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:I need to amplify what Nil Einne said. You, as a user, have been blocked for making legal threats; it's not just this account that's blocked. Until those threads are withdrawn, you ''as a person'' are blocked. You may not just create a new account; that account would also be subject to the same block. —'''[[User:C.Fred|C.Fred]]''' ([[User_talk:C.Fred|talk]]) 20:09, 16 August 2018 (UTC) |
:I need to amplify what Nil Einne said. You, as a user, have been blocked for making legal threats; it's not just this account that's blocked. Until those threads are withdrawn, you ''as a person'' are blocked. You may not just create a new account; that account would also be subject to the same block. —'''[[User:C.Fred|C.Fred]]''' ([[User_talk:C.Fred|talk]]) 20:09, 16 August 2018 (UTC) |
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No "legal threats were made. I did make it a point to state that I would report the abusive behavior against me and my account to administration. I can't go back and delete something that does not exist! This has been a HORRIBLE experience since I've begun all due to bullies who are savvy in using this program. [[User:Sjacksonn01|James Dobson]] ([[User talk:Sjacksonn01#top|talk]]) 22:00, 16 August 2018 (UTC) |
No "legal threats were made. I did make it a point to state that I would report the abusive behavior against me and my account to administration. I can't go back and delete something that does not exist! This has been a HORRIBLE experience since I've begun all due to bullies who are savvy in using this program. [[User:Sjacksonn01|James Dobson]] ([[User talk:Sjacksonn01#top|talk]]) 22:00, 16 August 2018 (UTC) |
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:Let me quote some statements you made: |
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:*"You and all the parties involved have already been formally reported to Wikipedia's counsel and administration as they will take over from here. You should be very careful as to whose articles you bias-ly delete, you could have caused Wikipedia a world of legal trouble..." [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sjacksonn01&diff=prev&oldid=855059276] |
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:*"The harassment that I have endured while on this program has led me to draft a press release and disseminate to the media as these users have continued to attack my hard work in bringing this notable gentleman to Wikipedia's platform." [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sjacksonn01&diff=prev&oldid=854976788] |
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:And now let me quote [[WP:No legal threats]]: "A legal threat, in this context, is a threat to engage in an ''external'' (real life) legal or other governmental process that would target other editors." By mentioning WMF counsel and "a world of legal trouble", your first statement was clearly interpreted as to have a chilling effect on discussion: to try to get other editors to cease further actions based on a possible consequence. Likewise, involving the media also involves an outside party. This isn't truly a legal threat, but it still has the same chilling effect. |
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:So, to get your account unblocked in the light of those statements, you'd need to make some declarations: |
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:#That you are not now pursuing legal action against Wikipedia, WMF, or any of its editors; |
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:#That you are not in contact with WMF legal counsel or having your legal counsel contact WMF's counsel to seek an off-Wikipedia remedy for any on-Wikipedia conduct; and |
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:#Either that you have not made any statement to the press about conduct on Wikipedia or that you have withdrawn such statement. |
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:Making those three statements would, in my opinion, satisfy the requirement that there be no outstanding legal threats and allow an unblock to proceed. —'''[[User:C.Fred|C.Fred]]''' ([[User_talk:C.Fred|talk]]) 22:39, 16 August 2018 (UTC) |
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Please stop moving the draft
Please stop moving the draft back to mainspace. That was the result of the deletion discussion. If you continue, the article will be nominated for deletion again, and this time it will probably be deleted. — MShabazz Talk/Stalk 15:24, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
Please stop moving this article back to draft as this is a NEW article and has NO grounds for deletion. All potential previous concerns have been edited and addressed by multiple users. This article is now protected per Wikipedia redirect protection WP:REDIRECTPROTECTION / WP:RPROTECTION 1.There is no reason for it to be edited 2.It is an obvious vandalism target 3.It redirects and/or refers to a very controversial topic 4.Any combination of the above. If you continue, you will be reported to an administrator for excessive abuse and vandalism. WP:RAA James Dobson (talk) 15:51, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
- You don't have the ability to protect any article as you are not an administrator. I have moved it back to the draft. I have also move protected the draft so you can't move it again and salted the article name so it cant be recreated. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 16:06, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
