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Croatian Operational Research Society

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Minor society with (according to themselves) only 150 members. No independent sources, no indication of any notability. Does not meet WP:ORG. Randykitty (talk) 15:02, 25 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

For the same reasons, I am co-nominating the following articles:

Finnish Operations Research Society

Hungarian Operations Research Society

Italian Operations Research Society

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National Operational Research societies, even small ones (by membership) are important as they form the core of the International Federation of Operational Research Societies (IFORS) and of the Association of European Operational Research Societies (EURO). As such, each of these deserves its own wikipedia article (I don't have time to publish all of them at once, but my objective in the long run is to cover all European societies). Bfortz (talk) 15:21, 25 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I think you're wasting your time, mostof these societies do not and will never meet WP:ORG. If there is anything encyclopedic to tell about such a national society, you could conceivably include it in the article on the European or international association (if independent reliable sources can be found). But stand alone articles don't seem to be justified. --Randykitty (talk) 16:06, 25 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

As noted above, National Operational Research Societies are important both nationally and as part of the wider Operational Research community. Some were formed many years ago and all the ones we are uploading have had a rigorous check of their statutes and processes by both International Federation of Operational Research Societies (IFORS) and Association of European Operational Research Societies (EURO). National societies operate as a service to both academics and practitioners within their own country, but also support collaborative practice internationally, so their recognition is important and their contribution to International Federation of Operational Research Societies (IFORS) and Association of European Operational Research Societies (EURO) is valuable even where they appear small in terms of membership. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sarahfores (talk • contribs) 15:52, 25 January 2015 (UTC) This template must be substituted.[reply]
Comment Notability is the issue here, not "importance", and we should only have articles on subjects that have been covered in depth by reliable secondary sources independent of the subject. Should this and other nation's Operational Research Societies fail to meet WP:GNG or WP:ORG, merging to the European region's article would be appropriate, especially if the scope and purpose of each Society is largely the same. --Animalparty-- (talk) 16:13, 25 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment As the president of the Croatian Operational Research Society, I can confirm that the influence of this society to the scientific community can be proved by external links to secondary resources - conferences that we organize, journals that we publish, society that link to us. Please do not delete this page in another few days until we add those links that will support our notability. Marijana — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mzekicsusac (talk • contribs)

Comment Mzekicsusac has just added a bunch of external links to the article. Despite their promotional nature or irrelevance, I have left them there for other editors to check. As far as I can see, none of them are independent sources confirming any notability for this society. --Randykitty (talk) 17:51, 27 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This sounds like a case of WP:BRANCH. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 21:01, 27 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The page of the Italian Operations Research Society now includes links to: (i) two articles appeared on Corriere della Sera and one article appeared on Repubblica (the two major Italian newspapers) referring to the society and to society members; (ii) the entry of another international Encyclopedia (the Wiley Encyclopedia of Operations Research and Management Science) on the history of the society; (iii) the page of http://www.mathematics-in-europe.eu which lists the society among the 9 Italian mathematical societies. I believe these independent sources are an indication of notability of a society that has existed for over half a century.