User talk:Sitush

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... or panic madly and freak out?

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Attention on Propaganda Articles and misleading edits in List of Rajputs

Hello Sitush The articles Thakur Yugal Kishore Sinha looks like the content uploader 'Prabhatmishra1985' (who has been blocked earlier) is running a propagandist agenda and presenting mostly hoax and over exaggerated facts in disguise of some real facts.He has inserted the names of son and grandson of Thakur Yugal Kishore Sinha & Ram Dulari Sinha in many places including the top slot of the wiki page political families of Bihar. How can a couple's children who have never ever been a legislator,parliamentarian or held any constitutional office or had any political relevance be forcefully presented as 'important political personalities of Bihar'? Is it a place to promote or falsely portray individuals?

Secondly, In the page political families of Bihar,there are seasoned families whose several generations of leaders have held highest constitutional offices in India/bihar and there are families producing several ministers and Chief Ministers;how come the couple of Thakur Yugal Kishore Sinha & Ram Dulari Sinha be considered a 'political dynasty or family of Bihar' when after the couple none of their children or grand child ever won any election in state or held any important constitutional office or in short never got the people's mandate.

Also, the user 'Prabhatmishra1985' has strangely added the couple in the FIRST place of the national 'List of Rajputs'- 'Politicians of India'. He has removed much much important historic,political and constitutional personalities of India belonging to Rajput Caste and inserted Thakur Yugal Kishore Sinha at the TOP of list who was only a one time MP and .If his his wife Ram Dulari Sinha (Who may be included as she held post of a Governor) is included then why not other Rajputs who have held the office of Governor of several states and some who became Governors & CMs many times?. There are hundreds of prominent Rajputs who have been MPs and members of first Lok Sabha of India and there are some who even have been CMs, Governors and central ministers,then how come only Thakur Yugal Kishore Sinha who doesn't qualify to be placed at the 'Top' is allowed there?Kindly ensure only content backed by realistic sources and genuine importance are uploaded.

Neutral parties on Bengal famine of 1943?

Hello Sitush.

I have no recollection at all how I started working on Bengal famine of 1943. I grew up in suburban US in a rural state, and all of my relatives are very rural 'Muricans. I don't give a flying hoot about the Raj. If anything at all... I can come clean and confess to being obsessively perfectionist (in many but not all cases; sometimes I DGAF, esp. for pop culture crap) about Wikipedia. I probably have lost friends because of it, in fact.

I spent a year rewriting Bengal famine of 1943 because it was massively POV horse manure. I made a half-completed list of all the POV aspects, and even half done, it was distressing. Huge aspects never even mentioned, etc. That list is given on the MilHist try I think.

I acknowledge that I perceive Fowler&Fowler to be an admitted pro-British POV editor because of this comment: "This is in part because BFo1943 is only obliquely military history. In fact to cast it as military history is to buy into a POV out there that exceptional war time conditions allowed the famine to fly under the radar of British responsibility."

F&F has already asserted that he thinks I worked in userspace to protect a POV.

Are there any very experienced and very neutral editors who can help satisfy F&F's demands that the article must be checked?

Having said all that, I have to confess: I very clearly believe (and invite you to consider the possibility) that there are exactly three forums in the whole of Wikipedia that even come close to being equipped to handle this article. Those three forums are WP:FAC, WP:FAC, and WP:FAC. GA? Please. PR? Well, yeah, in theory, but in practice it is undermanned. It is designed to be of lesser quality than FAC. MILHIST? Same as PR, plus A- level reviewers are all at FAC already anyhow... In FAC people have to stow away their POV, and the best reviewers in Wikipedia congregate at FAC. I would be quite content for the article to sit three or four months in FAC, if that's what it takes...

