|Origin||Tacoma, Washington, USA|
|Genres||Metallic hardcore, mathcore|
|Associated acts||Minus the Bear, Roy, These Arms Are Snakes|
|Past members||Brian Cook
Botch was an American metallic hardcore band that formed in 1993 in Tacoma, Washington. The band, featuring Brian Cook, Dave Knudson, Tim Latona and Dave Verellen, spent four years as a garage band and released several demos and EPs before signing to Hydra Head Records. Through the label, Botch released two studio albums: American Nervoso (1998) and We Are the Romans (1999). The group toured extensively and internationally in support of their albums with liked-minded bands such as The Blood Brothers, The Dillinger Escape Plan, Ink & Dagger and Jesuit. Botch struggled to write a third studio album, and in 2002 the group broke up due to tensions among the band members and creative differences. Hydra Head posthumously released an EP of songs the group had been working on before they split titled An Anthology of Dead Ends, and a live album documenting their final show titled 061502 in 2006.
After Botch broke up, most of the members went on to form or join new bands in the Seattle/Tacoma area including: Minus the Bear, Mouth of the Architect, Narrows, Roy, Russian Circles and These Arms Are Snakes. The complex tree of interchanging band members among these newly formed groups has been described as "incestuous."
While Botch received high levels of acclaim from several music publications and was cited as an influence among numerous hardcore bands in the years following their break up, the group was initially cast aside by the local Washington underground hardcore scene. The group spent their active years "poking fun" at the local music scene by avoiding common hardcore clichés. Botch composed complex music later to be known as mathcore opposing the simple "chugga-chugga" riffs, they were unique in terms of presentation, opposing common norms of what was accepted in the underground community. Overall, the band, avoided the common "skull and crossbone" imagery, and wrote lyrics that were abstract and about personal experiences opposing the common political or straight edge lyrics of their peers.
- 1 History
- 2 Aftermath and post-Botch activities
- 3 Influence and legacy
- 4 Musical style and lyrics
- 5 Band members
- 6 Releases
- 7 See also
- 8 References
- 9 External links
Early years (1993–1997)
Bassist Brian Cook, guitarist Dave Knudson, drummer Tim Latona and vocalist Dave Verellen formed Botch in 1993 while they were all still in high school. Tim Latona, who at the time was a jazz drummer considering attending the performing arts school Juilliard, was approached by Dave Knudson in the high school cafeteria and asked if he would like to start a rock band. According to Knudson, "We were probably 16 or 17. I brought my amp over to Tim's house, and we ended up on his back deck playing Helmet covers for a couple of hours." Dave Knudson enticed Brian Cook to join the band by promising that the group would record a Dead Kennedys cover, but this recording never took place. Dave Verellen was the last to join the band, and only became the vocalist because he couldn't play an instrument. The group selected the name Botch simply by "opening a dictionary."
Early songs written by Botch were described by Knudson as, "some of the worst music you've probably heard in your life," which he attributed to each of the members' differing tastes in music and the lack of experience in composing songs. Some of their early song titles included: "Barney the Purple Dinosaur," "Vegetarianism Is Anarchy," "Barbed Rectal Thermometer" and "Pudenda."
After a couple years of playing local shows, Botch went on their first tour outside of the Seattle-area in 1995. Dave Verellen's dad drove the group on a mini-tour through Canada in an old van he owned. John Pettibone, then of Undertow and Nineironspitfire, praised Botch's ability to tour outside of their hometown, commenting: "Botch was the first band from the next generation that went out and pushed it—and pushed it their way. It was remarkable." In early 1997, Botch went on a seven-week tour throughout the United States and Canada with Ink & Dagger and Nineironspitfire, which gained them a significant amount of exposure. According to Brian Cook, "Ink & Dagger were kind of a big deal at that point, so we were playing a lot of club shows. I think we did a show at some theater in Buffalo, New York, with Snapcase and there were, like, a thousand people or something like that." Also in 1997, Excursion Records released The Unifying Themes of Sex, Death and Religion—a nine track compilation album composed of the EPs The John Birch Conspiracy Theory and Faction in their entirety, and "Closure" from the various artists compilation I Can't Live Without It.
