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February 23
From 1898 to 2002
In a story where a 24 year old writer from 1898 ends up (for whatever fictional reason) in 2002. What would be his most likely behaviour and what would be the main aspects to take into account to show that he is indeed confused. I understand that TV, cars, and mobile phones are three of those things. This is set in London, btw. And how is he most likely to behave. (Maybe this is not the right way to ask the question, but...well...the only way I could come up with. If you need more info, just let me know). Miss Bono [hello, hello!] 14:52, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
- Did you mean 1898 (as per your question) or 1989 (as per your title)?--Phil Holmes (talk) 15:21, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
- I have corrected the header to the intended 1898 for archival purposes. μηδείς (talk) 05:59, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) Frederick Bremer was already driving his home-made car around Walthamstow in 1894, [1] so your hero would be aware of petrol motored cars, even if he hadn't seen one. Expected behaviour might well depend on social class. Alansplodge (talk) 15:28, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
- If it's 1898, one thing that would be striking is the change in the ethnic make-up of London, which was quite multi-ethnic in 2002, but not much so 100 years earlier. The city was also known for its air pollution in those days, but the air and the Thames River are much cleaner now. There have been a lot of new very modern buildings constructed downtown as well (although many of the more striking ones are more recent than 2002), which is in contrast to some other major cities (think Rome or Paris for example). --Xuxl (talk) 16:15, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
- This is a request for speculation, which we are supposed to avoid. Given that time-travel is a frequent trope in sci-fi and fantasy, maybe you could satisfy your curiousity that way? List of time travel works of fiction is a good start and there are links to external sources you might have access to. Matt Deres (talk) 16:18, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
- Oops, I meant 1898, Phil Holmes Miss Bono [hello, hello!] 17:05, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks, guys. I think that might do. Sorry, Matt Deres, I wasn't aware of that rule. Miss Bono [hello, hello!] 17:07, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
- Miss Bono, see Adam Adamant Lives! which had a similar premise. Alansplodge (talk) 17:10, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks, guys. I think that might do. Sorry, Matt Deres, I wasn't aware of that rule. Miss Bono [hello, hello!] 17:07, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
- As your hero is male, I suspect the first thing he would be shocked by would be the grossly indecent way most women were dressed (by his standards). Then the speed everything moves at, the absence of horses - and once it gets dark the astonishing level of artificial lighting. Wymspen (talk) 19:07, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
- Is the character scientifically literate? If not, many things might just be sorcery to him like mobile phones. If he is, they can be explained and he could adapt after the initial shock.
- In both cases, a trip to Old Compton Street where 2 guys might French kiss on a restaurant terrace could give him a heart attack, though. --Lgriot (talk) 20:17, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
- Oh, and the nonexistence of the British Empire would be another shock. --Lgriot (talk) 20:22, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
- Since the question might have been phrased to ask how fiction writers have described the reactions of educated Brits from the 1890's somehow jerked into "modern times," you should watch Time After Time (1979 film) in which HG Wells pursues Jack the Ripper from the 1890s to 1979. He catches on pretty quickly. I liked the part where he told a cop his name was "Sherlock Holmes" and it led to trouble. He just used the name of a fictional detective he had read a story about, never imagining that people in the distant future would remember the character. Did your character remember to bring a supply of coins he could sell to coin dealers?How well can an "undocumented" person get along in the UK? He would have trouble getting a job or welfare or medical care with no papers. He would effectively be part of the 300,000 to 500,000 illegal migrants. See Illegal immigration to the United Kingdom. With good English skills he might compete effectively for the jobs the illegal migrants work at with false or no papers. If he was fluent in some foreign language he might impersonate a refugee and try to get legal status that way. Could someone who looks Brit and talks Brit (though old-timey) give himself a knock on the head and say he had been robbed and beaten, and get papers as a John Doe with his fake amnesia? The nasty looking but not that bad lump on the head and laceration with a big dressing could be used to explain away his confusion about using mass transit, computers, phones, and credit cards. I don't know how well down and outers fare in London, but in San Francisco an undocumented person could live in a blanket under a bridge and get meals and medical care donated, as well as access to a library to catch up on things so he could pass. Edison (talk) 22:29, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
"If it's 1898, one thing that would be striking is the change in the ethnic make-up of London, which was quite multi-ethnic in 2002, but not much so 100 years earlier. "
While the ethnic make-up has changed, London did not lack diversity in the 1890s. Per our (underdeveloped) article on 19th-century London: "As the capital of a massive empire, London became a magnet for immigrants from the colonies and poorer parts of Europe. A large Irish population settled in the city during the Victorian era, with many of the newcomers refugees from the Great Famine (1845-1849). At one point, Irish immigrants made up about 20% of London's population. London also became home to a sizable Jewish community, and small communities of Chinese and South Asians settled in the city."
