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With the 2010 Games nearly upon us it would be nice to get some content relating to the Paralympics on to the main page, as we don't yet have any featured articles the best bet will probably be in the form of WP:DYK so please nominate any new (or newly expanded) articles that meet the criteria at Template talk:Did you know. I'm starting off with Great Britain at the 1992 Winter Paralympics which I also hope i'll be able to take to GA status as an example of Category:Nations at the Winter Paralympics based on the full guidelines at WP:OLYMOSNAT. - Basement12 (T.C) 14:52, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Added DYK section to the page, and a link to WP:OLYMOSNAT. Bib (talk) 17:27, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

The article Tofiri Kibuuka (about a Paralympian), which I wrote a while back, has finally been queued for DYK. It should be on the main page fairly soon. Aridd (talk) 19:26, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

I've just created and submitted the article Lango Sinkamba, on Zambia's first Paralympian, who is also president of Zambia's NPC. Aridd (talk) 17:59, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

The DYK section is now updated by a bot. Bib (talk) 15:07, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Should be an independent WikiProject

I feel very strongly that this should be a WikiProject with its own identity separate from the Olympics WikiProject. Having it as a subsection of the Olympics Project only serves to perpetuate the idea that the Paralympics is a "little wellfare event for the poor cripples" tagged onto the tail of the "real" Olympics. To quote the movie MurderBall: "We didn't come for a hug, we came for a fucking gold medal!" Roger (talk) 12:10, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

I see your point but there are too many cross overs in both the Games themselves and the content and style of their articles on Wikipedia to fully seperate the two. If separation was to happen it would most probably result in articles on Paralympic subjects looking very different to those on the Olympics when what we should really be doing is working towards making them as similar as possible so that they don't look like they've been tagged onto the tail of the "real" Olympics - Basement12 (T.C) 12:26, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

I think it would help if we can adjust the look of the template itself. The word Paralympics shouldn't appear for the first time at the bottom like a "footnote". Even if we do need to have it structurally integrated with the Olympics Project - for the good reasons you mention - the template should use the word Paralympics prominently in the large title text. Perhaps talk to the "parent" project to change the main title wording to "Olympics and Paralympics". While we think about this, I'll just go on tagging relevant articles. Roger (talk) 12:41, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Biographies

Do we want biographic articles on all participants or are only medallists notable? Roger (talk) 10:33, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

As far as Olympics are concerned all participants are considered notable, it's the highest level of their sport if amateurs or they qualify anyway if professional, see WP:ATH. I assume Paralympians should also be considered notable under that same guideline. Basement12 (T.C) 12:14, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

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Paralympics infobox

Added 'next' and 'previous' to Template:Paralympics infobox. It adds a link to the previous and next paralympic games in the infobox. (See example). The links are titled for example '2006 Winter' and '2010 Winter' for the Beijing Games. Should they maybe be titled 'IX Winter Games' and 'X Winter Games' instead? Or only the year, '2006' and '2010'? Any comments? Bib (talk) 14:35, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

I think we should seperate the Winter and Summer Games. For example, for the Beijing Games, the links should go to the summer games that occured before and after ('2004 Summer' and '2012 Summer'). Another example is that, for the Vancouver Games, the links should go to '2006 Winter' and '2014 Winter'. I have changed that in the Winter Paralympics articles. The titles are OK as they are. If we use the formal titles (i.e. X Winter Games, etc.) or just the years, it could be confusing to some readers. Another suggestion is that the titles could include the locations instead of just Winter of Summer (i.e. Torino 2006). RG104 (talk) 23:49, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Maybe there could be two sets of previous and next, to the previous winter and summer games, and to the next winter and summer games. Then it could say 'Winter:' and under there < Torino 2006 - Sochi 2014 >, and 'Summer:' < Beijing 2008 - London 2012 > so it includes both winter and summer games. Bib (talk) 00:31, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

I think that the 'Summer:' section should go on top for Summer Paralympics articles and the 'Winter:' section should go on top for the Winter Paralympics articles. For example, on the Beijing Paralympics article, the 'Summer' section should be before the 'Winter' section since they were a Summer Paralympics. Vice versa for the Vancouver Games. Is that possible? RG104 (talk) 00:02, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Good idea. Changed the infobox code and the articles. Bib (talk) 11:32, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Medal tables

