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Greetings Rich, you need to be more careful with your edits. I noticed you used the undo button, some editors may constitute that as "using automation". :-) Seriously though, I hope things are going well for you these days. Kumioko (talk) 01:15, 31 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Coming from anyone else, like some of Rich's 'friends' watching this page and every move Rich makes, the above comment could be construed as either a warning as a prelude to ANI or taking the piss. Of course I know you better than that. Personal computers have changed the world by allowing things to be done much, much faster than purely by the human hand. I guess one might call that invention "automation" in itself, never mind what humans use it for afterwards. ;-) Have a good one! -- Ohc ¡digame!¿que pasa? 01:32, 31 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Anybody who imposes sanctions on Rich for this undo should themselves be sanctioned, because it is not a crime to revert your own edit. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:02, 31 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
It shouldn't be a crime to do a lot of things around here. But I have seen some pretty outlandish decisions by Arbcom, AE and even individual editors that somehow don't get overturned. The vagueness of the sanction against Rich is where the crime lies where anything in the judgement of the admin can be construed as automation. Excel, cut and paste, twinkle, etc. have all been identified as automation. Kumioko (talk) 14:52, 31 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Arbcom was very specific in what types of edits Rich was forbidden to engage in, including cutting and pasting. There are many sad things about this situation. Rich's prolificity is lost to us for a year. But hopefully we can tap his expertise. After all, he still has this talk page. The Transhumanist 08:25, 1 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Rich, remind me again, was one of the problems that you were mass-creating Category talk: pages? --Redrose64 (talk) 23:05, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, indeed it was so alleged, it was even alleged that they were automated, though this was given short shrift. Those creations are of course sanctioned by consensus, in the sense that they are established procedure. However since I was only given 3 minutes to respond to that particular allegation, before an involved admin blocked me for a month, it was never discussed. Rich Farmbrough, 15:54, 3 July 2013 (UTC).[reply]

Correction required

In Robert Motherwell we say "extensive reading of symbolist literature, especially Mallarmé, James Joyce, Edgar Allan Poe and Octavio Paz." Of these four, Poe is pre-symbolist, Joyce is post symbolist and Paɀ I don't believe is categoriɀed as symbolist, though maybe this is arguable, he is probably better categoriɀed, like Joyce, as influenced by the symbolists (especially Mallarmé) about whom he wrote. Rich Farmbrough, 09:59, 3 July 2013 (UTC).[reply]

Rail

Hi Rich. I am intending on a more descriptive, less misleading classification for Britain's railways. Please give your thoughts as to how we can improve the current classification at the railways template where you have been a contributor. Adam37 (talk) 15:24, 5 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry I missed this request at the time, but was unable to comment there anyway. Rich Farmbrough, 09:47, 30 October 2013 (UTC).[reply]

Please check your SWWP talk page

Salaam. I have left a message on your SW-WIKI-TALK-PAGE! Please advise accordingly..--Mwanaharakati(Longa) 12:45, 8 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, replied there at the time. Rich Farmbrough, 09:47, 30 October 2013 (UTC).[reply]



IRC office hours for wiki-mentors and Snuggle users

Start Snuggle

Hi. We're organizing an office hours session with the Teahouse to bring in mentors from across the wiki to try out Snuggle and discuss it's potential to support mentorship broadly. The Snuggle team would appreciate it if you would come and participate in the discussion. We'll be having it in #wikimedia-office connect on Wed. July 17th @ 1600 UTC. See the agenda for more info. --EpochFail(talk • work), Technical 13 (talk), TheOriginalSoni (talk) 18:41, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed deletion of Shabeg Singh

The article Shabeg Singh has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Most of the article is a verbatim copy from http://www.sikh-history.com/sikhhist/personalities/military/shabeg.html. This is a biography of a notable person. However copyrighted material needs to come out.