Sigh. I give up; I forgot that you already said at Bish's page that you don't have a good view of the article. Cheers; I'll go bang my head against a wall at WT:FAC.  Lingzhi ♦ [[User talk:Lingzhi|(t

We put up with too much

Rashakhalifa added a shorter version of Hani Sarie-Eldin's cv as early as 2013. I've given them a discretionary sanctions alert for blps, plus a specific warning. Is my patience getting shorter? Bishonen | talk 18:06, 4 October 2017 (UTC).

It was rather ridiculous, so I wouldn't blame your patience. - Sitush (talk) 19:01, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

One up on you :-P

Ha, as well as our paid work for Indian princes, I've also now blagged a job with the CIA (along with User:Materialscientist and User:Yamla). Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 21:05, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

I wonder when I can expect my paycheque. Not the first time I've been accused of working for the CIA, which is weird because I'm not a US citizen and live in Canada. Or so I claim. --Yamla (talk) 22:01, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

The web is disproportionately populated by conspiracy theorists and outright nutjobs. I doubt Berners-Lee intended this. Although doubtless some conspiracy theorists and/or nutjobs will insist that he did. - Sitush (talk) 13:23, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

I expect Berners-Lee was a CIA agent all along. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 17:29, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

That's a new one for me, too...I think I've been outed as an agent of Pakistani intelligence, but not of the CIA (yet) that I recall...Vanamonde (talk) 18:07, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

Disappearance of Andrew Gosden

Hello. Why have you changed dates on this article to YMD when you yourself have acknowledged DMY dates at the top of the article? The ref for WP:RETAIN seems to indicate leaving the dates as the norm for UK articles. Regards. The joy of all things (talk) 10:26, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

I didn't. I changed it to dmy - the birthdate was mdy before that change. It is common practice to use yyyy-mm-dd for accessdates. The dates tool is very handy, very quick and very reliable. - Sitush (talk) 10:34, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

I recognised the conversion to DMY on the birthdate; I just cannot see why having two date formats is sensible- the refs have a published date in DMY but an accessdate in YMD. The two different dates just seems odd to me; is there an actual steer that says we must do this, or is it your preference? I was going by MOS:DATETIES and MOS:DATERET. Regards. The joy of all things (talk) 11:25, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

There was a discussion about it somewhere, years ago. I suspect a contradiction in guidelines which are, after all, not rules. ISO certainly reduces clutter but I'm pretty sure that wasn't the rationale otherwise everything would be ISO. Tbh, I was actually toying with sending the thing to AfD anyway: barring evidence to the contrary, it's just another runaway kid and that people keep making appeals about him is pure run of the mill.. I may still do that. - Sitush (talk) 11:48, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

Sending it to AfD is, of course, your perogative. Myself, I would vote to keep, but I wouldn't cry about it if it was deleted. The mechanics of his disappearance are interesting to say the least and it meets GNG as it has been covered by The Times, The Guardian and the BBC as well as local news. However, seeing as how I created the article, your last line seems like a threat rather than a well-thought out argument. I am more concerned that the dates make it look untidy rather than a WP:OWN scenario. If I have interpreted this incorrectly, then I am sorry; but the last line seems quite unfriendly. Regards. The joy of all things (talk) 12:18, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

Not a threat - a whole bunch of similar articles have been deleted recently, at least some of which you can see by looking at the removals from List of people who disappeared mysteriously. That it has been covered by major news sources has already been rejected as a valid argument in those previous deletions. As for the dates, I really don't care about aesthetics: I just used the tool and followed what I considered to be normal practice. If you don't like it, change it. The only reason I even looked at the page was because of the likelihood that it was similar to the other recently deleted articles and, indeed, it is. - Sitush (talk) 12:25, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for the clarification. I had seen the whole raft of articles being deleted, but I did not vote as I was unaware of those individual articles going to AfD. That said, I probably would have voted for delete on some given the dearth of reliable sources. If the Gosden article is going before AfD then I will refrain from changing anything as it would seem pointless given the only person voting to keep the deleted articles is David Goodheart. If deletion it is, then so be it; as I said, I am not that heavily invested in it. Apologies for misinterpreting your intent. Regards. The joy of all things (talk) 13:11, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