Several years ago I took an interest in the ethnic backgrounds of the various victims and suspects involved in the Jack the Ripper case, something that is often overlooked. Everyone knows that Mary Jane Kelly was Irish, but few note that Elizabeth Stride was a Swedish immigrant. And the main witness in her case was Israel Schwartz, a Hungarian. The suspect George Chapman was a Polish immigrant using an alias. The suspect Aaron Kosminski was also a Polish immigrant. The suspect Michael Ostrog (for whom we do not have an article) was a Russian immigrant. The suspect John Pizer (for whom we do not have an article) was another Polish immigrant. The suspect Francis Tumblety was Irish-American and was in London for business (and since he was arrested for gross indecency, probably looking for male lovers). The suspect Carl Ferdinand Feigenbaum was a German merchant seaman, and his job required him to visit several port cities. The suspect David Cohen was another Polish immigrant. The suspect Alexander Pedachenko (whose existence is disputed) was supposedly an agent of the Okhrana in London (and an ethnic Russian). The suspect Walter Sickert was a German immigrant, though he had both Danish and British ancestry. The suspect Joseph Silver was another Polish immigrant. All of them ended up in London. Dimadick (talk) 00:16, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
- The specific breakdown of ethnicities would be much different today, though. Many more Londoners today are from South Asia, Subsaharan Africa or Arab countries, the diversity of skin tone in modern London would be quite shocking to someone 100 years ago. --Jayron32 03:53, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
- Of course it's not just numbers that may shock people depending on the specifics [2] Nil Einne (talk) 04:26, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
- In 1898, many buildings were completely black, including the houses of parliment, due to the coal soot, The air was foul with soot and the smell of horse manure and urine, and the streets were grimy with the same. In 1898, there were a number of black africans and east asians who had arrived as merchant or naval sailors, so the their presence today might not shock. It would take our newcomer awhile to decode our clothing well enough to realize that today's today's racial mix is not as restricted to the lower classes. -Arch dude (talk) 23:17, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
- Although if they happen to be literate, it may not take them long to realise the heir apparent's son is engaged to a "half black" divorcee who used to be an actress. If they're not, well now that Page 3 has ended I guess they'll just have to realise that all those photos are of the Queen and other members of the royal family and not they aren't always flattering intentional so. Nil Einne (talk) 06:33, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
- Actually, it probably would take our hypothetical Time Traveller a long time to realise these things, because in the UK none of them are of much concern to anyone – I myself (a 61-y-o resident Brit) hadn't even registered the divorcee thing (we're all over Wallis Simpson by now, thanks), and the other two aren't mentioned on a daily basis. Also, Ms Markle isn't "half-black" in British terms; we don't have the US-style "one drop" attitude, and her mother isn't 'fully black' (as if would matter anyway). {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.220.212.253 (talk) 02:30, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
- Although if they happen to be literate, it may not take them long to realise the heir apparent's son is engaged to a "half black" divorcee who used to be an actress. If they're not, well now that Page 3 has ended I guess they'll just have to realise that all those photos are of the Queen and other members of the royal family and not they aren't always flattering intentional so. Nil Einne (talk) 06:33, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