For the articles of each Paralympic Games, should we only show the top ten NPCs in the medal tables and include the entire medal table in a seperate article? We could then put a link to the medal table article on the main article. This would solve the problem of repetition of the information. RG104 (talk) 00:57, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Then it would be similar to the Olympic Games articles, where there is a separate article even for the early ones, where there is only 21 medal winning nations. Bib (talk) 18:18, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Your comment left me a little confused. Do we want to shorten the medal tables in the main articles? After reading your comment, my guess would be yes. Just wanted your opinion. Thanks. RG104 (talk) 21:03, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Haha, I can't understand it myself. But yes, I vote yes. Bib (talk) 23:36, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

I noticed that above the shortened medal tables in some of the main articles, it says "The top ten listed NPCs by number of gold medals are listed below." That doesn't really sound right. "Listed" is repeated. I suggest we change it to "The top 10 NPCs by number of gold medals are listed below." I also suggest that the sorting feature in the small medal tables should be removed if it is there since it doesn't really help. The sorting feature should only be included in the medal table articles. RG104 (talk) 00:38, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Sounds good. Bib (talk) 07:21, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Great Britain at the 1992 Winter Paralympics

Having taken the above article to good article reassessment a user is now insistent that the article (and therefore perhaps all/many in Category:Nations at the Winter Paralympics, Category:Nations at the Summer Paralympics, Category:Nations at the Winter Olympics and Category:Nations at the Summer Olympics) is not notable and has repeatedly placed a banner suggetsing merging with 1992 Winter Paralympics or possibly deleting the article. Some input from other members of the project upon the notability of this type of arfticle and what you believe should constitute a GA would be appreciated at Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Great Britain at the 1992 Winter Paralympics/1 - Basement12 (T.C) 11:48, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Our standard policy (I don't know what else to call it) is to create seperate articles for each nation participating at each Paralympics. The Olympic articles also use the same policy. I don't know why this user is insisting that the article above should be merged with the other article. I have also come across one such user who had deleted a medal table article. I had to then recreate the article. We should inform these users of what our standard policy is. RG104 (talk) 20:17, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Separate importance scale

There are some task forces that has a separate importance scale for the task force, than for its wiki project. It keeps the wikiproject's rating, but adds for example: This article is supported by the Paralympics task force (marked as High-importance). (See for example Talk:1939 Claxton Shield). Should this be added to the Paralympics task force too? Bib (talk) 10:51, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

It could be, but is there really a need? To me giving articles an importance rating is a bit arbitrary at the best of times; articles such as Paralympic Games and those on a specific year's Games are high/top (is the top importance rating even used?) but beyond that the distinction gets a bit clouded. I'm willing to be convinced if anyone has some reasons for it though - Basement12 (T.C) 16:00, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Might not be a need. But I wonder, could the ratings on the Paralympic articles be changed to be the same as on the Olympic articles? Quite often the Olympic article get a lower importance rating than the similar Paralympic article. For example the 2006, 2010 and 2014 P & O Games. Bib (talk) 10:21, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Notability guidelines

Just a heads up incase you haven't already seen it on a discussion that began at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Olympics#Sports Notability that I've now taken to Wikipedia talk:Notability (sports)#Olympians. The idea is to get notability for athletes, nation at a Games and event articles included in any new guidelines on sports notability - Basement12 (T.C) 16:03, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Paralympic Games FA collaboration