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Sumanch (talk) 23:26, 16 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This article needs to be re-written. Rich Farmbrough, 12:02, 30 October 2013 (UTC).[reply]
OK this has been done (by reverting to a pre-vio versions), but work is still required. Rich Farmbrough, 12:05, 30 October 2013 (UTC).[reply]

Request to take part in a survey

Hi there. I would very much appreciate it if you could spend ~2 minutes and take a short survey - a project trying to understand why the most active Wikipedia contributors (such as yourself) may reduce their activity, or retire. I sent you an email with details, if you did not get it please send me a wikiemail, so that I can send you an email with the survey questions. I would very much appreciate your cooperation, as you are among the most active Wikipedia editors, and thus your response would be extremely valuable. Thanks! --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:49, 20 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Rich Farmbrough. Please check your email; you've got mail!
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.
 DoneRich Farmbrough, 12:02, 30 October 2013 (UTC).[reply]

Request for Review

Hello there

I am the contributor for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aditi_Technologies page.

I have cleaned up all the issues and have aligned the content to Wikipedia guidelines. Can you please review the page and help me to get away from the status message - "This article has multiple issues.

I am open for feedback.

Many Thanks Ashwin — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ashwinckm1983 (talk • contribs) 11:05, 24 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately I can't help at the moment. Rich Farmbrough, 12:02, 30 October 2013 (UTC).[reply]


Bat-signal

Your thoughts on the problem represented by, for example, (5796) 1978 VK5 ? Chrisrus (talk) 18:10, 28 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Chrisus, I remain willing to complete this work once I am permitted to do so again.
It does not really constitute a "problem" as such, asteroids are not like people where there are some billions we actively don't want articles on, for legal reasons not least. Asteroid stubs are harmless and verifiable.
My main concern is that, given consensus to replace the stubs with redirects (rightly or wrongly) we do a good clean job, without loosing information, and without prejudicing re-creation of individual articles as circumstances change.
Rich Farmbrough, 00:51, 3 August 2013 (UTC).[reply]
I understand. Please, if you would, put Wikipedia:Minor planet articles that might fail NASTRO on your watchlist and comment or act as you may/would. Chrisrus (talk) 05:28, 3 August 2013 (UTC) Actually, you might want to see this first: Wikipedia:BOTREQ#Bot_needed_to_make_a_list Chrisrus (talk) 05:46, 3 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I thought I created an on-wikilist, of course that might be outdated now. The job could be substantially finished reasonably quickly, were I permitted to do it. Rich Farmbrough, 22:59, 8 August 2013 (UTC).[reply]

Correction required - Barbie

Barbie includes the sentence "At 5'9" tall and weighing 110 lbs, Barbie would have a BMI of 16.24 and fit the weight criteria for anorexia." Firstly the wiki-link to anorexia is to the wrong article, and the correct article is linked earlier in the paragraph. Secondly BMI is not a "criteria" for anorexia nervosa unless relatd to other symptoms as I understand it, though unsurprisingly correlations exist. I would suggest the whole sentence is removed. Rich Farmbrough, 00:37, 9 August 2013 (UTC).[reply]

Note that the figure of 17.5 is described (in our BMI article as well as other places) as having a relationship (we say "informal criterion", without a cite), other places say "People with anorexia generally have a BMI below 17.5. " to a plain wrong " Adults with anorexia have a BMI below 17.5." Rich Farmbrough, 00:46, 9 August 2013 (UTC).[reply]
We should possibly have an article on SEED.Rich Farmbrough, 01:00, 9 August 2013 (UTC).[reply]

Iraqi Swiss dinar


s/envoys/convoys/

The

massive movements of currency around the country went off well, although two

currency convoys were unsuccessfully attacked in an intense firefight near Samarra in late November 2003

Rich Farmbrough, 23:09, 15 August 2013 (UTC).[reply]

No editing by proxy, please. Huon (talk) 23:34, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. Rich Farmbrough, 00:26, 16 August 2013 (UTC).[reply]

