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Page is a [[WP:POVFORK]] of existing articles including [[Israeli-occupied territories]], [[West Bank]], [[Israeli settlement]], [[Status of territories occupied by Israel in 1967]], [[Area C (West Bank)]], [[Palestinian territories]], [[Judea and Samaria area]], [[Israeli Military Governorate]], [[Israeli Civil Administration]], [[West Bank Areas in the Oslo II Accord]] and others. It was created 4 months ago in violation of [[WP:PROPAGANDA]] by two editors who strongly support Palestinian "resistance," [[User:Nableezy]] and [[User:Nishidani]], one of whom [[WP:OWN]]S the page [https://xtools.wmflabs.org/articleinfo/en.wikipedia.org/Israeli_occupation_of_the_West_Bank]. The perspective of the page creators is relevant because the article was immediately tagged for POV [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Israeli_occupation_of_the_West_Bank&diff=871129382&oldid=870960377] by [[User:Graeme Bartlett]]. It has been the subject of constant, interminable, repetitive, unresolvable POV discussions on talk page ever since. A minor point is that the page when created was 162kb, which creator knew to be excessive [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Israeli_occupation_of_the_West_Bank&diff=870942951&oldid=870939688]. The excessive length problem has been ongoing, a fact that bears out the reasons for our longstanding practice of covering aspects of this topic in separate pages. Diligent, experienced editors have established on talk that the POV problems with this page cannot be resolved, but from the moment it was written it has been clear that there was no need for this [[WP:POVFORK]].[[User:E.M.Gregory|E.M.Gregory]] ([[User talk:E.M.Gregory|talk]]) 15:30, 5 February 2019 (UTC) |
Page is a [[WP:POVFORK]] of existing articles including [[Israeli-occupied territories]], [[West Bank]], [[Israeli settlement]], [[Status of territories occupied by Israel in 1967]], [[Area C (West Bank)]], [[Palestinian territories]], [[Judea and Samaria area]], [[Israeli Military Governorate]], [[Israeli Civil Administration]], [[West Bank Areas in the Oslo II Accord]] and others. It was created 4 months ago in violation of [[WP:PROPAGANDA]] by two editors who strongly support Palestinian "resistance," [[User:Nableezy]] and [[User:Nishidani]], one of whom [[WP:OWN]]S the page [https://xtools.wmflabs.org/articleinfo/en.wikipedia.org/Israeli_occupation_of_the_West_Bank]. The perspective of the page creators is relevant because the article was immediately tagged for POV [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Israeli_occupation_of_the_West_Bank&diff=871129382&oldid=870960377] by [[User:Graeme Bartlett]]. It has been the subject of constant, interminable, repetitive, unresolvable POV discussions on talk page ever since. A minor point is that the page when created was 162kb, which creator knew to be excessive [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Israeli_occupation_of_the_West_Bank&diff=870942951&oldid=870939688]. The excessive length problem has been ongoing, a fact that bears out the reasons for our longstanding practice of covering aspects of this topic in separate pages. Diligent, experienced editors have established on talk that the POV problems with this page cannot be resolved, but from the moment it was written it has been clear that there was no need for this [[WP:POVFORK]].[[User:E.M.Gregory|E.M.Gregory]] ([[User talk:E.M.Gregory|talk]]) 15:30, 5 February 2019 (UTC) |
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*'''Keep''' - and obviously so. You can't have a POVFORK from multiple pages, and beyond that, this article is currently at 120 kB of readable prose. It cant be merged in to its parent article (which is [[West Bank]]). The personal attacks in the nomination notwithstanding, this is an obviously notable topic, with sources very specifically treating this as its own topic. The idea that because it deals with a topic that the nominator finds uncomfortable means it is propaganda is kind of funny but not at all important. One of the more obvious keeps in this history of AFD. An obviously notable topic, one which currently has 295 reliable sources cited dealing explicitly with this topic. The most basic [[WP:BEFORE]] search, if that were even necessary given the number of sources already cited, [https://www.google.com/search?q=israeli+occupation+%22west+bank%22&rlz=1C1CHMO_enUS561US561&source=lnms&tbm=bks&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiDuLS6k6XgAhUDuRoKHajFCZkQ_AUIFCgB&biw=1920&bih=938 would disabuse somebody of the notion this is not its own topic]. Some users dont want the Israeli occupation covered. That is a position that is fine for an individual to hold. It is however not one that is relevant to the goal of building an encyclopedia. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User talk:Nableezy|<font color="#C11B17">nableezy</font>]]''' - 17:43, 5 February 2019 (UTC)</small> |