- In response to your email. First thing is that your account is not blocked. As to your first amendment rights they don't apply here as Wikipedia is a private web site. See Wikipedia:Free speech. By the way nobody is trying to discredit your work or your sources. Life isn't fair, never has been and never will, get over it. I'm not trying to "sensor" (as you put it) anything. I suggest that you stop throwing around words like "legal" and "unlawful" as some editors may see that as a legal threat. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 16:57, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
In fact you are trying to sensor as you have no grounds or reason to have deleted this article. This is political bias. You and all the parties involved have already been formally reported to Wikipedia's counsel and administration as they will take over from here. You should be very careful as to whose articles you bias-ly delete, you could have caused Wikipedia a world of legal trouble and that would not be kosher considering you like to play God through this platform. Good day.James Dobson (talk) 17:09, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
- The word is censor not sensor. Given that I have no idea of the persons political stance, nor do I live in the US, I'm not sure how it is political bias. Anyway report away. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 17:51, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for admitting that you DO NOT live in the United States, which further validates your claim that you DO NOT know who Chairman Jackson is, which further stipulates that you DO NOT have the right to block an article about someone who you admittingly have never heard of because you don't live in the United States. I want you to keep talking, as the administrators of Wikimedia / Wikipedia are reviewing my entire account as we speak and will see this antagonistic behavior! James Dobson (talk) 17:54, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding your comments. The thread is Is this a legal threat. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 18:24, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
Username
Hi, you have stated that are you are not Sean P. Jackson [1]. In that case, can I suggest you ask for a username rename? Given your editing of the article and your username, plenty of people are likely to assume you are. Note that your signature will not be seen when someone is simply checking page histories for example. See also WP:REALNAME. Take a read of WP:UNC if you want to rename your account. Note that although some of the help pages may suggest you simply create a new account, this is not an acceptable course of action as long as this account is blocked. You will need to successfully apply for an unblock of this account first. Nil Einne (talk) 19:43, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
How do you apply for an unblock? I have applied for a username change however it was not granted because of the account being blocked. James Dobson (talk) 22:00, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
- I need to amplify what Nil Einne said. You, as a user, have been blocked for making legal threats; it's not just this account that's blocked. Until those threads are withdrawn, you as a person are blocked. You may not just create a new account; that account would also be subject to the same block. —C.Fred (talk) 20:09, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
No "legal threats were made. I did make it a point to state that I would report the abusive behavior against me and my account to administration. I can't go back and delete something that does not exist! This has been a HORRIBLE experience since I've begun all due to bullies who are savvy in using this program. James Dobson (talk) 22:00, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
- Let me quote some statements you made:
- "You and all the parties involved have already been formally reported to Wikipedia's counsel and administration as they will take over from here. You should be very careful as to whose articles you bias-ly delete, you could have caused Wikipedia a world of legal trouble..." [2]
- "The harassment that I have endured while on this program has led me to draft a press release and disseminate to the media as these users have continued to attack my hard work in bringing this notable gentleman to Wikipedia's platform." [3]
- And now let me quote WP:No legal threats: "A legal threat, in this context, is a threat to engage in an external (real life) legal or other governmental process that would target other editors." By mentioning WMF counsel and "a world of legal trouble", your first statement was clearly interpreted as to have a chilling effect on discussion: to try to get other editors to cease further actions based on a possible consequence. Likewise, involving the media also involves an outside party. This isn't truly a legal threat, but it still has the same chilling effect.
- So, to get your account unblocked in the light of those statements, you'd need to make some declarations:
- That you are not now pursuing legal action against Wikipedia, WMF, or any of its editors;
- That you are not in contact with WMF legal counsel or having your legal counsel contact WMF's counsel to seek an off-Wikipedia remedy for any on-Wikipedia conduct; and
- Either that you have not made any statement to the press about conduct on Wikipedia or that you have withdrawn such statement.
- Making those three statements would, in my opinion, satisfy the requirement that there be no outstanding legal threats and allow an unblock to proceed. —C.Fred (talk) 22:39, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