Technical query

Script: http://bits.wikimedia.org/en.wikipedia.org/load.php?debug=false&lang=en&modules=ext.coreEvents.httpsSupport%7Cext.eventLogging%2CnavigationTiming%2Cthanks%7Cext.gadget.BugStatusUpdate%2CDRN-wizard%2CNoAnimations%2CNoSmallFonts%2CReferenceTooltips%2CTwinkle%2Ccharinsert%2Cedittop%2Cexlinks%2CmySandbox%2Cpurgetab%2Cteahouse%7Cext.gettingstarted.logging%2CopenTask%7Cjquery.autoEllipsis%2CcheckboxShiftClick%2Chidpi%2ChighlightText%2CmakeCollapsible%2Cmw-jump%2Cplaceholder%2Csuggestions%7Cmediawiki.action.view.postEdit%2CrightClickEdit%7Cmediawiki.api.watch%7Cmediawiki.cldr%2Chidpi%2CjqueryMsg%2Clanguage%2CsearchSuggest%2Cui%7Cmediawiki.language.data%2Cinit%7Cmediawiki.page.ready%7Cmediawiki.page.watch.ajax%7Cmobile.desktop%7Cmw.MwEmbedSupport.style%7Cmw.PopUpMediaTransform%7Cschema.Echo%2CEchoInteraction%2CEchoMail%2CEdit%2CGettingStartedNavbar%2CNavigationTiming&skin=monobook&version=20130817T213130Z&*:553

is giving timeouts - any idea why? The script url is enough to give me timeouts and wonder if something is fundamentally wrong here. Rich Farmbrough, 21:42, 17 August 2013 (UTC).[reply]

The script is 626 kBytes. For a site where 64 kByte of content generates a "long page" warning this seems an unacceptable overhead. Can someone please copy this to VP:T. Rich Farmbrough, 09:42, 30 October 2013 (UTC).[reply]
Many thanks! Rich Farmbrough, 12:06, 30 October 2013 (UTC).[reply]

Your article submission Hoërskool Voortrekker

Hello Rich Farmbrough. It has now been over six months since you last edited your article submission, entitled Hoërskool Voortrekker.

The page will shortly be deleted. If you plan on editing the page to address the issues raised when it was declined and resubmit it, simply edit the submission and remove the {{db-afc}} or {{db-g13}} code. Please note, however, that Articles for Creation is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace.

If your submission has already been deleted by the time you get there, and you want to retrieve it, copy this code: {{subst:Refund/G13|Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Hoërskool Voortrekker}}, paste it in the edit box at this link, click "Save", and an administrator will in most cases undelete the submission.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. —Anne Delong (talk) 01:04, 19 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Fortunately, or otherwise, this article, for which I can claim less than 0.1% of the credit, has been live in mainspace for over a year. Rich Farmbrough, 17:08, 19 August 2013 (UTC).[reply]
I am curious as to how long a notice we consider appropriate for the type of user who would have submitted an article and not touched it for six months. I can see no reason to rush, AFC responses themselves, when I last looked, took a good few weeks. Rich Farmbrough, 17:11, 19 August 2013 (UTC).[reply]
It was discussed to death at WT:CSD, over many threads; it got so tedious that I unwatched the page. See Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion/Archive 48#Proposed new criterion: abandoned article drafts et seq. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:41, 19 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. It seems the general idea is promulgated by the fuss-budgets of the community, rather than those concerned with specific and somewhat relevant concerns. The matter would be simply resolved by dealing with AFC properly, but there seems to be a lack of resource for that - it was on my list of things to do. Rich Farmbrough, 22:00, 19 August 2013 (UTC).[reply]

Drum magazine

s/without making it too big to be impractical to carry./without making it so large it is impractical to carry./

Inadvertent double negative. Could also wiki-link AK-47.

Thanks Rich Farmbrough, 02:20, 27 August 2013 (UTC).[reply]

What an awkwardly worded sentence that was. Fixed it and added the wikilink. Howicus (talk) 03:27, 27 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Many thanks! Rich Farmbrough, 03:28, 27 August 2013 (UTC).[reply]

Another Barnstar for You!

The Rosetta Barnstar
Thanks for all of your work in translating articles! Ensignricky Talk 21:31, 30 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
It is my pleasure! Rich Farmbrough, 20:10, 2 September 2013 (UTC).[reply]

A barnstar for you!

The Original Barnstar
Thank you very much for naming Yemen villages. Khmansour1 (talk) 11:42, 1 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You are most welcome! Rich Farmbrough, 20:10, 2 September 2013 (UTC).[reply]

Marjan Jugovic

Many thanks. Rich Farmbrough, 20:10, 2 September 2013 (UTC).[reply]

If you want to appeal your block, I expect you know how to do so. This is an inappropriate use of your talk page while blocked. Huon (talk) 20:43, 2 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sadly I am not entitled to appeal this block.