As an aside, if there is a mass cull ongoing of various articles (for which I must register I am not against in principle), would it not be part of WP:AFDEQ to mention this mass cull on the Talk page? I have arrived at the party late because I was blissfully unaware of those particular articles being selected (partly my fault for not having them on my watchlist). Regards. The joy of all things (talk) 13:11, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

I am not aware of a mass cull - 5 or 6 articles so far, not all nominated on the same day and not al nominated by me. Bearcat, I think it was, suggested in one of those discussions that a lot of others in the list should probably go but I haven't acted on that. Perhaps I am out of kilter but I've never seen anyone mention such nominations purely as a courtesy ... but hen I happen to think that most list articles have no place on Wikipedia, so probably don't pay much attention to their talk pages as a rule. - Sitush (talk) 16:05, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

I think the issue is that at certain Wikiprojects (e.g. Wikiproject Yorkshire & Wikiproject Railways) articles for deletion PRODs etc are listed as being nominated and then link to the deletion proposal page which is what I am familiar with (but that could be me being out of kilter). I commend you for placing the latest notice on the talk page and I apologise for using the phrase mass cull. On one of the deletion pages someone mentioned many more to be sent to the chopping block, I rather rashly assumed that was underway.

I thank you for your comments and I appreciate your even-handedness in this discussion. It's quite rare to have a civilised discussion about things. Thank you again and regards.The joy of all things (talk) 18:30, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

Owens

It's good to see you leave the subcontinent for a while to improve Manchester articles. I may even continue with something I started but need to visit the library. J3Mrs (talk) 10:31, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

And Liverpool - see stuff in Category:Holt family. Much to do regarding the latter and I have all the resources + copious primary source notes. However, I've been toying with writing up that lot off-wiki and perhaps even publishing it that way precisely because so much is in the primaries.

The Holts, via something else and then Samuel Fletcher (merchant), was my convoluted route to Owens since the early hours of this morning. I don't hold out much hope for Fletcher: plenty of contemporary news sources but almost entirely run-of-the-mill for a Victorian local worthy (attended this meeting, spoke at another, was on the committee of X, served as a magistrate etc). - Sitush (talk) 10:39, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

These people are so much more interesting than present day celebs. I'm really struggling to find any enthusiasm but fortunately my days are mostly filled with other stuff. J3Mrs (talk) 10:47, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

I think many of the socks I block, suggest that to Sitush already!—SpacemanSpiff 10:51, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

Ha! Goes to show that sometimes I can please everyone :) - Sitush (talk) 11:01, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

Hindi?

Do you speak it? If yes, can you take a look here and see what they are on about? They posted what appeared to be a bio (google translate was semi-useful) and some personal details at the village pump. I don't know if they are making a complaint or trying to promote something etc. Or it could be a hindi bot for all I know. Only in death does duty end (talk) 10:56, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

No, sorry. I am fluent in English and Gibberish only. Maybe post at WT:INB or look up the language/babel user category? - Sitush (talk) 11:00, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

I've been in your presence both before and after a beer session, so I can confirm both ;-) Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 11:02, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

Nice people the Gibbers, very welcoming. Only in death does duty end (talk) 11:07, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

You were there afterwards, Boing? I don't recall that. - Sitush (talk) 11:16, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

Did you recall anything? Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 11:45, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

I distinctly recall lending you £400 to tide you over until the cheque turned up from Prince. I never got it back, but then you probably never got the cheque. - Sitush (talk) 12:22, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

^^ This is an in-joke, folks, Boing! owes me nothing.

Heh, nested small tags. Can you read this?