Hydra Head Records (1998–2001)
Aaron Turner, formal vocalist for the post-metal band Isis and founder of the record label Hydra Head Records, was following Botch's early career. He praised the group's interpretation of Carl Orff's classical piece "O Fortuna" off of The John Birch Conspiracy Theory EP, describing it as "amazing" and also saying that, "anytime I made a mix tape for someone else, I'd put ['O Fortuna'] on there." Turner contacted Botch and asked them to contribute a song to Hydra Head's In These Black Days—a compilation album of Black Sabbath cover songs released as a series of split singles. Botch recorded a cover of "The Wizard" from Black Sabbath's 1970 album Paranoid, and also sent Turner a demo album they had been working on at the time. About the demo, Aaron Turner said, "I can't remember if I had solicited it or if they just sent it to me. In any event, it was more than I was expecting from them even though I already thought they were good. I think I gave them about six or seven grand to do the record, which was probably more than I had given any other band that we had worked with at that point."
The demos were re-recorded with Matt Bayles at Pearl Jam guitarist Stone Gossard's own Studio Litho. After three days of recording and two days of mixing, the completed songs became Botch's debut studio album American Nervoso, released in 1998 through Hydra Head Records. In support of American Nervoso, Botch headlined a North American tour with The Dillinger Escape Plan and Jesuit. Beginning with this tour, John Pettibone was hired as the group's manager, and it also was Botch's first time bringing their own lighting equipment with them. Their stage setup included several halogen work lamps plugged into a power strip with a switch. Commenting on the lights, Dave Verellen said, "I hated the lights at clubs, which were always on the band, so we figured we'd turn them on the audience. [...] I liked it because I could see people's reaction in the crowd because their faces were totally illuminated." Also during this tour, Botch played music from the girl group Destiny's Child before they went on stage, which was intentionally drastically different from the more traditional "metal music [being played] in between the metal bands." Botch were also rumored to be recording a Destiny's Child covers EP—however, this release never materialized.
We Are the Romans
In 1999, Botch recorded some live demos with Matt Bayles for their second studio album and follow up to American Nervoso. Two months later, Botch returned to Litho Studios with Bayles to record what would become We Are the Romans. The group only had approximately one week to track the album, and according to Knudson, the group "[rushed] to get everything done and do it as well as we wanted to." As a last minute addition to the album, Botch rewrote and rerecorded the song "Frequenting Mass Transit"—originally released on a split release with Murder City Devils—and changed the title to "Frequency Ass Bandit". We Are the Romans was released in November 1999 through Hydra Head Records on both CD and double LP vinyl formats. The title of the album was derived from the lyrics to the album's closing track "Man the Ramparts". According to Verellen: "Brian [Cook] thought it'd make a great title, but I thought it was a totally silly gladiator song. The riff is kinda huge, so I was thinking about chariots and fire and stuff like that. It sounds like I pulled the words out of Conan the Barbarian. But then we started talking about the social decline of Western civilization, and how Americans are the new Romans—it's all slaves and Caesars. So we made it work."
Botch's first show in support of We Are the Romans was the final show for the Seattle venue Rkcndy with The Blood Brothers, Playing Enemy and Kill Sadie in October 1999. The club was an all-ages venue that was being demolished to make way for a hotel. Verellen expressed his admiration for playing all-ages shows stating that, "People go to all-ages shows to see the bands, but people will go to bars... and while they're at the show, they're just hanging out with their friends. That doesn't mean all bar shows are like that, but that's what makes me not want to play bars, basically." In 2000, Botch toured Europe with The Dillinger Escape Plan, and also went on a smaller North American tour later that year. In 2001, Botch performed at Louisville, Kentucky's hardcore festival Krazy Fest 4 which also featured Coalesce, Converge, Poison the Well and Harkonen among others.