It is however totally appropriate use of my talk page (unlike the block which is contrary to blocking policy, being clearly punitive).

Wikipedians in turn are not permitted to post or edit material at the direction of a blocked editor (sometimes called proxy editing or proxying) unless they can show that the changes are either verifiable or productive...

Thank you for making productive edits to improve the encyclopaedia. Rich Farmbrough, 03:01, 3 September 2013 (UTC).[reply]

I added a comment to the AfC draft to let the author know about the main-space article. —rybec 03:36, 4 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Belated thanks Rybec. Rich Farmbrough, 12:08, 30 October 2013 (UTC).[reply]

Oxford Meetup 9

Hi, I've created m:Meetup/Oxford/9 with no date, would October 13 or October 20 be most convenient for you? There's a discussion page at m:Talk:Meetup/Oxford/9 so that a date may be agreed. Please comment there. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:21, 16 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Rich Farmbrough, 12:09, 30 October 2013 (UTC).[reply]

Talk Archive

Hi Rich! I hope you are keeping well. With any luck, by the time your block expires ArbCom won't exist anymore. Anyway...

I saw this edit of yours. I thought of two things. One, you might consider doing a setup similar to the way I handle my talk page 'archives'. See the "old content" bar on the top of my talk page. I've personally never liked the idea of having a talk page archive of any kind, and have eschewed creating them. Some people criticized me for that in the past. So sad for them. This system has worked well for me. Two, if you'd like I'd be happy to create the necessary talk page archives for you and move appropriate content to them at your direction. I realize that makes me a proxy editor for you, but I can't see there being any objection to me doing so within your own talk space.

The software should allow a blocked editor to create and maintain subpages within their own userspace. We already have the ability to block someone such that they can not edit their own talk page. Perhaps that needs to be modified to not permit own userspace editing. This would mean that without that block we would allow editors to edit as much as they like in their own userspace.

Let me know if you'd like me to assist you with the latter suggestion. --Hammersoft (talk) 14:02, 18 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That's a kind offer. If Mr. Farmbrough would instead like a bot to do the archiving, I'd be happy to set that up—or if he'd like to be unsubscribed from any newsletter. —rybec 18:11, 18 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks to you both, I may take you up on these offers. The first problem with my existing talk page/archive is that I moved the talk page to the early archives (which is not a bad idea for some reasons, but no longer suits the case). A hist-merge back would be a great start to sorting the archiving issues, if any admin feels up to the task. Rich Farmbrough, 13:23, 30 October 2013 (UTC).[reply]

Please msaada with Kigezo:Tupac Shakur !

Salaam. I have just updated the above mentioned kigezo at SWWP. Pity, I can't find out where did I miss. It doesn't work at all - please be a pal and have sometime to crosscheck it! We need you there. Best!--Mwanaharakati(Longa) 05:38, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]


David Iberri's template filler to Wikimedia Tool Labs

David Iberri's perl template filler tool is down, he asks

If some kind soul would like to install WWW::Wikipedia::TemplateFiller from CPAN on a more stable site, or if they have the time and experience to maintain something on the toolserver, I'd be forever grateful. In the meantime, I'll keep trying. --David Iberri (talk) 20:11, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

I've wondered about Wikimedia Tool Labs but am not proficient with LAMP stacks, if they're available there. Are you permitted to help? Able to do so?

Thanks for all your work. RDBrown (talk) 02:02, 4 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Boghog is going to try. Unsure if multiple people can collaborate easily on labs, but if so help may still be useful. Thanks. RDBrown (talk) 07:22, 4 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to The Wikipedia Adventure!