Thanks to the contributions of several editors I was able to shepherd the Paralympic Games article to GA status. At this point I would like to seek an editor or editors who would be willing to work with me on pushing this article to FA status. It has become evident to me that I am not knowledgeable enough on the subject to really provide the comprehensive coverage the article needs if it is to make a run at FAC. I am seeking an editor or editors who is/are more familiar with the subject matter and who would like to work with me on this article. I think a couple of weeks of concerted effort could get it there. I think it would be very appropriate for the Paralympic Games to be this project's first Featured Article. Anyone willing to help? H1nkles (talk) _{citius altius fortius} 18:36, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Can people who are not "more familiar with the subject matter" help too? Cause then I'm in. Bib (talk) 10:21, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Without question I'd love the help I just can't devote the energy to a full fledge run on it. I want to try and model this article after the Olympic Games article. I'll post some thoughts for improvement on the article's talk page. Any other editors interested in collaborating on this effort please indicate so here. Thanks. H1nkles (talk) _{citius altius fortius} 15:57, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Sighted guides

The sighted guides in some (every?) events with visually impaired athletes get a Paralympic medal (if they are in the top3). See for example this image:

I didn't know this, but the picture is proof. They should definately be included in the results, even though they are not disabled, and even though the Official Vancouver site did not mention the name of the guides in the athletes section. This means the medal tables could or should include a mention of how many guides received medals too. It is probably hard if not impossible to find information on the guides on the earlier games, but for the most recent games the information is available. Bib (talk) 20:34, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Correction: They are included at the official Vancouver site. [1]. Bib (talk) 07:48, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Correction2: The medal tables would not need to be changed, since the visually impaired skier and the guide is a team, it does not change the table. OK, done with the corrections now. Bib (talk) 13:53, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Portal

Please feel free to add or edit whatever you want on Portal:Paralympics. Bib (talk) 08:24, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Help on a featured picture candidate

Added a question about a featured picture candidate, over at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Olympics#Featured picture candidate. Bib (talk) 18:14, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Help wanted with establishing a wikiproject for "Disability"

Please forgive me going a little off-topic here but I don't know where to turn. I have been giving a lot of thought to the idea that Wikipedia really needs a WikiProject Disability. I first raised the issue at Talk:Disability#We_need_a_WikiProject some weeks ago but got only limited response - but all positive. The Category Disability is sorted under the categories Health and Society but as I'm sure all here are aware, the subject of disability is far broader than just medicine or sociology. It includes fields and topics from Politics to Engineering, Architecture to Medicine, Human rights to Sport, and so on. I have no idea about the nuts and bolts of creating a WikiProject hence my appeal for help. Roger (talk) 18:02, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

There are separate categories for wikiprojects, a Disability WikiProject could fit in the category Category:Society WikiProjects.
To look at other WikiProjects and copy from those, is one way to do it. Many Projects have started with only a few lines of text though. If I can help with the wikiproject in any way, I want to. Bib (talk) 20:04, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

How does one go about creating a Project page? I'm ready to do it but don't know how. Roger (talk) 08:23, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

First create the main page at Wikipedia:WikiProject Disability.
Stuff to add to the main page:
~~a welcome message, write your own or copy from somewhere else, for example Welcome to the WikiProject Disability, aiming to organize, expand, clean up, and improve articles related to Disability. If you would like to participate, you can start by joining the project below and/or contribute to the discussion on the talk page.
~~add categories Category:WikiProject Disability and Category:Society WikiProjects
~~you could add a category tree code: <categorytree mode=pages>Disability</categorytree>
~~There is a guide at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Guide/WikiProject for other sections to add.
~~ ~~When you have created a main page, you can create a WikiProject banner at Template:WikiProject Disability. When the banner and its categories has been created, you can add the banner to the talk page of Disability related articles, and then you can add Popular pages, a statistics table and such to your main page. Bib (talk) 22:47, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! I've taken the first step! Wikipedia:WikiProject Disability is no longer a redlink! I'll continue the next steps later - I have to venture out into the meatworld for a while. Please sign up and help us build a great project.Roger (talk) 08:01, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Pageview stats