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- The "time traveler" or so to speak ends up in 2002. I don't think the Harry story would do. Miss Bono [hello, hello!] 13:30, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
- In 1898, London was still one of the busiest seaports in the world, so the The working parts of the Thames would be packed with ships, and many of them would have still been sailing ships with 150' masts. If our time-traveller had a view of the river, would this be instantly noticeable? I'm not a Londoner. -Arch dude (talk) 03:53, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
- Not so much, if he was in central London, because the ships came into the London Docks to be unloaded; they were hidden behind the high brick walls. The river would have been much busier, but mainly with barges. Itsmejudith (talk) 14:48, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
- He's in Candem Town, Itsmejudith. Miss Bono [hello, hello!] 14:53, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
- That gives you lots of possibilities. The Regent's Canal would have been very busy with brightly coloured narrowboats carrying cargo. Camden Lock was a major interchange, and now is a popular street market. Itsmejudith (talk) 15:10, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
- He's in Candem Town, Itsmejudith. Miss Bono [hello, hello!] 14:53, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
- Not so much, if he was in central London, because the ships came into the London Docks to be unloaded; they were hidden behind the high brick walls. The river would have been much busier, but mainly with barges. Itsmejudith (talk) 14:48, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
- Assuming the preent day hero here was in coma for a long time (not that long as for 104 years of course!), and suffers from amnesia. He meets the owner of a bookshop, even if hidden, he might work there? I was thinking of that idea you pointed out about him being an illegal migrant. Miss Bono [hello, hello!] 19:54, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks, Medeis, btw. Miss Bono [hello, hello!] 19:54, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
- I see no mention of an airplane yet, so am mentioning it. Buddy would have to initially wonder whether it's a bird or superman. Even weeks later, the idea of flying heavy metal would probably still seem baffling to someone who hadn't seen flimsy wood take off yet. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:29, February 28, 2018 (UTC)
- Oh, please, IndelibleGunk, that's just crazy talk. They were looking for flying machines since the late 18th century. That a practicable one had been found would not be a shock. Jet enginery might have been unexpected. They were so close to prop-driven biplanes in 1898 your assertion is mere merishness. μηδείς (talk) 04:48, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
February 24
Hand gesture
What's the name of this hand gesture, palm clapping the fist? It's an invitation for sex, like shocker, but can't google it out. Is it on the list of gestures? 212.180.235.46 (talk) 16:19, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
- It's also missing from obscene gesture. I don't know if there's a name, but I suppose it's closest to Bras d'honneur, in the sense that the fist is meant to mimic an erect penis. The same gesture (well, similar) has a non-obscene version meaning, roughly, "let's get to work" or "let's get started". Matt Deres (talk) 20:44, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
Pin curls
Watching a noir movie, The Third Man, I asked my wife how a female character got her hair looking that way in 1949. She said “pin curls.” I did not find mention of pin curls in Wikipedia. Is it covered under some other name? I found some results br Googling but they were random pictures or how-tos and nothing on the history of the style, famous actresses known for them and other encyclopedic coverage. Edison (talk) 21:25, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
- Hair rollers?
