Talk:S. D. Burman

Proposed merger with Sachin. Dev Burman

Sachin. Dev Burman was created by an anon ip and doesn't have much usable information. I doubt if it can be retained even as a re-direct. However, I'll wait till the 19th of January 2006 for comments before carrying out the merger. --Gurubrahma 18:08, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Early days

The first line in this section says : S D Burman was born in Comilla, Bengal (now in Tripura) in British India. , but Comilla is in Bangladesh now. Tintin (talk) 10:32, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Bengali???

I dont mind his name in Bengali, but he is Tripuri and not Bengali, so I'm thinking a few cats should go sayonara. Perhaps we need a Kokborok translation.Bakaman _Bakatalk 01:32, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree ... he is from Tripuri royal family. Of course, what language was spoken there? Tripura overlaps into the Comilla region so much that there is a good chance of Bangla being spoken. In any case, the ethnic category should be checked and verified, and set accordingly. --Ragib 02:07, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Personally, I think translations are useless on English wikipedia, except in rare cases (OK, OK, let's not start a war...). As far as I know, Sachin da's mother tongue was Bengali, though he hailed from Tripura. As you can see at Tripura#Culture, 70% of Tripuris are Bengalis and Manipuris. Bengali is one of the major languages there. Is Kokborok the official language of Tripura state or something? In that case, we can have a Kokborok translation too (for eg. on Rajnikanth page, we've multiple translations). utcursch | talk 13:16, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Sachin Dev Burman spoke Bengali and contributed more to folk music from Bengal of the time than (arguably) anyone else. His contributions with singer Abbasuddin Ahmed are considered legendary. The article in its present state reflects a Hindicentric attitiude which I will endeavor to rectify soon; in the meantime there is no evidence that Sachin Dev identified with the tribals, spoke Kokborok, or spoke in the language to his son, R.D. I do not think Kokborok was the official language of the time (if it is now, it is a recent acquisition). --Antorjal 03:55, 27 September 2006 (UTC) The importance of writing within an encyclopedia didn't get lost on me... Kokborok is indeed an official language of Tripura since 1979 per the Kokborok page. No objections to his name in that language. --Antorjal 04:02, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

OK then, anybody knows Kokborok? utcursch | talk 13:30, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

There is a user or users who do. I will find them. They ususally have names ending in (debbarma and the like).To clarify I'm not removing the Bengali translation, I'm just staing he isn't Bengali so the Bengali people cat doesnt work here.Bakaman _Bakatalk 02:56, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Gotcha... sorry I misunderstood. --Antorjal 04:38, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject class rating

This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 19:39, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

WP:INDIA Banner/Tripura Addition

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Requested move 1

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The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 19:08, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Sachin Dev Burman → S. D. Burman – WP:COMMONNAME. 2,130,000 ("S D Burman" -wikipedia) v/s 277,000 for full name ("Sachin Dev Burman" -wikipedia) Redtigerxyz ^Talk 17:48, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

• Support per nom and also that Rahul Dev Burman was renamed and moved to R.D. Burman per common name. Tolly4bolly 18:45, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

• Comment - quite aside from the fact that we shouldn't rely entirely on Ghits, your searches appear to be confused; the first Ghits is for "S. D. Burman" on the "web" section whereas as the second Ghits is for "Sachin Dev Burman" on the "books" section. That said there does not appear to be overwhelming evidence either way - "web" is 2.5 million for Sachin Dev Burman (-wikipedia) and 2 million for S. D. Burman (-wikipedia), whilst "books" is 4,000 for Sachin Dev Burman and 3,400 for S. D. Burman. Green Giant (talk) 19:00, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Updated links above. The quotes are needed for accurate results. "Sachin Dev Burman" without quotes shows links with S D Burman also. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 11:24, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

• Support per COMMONNAME, I also went a step further on SD and excluded both -Sachin and -Dev from the ghits as well, and that drop it to 900k but that is still a lot more than his full name. Tiggerjay (talk) 11:51, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
• Support per updated results. Green Giant (talk) 01:01, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

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Moved S. D. Burman to Sachin Dev Burman