Hi! We're so happy you wanted to play to learn, as a friendly and fun way to get into our community and mission. I think these links might be helpful to you as you get started.
-- 19:54, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
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Template:Articles to be expanded with sources

Hi, should Template:Articles to be expanded with sources progress be nominated for deletion as an unused template? --Eleassar my talk 22:10, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes it seems so, Eleassar, as should the following categories:
All derive from the now (sadly, and perhaps wrongly, certainly ham-fistedly) deleted {{Expand further}} (or it's poorly named alias {{Expand article}}). Unless another template uses these apparatus they serves no purpose any more. Rich Farmbrough, 12:18, 30 October 2013 (UTC).[reply]
Thank you. I've nominated for deletion the template;[1] for the rest, I'll leave it to others, because I'm not sure what may and what may not be deleted. --Eleassar my talk 08:02, 6 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

The Original Barnstar
Wow, you have joined the million club (or perhaps that should be 'The Million duo?), congratulations! Matty.007 19:57, 29 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the barnstar! Yes, this happened some time last year I think. If you like statistics, counting about 3 million bot edits, I was responsible for about 1% of the edits on the English Wikipedia. It's nice to still be acknowledged from time to time, though I rarely sign in, due to the offensive messages the system spews at me when I do. Rich Farmbrough, 09:32, 30 October 2013 (UTC).[reply]
I wasn't sure if you'd got there recently or not, but none the less this is admirable! How long did it take to work out what percent of edits you were responsible for? Thanks, Matty.007 16:11, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I would suspect that Rich took his own personal edit count, added in those of his bots, multiplied the total by 100 and divided that figure by the number of edits that have been made to Wikipedia; which at the time of the most recent edit to this page, stood at 581663805. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:51, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Simples!. Matty.007 19:08, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Error

SS Empire Celia departed on the 30th December in convoy JW63. This is supported by the cite, though this several others need to be converted to archived versions. Anyone fixing this might also like to separate "SS" and "Empire" with a space in the first line of the article.

(In other news it's good to see that eventually Mr Cartman was ousted from Mr Pitt's dressing room! Well done Corvoe! I'd give you a barnstar were I allowed!)

Rich Farmbrough, 09:32, 30 October 2013 (UTC).[reply]

Thanks! The article says

Between 23 and 26 December Empire Celia embarked a cargo including thirteen Spitfire LF Mk IX's.[14][15] She then sailed as a member of Convoy JW 63, which departed Loch Ewe on 20 December and arrived at the Kola Inlet on 8 January 1945.[16]

Clearly the Spitfires could not be loaded after the departure of the ship! Since the two ports are about a week's sailing at 20 knots I suspected a typo for "30 December" - the source backs this up. Rich Farmbrough, 09:53, 30 October 2013 (UTC).[reply]

Template:...

Hi, this is to inform you, as a contributor to Template:..., about a discussion at Template talk:... regarding the purpose of this template. Knowing your circumstances, you may comment here and I can copy to the talk page. --Redrose64 (talk) 17:02, 1 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wikidata weekly summary #82

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
Read the full report · Unsubscribe · Global message delivery 20:46, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

The Signpost: 30 October 2013

Medicine/Recent changes

Hi Rich. I don't think we've ever interacted. I do a bit of editing on medical pages. Until about a year ago I used to begin my day by clicking on your Special:RecentChangesLinked/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Medicine/Recent_changes and spend the next hour or fifteen reviewing all the changes since I last looked. Doc James and several others in various time zones used your tool too, and we managed to keep a high degree of scrutiny on en.WP's medical content.

I want to resume patrolling but your tool isn't working any more! just listing recent changes to articles beginning with "A". I will fully understand if you're not interested (and thank you for making and maintaining it for as long as you did) but if you are interested, and are permitted to by whatever this block was about, can you tell me what to do to get it working again, please?

Is there any chance the WMF would take over or replicate and maintain this tool? Would that be a good thing? (I've raised this at VPT, Bot requests and on Boghog's talk page. --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 06:47, 5 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Useful tool. Would like to see it working again aswell. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 12:13, 5 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wikidata weekly summary #83

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
Read the full report · Unsubscribe · Global message delivery 21:50, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

The Signpost: 06 November 2013

Category:Kaleidoscope albums

Category:Kaleidoscope albums, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Armbrust The Homunculus 00:37, 10 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Could you please check references for 2 pages Family of Duchess of Cambridge and Gibside THanks so much Mike — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.219.138.209 (talk) 10:56, 12 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:In popular culture has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Trackinfo (talk) 07:19, 13 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed deletion of -ismist Recordings

The article -ismist Recordings has been proposed for deletion. The proposed deletion notice added to the article should explain why.

