Category talk:British inventors
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This category seems to be messed up. All English inventors should be listed as British inventors as well: Engish inv is a subset of Brit inv., right? But that doesn't happen. For example, Jethro Tull is marked as an English inventor, but doesn't appear here, under Brit inventors. I don't see how to fix this. DonSiano 15:39, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
Great Britain is made up of the following "countries", England, Scotland, Ireland and Wales. Therefore, A person from Scotland is called a "Scotsman". A person from Ireland is called an "Irishman". Therefore a person from England is called an "Englishman", therefore "English". "British", is a group name for all the above Countries, but natives of their respective countries like to call themselves after their own country. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 05:30, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
No, no, no, no and finally no!
Great Britain is an island. It is made up of only three countries: Scotland, England and Wales. Ireland is an island which is part of the British Isles, but NOT part of Great Britain. Ireland has two countries in it: Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland. The Country you're confusing GB with is actually the United Kingdom. The United Kingdom includes England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales, but NOT the Republic of Ireland.
Not everyone in Ireland likes to be called "Irish" because of their political outlook, and because of the intimation that "Irish" pertains only to the Republic of Ireland. However, "Northern Irish" is often an acceptable, moderate and non-sectarian adjective that is used to describe people from Northern Ireland across the politico-religious divide.
I have noticed a weird inconsistency in Wikipedia. All the subcategories use the familiar and grammatically correct -ish ending throughout the different regions of the UK. This is pretty consistent throughout other countries as well. One highly visible and notable exception seems to be with Northern Irish people, places and things. I have no idea why the Northern Irish should treated any differently in Wikipedia! Under this category, for example, I've noticed:
"English inventors" "Scottish inventors" "Welsh inventors" BUT... "Inventors from Northern Ireland"!!!
Surely "Northern Irish inventors" would be more consistent?! And it would remove the extraneous and unnecessary "from" etc. Alternatively, perhaps the following category style, used consistently throughout the encyclopaedia, would be better:
"Inventors from England" "Inventors from Northern Ireland" "Inventors from Scotland" "Inventors from Wales"
Finally, and again noticing an inconsistency in the structure of the categories, there are listed here British inventors, Irish inventors, Scottish inventors, Welsh inventors and the (rather oddly highlighted and unwieldly) Inventors from Northern Ireland. But the category English inventors is missing from the page! I think the English are British too!
It shouldn't be too hard to sort out: all English, Welsh, Northern Irish, and Welsh inventors fit into the British category, the Northern Irish also fitting into the Irish category. So there is no need for any of those to be listed in this particular 'super-category'. Of course, British inventors with uncertain regional derivation, or derivation from more than one region of the Isles should probably be listed here in the main super-cat. --126.96.36.199 (talk) 19:59, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
OK so I've removed these inventor cats (Scottish, Northern Irishland(!) and Welsh) from the Inventors by nationality cat. It makes for a more logical structure. Now can anyone fix the whole X-ers from Y to Y-ish X-ers with regard to the Northern Irish? lol --188.8.131.52 (talk) 20:07, 16 February 2014 (UTC)