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Nations; and DYKs

For the past few days, I've been working on doing brief articles for every nation's participation in the Paralympics. Where the country has had very few competitors, I usually include full results. (For example: Benin at the Paralympics.) For others, I provide a brief overview. (For example: Mexico at the Paralympics.) I've finished Africa and the Americas, and I'm working on Asia.
Over recent days, I've also submitted three new articles for DYK: Rhodesia at the 1960 Summer Paralympics; Said Gomez (visually impaired runner, and sole Panamanian Paralympic medallist); and Edward Maalouf (handcyclist, and sole Lebanese Paralympic medallist). If you want to help draw more attention to the Paralympics, such articles are fairly easy to do, using the IPC database. Aridd (talk) 11:03, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Great work, on tons of articles. Bib (talk) 17:38, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, Bib! I've just written Ukraine at the Paralympics (one of the last ones which hadn't been written yet) and submitted it for a DYK. Aridd (talk) 14:20, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

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Swedish wheelchair curler Glenn Ikonen

Does anybody know if Glenn Ikonen received the bronze medal at the 2010 Paralympics wheelchair curling event in Vancouver, even though he had been disqualified? The International Paralympic Committee's results section says he is a bronze medal winner. [2] I wonder if that information is correct? Bib (talk) 15:46, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

template:NPCin1984WinterParalympics

{{NPCin1984WinterParalympics}} was nominated for deletion. 65.94.45.209 (talk) 12:45, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Official Vancouver 2010 site

The Official Vancouver 2010 site has moved all its pages, with all its results, to http://72.35.10.20/paralympic-games/. Bib (talk) 11:01, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Greece at the 2006 Games?

I'm not sure Greece actually competed in 2006, despite the existence of the article Greece at the 2006 Winter Paralympics. I've raised my concerns here. If anyone would like to take a look, if you agree, I would recommend removing all content from the article and transforming it into a redirect to Greece at the Paralympics; and editing Greece's Paralympics infobox accordingly. Aridd (talk) 10:24, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

new article alerts

I've noticed pages like Daniel Adler and Andrew Pozzi are appearing on Wikipedia:WikiProject Olympics/Paralympics/New articles (the real data is here). I think this is because the pattern rules (User:AlexNewArtBot/Paralympic) are matching the empty infobox line "paralympics = " found in these articles. I've tried to fix this by adding a restriction to eliminate "/paralympics *= *$/". John Vandenberg ^(chat) 04:57, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

IPC broken links

165 links to www.paralympic.org/release/Main_Sections_Menu/Sports/Results/paralympics_events.html appear to all be broken. John Vandenberg ^(chat) 09:24, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Argh. 820 links to www.paralympic.org/release/ are all broken. I'm going to start by fixing the 35 to pages under "http://www.paralympic.org/release/Main_Sections_Menu/Paralympic_Games/Past_Games/" John Vandenberg ^(chat) 08:07, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Those 35 are fixed, except for the athlete profiles which appear to have been deleted in their website re-organisation. John Vandenberg ^(chat) 10:22, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

I think many of these can be fixed by a bot, replacing:

http://www.paralympic.org/release/Main_Sections_Menu/Sports/Results/paralympics_results.html
http://www.paralympic.org/release/Main_Sections_Menu/Sports/Results/paralympics_search.html

with these(respective):

http://www.paralympic.org/Sport/Results/results.html
http://www.paralympic.org/Sport/Results/search.html

(Note "Sports" -> "Sport") John Vandenberg ^(chat) 10:28, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

I've created {{IPC profile}} and {{IPC event}}, and converted many of the broken links to use these templates. There are 188 more broken links under Special:LinkSearch/www.paralympic.org/release/Main_Sections_Menu/Sports/Results/. I will create templates for these too, and automatically fix them. Once that is done, there will be about 149 broken links remaining. John Vandenberg ^(chat) 14:21, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

I've also created {{IPC medals}}. There are 48 broken links under Special:LinkSearch/www.paralympic.org/release/Main_Sections_Menu/Sports/Results/, and 180 broken links under Special:LinkSearch/www.paralympic.org/release/. These will need to be fixed by hand. John Vandenberg ^(chat) 06:18, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

2018 Winter Paralympics

I see the 2018 Winter Paralympics article has not yet been updated since before the selection of the host city. It talks of the Durban meeting in the future tense. Roger (talk) 09:29, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Photos of paralympians without an article

