Talk:Grace Jones

Grace vs. GaGa

Grace Jones refused to work with GaGa and accused her of copy-catting, shouldn't this be included? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.209.61.107 (talk) 16:02, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Chinese Americans category?

Why is she in the category of Chinese Americans? Grace Jones is Jamaican and not Chinese at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.175.74.185 (talk) 08:26, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Citroën CX advertisment

Grace Jones also made the advertisment of the revamped Citroën CX "seriés 2" in 1986/1987. It was very popular in Europe and is still highly regarded because of its vanguardist visual concept where they tried to identify Jones' personality with that of the car itself as the final slogan stated "The wild beast". Try search Citroën CX in Youtube. I think this should be included in the main article by someone who speaks (and writes) better english than I do.

Unreleased albums

I just noticed that the albums Black Marilyn and Force Of Nature have been added into the Grace Jones article. Apparantly, they are albums she recorded during the nineties but never released. Can someone please back up this claim? I've never heard about either of these albums. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.84.54.87 (talk) 01:03, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Discography & non-album discography

I have recently been adding some information on the Grace Jones discography and intend to add more soon. I like the way the singles from a certain album are listed under the album information but some detail seems to be lacking (eg. catalogue numbers of releases). Also is it interesting to add all the single releases if they do not contain anything new? For example some singles used the straight album version and therefore the single is possibly only interesting for the sleeve. Dean 13:59, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't understand why the singles list, separated by album, keeps being combined into one long list. I understand this may not fit some pre-determined Wikipedia format, but surely there must be a way to reformat it without sacrificing the information (which some may find helpful).

In addition, the Non-Album Singles entries wouldn't really belong anywhere else, and they are simply being erased. If anyone can think of a better place for them, let's work together to create a complete Grace Jones entry. I've worked very hard obtaining that information, and I don't appreciate it being arbitrarily erased. It is my understanding that this online encyclopedia is a collaborative effort, not a place to erase information on a whim. Fraykis 19:16, 19 February 2007 (UTC)Fraykis

Your Non-Album Singles list was not erased "on a whim" but because it was unformatted - in Wikipedia terms - and appeared a likely candidate for having been simply cut and pasted from another source. If you have as you say "worked hard" at obtaining that information then why not put it in a standard Wikipedia format? Titles and years are sufficient detail for a discography in the main artist article, as in the Album and Singles subsections. Also your reversions have eliminated the work done reorganising sections and headings into a more logical order and standard format per WP:MOS, and changing single titles per WP:SONG. Further, there is no need to separate singles into album-related groups, it just makes the list longer and harder to follow. Wikipedia standards and guidelines are not set in stone and continually evolve, but they exist because the community has decided, after much trial-and-error and discussion, that they offer the best presentation of this information. I'm prepared to continue discussion re. the non-album singles data because it does include additional data - though more than appropriate for this article - but the rest really needs to go back to how it was before your last reversion. Cheers, Ian Rose 14:01, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for engaging in discussion. I'll accept that the non-album singles data was unformatted re: Wikipedia standards, but it was most assuredly not cut and pasted from any other source. Grace Jones discography data is extremely rare and, to my knowledge, no official discography exists. As I said before, I understood this online encyclopedia to be a collaborative effort; for example, I could provide the information, and you could convert the information to the correct format. This is certainly preferable to simply eliminating the information, isn't it? IMHO, I'd rather have information that doesn't conform to a specific format than no information at all.

I'll concede your point for the singles list, and I hope we can work together to make a comprehensive Grace Jones page.

Have a good day. Fraykis 22:28, 20 February 2007 (UTC)Fraykis

Okay, I've done some looking around and accept that the data is not a copy from elsewhere. Based on the above I'll revert to the earlier edit that wikified and reorganised slightly the main body of the article and the Singles list but leave the Non-Album Singles list to discuss a few things. Don't get me wrong, I'm by nature an 'inclusionist', not an 'exclusionist', but we need consistency in our presentation to add to the encyclopedic flavour of the thing. The issue with the non-album singles is not simply the formatting but the detail being much greater than the 'album singles'. Can you provide similar detail for them? There's also the content/criteria for this list. For instance what's your definition of a non-album single, given that say "Living My Life" was from an album, as I think are one or two others? You see where I'm coming from? Cheers, Ian Rose 08:57, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm pleased with the format as it stands now. I recognize that the "non-album singles" section sounds awkward, but I can't figure out where else to put it, so we should probably leave it for now. By this time, I have added the same level of data for all singles on the various Grace Jones album pages.

In terms of content/criteria, this section is for singles released, commercially or promotionally, that were not album tracks. The song "Living My Life", ironically, was not included on the album of the same name. Three of the others appeared on movie soundtrack albums, but those were various artist compilations, not GJ albums proper.

Have a good day.

Fraykis

Spelling

Studio is mispelled near the bottom of this page.

Gay Icon Project

In my effort to merge the now-deleted list from the article Gay icon to the Gay icons category, I have added this page to the category. I engaged in this effort as a "human script", adding everyone from the list to the category, bypassing the fact-checking stage. That is what I am relying on you to do. Please check the article Gay icon and make a judgment as to whether this person or group fits the category. By distributing this task from the regular editors of one article to the regular editors of several articles, I believe that the task of fact-checking this information can be expedited. Thank you very much. Philwelch 20:57, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Taking the top role/Bond

What does it mean exactly that she insisted on taking the "top" role? In a variety of sexual lexicons this means various things. Did they have an S&M encounter where she was the master? Did she snally penetrate him with something? Or does this simply mean she was "on the top" during their lovemaking? Please clarify. Pacian 15:13, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

I've seen the film. I think most normal people would read this as meaning that she went on top; which she did. Lupine Proletariat 13:50, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Just in case, I've made 'top role' into a link to Woman on top sex position. -- (Random wikipedia user.)