Sleigh (talk) 22:29, 24 February 2018 (UTC) - (e/c) I believe it's just another term for hair roller, specifically the type that has bristles, such as the two examples on the left here, rather than some other mechanism. Or, even more specifically, like the ones here, where the bristles are very pin like. Matt Deres (talk) 22:31, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
- It's always refreshing to realise the limitations of WHAAOE. I found Encyclopedia of Hair: A Cultural History to be a starting point. [21] Carbon Caryatid (talk) 23:44, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
The Third Man Best movie ever. μηδείς (talk) 02:37, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
- Pin curls pre-date hair rollers! The basic idea is to roll the hair round a finger, then use a clip of some sort to keep the coil together until the hair dries. The "pin" was probably named from the bobby pin (hair grip in the UK) - though there are other types of clip which can be used (look for the duck-billed clip, if you can get past the platypus and the various ducks which Google will offer you first). Wymspen (talk) 14:38, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
- Here is a video on how pin curls are done. Please note these are NOT done with hair rollers, it's a different technique using clips the video calls "sectioning clips", like these, though I believe that bobby pins (as noted above) could be used as well. Wymspen is basically correct here, these are not hair rollers. --Jayron32 17:37, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
- What they are calling sectioning clips are elsewhere called duck-billed clips. Wymspen (talk) 14:46, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks for the clarification! --Jayron32 15:13, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
- What they are calling sectioning clips are elsewhere called duck-billed clips. Wymspen (talk) 14:46, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
- So much for the how-tos. Anything on "the history of the style, famous actresses known for them and other encyclopedic coverage"? Carbon Caryatid (talk) 15:57, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
February 25
Olympic Bobsleding
why do 4 man bobsleds tilt the sled on its side before the start — Preceding unsigned comment added by Browndawg28 (talk • contribs) 08:06, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
- Can you find an example? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 08:51, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
- I noticed the same thing while watching the Olympics. Just before the start, the sled rests on its starboard side. Then the competitors tilt it upright, and begin pushing it down the run until they jump in. Every team did the same thing, so it wasn't just the idiosyncrasy of one team or one sled. <edit> (I can't find a video from this year's competition, but look here for an example at 4:01.) → Michael J Ⓣ Ⓒ Ⓜ 14:38, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
- If you leave the sled sitting with the runners pressed to the ice they will tend to freeze to the surface. You will also notice that once the sled is the right way up they keep it moving back and forth to prevent that happening. So the idea is not to put the runners to the ice until you are ready, and then make sure they can't freeze in place, because even if it only took a little extra power to break them away again, that could make a difference in a race determined by tiny fractions of a second. Wymspen (talk) 15:04, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
- I have been working my way through this wonderful set of films from the Criterion Collection. Early bobsleds as seen in the top row here were incredibly rickety and dangerous. It is also interesting to note, in the early winter games, all of the events were held outdoors. Seeing Sonja Henie skate with the Alps in the background is quite extraordinary. MarnetteD|Talk 16:14, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
- As I recall, figure skating was outdoors until at least the early 60s (1960 Olympics indoors but 1961 US championships outdoors), and speed skating was outdoors until at least 1980. The great Eric Heiden won gold outside in the 1980 Olympics. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 17:59, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
- 1992 Olympic speedskating was outside. 1984 was outside but Sarajevo so if that was boycotted like Moscow no wonder you don't remember. Otherwise it's been inside ever since. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 22:10, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
- Neither the 1980 nor 1984 winter games were boycotted. It was only the summer games. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:48, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
- 1992 Olympic speedskating was outside. 1984 was outside but Sarajevo so if that was boycotted like Moscow no wonder you don't remember. Otherwise it's been inside ever since. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 22:10, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
- As I recall, figure skating was outdoors until at least the early 60s (1960 Olympics indoors but 1961 US championships outdoors), and speed skating was outdoors until at least 1980. The great Eric Heiden won gold outside in the 1980 Olympics. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 17:59, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
- I have been working my way through this wonderful set of films from the Criterion Collection. Early bobsleds as seen in the top row here were incredibly rickety and dangerous. It is also interesting to note, in the early winter games, all of the events were held outdoors. Seeing Sonja Henie skate with the Alps in the background is quite extraordinary. MarnetteD|Talk 16:14, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
- If you leave the sled sitting with the runners pressed to the ice they will tend to freeze to the surface. You will also notice that once the sled is the right way up they keep it moving back and forth to prevent that happening. So the idea is not to put the runners to the ice until you are ready, and then make sure they can't freeze in place, because even if it only took a little extra power to break them away again, that could make a difference in a race determined by tiny fractions of a second. Wymspen (talk) 15:04, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
- Its simply to keep the skates in perfect condition. Since they have a hollow shape with very sharp edges and a very high surface finish, which is of course essential especially in competitions where a 1/100 second may decide if its going to be the gold or "just" the silver medal, that will wear off surprisingly fast, no matter they are made of high alloy steel. You probably have seen the same from ice skaters, who put on plastic protection rails on their skates immediately when they leave the ice. --Kharon (talk) 21:23, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
- All ice skates seem to have this shape, why? Is it just the best shape to make a modern steel skate that's thick enough to be strong and not chip? Is it to make being cut by the skate less severe without increasing friction? Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 22:34, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
- I googled the subject, and this[22] is the first item that came up. It has a whole bunch of information about skate blades. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 10:45, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
- All ice skates seem to have this shape, why? Is it just the best shape to make a modern steel skate that's thick enough to be strong and not chip? Is it to make being cut by the skate less severe without increasing friction? Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 22:34, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
February 26
Police dogs in South Australia
Who was the first person (or persons) to acquire/import dogs for police work in South Australia?
