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Consensus Inclusion Criteria for Text in This Article

  • Real world aircraft (not fictional or made-up aircraft) that have significant roles in books, films, video games and as toys, provided reliable refs are supplied.
  • For fictional characters who assume the form of an aircraft - inclusion only as a one sentence summary and only for primary aircraft, not one-time configurations.
  • All media types included under article subheadings by aircraft type with at least one link to the article about the aircraft type itself.
  • The aircraft must have a significant role in the work and not simply being seen. Appearances in games are considered non-notable except for notable games dedicated to the specific aircraft.
  • Third party references are needed to show the notability of the appearance. Primary references, such as the book, game or movie itself, are not sufficient for inclusion.
  • Aircraft type articles that have entries here should have Notable appearances in media sections that simply refer to this article, in a manner like Sikorsky MH-53#Notable_appearances_in_media.

Sources/additions

AC130 Gunship; used in C&C Generals, both COD:MW games, appears in Transformers, etc

B1B Lancer appears in Dale Brown's novels

Harrier Jumpjet appears in C&C:RA2

Picking up the manuals for some C&C Games and some COD:MW would yield some more

I dunno, I think the AC130 not being mentioned is pretty significant.

//Annihilatron (talk) 17:04, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Along with the F-22s, F-117 Nighthawks and the CV-22 Osprey are featured prominently throughout the movie. Also featured are the A-10 Thunderbolt II, C-17 Globemaster III, MH-53 Pave Low, HH-53 Super Jolly Green Giant, AC-130 Gunship, C-130 Hercules, MQ-1 Predator unmanned aerial vehicle and Air Force One. [1]
  • [2]
  • I was most impressed with the chatter which occurs in the stage where you are manning the guns in the AC-130 Gunship. The communication from your fellow soldiers in the plane was not only impressive, but informative as well. They were able to give me the heads up on the enemy and comment perfectly on some of my kills. Having watched some real life footage of an AC-130 Gunship on You Tube I was stunned with not only the detail which went into virtual AC-130 COD4 battle scenes but the audio as well. Overall, I enjoyed the near-constant communication from my allies. [3]
  • As with the other games the larger number of production facilities you have the faster your units are produced. There are also some changes here as well - The allied airport acts as radar as well as allowing you to create Harrier attack craft for instance.[4] Annihilatron (talk) 17:47, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • The most reliable source, the Air Force one, has nothing at all to do with the game stuff you're talking about. It's completely about the Transformers movie. Ultimateconsoledatabase is hardly a reliable source. Game-boyz might barely make it, IGN should. The problem is, the aircraft is an unlockable reward, which means not everyone gets it. If it isn't there for everyone, you can hardly call it significant. You clearly don't need it to finish the game. How significant is something that everyone doesn't see? The scene with the AC-130 in Transformers is the most significant one of everything you posted, that isn't already in the article.Niteshift36 (talk) 18:51, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I think we have a pretty good consensus already on this page that unlockables in video games don't make it as notable and thus will be excluded. Besides that no one has ever posted a reliable ref that describes any of them anyway. - Ahunt (talk) 19:10, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Focke Wulf FW 200 appears in "To Have and Have Not" To_Have_and_Have_Not_(film) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.140.93.163 (talk) 22:19, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The C-47 is the plane that the title characters jump out of several times in Band of Brothers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skipbomber (talk • contribs) 5:12 pm, Today (UTC−6)

I apologize for my earlier edits; I wasnt aware there was a source dispute going on. About the presence of the F-14 Tomcat in Afterburner, I located two sources in the form of box back scans.

  • The first one, elisosoftware.org, aside from not being a reliable source, calls it a F-14 "wildcat", making it look very fictional. Steamcommunity.com is not a reliable source by any standard. Segaages.de? I seriously doubt that will pass at RSN, but you're free to see if someone there will support it. Niteshift36 (talk) 16:52, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • ... First, I have no idea of what the RSN process is or what to do there. Can I have the short version? Second, I'm afraid these are the best sources the Internet managed to give me. Its an old game, I'm not sure how to proceed, or which sites would qualify. Sega Retro? All of this s assuming I cant make my own sources.
Third, the most reliable reference to an F-14 in the Afterburner series I managed to find was the F-14D in Afterburner Climax, where its mentioned in the official Japanese site http://sega-afterburner.com/abc_cs/story.html and in the blurb of Sega's arcade machine distributor. http://www.segaarcade.com/node/279 along other fighter planes. The legalese screenshotted at Steamcommunity can also be found in the PDF manual available in the Steam store itself at page 10 (printed as page 8 in the manual) http://cdn2.steampowered.com/Manuals/212480/SART_PC_MANUAL_UK_ESD.pdf Not the best case, I know, but I had to try. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 177.177.228.146 (talk) 17:12, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • RS refers to reliable source and WP:RSN is a noticeboard where you can ask for outside input about questionable sources. Simply put, none of these sources meet the reliable sources criteria. Frankly, if these sources are the best ones available, then the information probably isn't notable enough to include in the article. Just because something is "true" or "we know it" doesn't mean it gets included. Besides the RS policy, see WP:V, WP:SPS and WP:TRUTH. Niteshift36 (talk) 17:48, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • I can see the problem here. Heh, maybe I'm just terrible at finding sources. I guess this ticket can be archived or something, whatever.

