Talk:Child pornography

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Japan finally bans CP

Japan banned child porn please fix that link

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/2014/06/18/14/36/japan-finally-bans-child-porn-possession#JOMvcBptstoEcjd3.99

--2602:30A:2C93:83A0:4CEA:1F6E:A01F:D1A0 (talk) 01:01, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

World map of child pornography laws

This map was removed on the grounds that it was out-of-date. I was disappointed, as I rather like such maps. A less drastic remedy would have been to add the date it was produced, so that readers could see how up-to-date or otherwise it was. A warning could also have been added. It’s like the census data in some articles: they’re only as up-to-date as the date of the census, and that is understood.

And then I looked at the history of that map. It was only added in September 2012, so it’s not that old, and it has been updated a couple of times since then, including as recently as 6 June.TheTruth-2009 (talk) 12:57, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Remarkably OLD data in here, plus no discussion of the value of the industry

For example: 'The NCMEC estimated in 2003 that 20% of all pornography traded over the Internet was child pornography, and that since 1997 the number of child pornography images available on the Internet had increased by 1500%.'

Wow... the internet has suddenly been able to provide this, therefore it's exploded.

What's the baseline? What's happened since?

And, as I say in the title, there's no attempt to scale the problem. Lots of extraordinary claims are made for the size of the industry - $3bn for the Phillipines alone, $20bn world wide, but actually the basis for these is very weak. Ender's Shadow Snr (talk) 09:26, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

WP:SOFIXIT. You can edit it and provide up to date stats as well as reliable sources describing the current region and status of child pornography, how well it's grown, society moods towards it, etc. Tutelary (talk) 16:53, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Fair answer - I did clean the article up a bit by replacing 'recent' with dates of items. I guess I'm hoping that someone with the enthusiasm to do a rework will have a go at the article - at the moment it's a lot of anecdotes. And I probably came across as too negative; there's a lot of sourcing here, which is a good start. Ender's Shadow Snr (talk) 00:39, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

The edits you made removing "recent," as seen here and here, were good edits per WP:Dated. As for sourcing, I hope that any updating of sources/content is based on WP:Reliable scholarly sources, as found on Google Books or Google Scholar, as opposed to primarily news sources. News sources can be good, but they often misreport or mislead matters (far more so than scholarly sources), and scholarly sources are usually better. Also keep in mind that some of the matters in the article, such as the global production of child pornography, is not something that is easily accessed and is likely to be based on older studies because no newer studies are available or the newer studies were not as widely reported on and it may be WP:Undue weight to mention them. Flyer22 (talk) 00:55, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

What is the legal basis of this being criminal?

Firstly, if you can have sex with children in all 50 US states....why is a pic of it a horrible crime and make the child a victim? Secondly, how is anything that looks like someone having sex is a child, even if an adult or DRAWING, STILL child porn? My wife looks 100% like a child. So if I have a pic of her nude, it's child porn!? WTF? Is a picture of a pizza "child porn" in the USA?184.155.130.147 (talk) 19:05, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

I was very close to reverting your post, per the WP:Child protect policy. And stop playing coy; you know very well that the "sex with children in all 50 US states" matter you are referring to are minors who are post-pubescent or are very close to being post-pubescent. Sex with biological children, as in prepubescents, is not allowed in any of the 50 states. Age of consent matters are complicated, and you know it. And if your "wife looks 100% like a child," as in a prepubescent child and not a teenager, she is a child. Flyer22 (talk) 19:16, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

And since you apparently didn't get the memo the first time I reverted you months ago (with a followup note), I'm telling you now: Stop posting your "sex with children is not evil" and other pro-child sexual abuse material to this talk page. If you do not, I will have your IP range blocked. Flyer22 (talk) 19:42, 7 August 2014 (UTC)