Help, I'm slowly getting smaller and smaller. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 12:36, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

Only in death, they appear to be using their talk page as a sandbox in which they've pasted what appears to me like snippets of a description of classical poetry. – Uanfala 11:08, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

Well that's certainly a more literary form of promotion than I was expecting. It was the mobile number at the pump that caught my eye. Only in death does duty end (talk) 11:10, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

Offensive and racist content against Marathi Brahmins

Dear Sitush, Someone had used the word 'nigger' on the wikipedia page for Deshastha Brahmins to refer to Brahmins. Needless to say this is very racist and extremely offensive to Brahmins from Maharashtra. I understand it was a quote by some colonial era European and not a personal quote by a wiki editor. But in my opinion such racist language should be avoided on wikipedia. Hence I removed it. Do wiki admins run a search tool on all the wiki content for vulgar/racist words. What is the wikipedia policy on such issues? Thank you. M.Acharya.

I don't know the context but see WP:CENSORED. Eg: archaisms are sometimes appropriate, however much they might offend us. -Sitush (talk) 12:18, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

See Talk:Deshastha Brahmin#Please avoid racist and offensive language. Indeed, WP:CENSOR. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 12:21, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

Madhwa Brahmins

Since I seem to have a few people watching at the moment, can someone please take a look at the goings-on at Madhwa Brahmins and its talk page. - Sitush (talk) 12:38, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi Sitush, why so can i know the reason Madhwa Brahmin page.I think i did not mislead any information i'm writing neutrally according to wiki standards. Motospiff (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 03:05, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Why waste efforts?

Hey, I have seen you putting in time and efforts to clear Raj era sources again and again. I appreciate the effort. But wouldn't it be little less cumbersome to get those sources added to the Blacklist or something and let some bots do this job for you? -- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo (talk · contribs · count) 13:45, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

It wouldn't be easy because there are valid uses for many of the sources, eg in articles about the books and their authors. - Sitush (talk) 13:51, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

Incoming crap

Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/The_World_Contest - yet more crap incoming, and some will get "paid" for it. I've recently edited a couple of articles that I think may have had origins in the last contest and, well, they were very poor, as also happened with the Dalit History Month collaboration - dubious notability, seriously misrepresenting sources etc. We're past the growth phase now and really should be insisting on quality. - Sitush (talk) 12:57, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

You may be interested in Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Megalibrarygirl, particularly the answer to q. 1. Samsara 14:14, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

I don't have a problem with Megalibrarygirl. Not had much interaction - hence no involvement at the RfA - but I've seen the name around. One of the problems is exploitation of poor special notability guidelines, which is why so many female/women/whatever the heck the PC term is at the moment author bios seem to appear during these events. In any event, as an admin who has declared that involvement in WiR, she won't be able to use the tools in that area. - Sitush (talk) 15:56, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

On the other hand, this says it all when it comes to the WMF and grants etc. - Sitush (talk) 23:25, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

Removal of surnames

I visit page on CKPs https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chandraseniya_Kayastha_Prabhu quite often I saw that some surnames were removed. Why so? SP2705 (talk) 13:20, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

I replied to your similar message on the article talk page. - Sitush (talk) 15:57, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi

I have responded to your comment at my talk page. I had to archive the whole thread as TheGracefulslick could not miss the opportunity to start up something. Anyway I have no issue with you as long as we both can agree to what I wrote. I will do a great effort to expand on my reasoning for the benefit of you, absolutely. And you will try to stance from POV pushing. Have a great evening.--BabbaQ (talk) 18:19, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

Anyway, on a happier note I have to say that I admire your work here on Wikipedia overall. Cleaning up articles, etc etc. If you find time for it please take a look at some of the articles that I have created and see if there are stuff to improve. Regards.--BabbaQ (talk) 18:20, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

Shri Shakaracharya's letter source on CKP page - I find your comment inaccurate

Dear Sitush,

You said "I doubt that the Illustrated Weekly of India was a reliable source - can we not find something better?" on https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chandraseniya_Kayastha_Prabhu&action=history

Very surprised that a wiki admin should make such a comment

I strongly disagree that a respected secondary source news-magazine that was around for more than a 100 years (until 1993?) and had prominent journalists editing it should be arbitrarily classified as 'not good' by a Wikipedia admin in a comment. We allow worse sources elsewhere on Wikipedia. Primary source(Shri Shankaracharya's letter itself) does exist but is from Raj era - so we cannot use it as per Wikipedia rules( I am talking about "Ethnographical notes on Chandraseniya Kayastha Prabhu" ). And we are not using this Raj era source. But at least it does validate the secondary source.

