 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No. One thing that immediately jumps out with regards to the two examples is that all the family members listed had a direct effect on the life of the subject of the associated biography. The proposal here is to add an ancestor that, based upon average 19th century life spans, may not have even been alive at the time of Brewer's birth (the cited source gives no details on Marble's life beyond her arrival to New York City in 1886). Without evidence that the great-grandmother was either notable enough for a Wikipedia article or had a direct and significant effect on Brewer's life there is no reason for inclusion of this factoid. --Allen3 talk 14:30, 8 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. As I said previously data like this is often included. Here is a quote from the Ambrose Bierce article

Bierce was born in Meigs County, Ohio to Marcus Aurelius Bierce (1799–1876) and Laura Sherwood Bierce.[2] His mother was a descendant of William Bradford.

William Bradford died on May 9, 1657 Ambrose Bierce was born on June 24, 1842. Based on the lifespans in that era I doubt he was still alive at the time of Ambrose's birth. 67.246.175.103 (talk) 00:28, 9 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

We realize that Wikipedia:Other stuff exists. Just because no one is willing to support your position does not mean it is alright to restate your position and pretend that multiple postings by a single person represents a meaningful consensus. --Allen3 talk 01:26, 9 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I have reviewed the website you placed and find it irrelevant to the discussion. I restated what I wrote because it was obvious that it hadnt been read. At no point did I pretend there was a consensus, please do not put words in my mouth. Her immigration family history is relevant to this article. 98.118.188.7 (talk) 01:53, 9 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Birth Certificate

Is there a released online copy of her BC/immigration papers to prove she's a legal citizen? --208.38.59.163 (talk) 20:25, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

good luck I been looking it for two weeks now. I guess we can forget about getting a long copy, we might have to settle for an announcement in a local newspaper. 67.246.175.103 (talk) 17:05, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Father's death

Shouldn't we address Brewer's false claim that her father died in Germany fighting the Nazis, rather than 10 years later due to fumes he inhaled in a munitions factory?[1]? 75.76.213.106 (talk) 19:02, 26 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It was there until the article got protected status. See, Admins dont have to explain there actions. When they see people disagree with them they just freeze the page to end all debate. Welcome to wikipedia. Travis in travisland (talk) 15:57, 27 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request from AZterritory, 27 June 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} You have shown her as "a native of Glendale, AZ". She is NOT a native Arizonan! Below you show her born in Hollywood, Ca. Might want to clear this up, unless there is some question as to birth? Should be replaced with "a native of California".


AZterritory (talk) 17:18, 27 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I made that "born in California". Thanks. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 01:47, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of Protected Statues

I vote it be removed from this article. It has done nothing to improve the article's quality in any way, and its only presence was to end debate. Travis in travisland (talk) 17:11, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I am glad it was finally removed. As can be seen by the history of the page, no good came from it. Travis in travisland (talk) 09:37, 4 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

controversial quantifier

I have added it to this article. I see no logical reason it shouldn't be included. If you doubt it is controversial I have serious doubts about how informed you might be. Travis in travisland (talk) 02:31, 4 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The addition has been reverted as per WP:LABEL. The problem with qualifiers of this type is that they imply the presence of an issue while providing no explanation of the nature of the issue or evidence the condition actually exists. There as also WP:NPOV issues with this addition as the negative label is being applied only to Brewer's participation (why are her actions considered "controversial" while the actions of those opposed to her position are not considered "controversial"). --Allen3 talk 02:55, 4 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The bill is controversial. It is very hard to deny this. Spend a few minutes on the talk page if you dont believe me. If you want to mention that the opposition to the bill is controversial as well, be my guest. To remove it is too imply universal consent to the bill. Travis in travisland (talk) 09:30, 4 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Singing Sock Puppet

The article states, "Recently in defense of her bill her office produced a commercial featuring a singing frog sock puppet. [25]" This statement should either be dropped or it should be extended to say, "Recently in defense of her bill her office produced a commercial featuring a singing frog sock puppet which made fun of several prominent politicians who had not read SB 1070 before criticizing it. [25]" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.199.32.202 (talk) 03:25, 1 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

disproven claim

Being in which no law enforcement agency made this claim and several have made counter-claims this has been disproven. Travis in travisland (talk) 01:26, 5 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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