Recently there are a lot of new photos added to commons at commons:Category:Images from the Australian Paralympic Committee, where the subjects in the photographs dont have a Wikipedia article. However this problem is not unique to the Australian images. Quickly looking through commons:Category:2008 Summer Paralympics, I see quite a few photographs which dont link to Wikipedia and many dont have an English Wikipedia article yet. John Vandenberg ^(chat) 03:06, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

unidentified photos

The following images have Paralympians who havent been identified:

• File:80_ACPS_Atlanta_1996_Track_Paul_Wiggins.jpg
• File:22 ACPS Atlanta 1996 Cycling Sandra Smith Terri Poole.jpg
• File:25 ACPS Atlanta 1996 Athletics Sharon Rackham and Lisa Llorens.jpg
• File:36 ACPS Atlanta 1996 Track Alison Quinn.jpg

• Fixed Picture number 25 is Tracey Melesko of Canada. Picture 22 is the tandem Kilo. Missing people are Elfriede Ranz (Pilot) and Ursula Egner of Germany and Guylaine Larouche (Pilot) and Julie Cournoyer of Canada. Poole is also called Teresa. Globalwheels (talk) 17:25, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

112 articles in seven days

Excellent work. They are nearly all missing project tags for the country or Paralympics task force. John Vandenberg ^(chat) 20:10, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

I've tagged all of those talk pages. John Vandenberg ^(chat) 10:08, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Australian Wheelchair Basketball Players

About 40 to 50 stub articles were added to Category:Paralympic wheelchair basketball players of Australia. It would be really great if people could help improve these articles, possibly get two or three long enough to get up to Did you know length so they could appear on the main page. :) Most of the articles are about players, men and women, from the 1996, 2000, 2004 and 2008 squads. this link and this linkmay have some sources that could help improve these articles to get them up to DYK length. :) LauraHale 2011-09-09T11:49:49‎

Help getting some Paralympic articles Good Article ready

Hi. I've been working on editing a few articles about Australian Paralympians and the Australian Paralympic movement. These articles are:

• Louise Sauvage
• Priya Cooper
• George Bedbrook
• Frank Ponta

These articles are all in decent shape and are well cited. Two of them have a number of good pictures. It would be really fantastic if some one could come in and help improve these articles to get them up to a place where they could be nominated for Good Article. If anyone is interested in doing that, it would be really appreciated. :) There are very few articles about disabled athletes that have become GAs. :) --LauraHale (talk) 08:14, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Winter images

The Australian Paralympic Committee has uploaded 20+ images of the Winter Paralympics. The images are not well described, as the process of identifying the subjects is time consuming. See commons:Special:ListFiles/Tony.naar. They can upload many more images if they are confident that we're able to identify, catalogue, and use these images. John Vandenberg ^(chat) 05:01, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Yet another IPC website reorganisation

The IPC have reorganised their website *again*. The native search results page uses an iframe, which makes it difficult to find a URL for each individual event and athlete. However the search results page can be used without iframes by using this link. I've updated Template:IPC profile, Template:IPC medals, and Template:IPC event, but I can't figure out how to get Template:IPC event results to work properly. There are many many articles about Paralympians, especially recent ones, which don't contain this template, and will need to be fixed by hand or modified to use the template. Graham87 09:12, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Template issue

A user has pointed out, correctly, that the page Rhodesia at the 1972 Summer Paralympics displays the wrong flag. I've looked into it as best I could. Normally, the Paralympics countries templates automatically adjust the flag based on the year. It works fine for other countries, and it works fine for the "Rhodesia at the Olympics" template, but not for its Paralympics template. I can't see any difference in the coding, so I don't know what's causing the problem, or how it can be fixed. (For reference, here are Rhodesia's flags for different years.) Aridd (talk) 10:57, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

I've fixed it by editing Template:Country flag IOC alias RHO, it was only set up to handle flags through 1964, when Rhodesia last competed in the Olympics. I've extended it through 1972, although I'm not sure the flag for 1968 is correct since the country switched flags part way through those games (the flag changed on Nov 11, the games ran from Nov 4 to Nov 13). — jwillbur 01:10, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! (For 1968, it'll just have to do.) Aridd (talk) 11:32, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Categorising Paralympic competitors by Paralympic class