Botch officially decided to break up the band in February 2002. Tensions between Tim Latona and Dave Knudson that originated from the We Are the Romans sessions and supporting tours built up to the point where members weren't communicating anymore. According to Dave Verellen, "it was the best idea for us just to break up while we were on top of things, rather than torture ourselves and keep chipping away till we hated each other." Botch also struggled to write a third studio album citing pressures to write a follow up to their critically acclaimed We Are the Romans and suffering from "crazy writer's block." Knudson had also begun writing softer-sounding songs that didn't fit Botch's style, and formed the side-project Minus the Bear in 2001. Botch performed their final show on June 15, 2002 at The Showbox in downtown Seattle, Washington with The Blood Brothers, Harkonen and Playing Enemy.
When asked about the possibility of a reunion in a 2002 interview with the band, Dave Verellen said, "I'd be first in line to keep this goddamn band together." However, in the same interview, Knudson said, "I could totally see doing anything with any of those people that's not Botch but something else that's creative and fun... and maybe more aggressive." In a 2009 interview with Brian Cook, he revealed that Botch get asked to play reunion shows "on a regular basis." After Botch disbanded, Cook maintained that he would never reunite the band, but in a 2014 interview, he revealed that the other members of Botch felt like the band ended too early and that they had been urging him to stop saying the word "never" in regards to a possible reunion.
Aftermath and post-Botch activities
Posthumous releases and reissues
Before disbanding, Botch recorded a six-song EP titled An Anthology of Dead Ends—a small collection of songs Botch had written before breaking up. The EP was recorded in March 2002, an event which was described by producer Matt Bayles as being "incredibly tense." On the album's content, Verellen said: "Two of the tracks are things we did live that we just wanted to record" and one of the songs was "just a riff we never got a song written for, but it was just such a good riff." Hydra Head Records released An Anthology of Dead Ends on October 15, 2002; about four months after Botch played their final show. Also in 2002, Excursion Records reissued The Unifying Themes Of Sex, Death, And Religion under the name Unifying Themes Redux with seven additional tracks from Botch's split albums and compilation contributions.
In July 2006, Hydra Head announced they would release four Botch albums over the next year. The label first reissued the compilation album Unifying Themes Redux on September 26, 2006. A live two-disc set titled 061502 was released on December 5, 2006. The CD/DVD package features a live recording of Botch's final performance from June 15, 2002 at The Showbox. A remastered version of American Nervoso was released on July 7, 2007. This updated version was also packaged with various bonus features, including demos and extended versions of some tracks. For example, parts of the song "Hives" that were accidentally removed on the original recording were added back. And finally, Hydra Head Records released a two-disc remastered version of We Are the Romans on September 11, 2007. The second disc featured demo versions of We Are the Romans tracks and four live songs.
In September 2011, Hydra Head announced that they discovered approximately 450 vinyl record jackets for We Are the Romans in their storage space, and would repress the record using the album's original plates. After the records sold out in less than 20 minutes, the label stated they would make Botch reissues a "priority for 2012." For Record Store Day in 2012, Hydra Head reissued An Anthology of Dead Ends on vinyl. To commemorate the 10-year anniversary of Botch's final show, Hydra Head released a limited edition windbreaker that was only available for 24 hours on June 15, 2012.
After Botch broke up, three of the four members continued to compose and perform music with new bands—drummer Tim Latona instead chose to continue his education. The complex tree of interchanging band members among these newly formed groups has been described as "incestuous."
Knudson continued performing with the math rock/indie rock band Minus the Bear with vocalist Jake Snider formerly of Sharks Keep Moving, drummer Erin Tate formerly of Kill Sadie, former Botch producer Matt Bayles on keys, and bassist Cory Murchy. Minus the Bear quickly signed to Suicide Squeeze Records and released two EPs, This Is What I Know About Being Gigantic and Bands Like It When You Yell "Yar!" at Them, before releasing their debut full-length Highly Refined Pirates in November 2002. The group released two more albums through Suicide Squeeze, Menos el Oso (2005) and Planet of Ice (2007), before signing to Dangerbird Records and releasing Omni (2010) and Infinity Overhead (2012).