This so called CKP community is extremely tiny (numerically) and hence it is difficult to find a lot of literature on it. We are facing similar issues with Pathare prabhus and even our fellow Karhade Brahmins. We should not dismiss a perfectly valid secondary sources like 'the weekly' imho.

I would like to add this reference back - but as you say I will try to search for another secondary source. But in any case this 1970s source is quite informative and well written in itself and should not be removed IMHO.

Acharya63 (talk) 04:44, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

• (talk page stalker) a) Sitush is not an admin b) you're misrepresenting a tentative statement by Sitush as a dogmatic one c) I suspect (from a brief look at some copies of IWI) that the news-magazine probably varies quite a bit in the quality of its reporting. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 07:01, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

keegan photo

keegan hi Sitush. I see you are replacing an old photo, why is that? I have looked at the photo situation before and there is no problem at all with the photo you are removing, what problem do you see with that photo? Govindaharihari (talk) 14:49, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

Look at the article talk page. The consensus was in favour of the old photo and not pandering to vanity. I then asked for an explanation because your own intervention was as clear as mud and the single-purpose accounts simply do not understand how we work. - Sitush (talk) 15:09, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

I have had a look and am not seeing any clear concensus that the old photo is better, as I see it it is clearly worse. As for pandering to vanity, BLP urges us to insert to better photo rather than insisting on a poorer photo because the subject themselves is a single porpose account and hates it. We can start a RFC if you want? Govindaharihari (talk) 12:39, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

You swanned in there after a consensus had emerged and then tried to impose your preference. If you can't see that there is blatant COI editing and socking, you probably shouldn't touch the article at all because somewhere down the line you may get accused of being paid to do so. - Sitush (talk) 12:47, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

Vellalar

Hi Sitush I left a message for you on Talk:Vellalar. Xenani (talk) 15:25, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. I will take a look later. - Sitush (talk) 15:53, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

Sitush, I do not understand your random deletes due to their inconsistency

Sitush, I am not understanding your deletions. Please explain.

1. You deleted a table from https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chandraseniya_Kayastha_Prabhu&oldid=805875832 calling it trivia. But exactly similar 'trivia' (in fact older) had existed on the Deshastha Brahmin page that you have been editing for years. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Deshastha_Brahmin&oldid=412765800

2. You deleted the opinion of Shri Shankaracharya (the highest authority on hinduism) by giving a reason that you do not care about some religious leader in the 1800s. But the source is not british-era. The other day you asked to find a better source for that SAME information and did not delete it. So it seems you did care about Shri Shankaracharya at that time. So what changed? So should I look for a better source for his opinion?

Are not ALL caste articles based based on opinions of religious people before the 20th centuries? Were castes formed in the 20th century? We are using non-british era sources.

3. Also, you deleted Jonathansammy's and my hard work about the satyagraha (on the same page). https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chandraseniya_Kayastha_Prabhu&oldid=805875832

But you have allowed similar information (about Ambedkar) to remain on https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Deshastha_Brahmin&oldid=412765800

You seem to follow different "rules" in your deletes for different pages. Acharya63 (talk) 06:36, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

See the CKP talk page and WP:OSE (I can't fix everything myself). To be honest, I try to keep away from Brahmin-related articles for much of the time because the contributors from the Brahmin community are among the most obnoxious I have come across - even I have limits.