I realise this is a very specific question, but I'm hoping someone can at least point me in the right direction for an answer. Thanks! LeoP09 (talk) 20:00, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
- Read through first australian canine unit and see what you get. I'd think they may have been first used militarily. I'd also look for the person credited for creating the first such unit, since the dog breeder/importer may be entirely unknown. μηδείς (talk) 03:26, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
- I found the first police dog in New South Wales which was 1932, Sydney for Kids - Justice and Police Museum (p. 4), so likely to have been around that time. Rajah (dog) was the first police dog in New Zealand, also in the 1930s. Alansplodge (talk) 12:03, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
- However, South Australian Year Book No. 17: 1982 says: "Early in 1974, a Dog Squad of six handlers and six dogs became operational; it now comprises twelve handlers and dogs" (p. 173). Alansplodge (talk) 12:31, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
February 27
1920's question
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February 28
AGS has no ammo?
I have been editing Zumwalt-class destroyer and related articles. The gun used on these ships is the Advanced Gun System (AGS). According to the refrences I can find, AGS can only use ammunition designed specifically for it, and the only such ammunition is the Long Range Land Attack Projectile (LRLAP). The LRLAP procurement was cancelled and there are no plans to replace it. By implication, the guns on these ships and their entire supporting infrastructure of turrets, magazines, cooling systems, etc. are totally useless and the Zumwalts" cannot fire any rounds, so they are reduced to being just missile ships.
Is this correct or am I missing something? If it is correct, these articles are in need of more extensive editing, as their current tone makes it sound like this weapons system is useful and important even after my modest edits. -Arch dude (talk) 19:12, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
- From my reading of the Advanced Gun System article, the entire system is "dead in the water", that is there is no plans to continue the funding or research into it; it's basically done. That's because (again from my reading) its development was closely tied to the development of the Zumwalt-class destroyer; since only three of those will ever be built, have a new novel gun system built and developed for 3 small ships was untennable from a financial standpoint. The Zumwalt-class does have other guns, however. The article you cite, under the section titled "Secondary guns" discusses additional guns installed on the ship. --Jayron32 19:43, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
- Its no problem to exchange, replace, update or add parts of big military vessels. In fact this is done all the time. Further your implication of uselessness is wrong because instead of sharp ammunition training "ammunition" can and will be used to train every unit involved. Its unclear why such advanced vessels still need "artillery" btw. Probably only still ideal for warning shots. --Kharon (talk) 23:35, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
- With respect: it is a problem. There is no training ammo for these guns. The only ammo is however much is left of the 150 total rounds of LRLAP produced for initial testing, and there is no indication that any of these rounds are aboard the three ships. If they are, then the six AGSs have less than rounds apiece, and there will be no more. If the LRLAP program is re-activated, new rounds will cost at least $800,000 per individual round. Simply modifying the six guns for any other type of ammunition will cost $250 million dollars. Apparently, the Navy agrees with you: there is no longer a need for "large" (188 mm) naval artillery, so the rounds will not be procured and the guns will never be fired. Smaller artillery is used on all other Navy ships and can indeed be used for warning shots, but the Zumwalts have only 2 much smaller (30 mm) Bushmasters. When the Zumwalt class ended with only 3 ships, the Navy started building new ships of the older Arleigh Burke-class.-Arch dude (talk) 04:17, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
- Goodness. That make's the Royal navy's plan to launch a new aircraft carrier several years before they would have any aircraft that could fly from it seem reasonable. Iapetus (talk) 10:04, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