The post-hardcore group These Arms Are Snakes was formed in 2002 by Brian Cook, Steve Snere formerly of Kill Sadie, Ryan Frederiksen of formerly of Nineironspitfire, Joe Preston and Jesse Robertson. The group signed to Jade Tree Records and released the EP This Is Meant to Hurt You (2003) and their debut full-length Oxeneers or the Lion Sleeps When Its Antelope Go Home (2004). These Arms Are Snakes went through a few lineup changes, one of which included Erin Tate of Minus the Bear and Kill Sadie, before solidifying their lineup with Chris Common on drums. With this formation, they released two more albums, Easter (2006) and Tail Swallower and Dove (2008)—the later of which was released on Suicide Squeeze Records—before disbanding in 2009.
Aside from working as a firefighter, Dave Verellen also formed the folk rock band Roy in 2002 with Brian Cook, Ben Verellen of Harkonen and Mike Cooper. The group released the EP Tacomatose (2003) and the full-length Big City Sin and Small Town Redemption (2004) before going on hiatus. During the break, Cook and Ben Verellen worked on These Arms Are Snakes' debut album Oxeneers or the Lion Sleeps When Its Antelope Go Home. Roy briefly reformed and released Killed John Train in 2006.
Brian Cook also joined the instrumental post-rock group Russian Circles in 2007, replacing former member Colin DeKuiper. Cook contributed to Russian Circles' second and third studio albums Station (2008) and Geneva (2009); both of which were released through Suicide Squeeze Records. The group then signed to Sargent House and released Empros (2011) and Memorial (2013). As of 2014, Brian is a part of Sumac (band), as a touring bassist with Aaron Turner and Nick Yacyshyn. They have released their debut album The Deal in February 2015.
In 2008, vocalist Dave Verellen formed the mathcore band Narrows with Rob Moran of Unbroken and Some Girls, Sam Stothers of Makeout Boys, Jodie Cox of Bullet Union, and Ryan Frederiksen of These Arms Are Snakes and Nineironspitfire. Narrows signed to Deathwish Inc. and subsequently released a self-titled EP (2008) and two full-lengths: New Distances (2009) and Painted (2012).
Influence and legacy
Botch's music was a major early influence on the mathcore and metalcore styles, and their final album We Are the Romans is specifically cited as a highly influential album. Decibel and Rock Sound both inducted the album into their publication's "Hall of Fame" features in November 2005 and August 2011 respectively. Rock Sound also declared We Are the Romans as one of the "big four" math metal albums in May 2008, and featured Botch in the publication's "Revolutionaries" column, which pays tribute to "the bands we just couldn't live without" in November 2006. In August 2005, Alternative Press listed We Are the Romans as a classic "other punk album"—or an album that was influential, but not commercially successful. In October 2009, Botch was featured in AbsolutePunk's "Weekly Nostalgia" piece, which pay's tribute to disbanded musical groups. In November 2009, Jason Heller listed We Are the Romans as one of the albums that didn't make The A.V. Club's top 50 albums of previous decade list, but was still an important album of this period. In 2012, Rock Sound added Botch's We Are the Romans into its "101 Modern Classics," ranking at number 35.
Botch's music is said to have had an influence on numerous bands, including: Architects, Between the Buried and Me, The Bled, The Blood Brothers, Breather Resist, Bring Me the Horizon, The Chariot, Curl Up and Die, Every Time I Die, The Fall of Troy, Fear Before the March of Flames, Johnny Truant, Norma Jean, Owl City, Underoath, and The Used. In January 2009, members of the Washington bands Kane Hodder and Schoolyard Heroes formed a tribute band and performed Botch songs at a local venue in a one-off performance.