Please also note that, despite their experience, Johnathansammy makes a lot of poor edits, eg: using inappropriate sources and citing in weird ways. - Sitush (talk) 06:40, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Hm, I notice that the table you refer to at Deshastha Brahmin was only added a few days ago, by you and/or Jonathansammy. I have no idea why you think I should be checking all 3600+ articles on my watchlist every day but I am getting a bit fed up of some of the rubbish I am seeing when I do look. Some people certainly should know better by now than to misrepresent sources etc. - Sitush (talk) 06:45, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Please also note that, despite their experience, Johnathansammy makes a lot of poor edits. - Hmmm. Interesting. "Please also note that, despite his experience, Sitush also makes a lot of poor edits.

And I expect that, given Sitush's recent editing behaviour, Sitush thinks I make "a lot of poor edits". (I, of course(!), would disagree(!!!). ;-) The fact of the matter is that we all have different opinions, and, in my highly biased opinion, the best strategy is to WP:AGF and discuss things first rather than assume that one knows everything and assume that the other editor is a moron.

Sitush: Enjoy your break. If when you come back you're not more relaxed, take a longer break! Best wishes, Pdfpdf (talk) 10:21, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

And how do you know I haven't discussed? It has been mentioned before. Now go away and don't bother coming back. - Sitush (talk) 11:45, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

The states series is not considered to be reliable - plagiarises stuff written in the Raj era

Hmmmm I wonder how People of india, Anthrapological survey of India 2003 can be Raj Era. Care to explain? In relation to chib. And also please explain what you consider reliable book on casts and communities.

The "states" series of PoI plagiarises Raj era sources. It has been discussed at WP:RSN and I'm fairly surely I would have said that either in my edit summary or on the article talk page; certainly, I usually do. As for what constitutes a reliable source, see WP:RS. - Sitush (talk) 03:27, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Enjoy your break, Sitush. You deserve it!

Kautilya3 (talk) 18:03, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Seymour Remenick

Hi, you recently edited the page Seymour Remenick, and took out some bio information. Reason was you don't know this is the same person. May I ask, which parts do you mean? The part from the Schwarz gallery seems to be pretty clear it's Seymour Remenick. Can you put the part citing the Schwarz gallery back in? Thanks Socialresearch (talk) 21:55, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Yes, sorry. Now fixed. My mistake. - Sitush (talk)

why so much bias against Yadav article

May I know why so much bias against article. You seem to be ignoring every valid source violating Wikipedia neutral policy. Meenapandit — Preceding unsigned comment added by Meenapandit (talk • contribs) 05:17, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Not here. And, ideally, not an the article talk page either because this has been dealt with at dispute resolution and nothing has changed re: sources since then. - Sitush (talk) 03:24, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Correctness.....

Hi, Sitush,

As my go-to-guy in any cast-related-topic, can you kindly verify the correctness of this edit?Regards:)Winged Blades of Godric^{On leave} 10:06, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

I'm not great on the Nepalese caste system. It differs somewhat from that of India (and I'm not even sure why!). Sorry. - Sitush (talk) 03:23, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

edit warrior

stop edit warring andf then dropin edit war templates on other users talkpages, its embarrasing. Govindaharihari (talk) 06:52, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

I know you're embarrassing. There is an open RfC and, not for the first time, you are trying to bludgeon your way through this. You opened an unnecessary (and quickly close) thread at BLPN, you supported obvious sockpuppets, you changed the format of an image without discussion, and so on. Then you have the crassness to throw an "lol" in my direction? - Sitush (talk) 06:54, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Koch Rajbongshi people

Hi. I noticed that you have some history with Rajbanshi. A few days after your last edit, it was cut-paste-merged into Koch Rajbongshi people which was itself moved from Rajbongshi. Now there's some weird double-barrelled business going on that looks suspect. Britannica names them Koch, also called Rajbanshi … Any idea what's going on here? Cheers.—Cpt.a.haddock (talk) (please ping when replying) 13:46, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Oh, what a mess. This edit summary is wrong, for starters. I removed a copyvio in 2013 and noted that at the merge discussion but, clearly, it was sourceable per the copyvio document, which I have been able to download again. But after spending four pages calling them the Koch, on the last page it speaks of there being different types of Rabanshi, including the Koch Rabashi (sic), and then of their being "subcastes of the Koch Rabanshis". So that source isn't particularly clear.