- Not as bad as folks make out, a few weeks after commissioning she's already flying helicopters on a trials basis and is working towards "the first embarkation of fixed wing aircraft in the Autumn"; see First fixed wing pilots join HMS Queen Elizabeth (23 Feb 2018). Alansplodge (talk) 12:40, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
- The parallels are interesting. In both cases, major design tradeoffs were made to support a system that was ultimately abandoned, leaving the ship to fulfil only secondary roles that are better served by much less complex and costly designs. The The new british carrier abandoned an EMALS type system, and the Zumwalts abandoned the AGS. -Arch dude (talk) 19:51, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
- Well, AGS is not quite "dead in the water"; Raytheon Excalibur Round Set to Replace LRLAP on Zumwalts (Jan 2017), which still seems to be ongoing according to US Navy’s Most Advanced Destroyers to Get New Primary Anti-Ship Mission: The Zumwalt-class will be refocused from land attack to surface strike (Dec 2017). Our article M982 Excalibur describes the munition, but doesn't mention the Zumwalt-class. Alansplodge (talk) 11:18, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
- I would say the complete Zumwalt-class looks dead in the water, given the 4 billion $ pricetag on a single unite. The similar brand new "multirole", "guided missile with nuclear option", russian build Admiral Gorshkov-class frigates come at just 260 million $ per unit. The Zumwalt class is just 180m long and costs as much as the Nimitz-class aircraft carriers. TF!? --Kharon (talk) 19:43, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
- That reference from Jan 2017 contains a speculation from one source and a refutation from the Navy. A later reference (Feb 2018) says "no plans" Neither is really a good reference, but the are the best we have so far. -Arch dude (talk) 19:51, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
- Goodness. That make's the Royal navy's plan to launch a new aircraft carrier several years before they would have any aircraft that could fly from it seem reasonable. Iapetus (talk) 10:04, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
- With respect: it is a problem. There is no training ammo for these guns. The only ammo is however much is left of the 150 total rounds of LRLAP produced for initial testing, and there is no indication that any of these rounds are aboard the three ships. If they are, then the six AGSs have less than rounds apiece, and there will be no more. If the LRLAP program is re-activated, new rounds will cost at least $800,000 per individual round. Simply modifying the six guns for any other type of ammunition will cost $250 million dollars. Apparently, the Navy agrees with you: there is no longer a need for "large" (188 mm) naval artillery, so the rounds will not be procured and the guns will never be fired. Smaller artillery is used on all other Navy ships and can indeed be used for warning shots, but the Zumwalts have only 2 much smaller (30 mm) Bushmasters. When the Zumwalt class ended with only 3 ships, the Navy started building new ships of the older Arleigh Burke-class.-Arch dude (talk) 04:17, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
- Its no problem to exchange, replace, update or add parts of big military vessels. In fact this is done all the time. Further your implication of uselessness is wrong because instead of sharp ammunition training "ammunition" can and will be used to train every unit involved. Its unclear why such advanced vessels still need "artillery" btw. Probably only still ideal for warning shots. --Kharon (talk) 23:35, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
March 1
Why are teachers in the UK so well paid?
I am a sixth form teacher, and am a bit puzzled as to why salaries are so high.
Whilst I agree that the work loads can be high, my bemusement is thus.
- First, holidays are long: this is a massive asset.
- Second, and perhaps most germanely, the academic demands of the job are quite low, and I fail to see why it constitutes "skilled" work. As such, it is not obvious to me why teachers should expect to earn such high salaries.
My contender explanations are as follow.
- That I am exaggerating the importance of academic skills in determining salaries of jobs. Maybe the soft skills of the job are valuable and less-than-ubiquitous.
- That I am exaggerating the academic demands of similarly/higher paid jobs.
But, is there something that I am missing?