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion.

24.158.167.119 (talk) 03:49, 14 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Normal text?

Just wondering what you meant by "normal text" in this 2006 edit.

There's some confusion in a discussion at the mixed martial arts Wikiproject regarding whether this applies to fight result tables. Clarification would be appreciated. InedibleHulk (talk) 16:24, November 14, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, Wikipedia is written for an international audience, many of whom are not likely to be familiar with what are, after all, postal abbreviations (worse AL is also the international code for Albania, for example). So any abbreviations that are region specific are best avoided wherever possible. I am always wary of making rules, which is why I appended the, perhaps imprecise, caveat "normal text", clearly quotations and template parameters are exceptions. As to tables that is a grey area, I would be reluctant to censure - indeed I would never censure - someone for attempting to make table columns narrower, or rows consistently short, although I might disagree with the method. However things are not as simple as we would sometimes like them to be, which in this case is a good thing.
For example the table at [2] displays with single line rows on my main monitor. And indeed there are other options than using state abbreviations to compactify the table, certainly there is no need to spell out "United States" - if, in this case, it is needed at all, US may be used (the ISO 3166-1 alpha-2 code, preferred in Wikipedia), or in certain sports articles associated with FIFA or the IOC "USA" where three letter abbreviations are used throughout the table for countries (though one may question this general usage since, almost invariably, it is seen necessary to add flag icons).
In some cases it may be better to decide a column not to be wrapped, or to encourage or force wrapping in a column, the use of "small" text is not to be encouraged - most users will have the default text at a comfortable size, either they must peer at our "small" text, or zoom in, which makes the table wrapping problems worse than when we started. And in this case {{MMA record start}} already sets "font-size: 85%;".
In the example below we have full state names (though arguably not all are necessary), US for United stated, I have removed BC for Vancover, and replaced England with UK (though simply "London" would probably be OK). The longest row is "São Bernardo do Campo, Brazil", so in this example it is possible to have one's cake and eat it.
Res. Record Opponent Method Event Date Round Time Location Notes
Loss 16–3 Cain Velasquez TKO (slam and punch) UFC 166 Oct 19, 2013 5 3:09 Houston, Texas, US For the UFC Heavyweight Championship.
Win 16–2 Mark Hunt KO (spinning hook kick) UFC 160 May 25, 2013 3 4:18 Las Vegas, Nevada, US Fight of the Night.
Loss 15–2 Cain Velasquez Decision (unanimous) UFC 155 Dec 29, 2012 5 5:00 Las Vegas, Nevada, US Lost the UFC Heavyweight Championship.
Win 15–1 Frank Mir TKO (punches) UFC 146 May 26, 2012 2 3:04 Las Vegas, Nevada, US Defended the UFC Heavyweight Championship.
Win 14–1 Cain Velasquez KO (punches) UFC on Fox 1 Nov 12, 2011 1 1:04 Anaheim, California, US Won the UFC Heavyweight Championship; Knockout of the Night.
Win 13–1 Shane Carwin Decision (unanimous) UFC 131 Jun 11, 2011 3 5:00 Vancouver, Canada UFC Heavyweight title eliminator.
Win 12–1 Roy Nelson Decision (unanimous) UFC 117 Aug 7, 2010 3 5:00 Oakland, California, US
Win 11–1 Gabriel Gonzaga KO (punches) UFC Live: Vera vs. Jones Mar 21, 2010 1 3:53 Broomfield, Colerado, US Knockout of the Night.