Despite Botch's level of acclaim after their demise, the group was initially poorly received by the local Washington hardcore scene. For the majority of their existence, "the band found themselves shunned by cliques and crews." Latona described the negative reaction as "disheartening," and that Botch thought the group, "had something cool to share with people, and they were total assholes to us." In the late 1990s, the group's complex music wasn't seen as very accessible, and their constant "poking fun at the scene" wasn't warmly received by their peers. In addition to playing complex music, Botch actively avoided common hardcore stereotypes. Before walking on stage, Botch warmed up the crowd with pop music instead of heavier music. Botch sold a t-shirt that featured two shirtless homosexual males sitting close on a couch with the words "Botch: The Best Boy Band Ever" written directly below. Cook designed the shirt by tracing an image out of a homosexual pornographic magazine and "drew a beer bottle over the cock," which was meant to be a "rebellion against all the typical skull and switchblade imagary" that is prevalent in the hardcore scene. Botch wrote songs such as "C. Thomas Howell as the 'Soul Man'" which openly mocked straight-edge bands like Racetraitor and other bands with "lofty political ideals." Botch also cited living in Tacoma, Washington and being isolated from Seattle as another reason for not being accepted into any regional music scenes. In a 2011 interview with Rock Sound, Dave Verellen said "A lot of Seattle didn't like us, so we just did what we did," and that when We Are the Romans was released, "people were like, 'Yeah, it's good...' but like anything in that genre at the time it was a slow-starter because it wasn't exactly palatable. Hydra Head was stoked on it and, slowly, we started to get more press and play bigger shows. But even this week I've talked to more people about that record than I have since it came out."
The members of Botch have mixed feelings about their posthumous acclaim. In regards to what fans are willing to pay for out-of-print merchandise on eBay, Latona said "I don't mean to sound like a dick, but it's like, 'Where were you in 2001?'" but also continued by saying "On the other hand, it's flattering to hear that people even give a shit about what we did, because I fucking loved what we did." Knudson also said the continued interest in Botch was "flattering," but that "It would have been great if there were a ton of people at our shows in 98, but that's now how it goes." The members of Botch aren't impressed with many of the bands who they inspired, often describing these new acts as ripping them off. Knudson admitted to ripping off Soundgarden and Sepultura while writing for Botch, but said that playing the songs that you love is part of progressing as a musician, and that "Sometimes you can make [copying another band] into your own thing and then own it—which is how I feel we did it." Cook said being ripped off really bummed him out, and that:
|“||Imitation is the highest form of flattery, I guess. And it's cool that people got something out of Botch. But one of the big parts of appreciating music is understanding the context in which that music exists. And I guess that's how I feel about these bands on Warped Tour that sound like Botch but don't really have anything in common with Botch. They don't have the same ideas about music and what music should do. They're just selling T-shirts.||”|
Musical style and lyrics
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Botch's musical genre is typically described as noisecore or metallic hardcore. The group's technically and complexly composed music, along with their use of odd time signatures, often garners them the label of mathcore or math rock.
Inspired by bands like Helmet and Alice in Chains, when Botch formed they started playing in drop D tuning. According to Brian Cook, in this tuning, "you could play a power chord with one finger. Right away I was like, 'Fuck.' I was 16 and barely knew how to play the instrument, and all of a sudden it was tuned differently than what I was used to." Early demos were described as sounding like "chuggachugga straight-edge hardcore-style stuff." While Botch was still searching for its own identity, the members contemplated becoming a straight edge band for a period of time. All of the members admired the Seattle straight edge group Undertow—one of the biggest names in the Seattle hardcore scene at the time. On the group's feelings toward straight edge, Cook said:
|“||At first, we thought straight edge was cool because we didn't like drunken frat boys. We thought about it in terms of Ebullition Records, but when the youth-crew stuff started becoming more popular and bands like Earth Crisis started taking over the straight-edge scene, we thought, 'Ugh, these are the frat boys.' Other bands we know might drink, but at least they were fun to hang out with.||”|
Knudson's guitar playing was influenced by the "crazy and angular" bands Angel Hair and Drive Like Jehu—the latter of which was seen as an early influence on mathcore—and the heavier bands Sepultura, Soundgarden and Meshuggah.
- Matt Bayles – engineer for all Hydra Head Records releases, the Murder City Devils split single and select tracks on Unifying Themes Redux
- John Pettibone – band manager, light technician, backing vocals
- Ben Verellen – light technician, backing vocals, and brother of Dave Verellen
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Year Contributed song Compilation Label 1995 "Circle 11" Psycho Civilized Elevator Music 1996 "Closure" I Just Can't Live Without It Mountain Records 1997 "End of Discussion" Brewing Excursion Records 1997 "Rock Lobster" (originally by The B-52s) All About Friends Point Furthest from the Middle 1999 "The Wizard" (originally by Black Sabbath) In These Black Days Hydra Head Records
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