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Base Léonore[edit]

I updated the module’s sandbox[1] with my proposal to link to English Wikipedia’s new Base Léonore article instead of its French‑language counterpart. I also updated the URI protocol in the corresponding link to the Ministère de la culture’s website: https:http: until they repair their certificate. —LLarson (said & done) 04:06, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

Looks good. Synced. — Andy W. (talk ·ctb) 04:31, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

Add INSPIRE-HEP?[edit]

Sandbox edit: Can we include "INSPIRE-HEP" from INSPIRE-HEP author ID (P2930)? It's a major database for high energy physics, and provides author profiles for physicists, especially in the particle physics field. The formatter url is https://inspirehep.net/author/profile/$1 . Example: https://inspirehep.net/author/profile/Fabiola.Gianotti.1Danmichaelo (talk) 22:12, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

@Danmichaelo: The entries currently existing are typically national libraries/catalogs. Most are very broad in scope, except for a few, like MGP or Author citation (botany) perhaps. INSPIRE-HEP looks useful for articles specifically in the field. I see you've been busy at Wikidata with INSPIRE-HEP updates already. I'm concerned that this addition doesn't have consensus as of right now. I looked at some Authority controls in other language Wikis, and couldn't find INSPIRE-HEP though. Are you intending to roll this out elsewhere as well? Are there guidelines on catalog scope for this, or the degree to which this is standardized? I'm just unsure whether its scope warrants the addition. Don't get me wrong though, I do see there are remarkable organizations behind this library. — Andy W. (talk ·ctb) 15:20, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
@Andy M. Wang: No problem, my work on adding it to Wikidata has been done without having this template in my mind, so it's not a big issue for me if it's not added. There's perhaps efficiency issues with having too many Wikidata lookups? While INSPIRE-HEP is a well curated database, the scope is really quite limited, I only expect to be able to match it to a few hundred persons with articles on Wikipedia. – Danmichaelo (talk) 22:39, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

Johannes Gehrts "containsVIAFID/5684137"[edit]

At Johannes Gehrts#External links this template generates WorldCat link to


where VIAF: 5684137 is correct for Gehrts, but that auto-generated URL yields "404: Document not found" rather than a working route to his page at WorldCat


where LCCN n79007641 is correct for him.

The VIAF and LCCN id and Wikipedia links are correctly entered at Wikidata d:Q6216686.

What's up? --P64 (talk) 19:03, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

P64, The module accesses WorldCat by way of the VIAF number. On wikidata Johannes Gehrts is linked to VIAF 5684137, on WorldCat Joh Gehrts is linked to VIAF 74976743. There doesn't even seem to be enough info to determine whether they're actually the same person. for (;;) (talk) 20:07, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
VIAF: 74976743? How do you know?
http://www.worldcat.org/identities/np-gehrts,%20johannes/, which I considered adding to the biography footer, evidently redirects via VIAF: 95844706 (which i missed last hour).
https://www.worldcat.org/identities/viaf-74976743 (not found)
https://www.worldcat.org/identities/viaf-95844706 (yes, here we go)
The latter bundle includes ULAN (Getty) that has been entered at Wikidata, and the ULAN full record does specify LOC ID: n79007641
VIAF 5684137 and 95844706 need merge but that is beside the point, right? --P64 (talk) 20:33, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
How do I know? I clicked on the link you provided,
I scrolled to the bottom of the page, and I clicked on the link labelled "Virtual International Authority File". for (;;) (talk) 20:51, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

"WorldCat identities": more link failures[edit]

Same as the preceding section, the revised version of this template generates bad links to WorldCat by relying on Wikidata VIAF id rather than LCCN.

Justin Huntly McCarthy


E. Nesbit


--P64 (talk) 20:36, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

Actually WorldCat identities is not a real identifier. The database uses LCAuth and merges authors and works by rule of thumb. I've tried to correct two or three authors by mail and gave up, since with every correction more errors occurred. --Kolja21 (talk) 21:53, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
P64,Kolja21, since this seems to be a data driven issue you might get more help from this discussion. The links on that page include a link to a report on items with >1 VIAF number. for (;;) (talk) 15:34, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

The problem is not entirely "data-driven". Previously this template generated WorldCat links from LCCN. That version would, presumably did, generate working links for both McCarthy and Nesbit, because n88654900 and n85097242 are both [a] incorporated in good URL for McCarthy and Nesbit (displayed above) and [b] the unique or preferred of first-listed LCCN wikidata has on file for them.

Has anyone assessed coverage by the new version of the template and compared it with coverage by the old version? Can anyone characterize the class of people for whom the new version decisively provided adequate WorldCat links?

Some have argued that this template has made {{worldcat id}} redundant. Three years ago EN.wiki, mainly biography pages, showed 52,000 uses of the latter. One year ago there were only 4,417 uses of {worldcat id}.
--So reported by me (P64) and Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing), with explanation in reply by User:Green Cardamom of recently stripping 10,000 instances in favor of this template. See Template talk:Worldcat id#Current use in articles, with all contributions during the time when this template generated WorldCat links from LCCN. --P64 (talk) 19:12, 18 July 2016 (UTC)