Win 10–1 Gilbert Yvel TKO (punches) UFC 108 Jan 2, 2010 1 2:07 Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Win 9–1 Mirko Filipović TKO (eye injury) UFC 103 Sep 19, 2009 3 2:00 Dallas, Texas, US
Win 8–1 Stefan Struve TKO (punches) UFC 95 Feb 21, 2009 1 0:54 London, UK
Win 7–1 Fabricio Werdum KO (punches) UFC 90 Oct 25, 2008 1 1:20 Rosemont, Illinois, US Knockout of the Night.
Win 6–1 Geronimo dos Santos TKO (doctor stoppage) Demo Fight 3 May 24, 2008 1 0:44 Salvador, Brazil
Loss 5–1 Joaquim Ferreira Submission (armbar) MTL: Final Nov 10, 2007 1 1:11 São Paulo, Brazil
Win 5–0 Jair Goncalves TKO (punches) Mo Team League 2 Sep 29, 2007 1 2:52 São Paulo, Brazil
Win 4–0 Joaquim Ferreira TKO (retirement) XFC: Brazil Apr 29, 2007 1 5:20 Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
Win 3–0 Edson Ramos TKO (doctor stoppage) XFC: Brazil Apr 29, 2007 1 8:45 Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
Win 2–0 Eduardo Maiorino Submission (guillotine choke) Minotauro Fights 5 Dec 9, 2006 1 0:50 São Bernardo do Campo, Brazil
Win 1–0 Jailson Silva Santos KO (soccer kick) Demo Fight 1 Jul 16, 2006 1 2:58 Salvador, Brazil
Here I have inserted three forced breaks to narrow the table:
Res. Record Opponent Method Event Date Round Time Location Notes
Loss 16–3 Cain Velasquez TKO (slam and punch) UFC 166 Oct 19, 2013 5 3:09 Houston, Texas, US For the UFC Heavyweight Championship.
Win 16–2 Mark Hunt KO (spinning hook kick) UFC 160 May 25, 2013 3 4:18 Las Vegas, Nevada, US Fight of the Night.
Loss 15–2 Cain Velasquez Decision (unanimous) UFC 155 Dec 29, 2012 5 5:00 Las Vegas, Nevada, US Lost the UFC Heavyweight Championship.
Win 15–1 Frank Mir TKO (punches) UFC 146 May 26, 2012 2 3:04 Las Vegas, Nevada, US Defended the UFC Heavyweight Championship.
Win 14–1 Cain Velasquez KO (punches) UFC on Fox 1 Nov 12, 2011 1 1:04 Anaheim, California, US Won the UFC Heavyweight Championship;
Knockout of the Night.
Win 13–1 Shane Carwin Decision (unanimous) UFC 131 Jun 11, 2011 3 5:00 Vancouver, Canada UFC Heavyweight title eliminator.
Win 12–1 Roy Nelson Decision (unanimous) UFC 117 Aug 7, 2010 3 5:00 Oakland, California, US
Win 11–1 Gabriel Gonzaga KO (punches) UFC Live: Vera vs. Jones Mar 21, 2010 1 3:53 Broomfield, Colerado, US Knockout of the Night.
Win 10–1 Gilbert Yvel TKO (punches) UFC 108 Jan 2, 2010 1 2:07 Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Win 9–1 Mirko Filipović TKO (eye injury) UFC 103 Sep 19, 2009 3 2:00 Dallas, Texas, US
Win 8–1 Stefan Struve TKO (punches) UFC 95 Feb 21, 2009 1 0:54 London, UK
Win 7–1 Fabricio Werdum KO (punches) UFC 90 Oct 25, 2008 1 1:20 Rosemont, Illinois, US Knockout of the Night.
Win 6–1 Geronimo dos Santos TKO (doctor stoppage) Demo Fight 3 May 24, 2008 1 0:44 Salvador, Brazil
Loss 5–1 Joaquim Ferreira Submission (armbar) MTL: Final Nov 10, 2007 1 1:11 São Paulo, Brazil
Win 5–0 Jair Goncalves TKO (punches) Mo Team League 2 Sep 29, 2007 1 2:52 São Paulo, Brazil
Win 4–0 Joaquim Ferreira TKO (retirement) XFC: Brazil Apr 29, 2007 1 5:20 Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
Win 3–0 Edson Ramos TKO (doctor stoppage) XFC: Brazil Apr 29, 2007 1 8:45 Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
Win 2–0 Eduardo Maiorino Submission
(guillotine choke) 		Minotauro Fights 5 Dec 9, 2006 1 0:50 São Bernardo do Campo,
Brazil
Win 1–0 Jailson Silva Santos KO (soccer kick) Demo Fight 1 Jul 16, 2006 1 2:58 Salvador, Brazil
I hope that is useful.
All the best, Rich Farmbrough, 18:49, 14 November 2013 (UTC).[reply]

Battle of Belmonst (1899)

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