On the other hand, the hyphenated Koch-Rabanshi mentioned in the new Koch Rajbongshi people article does not appear in that source at all and nor do variants mentioned there such as Koch Bihari. I can't see the first source at the new article, which does moot the possibility of confusing two tribes as one using the second source. The third source at the new article, also used in the lead, is Edward Gait, who is not reliable.

I'm as confused as you, sorry. I can try to do some digging around but I don't have anything here related to Nepalese tribes and I don't know of any "go to" sources for them, so it would be a start-from-scratch job. - Sitush (talk) 15:01, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

I notice that Ethnologue treats Koch and Rajbanshi as synonyms for the same language, along with a few other names. - Sitush (talk) 15:27, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Janjua

Hi. I made some edits on the article of Janjua but you reverted it. I have a good reference for this, the famous and most popular newspaper of Pakistan which is Express news.The evidence is that https://www.express.pk/story/111494/ Newblog 32 (talk) 01:38, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi, I think the Daily Mail is likely the most popular newspaper in the UK (certainly one of them) but we don't use it to verify a lot of things. Using newspapers to verify matters of long-ago history is rarely a good idea. Can you not find the information in a book? The newspaper got it from somewhere. - Sitush (talk) 08:45, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

Kumar Vishwas

Don't understand why you are highlighting only negative and unpopular matters related to Kumar Vishwas. You are just deleting the good content and pasting the same material which maligns his image. I have given the references for each edits. Please go through this.

I'm not highlighting anything. I'm just trying to prevent it turning into a hagiography again while copyediting the useful update you gave regarding the molestation case. More importantly, I am concerned that you are trying to insert a copyrighted image. I've explained that on your talk page. - Sitush (talk) 08:44, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

Yes, you ARE highlighting negative news and I have doubt on your intention. If you have done enough research on this person, don't you know that he has done several shows on mainstream Indian television channels? Have you gathered the information about it and posted here as you have gathered the controversy element? It is a sure thing that you are either being paid for this act or you are getting some benefit in turn of doing this maligning activity. - CreativeEdit (talk) 10:26, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for your concern about copyrighted image but that image is provided by his office. Also thanks for keeping the update about molestation case. You have also revert the countries visited by him. I have given references for that too. Hope you revert that. Thanks. -Dipupandey (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 08:53, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi, I have just tagged the image for deletion. He cannot have taken the photo himself and it appears, for example, in this newspaper. I think that you may need to be careful regarding conflict of interest and suggest that you read the information about this by clicking on the link.

The Vishwas article has for many years been a honeypot for his fans. Wikipedia is supposed to be neutral and, for example, long lists of places that he has visited are of little benefit to the reader. We already name a few, and at one point the list contained something like 40-50 places, which was silly.

I remain concerned about the article because of all the statements related to legal matters. I know that the Indian legal process can be slow and that mountains are often made out of molehills with FIRs etc, but it has long concerned me that we may be placing too much stress on legal matters. However, it is not helpful to counter that by adding to the list of places visited or inserting an incredibly opinionated comment about him having rock star status as if it is Wikipedia who thinks that is so. - Sitush (talk) 08:59, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

By the way, I'm not even sure we should accept that image even if it does come from Vishwas's office. He's not exactly known for respecting copyright, is he? - Sitush (talk) 09:06, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

By your words it seems you have some personal problem with Kumar Vishwas. If the pics come from his office, then there is no copyright violation. You are talking about the copyright, then you should know he has given the full credit to the person. Please don't express your personal feelings on such type of prestigious platform. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dipupandey80 (talk • contribs) 09:30, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

Nveer met the guy, never even heard him speak and, like I said above, I remain concerned about the amount of legal-related stuff in the article. creating a possible imbalance. The image has been deleted as a copyright violation - that was not my decision. - Sitush (talk) 09:33, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

Great. Then I think I can use the pic posted by him on his FB page. It seems no problem then? Right?