Saw the discussion about popular name, where subject person is known bu his full name "Sachin Dev Burman", alternatively a redirection is added from Short name S. D.Burman Bheemsinh (talk) 03:01, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

• It has been observed that some edit war is going on naming the article title. As per WP:COMMON-NAME policy, subject is strongly referred by his full name rather then short name. please do not revert it. Bheemsinh (talk) 06:28, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Move to article to Full Name

As Previous discussed and Google ngram viewer, the trends for Sachin Dev Burman vs S. D. Burman Search shows equally potential and strong identity of person as Sachin Dev Burman, Wrongly it is placed under abbreviation. can any admin help to move it to its most common name. Bheemsinh (talk) 02:50, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

You were WP:BOLD and you made a change. Then the changes were reverted, the next step was discussion via WP:RM (Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle). If there was a consensus next month that the article be moved. Please start a WP:RM discussion. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 18:42, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Move? 2

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The result of the proposal was moved. The previous RM should not have been reversed without first building consensus. ---BDD (talk) 23:12, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

– A recent move discussion on Talk:Sachin_Dev_Burman#Requested_move 1 was reverted by an user by copy paste move and then an admin reverted it, which the user again reveted without a discussion. Redtigerxyz ^Talk 15:44, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

• Let's get this much-disputed article name discussed properly fully. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 21:38, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

• Speedy procedural revert as an endrun around a previously established consensus without creating a new RM discussion or requesting an MRV. The person flipping the pages around should put in a proper request. -- 65.94.76.126 (talk) 04:51, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

• OpposeSupport S. D. Burman as per consensus in Talk:Sachin_Dev_Burman#Requested_move_1 in April. Redtigerxyz ^Talk 18:28, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
  • Comment that move request shows that this should use initials, not be spelled out. This move request is to move this from the spelled out form to the initialized form. Do you mean you support reverting to the initialized format determined in the last RM request, or that you wish the page to use the spelled out format? -- 65.94.76.126 (talk) 03:51, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Oops. Corrected. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 04:55, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

• Support per the reason I gave in earlier RM. Tolly4bolly 11:49, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose, as the subject is well known by full name, initalized format can be given redirection. Google search ngram shows full name prominance for a specific period and which is much more then initialized name. 59.164.116.23 (talk) 03:17, 3 June 2013 (UTC)Bheemsinh (talk) 03:25, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

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Requested Move #3

S. D. Burman → Sachin Dev Burman – "Sachin Dev Burman" is known by his full name only among his fans and music lovers. His son Rahul Dev Burman known by his initialised name RD Burman. in earlier discussion I've provided ngram data where it shows that on taking average, popularity of the person as Sachin Dev Burman is taking leap to initialized name. some of the editors have their prefixed mindset, lacking knowledge of the subject try to map name with his son's name and producing regent google search ngram data to prove that point. Bheemsinh (talk) 01:08, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Survey

Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.

• Support: reason mentioned in description.Bheemsinh (talk) 01:10, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose for formality There have been 2 requested move discussions, one in April and one ending on 5-Jun, both concluded S. D. Burman was the right name. Respect the Wikipedia:Consensus.--Redtigerxyz ^Talk 05:03, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
  • I respect Wikipedia:Consensus, if the final result is wrong, then it is not right to stay with wrong. see discussion for more evidence. Bheemsinh (talk)
• Oppose. Nothing has changed since the last discussion. Salih (talk) 06:50, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

• Support: Please name article as Sachin Dev Burman [SG]04:23, 9 June 2013 (UTC)04:23, 9 June 2013 (UTC)04:23, 9 June 2013 (UTC)~

• Support: Sachin da mostly credited as Sachin Dev Burman I think its fair to use a full name. I would go with a full name User:p1j
• Support: Sachin Dev Burman is great player of music 182.156.191.10 (talk) 06:15, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Discussion

Google Trends says: Google trends shows only Sachin Dev Burman, not S. D. Burman. a comperative Search results [1]

Wrong Trend results as . is included in name, which generally not put in a search result. [2]. S D Burman is clearly much popular. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 04:37, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Google ngram: shows results till 2008 only. Bheemsinh (talk) 02:03, 9 June 2013 (UTC)