*'''Keep''' - and obviously so. You can't have a POVFORK from multiple pages, and beyond that, this article is currently at 120 kB of readable prose. It cant be merged in to its parent article (which is [[West Bank]]). The personal attacks in the nomination notwithstanding, this is an obviously notable topic, with sources very specifically treating this as its own topic. The idea that because it deals with a topic that the nominator finds uncomfortable means it is propaganda is kind of funny but not at all important. One of the more obvious keeps in this history of AFD. An obviously notable topic, one which currently has 295 reliable sources cited dealing explicitly with this topic. The most basic [[WP:BEFORE]] search, if that were even necessary given the number of sources already cited, [https://www.google.com/search?q=israeli+occupation+%22west+bank%22&rlz=1C1CHMO_enUS561US561&source=lnms&tbm=bks&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiDuLS6k6XgAhUDuRoKHajFCZkQ_AUIFCgB&biw=1920&bih=938 would disabuse somebody of the notion this is not its own topic]. Some users dont want the Israeli occupation covered. That is a position that is fine for an individual to hold. It is however not one that is relevant to the goal of building an encyclopedia. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User talk:Nableezy|<font color="#C11B17">nableezy</font>]]''' - 17:43, 5 February 2019 (UTC)</small> |
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*'''Delete''' or '''Userfy '''. This article is a rather obvious NOT fail. Notably - [[WP:NOTESSAY]] - the article is written in essay form as an anti-occupation treatise. Furthermore, as the nominator points out, it is a [[WP:POVFORK]] of several articles that pre-exist this article and cover the Israeli military administration in the West Bank (or in all of the occupied Palestinian territories) and which are in a reasonable [[WP:NPOV]] state. Creating a new article on a particular subset intersection (occupation & West Bank) of the conflict is not an excuse to place an article that diverges from NPOV in a severe fashion - a POVFORK. [[User:Icewhiz|Icewhiz]] ([[User talk:Icewhiz|talk]]) 17:52, 5 February 2019 (UTC) |
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Page is a WP:POVFORK of existing articles including Israeli-occupied territories, West Bank, Israeli settlement, Status of territories occupied by Israel in 1967, Area C (West Bank), Palestinian territories, Judea and Samaria area, Israeli Military Governorate, Israeli Civil Administration, West Bank Areas in the Oslo II Accord and others. It was created 4 months ago in violation of WP:PROPAGANDA by two editors who strongly support Palestinian "resistance," User:Nableezy and User:Nishidani, one of whom WP:OWNS the page [1]. The perspective of the page creators is relevant because the article was immediately tagged for POV [2] by User:Graeme Bartlett. It has been the subject of constant, interminable, repetitive, unresolvable POV discussions on talk page ever since. A minor point is that the page when created was 162kb, which creator knew to be excessive [3]. The excessive length problem has been ongoing, a fact that bears out the reasons for our longstanding practice of covering aspects of this topic in separate pages. Diligent, experienced editors have established on talk that the POV problems with this page cannot be resolved, but from the moment it was written it has been clear that there was no need for this WP:POVFORK.E.M.Gregory (talk) 15:30, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
- Keep - and obviously so. You can't have a POVFORK from multiple pages, and beyond that, this article is currently at 120 kB of readable prose. It cant be merged in to its parent article (which is West Bank). The personal attacks in the nomination notwithstanding, this is an obviously notable topic, with sources very specifically treating this as its own topic. The idea that because it deals with a topic that the nominator finds uncomfortable means it is propaganda is kind of funny but not at all important. One of the more obvious keeps in this history of AFD. An obviously notable topic, one which currently has 295 reliable sources cited dealing explicitly with this topic. The most basic WP:BEFORE search, if that were even necessary given the number of sources already cited, would disabuse somebody of the notion this is not its own topic. Some users dont want the Israeli occupation covered. That is a position that is fine for an individual to hold. It is however not one that is relevant to the goal of building an encyclopedia. nableezy - 17:43, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
- Delete or Userfy . This article is a rather obvious NOT fail. Notably - WP:NOTESSAY - the article is written in essay form as an anti-occupation treatise. Furthermore, as the nominator points out, it is a WP:POVFORK of several articles that pre-exist this article and cover the Israeli military administration in the West Bank (or in all of the occupied Palestinian territories) and which are in a reasonable WP:NPOV state. Creating a new article on a particular subset intersection (occupation & West Bank) of the conflict is not an excuse to place an article that diverges from NPOV in a severe fashion - a POVFORK. Icewhiz (talk) 17:52, 5 February 2019 (UTC)