Mi-24 Hind

Hi, i saw Rambo, and I think that this Mi-24 is a SA-330 Puma with wings to see like the Hind. Elkan76 (talk) 21:57, 27 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

 Done - Ahunt (talk) 22:59, 27 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Use of the movie itself to identify aircraft as a ref

We have an editor adding notes on aircraft in movies, but using the movie itself as a ref for the entry. It seems to me that these require third party reliable refs. Identifying aircraft from the movie or video game itself as been rejected here before as WP:OR and it further opens the door to adding every appearance of any aircraft to the article, which, as we have discussed we are trying to avoid for volume reasons. Thoughts? - Ahunt (talk) 13:45, 26 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I think the other factor is that if there are no third party refs describing the appearance, then it probably isn't notable enough for inclusion here anyway. We long ago decided that this page should not be a list of all appearances of any aircraft in any media, but only "significant" ones, to avoid a trivia list and also an infinite-sized article. - Ahunt (talk) 15:09, 26 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Okay since a week has passed with no further discussion I think we have a consensus to remove teh movie ref and tag this. - Ahunt (talk) 23:54, 6 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • There are several other entries in this article that are cited with the film or book itself, i.e. primary sources. I've let this slide where the type was obvious and no OR-type specifics included. -Fnlayson (talk) 16:07, 7 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, but is it notable if no 3rd party notices it? Hcobb (talk) 17:04, 7 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, if no third party refs have noted it then it isn't notable! As part of the week-end clean up I have removed all of these, but if anyone thinks they are still notable then please present your case here and let's discuss them. - Ahunt (talk) 12:28, 8 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Apparently the original person who added these would rather edit-war to include them against this consensus than discuss here. I have removed them one more time and invited him to participate here. - Ahunt (talk) 15:31, 9 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I have gone though all the refs and removed text only supported by primary refs, as we discussed here. I may have missed some, so please do double-check me! - Ahunt (talk) 00:45, 10 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I think we have a good enough consensus here that third party refs are needed to show notability that I will add this to the criteria box at the top of the page and at WP:AIRPOP. - Ahunt (talk) 11:32, 13 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

F-16 Fighting Falcon

The Starscream from the Transformers Prime series has as alt mode in a F-16. User:Rotterdammtje

As noted in the consensus inclusion criteria at the top of this page, we don't mention alt modes as they are not significant. - Ahunt (talk) 11:25, 5 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Space Shuttle orbiter?

I think this entry is a bit of a stretch, the problem is twofold. One the shuttle is defined as a orbital spacecraft, the re-entry gliding part appears to be non-notable. The second, and more importantly is these craft are fictional (they never actually flew). These entries should be listed on List of fictional spacecraft. - On a side note this argument could probably be made for Blue Thunder and Airwolf, although the birds did actually fly. - FOX 52 (talk) 18:36, 10 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

That discussion didn't cover the fictional (aircraft) aspect. I'm a little confused on the title of this article, are these real aircraft in fiction or not? If so, what about the List of fictional aircraft and addressing shuttle issue List of fictional spacecraft? - FOX 52 (talk) 21:00, 12 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • This list is only real aircraft. Niteshift36 (talk) 21:27, 12 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Fictional aircraft are ones that exist only in fictional works. They could be totally made-up or be an enhanced version of a real aircraft. This article covers aircraft that exist in real life, either built or a real ones being designed. The entries you removed were about Space Shuttle orbiters that appear in one in fictional works. They don't have to be real orbiters such as Columbia, or Challenger. -Fnlayson (talk) 21:30, 12 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
OK Fnlayson, if your saying "They (aircraft) could be totally made-up or be an enhanced version of a real aircraft" should be in the fictional list, then shouldn't aircraft like Blue Thunder and Airwolf be romved this article? - FOX 52 (talk) 22:49, 12 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, the Airwolf and Blue Thunder helicopters are fictional aircraft. But they are real aircraft with fictional dressings as well. I'm fine with removing them or keeping them. -Fnlayson (talk) 14:46, 14 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not sure. The actual aircraft were used, just in a fictional way. A F117, however, wasn't used. It was solely CGI. I could go either way. We have retained entries where T-6 Texans were used as stand-ins for Zero's in Tora, Tora, Tora. Niteshift36 (talk) 00:32, 13 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • That's one I could understand, it's one real aircraft portraying another real aircraft. With that said I'll leave'em and restore the shuttles, I think moonraker, is one that should be moved to the fictional list. - FOX 52 (talk) 01:11, 13 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

SR71 in "Space Cowboys".

Tommy Lee Jones talks about both the difficulties and joys in flying this plane whilst it is shown behind him. The allegory of this to his illness and age is quite clear; it makes the incident very significant. Old_Wombat (talk) 10:40, 21 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Quite a few aircraft in "Executive Decision".

From memory, there is an F-117 and a KC-10, possibly more. As the main plot of the film as about a hijacked aircraft, pretty well all aircraft appearances in this movie are significant. Old_Wombat (talk) 10:43, 21 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Lots of aircraft in "Foyle's War".

There are a number of appearances of several Spitfires (Andrew Foyle, the son of the main character, is a Spitfire pilot). There are a number of Spitfire incidents in the show that are crucial to the plot. One entire episode is centred around a hospital that treats badly burned pilots; a Spitfire crash and burn is shown, and a Wellington crash and burn is mentioned although not shown.

An Avro Lancaster appears at the end of one episode; it appears to be conducting an early testing of a Dambuster bomb and is filmed (ie, the "filming" is part of the plot) whilst doing so. Whether this is "significant" or not is open to interpretation.

A few Luftwaffe aircraft appear on occasions. Some are significant to the plot, although as generic "German aircraft", rather than any particular make/model. So again "significance" is open to interpretation.

At least two episodes show British barrage balloons. In one episode, they are crucial to the plot - the failure of the balloons to stop the German bombing is implicated in a motive for a murder. Old_Wombat (talk) 10:46, 21 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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