I made two proposals on WikiProject Disability's talk page about new categories for people with disabilities. I won't implement the second proposal due to comments there, but the first one is directly relevant to this project: it involves the categorisation of Paralympic competitors by their Paralympic class (intellectual disability, vision impairment, wheelchair, etc). What do you think of this idea? Please comment over there to keep discussion in one place. Graham87 01:26, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

I've finally created the category tree at Category:Paralympic competitors by disability category. I also split Category:Blind athletes into Category:Sportspeople with a vision impairment and Category:Paralympic competitors with a vision impairment. Any help filling the new categories out would be appreciated. Graham87 11:30, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Please take a look at, and feel free to contribute to, the draft article on Paralympic classification in my Sandbox. In order to properly assign the correct categories to the athletes articles we need to have a firm grasp of the classification system. I hope this article will help in that respect. Roger (talk) 13:50, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Nice work! We already have articles about some individual classifications in athletics, swimming and wheelchair basketball. When these articles were created, I argued on the HOPAU mailing list that these articles should be merged, with one page for each sport at the very most. Graham87 15:46, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

I looked at Disability sport classification and quite frankly it's not very good. I'm afraid the one-liner quotes from Jane Buckley (whoever that is) describing the different classes is quite poor. The article also includes a whole lot of material that is not relevant to its title. Lists of records and notable competitors belong in (and are already included in many of) the articles about the events or teams, not in the classification system article. I think my draft should replace that article as soon as it's ready. I'm afraid the Aussie-centric orientation of the stub articles about individual classes is not acceptable. The overwhelming reliance on only one source, the article by Jane Buckley, is also a problem. Roger (talk) 16:22, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

The article is a mess because of a merge proposal that suggested all the different classifications across all sports be put into one article. It needs a complete and utter overhaul, with an acknowledgement that individual classification articles are needed and should be linked to. (Actually, it needs a tier system of main article, classification by sport/type, and then specific disability classification articles.) Don't have the time or inclination to fix it myself at the moment. Maybe in late April. : / --LauraHale (talk) 21:00, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

That is your opinion, Laura, not a universally held view. I tend to agree with Roger here, and I think the sandbox version would be an adequate replacement for the disability sport classification article. I think we could have articles about the classification system in various sports (e.g. swimming), but we don't need an article about each classification. There are already good lists of world records (e.g. List of IPC world records in swimming and List of IPC world records in athletics). Graham87 01:56, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Well Graham, that is your opinion that we do not need an article on the specific classifications. At the moment, we have them and they could be greatly improved. I've talked to some people inside the AIS who have academic and IPC related sources that would be really good in bulking up the articles. Beyond the information on what the specifically disability classifications mean, there are things like world records attached to them, which ones compete at which international events, how different federations treat them, who is in charge of establishing the classification inside a specific sport, different times and distances that indicate excellence, etc. The IPC has considered tweaking these again recently, which is going to impact several sports where they are involved with classification. Some of these have an interesting history as it relates to accusations of cheating and inclusion at the games. Individually, they almost all certainly meet notability requirements too. When the Paralympics are on and people here some one one a gold medal in the S12 classification, they will probably Google S12 instead of swimming disability classifications. These articles also get views. See S12, 1 point player, S8, S7 as examples. You're free not to work on them and free to improve the main article. No one is suggesting otherwise. They need a better broad general summary and the main article needs a complete overhaul. --LauraHale (talk) 02:49, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Just to be clear, I'm not denying the sandbox version isn't great and shouldn't be used. I'm referring to the structure for daughter articles. --LauraHale (talk) 02:50, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

The sandbox, with fewer than half the sports' basic text completed so far and without any tables, charts or images, is already over 40KB. It really cannot be a single comprehensive article.

In some cases, such as track and field or cycling, the full detail is long enough to stand as separate articles. Other sports that have fewer classes and/or less complex classification systems would end up as sections in the sport articles. The overall "Paralympic Classification" article would be a summarised version. Basically as we 'go up and down the hierarchy' the articles or sections lose or gain detail. The way I've arranged the sandbox content with varying levels of bulleting makes it fairly easy to change the ammount of detail in each case - for example, in the top article "Paralympic classification", basically only the first level content will be used.

