Talk:Boylover

A little more to the article. And the two have been made into one.

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I know that this has been discussed before. However I still vote for integration with the article on pedophilia. As with most terms there is no one and only definition of pedophilia. Just as heterosexuality and homosexuality it is not only about making love, but also falling in love. It depends on the individual pedophile, whether he considers sex important to him and morally acceptable. Defining girllovers and boylovers as "non-sadistic" is not very specific either. I believe that most situational offenders are not sadistic, even if the sex is not fully consensual. --Moon light shadow 09:30, 9 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Pedophilia seems something apart from boylover / girllover. I think the reason this article is so small is that no one has taken the time to build it up because of the nature of the topic.

Anyone feeling adventerous and want to goto the Nambla website to research their arguements as to why man boy love should be accepted? :)--ShaunMacPherson 05:22, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC)

This discussion should go to child sexual abuse section "Motivation for outlawing sex with children", because not all offenders are pedophiles. What would you consider the difference between Pedophilia and girl/boy love? I think it is not acceptable to declare girl and boy lovers as good guys by definition. Most pedophiles actually love children and do not want to harm them and in many cases do not perform sexual acts with children at all. However just like with heterosexuality and homosexuality there are a few rapists and sadists, although most cases of child sexual abuse by force (and also overall) are committed by situational offenders, who consider children acceptable victims rather than prefering them. The problem is that all these acts are blamed to pedophilia in the public perception and consensual acts are considered impossible. -- Moon light shadow 09:34, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC)

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Some researchers have considered girllovers attracted to children not real pedophiles, because often they are not as fixated on their deviant sexuality as boylovers, and more often curable. Also boylovers more frequently relapse after treatment. Boylovers statistically prefer children a little older.

I took this section out for discussion here. This is quite a claim, I'd want the names of the major proponents of these ideas, and the counter arguements (science is very rarely one sided) as to this claim that homosexual pedophilia is more 'deviant' then heterosexual pedophilia. As well this term of 'curable' is more then a little vague, and suggests bias since I'd surmise that boy and girl lovers do not think they are in need of curing. --ShaunMacPherson 05:22, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC)

"Also boylovers more frequently relapse after treatment." This is already said in more detail in Pedophilia. -- Moon light shadow 09:34, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I cannot seem to find the relevant information in pedophilia indicating that homosexual pedophiles are any less reponsive to treatment than heterosexual pedophiles. Give me one more hint?

Sorry, I was not quite right. It actually does not give more details, when comparing girl lovers to boy lovers, but only says the same. At the beginning of section "Underage sex": "The probability is much higher for boylovers compared to girllovers." However it includes the percentage of delinquent pedophiles who relapse. --Moon light shadow 15:10, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC)

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Page Name: I think that this page needs to be either re-named "Boylovers and Girllovers" or that we need to stop the Girllover redirect and put real content there. Alternatively, we could use the generic term "Childlovers" as the page title and redirect both the "Girllover" and "Boylover" pages to it.

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This article has improved drastically since I commented on it last. Very good work to all involved! --ShaunMacPherson 14:58, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)

boylover, pedophile, child molester

These two paragraphs are flawed. However I can not fix easily them.

The term boylover is taken as a contrast with the terms pedophile or child molester. Many boylovers consider pedophile to be the more general term; that is, all boylovers are pedophiles, but not all pedophiles are boylovers. This is because pedophile would also include girllovers and child molesters, whereas boylovers differentiate themselves from the former and distance themselves from the latter.

A boylover is not a child molester. To assume that all boylovers are child molesters is equally fallacious as to assume that all heterosexuals are rapists. The fact that one expresses a sexual preference does not mean that that person is willing to break the law or harm others merely to achieve sexual gratification. Boylovers condemn child molesters and rapists of children as vehemently as any other sector of the population.

They try to make two many distinctions at once (boylover <-> girllover, pedophiles and child abusers overlap). The term child molester is not used in the common way, but to refer only to those persons, who have sexual contacts to children in a way, that child lovers consider unacceptable. This should be made clear in the article. --Moon light shadow 19:30, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I have created a new page, Childlover that encompasses both boylovers and girllovers and redirected the boylover page to it. This is more accurate, rather than talking about girllove-specific issues on a boylove page. Zanthalon