Baritone?

Guys, that is 'language'. The deepest voice of a woman is the ALTO. "Her natural baritone is used on songs like >Slave To The Rhythm,< while she is able to hit high notes on >La Vie En Rose<". I suppose this should be "Her natural alto ... ". -andy 80.129.117.205 15:03, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

There have been plenty of women who can go down to a baritonal voice. Alto is lowest female register but that doesn't mean women have to stop there cuz guys can sing soprano on rare occasions.

If anyone wants to go into this, please have a look at Vocal range. You would need to find out what the lowest range of notes is she can 'meaningfully employ'. If she had a baritone's range (which I personnally doubt, because I think it's more the timbre of her voice than anything else which makes it so distinctive (but I haven't investigated)), then there would be nothing wrong with calling it that. Countertenors (i.e. men singing higher than tenor range) are often called alto or soprano as well. --Radioflux 15:21, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Just a little something: "sprechstimme" is the wrong word in this context. It should be "Sprechgesang". "Stimme" actually means "voice".

Stella (German native speaker ;-))

Double entendre, anyone?

"In September 1998, Jones was banned from all Disney properties worldwide after baring her breasts in a concert at Walt Disney World.[4] She also exposed her buttocks in A View to a Kill as she was fighting Christopher Walken in a G-string style outfit, followed by an interrupted love scene."

I revised the wording of this, so that it doesn't allow people to wonder what Christopher Walken was doing in a G-string style outfit. Then I watched Groucho Marx shooting an elephant in his pajamas. -- ChrisWinter 23:23, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I found this sentence strange for even being here. Did it cause some particular controversy that she bared her buttocks? What actor hasn't bared some kind of private part in film or real life? Is there something I'm missing? Also, the fact that this sentence follows a reference to Walt Disney made me think that it had something more to do with Walt Disney than with the indecent exposure. (If it confused me, it will probably confuse others, can we fix this up?) Icemuon 10:12, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Accordion?

I did some research into this last year and couldn't find any credits for her performing accordion on any of her albums. (Accordion, yes; by her, no.) Yet in her profile box it says: "Vocals, accordion". Can we get a source on that last one? The closest evidence I was able to find was footage of her in music videos (and recordings of live performances) sensuously pumping and running her hands over a broken accordion while pretending to play it. Pseudo Intellectual (talk) 11:39, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Birth name

Why is her birth name listed as Grace Mendoza? When her parents surnames are listed as Jones? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.80.111.132 (talk) 23:34, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Faulty link

I don't know how to fix links because I've barely done any editing on Wikipedia, but in the list of album/song compilations, the last album, supposedly called Eternity, links to the wrong definition/description of eternity. From what I could tell from the disambiguation of the word eternity, there is no current article on Wikipedia describing this particular Grace Jones album. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.173.59.115 (talk) 13:48, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Associated acts

Excuse me but what are those people doing in the associated acts box? Just because they have produced a several songs for Grace Jones doesn't make them associated acts, right? Otherwise you'd have to put everyone who she's ever worked for in there! What about Tom Moulton? He's produced her first albums then. Aren't associated acts, acts that the article's subject has been involved with for work of those people or somethign similar? Like, You'd have Blondie as ass. act for Debbie Harry, Eurythmics, Tourists for Annie Lennox etc, or Inner Life, Change for Jocelyn Brown. Please whoever did this explain? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.48.113.244 (talk) 01:09, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Soprano voice? I don't think so

sHE 's rather deep contralto —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.131.137.50 (talk) 03:48, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Born 1948 or 1952?

When I looked up Grace Jones on allmusic.com it read that she was born in 1952. The link to The Scurra has no information whatsoever on Grace Jones. When I click reference number 5 she is said to be born in 1952 although "some sources cite 1948". Isn't it possible to settle the date? Does anybody have some sort of biography of her where the confusion is further explained?

Ugluspegill (talk) 18:56, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Citizenship

Does she currently hold Jamaican citizenship, U.S. citizenship, or both? Nietzsche 2 (talk) 01:11, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Razzie Award

It's mentioned that she was nominated for a Razzie, but it's not specified which or when? 121.55.196.124 (talk) 07:47, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Film appearances

She also had a supporting role in No Place Like Home, a film by the late Perry Henzell (Harder They Come) set in Jamaica. It was an interesting role as she played a Jamaican, complete with her natural accent etc. I don't know if this film has been released, but I saw it at a screening in Jamaica shortly after Henzell's death. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.230.40.198 (talk) 02:48, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

INTRUMENTS PLAYED BY MISS GRACE JONES

She ALSO plays bandoneon/accordion very well. She played this instrument during presentation of "La vie en rose' composed by Edith Piaf. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.89.157.226 (talk) 18:49, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Grace Jones - "MUSE" is not on CD...

It is indicated that her best album will be available on CD for the first time but after extensive research, I can find no indication that this is so. I only wish it were. There are plenty of bootleg CD'rs out there which are just copies from an LP, but there is no commercially produced CD in site that I have found. Comments? W. Pender Palm Springs, CA USA

Dolph et. al.?

No spouse(s), inamorata(s), partner(s) SO, etc.? 72.228.177.92 (talk) 14:45, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes, where is her 'personal life' section? Would make interesting reading and help the piece as a whole. --78.101.147.134 (talk) 09:58, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Modeling career

Is it possible that there isn't anything to write about her modeling career except that single line? Dollvalley (talk) 23:17, 26 June 2010 (UTC)