Talk:Prussian education system

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This article was nominated for deletion on 13 September 2006. The result of the discussion was keep.

Sources

There are no historical sources cited for this article. In particular, the widely quoted line attributed to Fichte has no source, and turns up in Web searches only as an unattributed quotation. I have not found it in Fichte's works yet. I added it as unsourced in Wikiquote.--Cherlin (talk) 22:40, 10 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The claim is made that this quote appears in Gatto, J. T. (1993). Our Prussian school system. Cato Policy Report, 15 (2), l, 10 - I l, 14-15. March 1993. I have not yet found a copy of this report.--Cherlin (talk) 23:06, 10 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Found, fixed, reference added.--Cherlin (talk) 09:25, 12 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV

Alright somebody reverted that again. I think you really have to think about editing before casually reverting. This article is exemplary of many of the criticisms about wikipedia. I will now delete at least the links to partisan homeschooling association propaganda material again and I hope you leave them out at least. As a casual user I can't influence this article but I hope a more experienced editor stumbles over this and realises the unsubstantiated myth and connections that are being established in this article to serve the purpose of in the end slandering the American system of education (sounds absurd, but check the references being made).

I removed everything that was plainly untrue or not classified. I also removed two links to propaganda videos of homeschooling associations. I think the article could be very valuable, as indeed the Prussian system was very influential, but as long as somebody with time can produce a sensible version and not something to give credence to his political ends it should be deleted. Reference can be made to parts of the articles on German and American education. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.2.247.156 (talk) 13:58, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Removed POV copyvio —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dlohcierekim (talk • contribs) 14:07, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Recommend that you sign in and become a member instead of editing anonymously, which makes your claims much more dubious. Your claims of 'propaganda, 'myth' 'slander' and so on are POV.Rusmeister (talk) 03:56, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Maria Theresa

"In Austria, Empress Maria Theresa made use of Prussian pedagogical methods as a means to strengthen her hold over Austria."

Theresa died before the 19th Century had begun. The article says the Prussian system dates to the early 19th Century. I don't see how these two assertions are compatible. Boris B (talk) 01:34, 7 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Reference in popular media

In David Brooks' column of 3/26/12 ("The Relationship School") he cites the founder of an alternative school in New York City as saying that the American education model was "copied from the 18th-century Prussian model designed to create docile subjects and factory workers."…while I would agree with the goal of producing obedient and politically docile citizens, wasn't Prussia an agrarian state, and such, have no need for masses of factory workers? It sounds to me like an ignorant Marxist-inspired description facilitated by lack of knowledge of the geographical base of German industry (the Rhineland). Historian932 (talk) 17:57, 26 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Historian932 is quite correct on Prussia. Brooks is all wrong. see Horace Mann As for "docile" -- the German troublemakers (as in 1848) all came out of the German gymnasia and universities. The American high schools were set up to create teachers and professionals and engineers--very few alumni became factory workers. Rjensen (talk) 18:48, 26 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"Including Japan and the United States"

I can see how the US could be considered relevant because this is the English Wikipedia (but why not UK and Australia?) but why Japan? Out of all the countries that are examples of the Prussian system, what makes Japan special?