I hope my 'hierarchical system' makes sense. Roger (talk) 05:37, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

I posted a proposal at Category talk:Paralympic competitors by disability category#Consistent terminolgy. Roger (talk) 14:11, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Erroneous credit

I don't know how to change it but the Zhang Liping referenced on the paralympic powerlifting page links to a singer rather than an athelete. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.156.55.46 (talk) 08:52, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing this out. I've fixed it so that all links to the powerlifter Zhang Liping go to the currently nonexistent page Zhang Liping (powerlifter). Graham87 05:26, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Discrimination against Paralympians in notability guidelines

Please see WT:Notability (sports)#Discrimination against Paralympians and participate in the discussion. Roger (talk) 15:56, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

dyk Estonian gold medalists are all women

I've written three stubs about Estonian gold medalists, and it turns out they are all women. See Estonia_at_the_Paralympics. It would be good to bring Marge Kõrkjas to DYK. John Vandenberg ^(chat) 22:58, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Laura did this. Template:Did you know nominations/Marge Kõrkjas ! John Vandenberg ^(chat) 12:09, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

GAN 1962 Commonwealth Paraplegic Games

1962 Commonwealth Paraplegic Games has been nominated for Good Article. In the interest of full disclosure, the primary author must complete a Good Article in order to be eligible to go to the London Paralympics (see outreach:W2G for more details). John Vandenberg ^(chat) 03:57, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Paratriathlon draft in my sandbox.

I have started a draft article for Paratriathlon, please feel free to participate in the article creation process. I particularly need independently sourced material- so far everything is from the ITU and IPC. Roger (talk) 08:08, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

South Africa at the 2012 Summer Paralympics

I have just started the article South Africa at the 2012 Summer Paralympics with yesterday's announcement of the full team. Please help to get the article into shape - I'm not sure if I have the templates and other bells & whistles correct. Roger (talk) 09:09, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

European Paralympian's names in titles

Hi, I realise that there's some opposition to European Latin-alphabet (French, Spanish, Czech) names among some sports fans, but I'd hope that isn't the case with those interested in Paralympics. A request then that Category:Paralympic competitors by sport BLPs such as Jose Pampano be at José Pámpano the same other category:Spanish sportspeople, and so on per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English) "If this happens, follow the conventions of the language in which this entity is most often talked about (German for German politicians," etc. Thanks. In ictu oculi (talk) 04:19, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Olympic/Paralympic WikiCup?

Would anyone be interested in setting up and / or participating in an Olympic/Paralympic WikiCup? Modeled kind of after the Bacon Wiki Cup? Have it run from say a week before the opening ceremony for the Olympics and a week after the Paralympics? I can probably offer two prizes: Some book about the Olympics, a print of an Olympic related commons image, and a Pediapress book.

Points for the following things about the Olympics/Paralympics:

Category	Points
Fully reliably source an article of 100+ words (partially sourced)	2
Adding a relevant picture to an article without one	2
Adding a complete infobox for articles with out them	2
Fully reliably source an article of 500+ words (partially sourced)	5
Fully reliably source an article of 100+ words (completely unsourced)	5
Comprehensive (no quick pass/fail) GA review	5
Create a spoken word version of an article 25+ words	5
Fully reliably source an article of 1,000+ words (partially sourced)	10
Fully reliably source an article of 500+ words (completely unsourced)	10
Create a spoken word version of an article 100+ words	10
Fully reliably source an article of 1,000+ words (completely unsourced)	20
Create a spoken word version of an article 500+ words	20
Create/improve an article for DYK	25
Publish a Wikinews article	25
Get an image or other media to featured on English Wikipedia or Commons	25
Create a spoken word version of an article 1,000+ words	30
Substantially contribute to, nominate, and follow through an article for GA	50
Substantially contribute to, nominate, and follow through an article for FL	50

This way, lots of way for people to participate across different projects. :) --LauraHale (talk) 06:39, 28 June 2012 (UTC)