--Leon (talk) 13:31, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
- You're griping that you're getting paid too much? Come to America for a while. Your comments say nothing about your students. Do you find it easy to deal with them all day, every day? If so, you should write a book on how to do that. If not, consider any extra to be like "combat pay". ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 13:44, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
- This comparison (from 2015) does not suggest that teachers in the UK are particularly well paid in a global context. Mikenorton (talk) 14:05, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
- This compares graduate starting salaries by profession and also doesn't suggest that teachers are doing that well. Mikenorton (talk) 15:37, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
- "the academic demands of the job are quite low, and I fail to see why it constitutes "skilled" work", maybe that's because you're doing it wrong. --Jayron32 14:28, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
- I contend that I am not doing it wrong! Perhaps I should explain more.
- I teach A-level Maths and Physics, and prepare students for STEP. Whilst these are perceived as "hard" courses, the level of difficulty is not graduate level: there are but a handful of graduate-level topics (Laurent series being the most obvious) that I have ever discussed in any detail to my students. As such, I don't see why one needs graduate-level education to teach these topics.--Leon (talk) 15:48, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
- There are many jobs where you will find that most of your graduate skills are not used. The advantage of having a degree in the subject you are teaching is that you are less likely to be caught out by tricky questions. (Of course, it is possible that your employers have made an error in calculating your salary, but it's maybe better not to ask about that.) Dbfirs 16:00, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
- I also think you're confusing the rigors of the academic discipline from the rigors of pedagogy. Designing, implementing, and assessing lessons is more complex than just telling people facts that you know, and that's what I meant by "maybe you're doing it wrong". I suppose you could take a pay check for just walking into a classroom and talking about your subject for few hours each day (many teachers do this), but there's a lot more to good teaching that makes the art of pedagogy itself acacemically demanding and is a skill unto itself. --Jayron32 16:03, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
- Supply and demand comes into the equation. Bricklayers earn a huge amount (not saying it's not skilled work) because there's a construction boom and they are in short supply. 92.19.174.150 (talk) 17:08, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
- Agreed: perhaps More teachers leaving profession than joining for second year running (June 2017) has some bearing on the matter. Alansplodge (talk) 20:24, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
- Supply and demand comes into the equation. Bricklayers earn a huge amount (not saying it's not skilled work) because there's a construction boom and they are in short supply. 92.19.174.150 (talk) 17:08, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
- "High" is a relative term. Tell us what you're comparing UK teachers' salaries with. Other occupations in the UK? Teachers' salaries in other countries? -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 18:20, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
crematoriums isle of sheppey
Hi all, I am a support worker with Grace Eyre in Sussex. My current task is to locate the ashes of the daughter of a young lady whom I work with. I cannot find the names or the phone numbers for the local crematoriums. Are you able to help? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.66.129.148 (talk) 15:42, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
- Are you looking for ALL crematoriums in Sussex? Do you want to narrow it down to, say, Brighton? Then, you would have The Downs and Woodvale. 209.149.113.5 (talk) 15:58, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
- I think he's look for a list of crematoria on the Isle of Sheppey, which is in Kent. 81.187.116.230 (talk) 16:31, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
- https://www.swale.gov.uk/cemeteries/ is the local government website for the area, but the ashes could be anywhere there is no requirement to bury or scatter ashes at the place of cremation they can be taken away and put anywhere. I would suggest you probably need to find out the funeral director who dealt with the cremation who may have an idea what happened. MilborneOne (talk) 16:39, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
- The most likely crematorium for the Isle of Sheppey is the Garden of England Crematorium, in Sittingbourne [23] (there isn't one on the Isle of Sheppey itself). If you know the date of death and/or the date of the funeral they should be able to say whether the ashes were returned to the family or the undertakers, held at the crematorium, or scattered on site (most have a garden specifically for such purposes). If that isn't the right one, putting Kent + crematorium into Google will give you a complete list of every one in the county. Similarly, putting Undertakers + isle of Sheppey into Google gives you a list of the four firms of undertakers on the Isle - though there is no guarantee that one of them would have been used. Wymspen (talk) 23:15, 1 March 2018 (UTC)