Wikipedia:MediaWiki messages

Please reorder 'Khmer' under the langauges dropdown/interwiki

I'm not sure if this is the best talk page to address this, but I think its close enough. The interwiki link for the Khmer/Cambodian wiki is currently set under P. Previously, last year, it was under K. I had thought it disappeared from the Language interwiki menu. I would like to know who reodered it and what for? I believe it should be reordered back among the Ks. Just as Vietnamese is set among the V even though it is prefixed with a word that starts with a T (tieng viet). And Bahasa Melayu, Bahasa Indonesia are set under M and I respectively. Formally, the Khmer language is called "pheasa khmer" (ភាសាខ្មែរ) with the first word translating to language (and there's an even more formal term; khemara pheasa, ខេមរភាសា which would be more 'encyclopedic'). But in normal speech, Cambodians refer to it simply as Khmer (ខ្មែរ). --Dara (talk) 05:42, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Anyone one listening? :( I really would like for this to be changed and I'm sure many other Khmer readers would. We can assume most Khmer readers will naturally look under K first not P for "Khmer". --Dara (talk) 06:51, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

I'm a little late, but are you sure this is something that can be changed in the MediaWiki namespace? As far as I know, the ordering of interwikis depends only on the order the interwikis appear in the page. Ucucha (talk) 21:52, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

You're correct, the ordering of the links in the language box depends on the order of the interlanguage links in the wikitext. And it seems that the ordering is hardcoded into pywikipedia (unlike AWB, which reads the order from Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/IW), so the only way to change it for the majority of interwiki bots is to have the pywikipedia devs change it.

I don't see any sign that this is at all recent, though. The list at m:Interwiki sorting order seems to have had Khmer with the P's since December 2005, and pywikipedia seems to have had it that way since March 2006. Anomie⚔ 03:47, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Autopatrolled

I couldn't actually find the page on Special:Allmessages, but since Autoreviewers are now called Autopatrolled, perhaps Special:Userrights should be updated to reflect this change? It Is Me Here ^{t / c} 18:37, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Group-autoreviewer-member has been set to "autopatrolled" for the default "en" language since June 2010, and similarly for MediaWiki:Group-autoreviewer. MediaWiki:Grouppage-autoreviewer wasn't changed until June 2011, probably since the default Project:Autoreviewers has redirected to the right place since June 2010. Are you using a non-standard language? Or else where are you seeing it's not on Special:Userrights? Anomie⚔ 19:40, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Oh yeah, I completely forgot, I'm using en-GB. Which is the right page to alter in that case? It Is Me Here ^{t / c} 19:46, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Update: I've just tested, and this is also the case for the simple (Simple English) interface language. It might also be relevant to this that there is going to be a Canadian English interface released soon. It Is Me Here ^{t / c} 19:53, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Update 2: it also says "autoreviewer" for small languages which do not have their own translation yet (I've tried chr, dv, iu). It Is Me Here ^{t / c} 21:04, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

All that is to be expected. The translations for other languages are usually not updated, which is a much wider issue than just this instance. Anomie⚔ 21:55, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

I see; but can we fix it (at least on this occasion)? It Is Me Here ^{t / c} 16:18, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Sure, just append "/en-gb" (or whichever other language code) to the default message name, for example MediaWiki:Group-autoreviewer-member/en-gb. Just remember that changes to the base version won't be automatically tracked in any matter, and most people won't even think to check. Anomie⚔ 22:53, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

OK, I've changed en-gb and simple, but is there some sort of default or en-default or something language which is used to display not-yet-translated messages in e.g. Inuit and Church Slavonic? It Is Me Here ^{t / c} 13:46, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Not really. If a message exists in MediaWiki's message files for the language, that message will be used. IIRC if somehow the message doesn't exist in the appropriate message file then the "en" message will be used, but translatewiki is usually very effective. Anomie⚔ 23:38, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Logically, I cannot see how en can be the default since en says "autopatrolled" whereas iu doesn't:

en

en-gb

simple

iu

Also note that en has a block of text with instructions which does not appear in any other language interface (for me, at least) and hence which I didn't see when using en-gb.

It Is Me Here ^{t / c} 10:01, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

I think you misunderstood me. MediaWiki has most if not all of its default messages translated into all the supported languages. So if your language is set to "fr", you get the French version of the default message (unless the French version of the message has been locally customized, of course). The fallback to an "en" version would only happen if MediaWiki didn't have the message translated for "fr" at all, which is unlikely to happen with any common language. And for that matter, it seems to fall back to the default "en" message rather than the locally-customized "en" message anyway. So there really is no way to customize a message for all languages besides editing the MediaWiki-namespace page for each language. Anomie⚔ 17:23, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Oh, I see. In that case that's about it; thanks for the help! It Is Me Here ^{t / c} 19:20, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

