User talk:Colweiss
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ChrisGualtieri (talk) 19:45, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
- I am going to be cleaning up my page, so I am posting my response here. Archiving doesn't delete it, but you won't see it easily unless you check my massive 2012 archive.
- Alright, I'm going to be brutally honest with you here. Your professor is either using everyone for an experiment or has a fundamentally flawed concept of what Wikipedia is. First and foremost, 99.99% of 'editors' are volunteers and get zero compensation for many of the headaches we deal with. There are 150 Wikipedia fellows who are paid foundation members, and they are not the type to review anything you see in AFC, AFD or twenty dozen other little projects and sections of this site. So your experiences are the same as going on Xbox chats or whatever, sometimes you get the 12 year old who screams and curses at you, sometimes you hear nothing and a fair amount of the time you will deal with people that you will never see again.
- Secondly, your professor should know better then to try and bring this kind of stuff through our horribly flawed process of AFC. There are MAYBE 4-5 active reviewers a day, and I am inactive for a month or more on end. I willingly go to AFC to remove the backlog and review some articles, not to say they are good or bad, but will they survive WP:AFD. And even that is a random draw. Wikipedia is 75% garbage to start with, by aggregate content. AFCs role is to weed out the junk and foster improvement in the budding articles. They are by no means a gauge of quality and notability. AFC is not even a requirement, you could have just made the article in the mainspace and in all fairness, if it looks good for the 30 seconds a reviewer typically looks at it, it will probably stick for many months to someone takes issue and either fixes it up or sends it to the deletion pile. If your professor wants a valid and detailed review process, see our featured content section. WP:FA are peer reviewed, and usually in depth to. These articles are among our best and have been vetted. WP:GA are 'good' and have been peer reviewed by one person, mostly for quality and prose, but can still have errors in them.
- Third. Emarketer is probably notable. Its not a major company, but to prove its value on Wikipedia is well.. difficult. We have this 'guideline' called WP:CORP and people will seriously browse the business articles looking for advertising platforms and other positive-only articles. Businesses have long been making their own pages and spinning it because of how Google rates Wikipedia. Is it ideal, no. Is it fair, no. Business as a result is among our WORST area on Wikipedia. Its easier to get a NGO advocacy group through with a few sources. As a whole, the process is stacked against such articles. We don't even have articles on Fortune 500 companies as a result. Its more of a 'shoot first, deal with the problem never' attitude.
- Fourth, I'd be glad to speak to your professor directly about such topics, as I'm not exactly a spring-chicken here. We've had our fair mess with another professor who's assignment is to literally disrupt Wikipedia by fabricating hoaxes, one of the most recent was a early 1900s murder alleging ties to Jack the Ripper, using aged paper (fake newspaper articles) and other sources. It didn't last a week, but no one on Wikipedia even got around to checking the article until a classmate posted it on another website and got about a thousand eyes on it, some editors at Wikipedia no less. Long story short, spreading and creating lies and hoaxes are not unheard of class assignments, and its REALLY hard to find such malicious things. I found one about a non-existent civil war battle, took me 15 hours of research to disprove it and get it deleted. And I don't even get credit for it.
- Lastly, your article doesn't sound un-notable and doesn't seem majorly wrong. The coverage and industry bullet list got me wondering about it. I'd expand it with context on what they do and why, but from a public interest perspective. Though you got shot down alone on the 'reliable sources' part. LinkedIn is not reliable and we typically do not let articles through with self-published resources, from people or companies UNLESS it deals with facts that cannot be sourced in any other way. Crunchbase is no different. So 4 of your 9 sources are lacking potency. The company overview on Bloomberg is a bad link to go to, I wanted an article about emarketeer, while I can get them, I want the article to link directly to the relevant pages. The Harvard page is a total wash and adds nothing of importance and is going to be questioned as a result, its not on them, its just a description of what they do. Venturebeat is also a bad source. The only independent and detailed report is from Yahoo! We want direct links to relevant business articles (not press releases either), that says why the company matters. As is, it will not survive AFD. And so while it is notable, the article wouldn't last a second glance and I'd be asked why I passed it. For that reason I bounced it back with the template about reliable sources. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 18:52, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
- I passed it. I'll deal with the rest of it later. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 05:33, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
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ChrisGualtieri (talk) 05:31, 15 December 2012 (UTC)