Secondly, does the wikipedia has problem, if we update about with the country visited by him? If no, then hope you will not revert that too. Looking for your support. Thanks.Dipupandey80 (talk) 09:36, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

I've not looked at his Facebook page but the chances are high that we cannot use an image from there. Look, the article already has a photo of him so I am not even sure why you are so bothered about this. And I've already explained the issue with the itinerary. I'm beginning to become very concerned now that you are here to promote him. - Sitush (talk) 09:39, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

The reason of using his image from FB, is that we can have updated image over here, not from 2009, 8 years old pic, right? And thanks for your out rated concern, I have the same feeling that you are here to defame him.I don't have any reason to not to update his new pic, do you have one? - Dipupandey80 (talk) 09:45, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

Read WP:COPYRIGHT. I've also nominated one of the images at Commons for deletion. The uploader shares his name and claims it is "own work", which is fairly implausible given the nature of the photo. While cameras have self-timers, I doubt that was a self-portrait. - Sitush (talk) 09:51, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

You never met the guy, never heard him then on what basis you are updating and reverting his page? - Dipupandey80 (talk) 09:47, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

On precisely that basis - I am independent of the subject. - Sitush (talk) 09:49, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

That's my concern brother. You should have some knowledge about the subject which you are editing. Okay. So lets back on pic topic. You change the pic as of your choice with the latest one. I will have not problem. Is that okay with you? - Dipupandey80 (talk) 09:52, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

I think you have a fundamental misconception of how Wikipedia is supposed to work. - Sitush (talk) 09:53, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

You mean Wikipedia is meant supposed to hide all good things about a person and highlight negative things only? CreativeEdit (talk) 10:29, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

Tell me about my concern which I raised earlier. Hope you change the pic and places visited. Keeping the updates is the policy of wikipedia. Hope you will cooperate. - Dipupandey80 (talk) 10:00, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

What concern was that? What image are you referring to now? - Sitush (talk) 10:02, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

Please Check this https://www.facebook.com/KumarVishwas/photos/a.483383168453.287051.58762883453/10155757829638454/?type=1&theater -Dipupandey80 (talk) 10:07, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. We cannot use that because of WP:COPYRIGHT. He didn't take the picture and we do not have permission from the person who did. - Sitush (talk) 10:08, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

How you can say that he didn't take the pic? How are you using that pic of 2009? Okay, do one thing, you choose the pic. My simple concern is to have updated pic of him on this article. - Dipupandey80 (talk) 10:13, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

Please check this too WP:COPYRIGHT[1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dipupandey80 (talk • contribs) 10:16, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

I've already explained why it is unlikely he took the photo. Even if he did, we don't have his permissions to use it, either. The existing photo has been accepted as valid for a long time; aside from anything else, it has EXIF data attached to it which clearly shows its origin. I'm not going hunting for a different photo - better things to do with my time. - Sitush (talk) 10:18, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

If you have better thing to do then please let me handle this. - Dipupandey80 (talk) 10:24, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

Believe me, I would if I thought you understood our policies and guidelines. But you clearly do not understand them yet. - Sitush (talk) 10:26, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

Sure, I will. But it seems you have not interested to make this page updated. Either you do the editing with updated matters or let me do. - Dipupandey80 (talk) 10:32, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

On what basis you are using this pic? - Dipupandey80 (talk) 10:33, 21 October 2017 (UTC)