MediaWiki talk:Fancycaptcha-createaccount

I've been bold and reverted it back to the last version. There's been many more users complaining that they have been blocked for using their firm's name and no-one told them it wouldn't be OK. It's not fair to let users create names only to make one or two edits and then get blocked and presented with a {{uw-spamublock}}. The last one I read said he was not coming back - he didn't feel welcome, this surely is not the impression we should be giving out, although we cannot allow promotional user names, we need to tell the user before he creates one.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 21:02, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Just seen yet another blocked user - this one says Anyone can create a spurious name which I have not. I feel somewhat bullied here. I rest my case...  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 21:06, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Edit request at MediaWiki talk:Clearyourcache

I think the system message about clearing ones browser cache to see changes made to .js pages could do with a rewrite for clarification. fredgandt 15:13, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Proposal at MediaWiki talk:Ipbreason-dropdown#Reinstate speedy deletion template removal reason

I have initiated a discussion about adding a reason to the drop down block reason list at the link in the section header. Ks0stm ^{(T•C•G•E)} 02:39, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

New edit counter?

See MediaWiki_talk:Sp-contributions-footer#New edit counter?. Any ideas for a replacement of X!/redsox93's inactive edit counter? Froztbyte (talk) 02:36, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Proposed change to the file description page

I've proposed a minor change to MediaWiki:Sharedupload-desc-here, on MediaWiki talk:Sharedupload-desc-here#Unlinking of Commons-logo.svg, and consensus in needed for the change. Basically, I would like see the left Commons logo on the file description page link either the file on Commons, or nothing. I've calculated that this would save me about 100 misclicks every year ;) seriously, I've clicked on that logo way too many times. jonkerz ♠talk 14:21, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

MediaWiki talk:Remembermypassword

^ FYI. --MZMcBride (talk) 03:32, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Invitation to help test the new MediaWiki extension for the Education Program

Our developers have been working hard to integrate certain elements of the Wikipedia Education Program into MediaWiki. If anyone is interested in helping test the new extension, click here to get started.

Thanks, Rob SchnautZ (WMF) ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:21, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Can we make 'new section' -> '+' happen faster?

Please see here. Mark Hurd (talk) 04:33, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

I'm fairly sure there was a rather large WMF sponsored consensus that new section was more intuitive or something like that, so you'll probably need to show some substantial consensus. I suggest a discussion at WP:VPPR. Prodego ^talk 04:45, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, that option was somewhat tongue in cheek, although I note a lot of meta references to this tab only refer to it as '+'. Mark Hurd (talk) 05:17, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

MediaWiki:RefToolbar.js

We've (im)ported RefToolbar to nowiki but need a few tweaks done on enwiki for it to support Norwegian. See MediaWiki talk:RefToolbar.js. ZorroIII (talk) 20:47, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Change request enwiki: Add unwatch link to MediaWiki:Enotif_body (compare with de:MediaWiki:Enotif_body where this is live)

• filed as Bug 36331 - Change request enwiki: Add unwatch link to MediaWiki:Enotif_body (compare with dewiki where this is live)

I developed enotif and suggest to add in the footer the direct link to unwatch the notified page. See de:MediaWiki:Enotif_body where this is implemented.

See UserMailer.php lines 643 seq. if you want to learn which parameters can be used and how they are computed. --Wikinaut (talk) 00:35, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Dear $WATCHINGUSERNAME,


The {{SITENAME}} page "$PAGETITLE" has been $CHANGEDORCREATED on $PAGEEDITDATE
by $PAGEEDITOR, with the edit summary: $PAGESUMMARY $PAGEMINOREDIT

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To contact the editor, visit $PAGEEDITOR_WIKI

Note that additional changes to the page "$PAGETITLE" will not result in any
further notifications, until you have logged in and visited the page.

             Your friendly {{SITENAME}} notification system

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 Done I see no reason not to do this. I made the minimal modification to add this. Anomie⚔ 01:50, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

I confirm: it works as expected. Thanks. --Wikinaut (talk) 01:58, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

minor edits

 Done

I think it would be a good idea to change "This is a minor edit" in the edit screen into "This is a minor edit". But as this is a very heavily used message I thought it best to discuss here first (and I haven't yet tracked down the specific message that would need changing). ϢereSpielChequers 21:04, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

The current message is actually "This is a minor edit (what's this?)" (unless you're using en-gb?). Personally, I'd prefer this not be changed, as it's easy to hide the useless link with personal CSS this way but not so easy with your proposed change. Anomie⚔ 23:01, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

I use en-gb, accepting your point about css, I take it you've no objection to my bringing it into line with the default? ϢereSpielChequers 23:25, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

I personally don't care what happens to en-gb, as I use plain en. But if by "bringing it in line" you mean copying MediaWiki:minoredit to MediaWiki:minoredit/en-gb, sound like an excellent idea to me. Anomie⚔ 00:51, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I've done that. ϢereSpielChequers 06:50, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

"Picture of the Year" Watchlist Notice

I have opened a discussion/complaint at MediaWiki talk:Watchlist-details#Complaint regarding POTY notice regarding the Picture of the Year notice. Please feel free to give your thoughts on this issue. Hasteur (talk) 19:14, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Change at tag-blanking-description

Can you make the description "This edit blanked the entire or a substantial part of the article"? 71.20.120.188 (talk) 22:09, 8 June 2012 (UTC)