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British-Spanish relations

British-Spanish relations is the current UK Collaboration of the Fortnight. This will no doubt be of interest to some people who have this page on their watchlists. Secretlondon 13:59, 8 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I was under the impression that by this point England was described as under the Cromwellian Protectorate, no longer referred to as Commonwealth in the strictest sense...

causes

This is written as if we know that Cromwell just decided on his own to enter a major war for only one reason. Even if that's true I can't imagine how it would be possible to know it unless Cromwell said something in public like, "I got us into the war entirely on my own initiative and only to rob the Spanish colonies." Maybe someone better at writing than I am could rephrase it to acknowledge that different people in England could have different motives for the war and one person could have more than one motive at the same time.

Abu America (talk) 05:06, 20 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cromwell actually discussed his motivations pretty candidly and at length with his Council of State prior to getting involved. See The Clarke Papers edited by C.H. Firth in the Royal Historical Society's published manuscripts. Basically, he felt that war with either Spain or France was inevitable, and that the two nations needed to be kept from allying with each other at all costs. Catholic Spain was a greater enemy to Protestantism than France, and fighting against Spain would theoretically pay for itself, especially if the Plate Fleet was captured. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.235.250.20 (talk) 20:30, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Result of war

There does not seem to be a clear victor in this war. And the editors involved in that section need to stop edit warring with constant reverts see: WP:3RR and WP:RV. Use this talk page to come to a consensus based on sources. Include direct quotations to support references to contended conclusions not just page numbers.Tttom1 (talk) 14:28, 19 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I concur; I have made it clear from sources that I have used. I quote Copper: Her (England's) achievement had altered the balance of power in Europe and was part of the process whereby power was being concentrated in North West Europe at the expense of the Iberian and Mediterranean states clearly reads at least with the word achievement as being a Strategic English victory. I would like to see what sources explains for Spain's achievements in the war. Bruich (talk) 15:38, 19 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Edit warring needs to be stopped whether you think you are right or not. I see from your other contributions that you are violating the 3 revert rule in several articles where another editor has disagreed with you.Tttom1 (talk) 15:31, 19 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As far as info box results here: Your quote does not state a 'victory' but achievement in a general sense and would need to be explained further, precluding its use in the info box. the Rodger in Command doesn't agrree: p.28, "In strategic terms, a largely unsuccessful war pushed Cromwell towards France." He goes on to explain on p.28-29 that England's gains were meagre and temporary while their costs were bankrupting the state. The goal of the nation (Cromwell and the army in this case), at the time, must be considered and there is a religious aspect here as well. The policy in Military Hist new info box is that if the result is not clear, it should be left blank or referred to the aftermath or result section of the article where the differing questions of the result can be expressed fully.Tttom1 (talk) 15:31, 19 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Israel pg.312?

That sound like a petty excuse for a proud Spanish person to try and deny a defeat in a war, why would a book with the headings israel, focus on a war between two irrelevant countries battling in the Caribbeans, there's more references saying a English victory than indecisive, we have to put up with Spain saying the Anglo-Spanish war in the 1500s was favorable to Spain, when it was pretty much indecisive, why don't the people on here just admit that it was an English victory, the Same user by the name of El Buffon has been doing nothing on Wikipedia but Editing English victories as Indecisive, I once went into an edit war with him on the siege of Gibraltar 1727, were he kept erasing British victory and putting called of by Spain, I think it's best this man be blocked and his account suspended, he clearly has Anglophobic feelings86.186.3.245 (talk) 21:57, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]